AMBUSH on FERRIX | After Action Report
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- The Ferrix Operation carried out by the Preox Morlana Tactical Enforcement unit was a Disaster. We take a in depth look at the operation from the corpo's point of view and analyze what exactly Deputy Inspector Syril Karn and Sergeant Linus Mosk were thinking... and why they failed so spectacularly.
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Imagine if you were a cop called to deal with a local homicide suspect only to end up having to fight that suspect as well as what is essentially a domestic terrorist who has access to a lot of high explosives
Plus the whole population barricades themselves indoors, making room for open combat in the streets
Was going to make the same point. The Pre-Mor enforcement team was more than up to the task that they were assigned. Yes, they went in without backup. But that's why East and West teams were split off; they brought their own backup with them. Bringing the landing pods into the city risked alerting their suspect of their approach, and most of those streets look too small to land one in anyways. If Luthen isn't there with his prodigious amount of explosives, the Pre-Mor team would probably have been able to carry out their mission. Their biggest mistake IMO is when that one officer shoots Timm, the action of one panicked officer that sadly has parallels to shootings that happen in modern-day policing.
Exactly. They were only after one guy who was responsible for the murder of two Corporate Police Officers. If they knew a terrorist was involved they would have proceeded with more caution, with more experienced Corporate Police Officers or contact the Empire and ask for Imperial Troops assistance.
Wasn't that essentially the plot of Predator 2? 🤣
Sounds like a normal patrol in Iraq 2007 🤘
You can really see how different of a show this is - from the action, realistic reactions of death and general atmosphere of the situation and people.
I loved how even in the “action” episode, there was care to have those details so that we still had character development even of the characters who wouldn’t be on screen very long. The corpo who killed Timm was way over his head and overreacting. But after he saw what he did, you could see he didn’t revel in the death. So when his ship crashed, *his* death meant something, too. I don’t have any experience with anything like this but this depiction of the unraveling of this situation paints a picture not of an evil police unit, but unprepared, scared men sent on a doomed mission. While I am not on their side (and the show doesn’t make them martyrs), I can understand their situation and decisions.
Not to mention that they said "shit" and "ass". You wouldn't expect those words to be uttered in Star Wars, especially in Disney Star Wars.
@@frankg2790 If I remember well, Luke says "shit" in the Empire strike back when he meets Yoda (at least in the french version). Ah yeah, in english he says "you're making a mess", in french he says "you are spreading shit fucking everywhere" :D
I mean this in the best possible way-this doesn't feel like Star Wars. No freaking Space Wizards, no mysticism, no cavalry coming to get you. Just desperate people trying to hold onto the last gasp of their freedoms and bureaucrats (in and out of uniform) doing their jobs.
Cor Sec? Those bad cops were not Cor Sec. They were Preox Morlana Corporate security.
When you cut to the storm troopers attacking Obi-Wan Kenobi, I almost went into shock at the contrast between the tactical realism
There’s a famous tale in TTRPG Star Wars, where an elderly couple joined a table at a product launch (I think it was at a Planet Hollywood). Once they had the concepts explained to them, they grasped it as like World War 2, in which they had both fought as partisans. The old man took command of the table of teens playing rebels and ran the raid using proper tactics and techniques and aced the scenario.
“Tactical blueberry” is probably my favorite nickname of any character.
Sorry for the delayed release... had to re-edit and upload this like 20 times before it cleared the copyright ai
Welp at least not 21st time lol.
@@pyeitme508 true true
I love you, Allen.
@@GenerationTech Yep lol!
What was being copyrighted? The footage?
It should be noted that the senior inspector didn't want the CorSec Officers deaths for two reasons
1 ) he wanted to look good before the Imperial Security Officers and Commanders to prevent Imperial Occupation
2 ) both officers were at a location they weren't supposed to be at and there were reports that the two officers were corrupt.
Corrupt, and bigoted.
I loved Chief Inspector Hyne's (Yohn Royce GOT) assessment of the situation.
He knew the reputation of the officers killed, knew it wasn't worth the trouble.
The chief inspector chose to "brush it under the rug" because he knew the guys involved and knew what happened. They were outside a "place of ill-repute", apparently one they shouldn't have been at anyway. He wasn't wrong in that.
Andor's reaction after the 1st security guard was confirmed dead-killing the remaining one-really reminded me of the opening heist scene in Heat. In that film the professionals in DeNiro's crew killed the remaining armored car employees after the reckless guy turned the heist into a murder case-at that point it's best not to leave any witnesses.
When I expected Andor to have a realistic reaction to this predicament and he actually did I was sold on this show.
I love this breakdown and it really shows how good of writing Andor is.
The Corpos did things wrong, but they did things wrong correctly. They messed up because they were unskilled, not stupid. Every move the corpos made would've worked had it been a random felon and not a competent terrorist.
I take issue with using the word terrorists. These ppl are resisting a facist totalitarian empire that uses a constant police state, slave labor, violence and military might to oppress a galaxy. Who's side are you on? Andor and Luthen are revolutionaries cut from the same cloth as those that rebelled against British rule in this continent. I would hope however that they would not enslave or commit genocide with their new found freedom.
The biggest mistake was going in blind, surveillance before a raid is basic & crucial regardless if its police SWAT or military SOF
I think seril didn't do surveillance is because he was ignoring a direct order from his commanding officer and wanted to be finished before he came back from his meeting.
@@ryanb9749 Also he's way in over his head, and way too excited to do this
They weren't SWAT
The SWAT probly ne issued by commanding officer
Who was not informed
Ceril get took what he can get with his rank and rushed
Yes, as GenTech noted they needed a few TacPods in the air.
Karn seems extremely incompetent in doing his job. Got the nose of a bloodhound for Andor but can’t be trusted to lead or plan.
The most interesting thing about all of this to me is the perspective that older and younger people take to the entire thing. I'm an older person. As it was playing out in the very first episode, I got the biggest kick out of Keystone Cop, Karns. He was up all night zealously investigating the incident and preparing a report. He was exactly like a rookie to me. The more seasoned, and experienced officer, Chief Hyne, read Karn's report, and Karn's interpretation of events, and made a very deadly accurate estimate of what must have really happened. A very IMPRESSIVE estimation, despite whatever it was he read! And Hune gave a very good, and very generous, direction to Karn: give the crooked cops a meaningful death, but nothing fancy, in the report, one better than what the crooked cops deserved, but will be good for the famil6 and the department; then let the case go. It was the best direction that could have been given. And Hyne actually made a very good estimation of Karn by his uniform modifications. 'Don't have your feet on my desk when I get back.' At that moment, I already knew how tye young, ambitious, short-sighted rookie would play things out. Everything, his focus, and short-sighted thinking, his ambition lead him down the very expected road hebwalked. He paid too much attention to his feet without ever looking up to see where he was going.
It seems like every young person watching the show don't understand the wisdom of Chief Hyne. A psychological paper can be written about the show and it's viewers, it seems. Sgt Linus, as messed up as he was in all this, acted upon the information he had, and he was actually pretty wise in his own, based on what he knew. 12 or 14 wasn't overkill at all. If anything, he should have taken more, based on what information Keystone Cop, Karns, gave him. It is believed that one man killed 2 officers, with the possibility that more than one person was involved. I would have taken more officers, but I'm not mad at Chief Linus for the 12. But NONE OF IT should have happened. Karns should have done exactly what Sgt Hyne advised him to do. It's the perspective of the older and younger viewers of the show that's the most interesting. A nice paper can be written on this phenomenon.
That’s fair, but I’d argue Hyne wasn’t some master strategist making choices to keep both Ferrix and his subordinates safe
Rather, his dialogue shows he’s just trying to keep (2) corpo-enforcer deaths from revealing a pattern of malfeasance: ‘they were in brothel…the expensive one, which we’re not supposed to have and they’re not supposed to be able to afford’… this says a lot about the pre-mor sec department; if they are getting service at the brothel they should not be able to afford, that means they are either shaking down any Morlanans they want to for cash just as they tried w/ Cassian AND/OR they are extorting the brothels
The fact that Hyne knows what these (2) were up to well beyond Karn’s report suggests he knows this kind of fuggery is common for the enforcers, the report of which would endanger his whole department even if they detain the suspect incident free
@@hellfish2309 that's a good point. If they had managed to pick up Cassian without incident, he'd proceed to tell Karn what happened, which would probably blow Karn's mind since it would be pretty much literally what the Chief had told him. But then it would be official, in a documented report, and a higher authority might come down on them.
Shit, now I want Karn to catch up to Cassian so he can reveal that to him, and we can see what the character does with that info.
@@RauchenWir I pretty sure Karn will hang on to his vendetta well into some other career 😉
Chief Inspector Hyne is a small town sheriff, he lives here, he knows his people and some times turning a blind eye to small stuff and acting when needed. A presence to keep the peace, because he saw the Mayor’s eyeing his town for the new Bigbox store, losing family businesses, making things worse for the populous. That’s just my interpretation of this character.
The chief inspector was smart, but negligent and corrupt in his duty. Professional police do not ignore or cover up murders, even if the murdered people were probably criminals themselves. Karn did the morally correct thing to push forward in investigating the crime, he just lacked field experience. He is very much Lt. Gorman from ALIENS. The whole thing mostly boils down to tragic happenstance. Most of these people are not bad people, they are gray, just like real people. Not even dark gray. More than anything, it is the situation, the collection of circumstances, that leads to tragedy.
Can we appreciate the level of writing just by using a military term such as AAR (After Action Report).
Finally writers who did their homework, and writers who don't treat the audience as stupid.
Ya they even used terms like CASEVAC after the explosion that tickles my inner Airman lol.
Semper, about time they did lol
@@rc59191 Oh and Luthern asks his assistant about Bugout Bags. Lol. So Epic.
The lingo they used in this scene was great. I actually don't hate the fact that the guy said "we need 12". 12 is a fine number to corner a suspect or target or set up an interdiction of some sort.
@@hypeflexington7081 Green Berets also operate in 12 man Alpha Teams.
I think the reason they detained Bix is because she was running in their direction, but then immediately turned around upon seeing them, which could be considered a bit suspicious. Still isn’t a great reason, but I’m guess that’s what their reasoning was.
Nah they had a description of her on the tablet and I'd bet money that her friend gave her up after being tortured.
@@andremiddleton4944 Actually it was Bix's Boyfriend who reported Cassian and only Cassian. He reported him out of jealousy after he heard Cassian was probably the "Kenari Male" they were looking for. Tim (the boyfriend and also the guy who got shot) simply sent a notice to the Corps, he wasnt tortured. Bix was detained because the squad lead thought she looked scared but he figured off of her body language that she wasnt running home. It's a bit bullshit but he did have it right.
@@RoyalPurpleSPower I beg to differ but they called out her name. They also referenced that she bore a resemblance to image that was on their data pad. Yes her boyfriend ratted out Cassian to the Corpos, but it was the Salvage yard owner that had the radio transmitter in his chimney that was the first person interrogated directly by the Empire. It was he who gave up Bix and her likeness to the Empire. She also didn't run up and turn tail upon seeing the crowd. She talked with Brasso and he told her about the salvage guy being taken to the hotel, now occupied by the Empire. She looked gutted by the news and Brasso asked her was she alright. It was after that conversation that the Empire officer noticed her, recognized her from the info gleaned from the earlier interrogation and called her out by name.
@@andremiddleton4944 I think we may be talking about different parts of the series. I dont remember the salvage yard worker being interrogated in the first Ferrox arc. When was that?
@@RoyalPurpleSPower the Salvage yard owner is the father of the kid who made the bomb in the season finale. We see him post torture on episode 8. Deedra purposely left him in the torture chair when they brought Bix in to spook her. Bix used the transmitter to tell Luthen that Marva died. That's why they pinched the Salvage yard owner.
Yeah don't shoot people in the leg. Don't shoot unless you're ready to kill, and the situation calls for it. Because many people die from a "harmless" shot to the leg or arm.
To many arteries, shock is always something to worry about.
They could of shot stunners at them! Every blaster has the stun mode. You would of thought that was something that would of been rammed into their heads in training.
@@Gothic7876 wait they had training?
Any gunshot can kill. The body is complex. Crazy how people who take a bullet through the skull sometimes survive, while someone does from a gut or leg shot.
Even if he did have the weapon on stun, there's a chance that the fall would end up breaking the victim's neck, especially when he's running down a set of steps towards them.
*Femoral Artery has entered the chat
I was talking to a buddy who said he had to leave the room during the speeder bomb scene. He's was on the receiving end of a car bomb in Afghanistan, and this immediately triggered him
My sympathies to your pal, that's rough that the scene invoked much anxiety which warranted his leave of the room.
My sympathies to your friend as well, I also wanted to say that he’s not alone in this view of that scene. My father worked in LEO for a long time and that whole raid scene, while he fortunately never experienced something like that, gave him extreme anxiety due to how real it felt, especially the end.
Hope he’s okay now, Vets need help and I hope he’s getting it.
@@UnknownOps He's doing better, we got him some help. Just not from the VA
@@bendavis3778 I'm glad he wasn't abandoned to fend for his own unlike other many veterans out there.
So to simplify this: Andor brought out how much gray Star Wars really is for us to see. Am I correct with this? I know that the conflicts between the Republic and the Separatists and the Rebels and the Empire have some vast chunks of gray areas in them but it seemed here Andor shown that gray area properly.
A more gritty look.
yes.
You are 100% correct,and I love this about this show.
It's like an oasis in the desert for me.
You have a despotic Empire sucking world dry and slaughtering people as they see fit. All is fair in love and war. The challenge is to first survive the Empire, by any means necessary, then to thrive against the Empire, once again by any means necessary. Then, defeat the Empire, yet again by any means necessary. Only after winning does the real challenge come about. Now, ones "New Republic" Needs to deliver on its promises.
@@scoutdynamics3272 And just like the Old Republic before and after the Ruusan Reformation, it failed to deliver those promises again.
I think an underlying motive for the Chief Inspector not to solve the case or to report to the issue as a murder to the Empire was partly to protect the people. Even though he worked for the Preox Morlana Company's Tactical Enforcement and was not a traditional policeman beholden to the people, he still understood that an Imperial garrison would have been sent, and that would have been bad for everyone. And this was the point in the Star Wars universe where the Empire was already conducting atrocities, meaning an Imperial garrison would have further exacerbated things and probably caused even further unrest.
I love the design of the Tac-Pods, very reminiscent of the LAATs. Great vid GenTech.
The tactical actions and mistakes are all perfectly executed for the sake of the plot. It. Made. Sense.
*thumbnail*
Sergeant Linus Mosk: "I knew the risks I calculated were great. But man, I'm bad at math."
Yeah true lol!
I think Mosk was lacking in experience with these sorts of raids, but he did the correct thing - take how many people you think you need and triple it to account for the unknown.
The key thing that got Mosk this task was his enthusiasm. Mosk could put up a show of confidence, and when the going got tough he could keep up that (possibly false or unjustified) confidence while giving orders. Even though Mosk made numerous mistakes, things would have gone even worse if he had not been giving orders with confidence. The men would have crumbled in panic and who knows what that could have led to.
10:47
“Worst Case Scenario shoot them in the lower extremities”
*Femoral artery* “Am I a joke to you?”
Yeah, the corpo action of Ferrix is very small scale, but sometimes something small snowballs into something a lot bigger.
In episode 4, I was surprised to see upper echelons of the ISB even mentioning it ... but we soon see why. The power hungry ISB officer Blevin has been keen on any excuse to expand his domain and take over territory.
It seems that Blevin doesn't really care about the investigation at all. He seems preoccupied with ... well ... empire building. His management style seems to be to install people who thereby owe him favors. The figure he installs on Ferrix seems, honestly, to be slow on the uptake. But by installing people who are basically mediocre, Blevin limits threats from below and also makes his subordinates feel more dependent on him.
All good stuff for Blevin to build his little personal mini-empire, but is mediocre leadership going to be enough to get a grapple on Ferrix? Based on what glimpses we may have seen in the trailers ... yeah maybe not.
Solid break down my dude. Insight and experience goes along way and unfortunately for most only time will change that and for some not even that. I enjoyed your perspective on that.
Good catch. I thought the skirmish was a very small incident for the Empire to take over. Makes more sense now.
Orbital bombardment. The populace is violently hostile, so bombard them from orbit or with bomber aerospace craft.
And lose a profitable salvage yard? I think not.@@midgetydeath
This whole situation reminded me of a scaled down version of the Homestead Riots when Carnegie Steel called in Pinkertons on striking workers in Pittsburgh.
The thing about a lot of Corporations and Governments, is that incompetence advances, while competency is punished.
Reminds me of an officer I served with that was a butter bar and was more focused on chasing ribbons and medals and when shit got real he froze up. My SSgt took charge and we got through the engagement with minimal casualties.
I hate when people in real life say shoot somebody in the leg because there’s a big femoral artery in there that will make you lose blood so fast you’ll be dead before you know it but I guess I’ll give it a pass in the Star Wars universe because the Tabono gas would cauterize the wound and then the wound would explode because the blood wouldn’t have anywhere to go even better
Yeah, limited bleeding with a blaster hit.
My question is why don't they have stun settings on their blasters? I get that Disney isn't taking pointers from legends material, but the Corporate Sector had specifically designed stun weapons for their enforcement troops.
@@shanehudson3995 Good point even storm troopers head stone weapons from princess Leia so it makes absolutely no sense to give the corporate thugs real guns
You'd still have the issue of shock which could lead to death. Sure, they may not bleed to death, but the trauma can still cause shock which can still kill a person. There's also the issue that many places today would put even a cop in jail if they admitted to purposely shooting a suspect in the leg instead of center of mass. It's argued that they must not have felt their life in danger if they went for a maiming/crippling shot instead of a shot that has the highest chance of incapacitation with a reasonable means of accuracy and precision. A person shot in the legs can still potentially fight.
@@Talishar Dude it's still reducing the risk of death by a 1000 factor if not more
i just love that they aren't "the bad guys" Syril is just a cop trying to find a murderer and wouldn't settle for it being covered up just because the cops murdered were corrupt
Not every right is advantageous. Even a criminal knows how to take a hit to avoid attention. The whole idea was to avoid gaining any attention from the Empire. Hyne knew what would happen if the Empire looked their way. Keep us as inconspicuous as possible. Karn went to Ferrix with at least 12 men. That's not how you remain inconspicuous. That's why they all got their positions dissolved. Nobody knows how to look at the big picture. This is what I was saying about the difference between the young, zealous, overly righteous Thundercats and the older, laid back seasoned people. The Thundercats rush right in, looking at what's only 2 inches in front of their faces. "A crime was committed! There must he justice." The criminals were the wannabe cops, and they got justice. They pursued and found what they deserved. Let it go so that the Empire doesn't become interested and take away everything you have already.
He’s not a cop, he’s a Red Samuri, collecting his new yen by enforcing corporate authority on people who do not have a legitimate government to citizen relationship.
It’s really hypocritical for him to claim that he cares about corruption, when his own position only exist because of a corrupt system!
The corpos are one of my favorite additions to Star Wars lore, especially Syril Karn. He’s just… He’s like the perfect representation of anyone who goes “If I were in Star Wars, I’d be a Storm Trooper! And I’d totally be able to take down a Jedi, with my combat training!” No you wouldn’t. You’d be a loser rent-a-cop with an overinflated ego. You would never see action in your life if you were lucky, and you’d be entirely unprepared for it if you weren’t. And the Empire you’d be propping up would just as happily churn you into mulch under it’s authoritarianism as it would any rebel.
Haven't watched the series yet (waiting to binge), but this sounds like a small scale version of the Battle of Mogadishu.
it basically was
It's totally different in context.
Was thinking same!
Talking about blurring the lines between good and evil, I love how they made Beehaz a family man then had the rebels threaten his family.
Incidentally- did you know that the actor playing Sergeant Mosk was quite a badass in real life? There's a reason that he put in such a pitch-perfect performance as the experienced NCO. Look up Alex Ferns sometime. The story is pretty impressive.
There is one thing I was wondering. The Imperials. I wonder if they were looking for an opportunity/excuse to take over Ferrix from the beginning? The intelligence bureau is always on top of things here on this series. Its as if the security forces were set up for a fall from the start.🤔
I think so. I think that’s precisely why the chief didn’t want to pursue it; he didn’t want to give the empire a reason to get more hands on. He told Syril that in making reports to the empire it’s best (basically) to have nothing to say. To me, that seems like he’d seen what happened to others when they couldn’t show the empire that they could keep it together. He sounds too jaded and sure for him not to have learned this lesson from seeing consequences dished out for similarly “trivial” situations
ANDOR: 'A New Hope' for the franchise
Alright I know it's not a meme, I know the show isn't perfect, and I know not everyone will agree to what I'm about to say, but I feel like I have to give credit where credit is due and show some appreciation for the show and what it has achieved.
It's been a long time, too long, since the last time I felt this enthralled, captivated, and mesmerized by Star Wars, I still have that bitter aftertaste in my mouth after the disastrous sequel trilogy, but Andor really gives me hope for the future of the franchise. The pacing of this show is just perfect, the slow burn is never boring, the story feels concise, focused, yet comprehensive. All that build up and tension are handsomely paid off at the end of episode 6.
Now what i’m about to say next might upset some people, but I genuinely think it's WAY BETTER than Kenobi series from a cinematic perspective. It’s a shame that the hype for the series is rather low compared to Kenobi, granted it’s about a much smaller character, but it shouldn’t be the reason to not watch it. Andor as the main character feels so much more compelling than Kenobi was in his own series. Somehow it also looks a lot better too, the CGI, the landscape shots, the close ups, every shot feels meticulously crafted and natural. Now I don’t know if it's a budget thing, but it sure looks a million dollars better than Kenobi with its let’s just say questionable quality CGI in some parts. Andor looks so good it made me think I wasn't watching Star Wars, it gives off a really strong Blade Runner vibe.
The series really shines a new light on a lot of less explored aspects of the universe, like how the Empire maintain security on far-flung territories without direct presence of the empire itself, and it even managed to slip in a gay couple sub-plot that doesn’t feel annoying nor too on the nose but respectable instead. It also shows the different frontlines of the rebellion, those with their boots on the ground on some far-off planet and those fighting for the cause using politics and diplomacy in the senate.
It is also surprisingly difficult to predict, it managed to keep me guessing as to what’s gonna happen next, also sprinkled here and there are good amount of little plot twists that caught me off guard, forcing me to keep paying attention.
Now my favorite thing from the series other than how kino the whole thing is, is the heavy inspiration taken from real world history events. Now this part is gonna be a little spoiler, so SPOILER WARNING! I just can’t stop thinking about the similarities between the ‘heist’ that Andor and the small band of resistance fighter did and the real sabotage done by Norwegian resistance and British SOE operatives against the germans during world war two, particularly the one that took place at Vemork power plant. The espionage, the information gathering, the mole behind enemy line, and months of preparation, all this effort for an operation that feels only lasted for an hour, it all feels so grounded to reality and make sense.
Okay, conclusion. Andor is not made for kids, there’s little to no dumbed down exposition and it really hits that “Show, don’t tell” rule quite nicely. it feels a lot darker, a lot more mature, our 'heroes' will kill an unarmed man and leave fallen comrade behind if necessary, clearly emphasizing that not all good guys are truly good and not all bad guys are truly bad, at the end of the day everyone is just trying to make their way in the universe. This show isn’t about the big-name heroes like Skywalker or Kenobi, this time it’s about the smaller people, the unknown soldiers, the remote outpost sentries, and the outlaws just trying to disappear.
Look, I know Andor isn't everyone cup of tea but if you haven’t given this series the chance it deserves, go ahead and invest some time into it, you won’t be disappointed, ‘cuz I sure didn’t.
P.S. Sorry for grammatical errors, english isn't my first language.
Such a phenomenal concept for a video - would love to see more of these for other Star Wars skirmishes!
Shooting legs is 1 extremely challenging and 2 still very capable of being fatal without prompt medical intervention
It's also illegal in many regimes to purposely aim for limbs as it comes off as your life wasn't in danger and you were instead trying to maim and cripple them rather than just stop them.
Limb wounds aren't particularly dangerous in star wars since blasters and lightsabers cauterize wounds.
Shooting a limb rarely takes a determined opponent out of the fight anyway.
Loving this kind of content, this can go in the strategy and tactics playlist!
One thing I’m noticing from this series and Mando: parking your ship an inconvenient distance away. I’m so used to space ports and landing pads being a Star Wars thing, but here people park and walk and hope nobody messes with the ship.
Have you ever driven to a mall? Now imagine your car has backblast. ;-)
@@libertyprime7911 gotta yell “Backblast clear!” Every time you take off
Drinking a bit while waiting for a fight was more like a ritual really but the biggest mistake was leaving the landing crafts without guards and how they detained the suspect that caused her BF to rally up a lot.
The Blue Squad clearly underestimated both Andor and the locals
Hey Alan, FYI, SWAT team I'm on typically has between 11 and 14 for most of our warrant services. Fairly standard.
No better breakdowns anywhere. So well done, Allen & Gen Tech!
Karn is that one new guy transferred over to your place who hasn't seen enough to understand the issue
I loved this breakdown! Really shows that there can be some tactical sense in star wars
12:05 That's a pretty realistic explosion death, in my unqualified opinion.
While powerful enough blasts sometimes dismember people or turn them into pink mist/gore, what's more frequent is their lungs getting crushed, their brain getting slammed around inside their skull, their eardrums popping, and them staggering around and falling over, bleeding from all the orifices in their head, as they have a brain aneurysm or suffocate because the alveoli in their lungs got crushed.
In tight enough spaces, blast waves are arguably more lethal than shrapnel, and armor can't protect you from them as well.
What Roue One and Andor do is show a more down to earth and grounded view of the Galaxy Far Far Away. It actually shows the tough choices and compromises that people make, the realisation of fear and the impact of death on those around it. It is more 'human' take on the space opera storyline.
The Ferrix Alarms are great example of community defense. it is a matching signal that everyone tries to match to let the whole settlement know that outsiders are doing outsider things and that at minimum, everyone needs to get safe. Also, since everyone does the hammering, it can't be used or treated as a directed warning system for specific individuals. Good stuff. Very anarchist.
Yes. And the Ferrix casual alarms system was in cultural keeping with the "anvil tower" concept. The community had a range of percussion signals that everyone knew and responded to. Great consistency of a cultural concept.
How to pull a Leeroy Jenkins in the worst way possible.
At least they had chicken.
I definitely want to see more Videos like these I enjoyed it on my break at work
It was really great to have the baddies making in character mistakes. And let's not forget that Cassian screwed up when he placed that call too.
I didn't even know this was about Star Wars until a minute in when you mentioned it and it had some of the distinctive mud-hut like buildings. Really good dissection, I don't think the showrunners think this deep but they should! Edit: Oh touché! Thank you for explaining at around 14 minutes in the boot camp experience and Bourne origins.
The stun setting seems to be basically never used in Star Wars these days..... it's kinda dumb.
But these mall cops going on this op and creating havoc was fun as hell.
This was great to watch
Extreme realism for what conflict on the lower scale looks like, with common criminals and police officers involved, not always battle hardened soldiers. It does the job of showing deterioration of public order and it does it amazingly well
If you ever thought about doing a watch party for the latest episodes of Star Wars content on Dis+ I'm sure the community would be happy to join in. Live chat would also be a great place to be inspired for future content not that you need it. I appreciate all the vids you put out and you always have a way of expanding my way of looking at the universe Lucas started and so many talented people have had a hand in carrying forward. The latest episode, as of 10/12/22, "The Eye" from acting and directing to the frenetic editing and inspired music is brilliant. I can't wait to see your take on the episode and hear about all the things you picked up on that I might of missed.
Both Strormtroopers and Corporation Police are incompetent.
BUT...
There is a huge difference between the two.
Stormtroopers are incompetent because (sorry Mr Lucas...) their fight scenes are poorly written, they are only here to give the heroes a "plot armor". The more I see those fight scenes involving Stormtroopers, the harder it is to "suspend the disbelief".
On the other hand, the Corporation Police is incompetent because that IS precisely what Gilroy wanted to show us : how poorly trained and equipped those guys are. And that is just wonderful !
I like this real world analysis of this Star Wars case of Andor's escape.
Would love a Easter egg episode, especially of the antiquity shop on corruscant. Think I spotted Star Killers armor which is a little odd and a Jedi temple Guard helmet and a bunch of other cool things. Keep it up, love the content!
I loved the literal "chain reaction" in Building 9 as the whole situation began unraveling.
The corpo guy who shot the guy who literally charged them(enough reason to shoot by itself) couldn’t really do anything else in that situation except dogpile the guy, which would also be stupid.
What happens if he goes to strike him with the butt of his gun?
Option 1.) The shock causes internal bleeding in the brain and breaks his jaw or something. Gonna fuck him up if not outright kill him. This is best case scenario.
Option 2.) He goes to strike him, but the Scottish guy intercepts and overpowers him, gains control of his gun and shoots 2-3 more people before getting gunned down.
Option 3.) Scottish guy draws a concealed knife or something and stabs the guy and grabs his gun, again shootout.
Option 4.) Guy pulls out a grenade or is wearing a suicide vest, everyone dies.
The list goes on.
You charge someone when they’re holding a weapon you’re more than likely to get hurt or killed unless said people go miles out of their way to avoid killing you. Not because they value your life over theirs but because their boss’s boss cares more about the image and pr than the safety of the people who work them.
He’d still be alive if he didn’t charge them like a fuckwit.
So you’re saying rather than just going for the non lethal option in a stun just shoot the unarmed guy just because he’s running at you?
@@gundampeacekeeper Did his gun have a stun feature? Seeing as he didn’t fucking use it, I’d imagine not too fucking likely. Go home strawman bob or to whatever hole you crawled out from.
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Good analysis of the tactics I enjoyed it. Thanks 🇬🇧👍
For Tim, they did just about all they could've done. they had no way oh knowing if he was actually unarmed so they couldn't let him get close enough to melee, and extremities hard very hard to hit. in the era of blasters idk if it applies but extremities also contain arteries so if the blaster bolt doesn't sufficiently cauterize the wound he'd have likely bleed out anyways
Great breakdown! Loving Andor
Great breakdown on the situation and very accurate
I'm so excited for the heist for the same reasons you listed here
New episode tonight breh. It's gonna be a banger. Lets gooooo!!
Good analysis and breakdown.
My guess is that you were either in the Army or the Marines. As always, excellent analysis. Keep up the excellent work.
this is a very good breakdown.
7 p’s on this. You must always have contingency plans and make sure everyone has the right amount of training on their responsibilities and weapons. Boottenant Cyril should’ve been stationed on the ship he is incredibly out of his depth. A lesson learned is to know your limitations and your surroundings. I love this show and this channel thanks
He was goaded into coming along by Sergeant Tactical Blueberry. "It'll be good for morale to have an officer in the sortie." But from his speech you can tell none of the cops had a drop of respect for him.
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10:45 No, don't buffalo anyone in the face or shoot the leg. Especially don't shoot the legs. That's a very swift way to unalive someone unless you have perfect MRI vision
12 men to capture one is perfectly standard ratio for a raid on a property, it covers your bases and allows for a reasonable spread of resources in a small team.
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Do you think there's enough lore on the mobile Starbase and the tact pods? Would love to know more about them. At first I was disappointed because those pods looked like imperial laats but weren't. The ship grew on me since it's a laat mixed with the lambda scaled down and stripped of weapons. Which makes me wonder if there's a beefier militarized version of the tact pod.
The one scene where one of the police tactical troops shoots the dude they all told him to drop his gun this shows that they aren’t evil and i love andor for this
They aren't cartoonishly evil, but they are still in the service of evil through simply "doing their job" by being an diluted arm of the influence of the Empire. The rules they're enforcing, and how they enforce them, are causing issues within the forces themselves. If Cassian didn't drop those two rent a cops in the beginning, how many more people would they have jacked money from and how many witnesses would've been "silenced"?
Corruption spreads, that's its nature. Unchecked, it can rot institutions from the inside.
Karn and Mosk aren't really that out-of-the-ordinary. They're just two dudes who are sooooooo proud to belong to something bigger than themselves. Unfortunately, they also demonstrate the danger of guys like that.
Honestly I thought theyt did alright certainly compared to other star wars tactical operations.
They knew the layout of the city (roughly) and spread out to cut off escape routes
Most of the men were well disaplined not jumping the gun and when one did he was imediatly removed from the battlefield.
I think their main problem was over confidence in their place in society they acted just like a swat team IRL but like gentech pointed out swat is sopported by a whole bunch of other people. Though thats probably because of corpo restrictions and the fact this wasn't technically sanctioned.
I think from a stroy telling perspective they were perfect skilled enough and smart enough to be beliveable but over confident enough to make the point the story needed
so the security squad to me makes sense as most of them were shooting decently accurately. also the sgts want to bring a squad made sense as I took it being a military Doctrine of you bring a squad to an area to check for one thing as that is what you typically do. The inspector guy also made sense as they portrayed him as a paper pusher who in the high archy had the power of a 2nd lt where he could tell the sgt what to do even if he should be able to.
Yeah I think the Chief Inspector actually had a decent idea of what would happen if his security force tried to do an operation like this, and if so then he was right. Though, he could have explained it a lot better to his men, considering that one of their fellows was murdered.
10:39 sorry but ur wrong here. You don't charge officers while they're conducting business as they are. Great vid love ur stuff as always
But it’s timm with two mms
@Peters6221 38 shots?
I think the Chief Inspector was more understanding of the situation than we realize. He analyzed the events between Cassian and the other two security officers perfectly. He knew they were somewhere they weren't supposed to be and picked a fight with someone they underestimated. But the Chief’s main concern is not drawing the attention of the Empire. He knows they're under-equipped to handle these situations and he knows the Empire would all too quickly take charge if it sees that the Corporate Authority is incapable. Which is exactly what happens. The Chief Inspector isn't apathetic, he's staying under the Empire’s radar. Keeping the security forces employed. He knows the situation with Cassian isn't worth the effort and will bring a very negative light onto their operation.
Is it just me or does the police shuttle look like a an empire version of the laat but modified for use in vaccum.
That thing is _WAY_ smaller than a LAAT, I'm sorry.
Barely fits 12 people, there's no comparison with the beautiful gunship of the GAR.
@@MrDibara it just kinda feels like a cheap copy.
@@justindunlap1235 _If it is, _*_the manufacturer should be fired._* =_=
Even the Coruscant police gunship was better then this thing!
@@MrDibara I don’t think the Empire is interested for anyone other than themselves having anymore than what is necessary. They don’t want to have possible threats after all.
There were more valid battle tactics in this episode alone than in most of the movies, or even most trilogies in the franchise. Especially if you compare it to The Last Jedi, in which every single military decision taken was wrong.
When I watched this I'm like. All of this death is because he wanted to avenge the deaths of 2 of there employees who where clearly in the wrong
I knew this was going to happen the second the Chief Inspector told Karn to drop it.
And in my opinion the Chief Inspector was right. It would have been one thing if the two guys Cassian merc'd were just doing their jobs but Hinds knew what kind of scum they actually were. He laid it all out for Karn and even said he was surprised that one of them hadn't been killed years ago. They got themselves killed and everyone is better just letting it go.
No, it’s because Karn believes in his role as a professional law enforcement officer. He is there to enforce the law and investigate crimes, impartially. That’s his job, and it’s a vital role in society. Just because a victim may also be a criminal themselves, doesn’t mean the murderer gets a free pass to murder them. That’s allowing your society to be governed by street justice, and ultimately street justice leads to anarchy and chaos.
@@station7thedoor I agree with you and from a simple moral binary of right and wrong that makes perfect sense. But the SW Galaxy is in a lot of ways the Wild West. Civilization is spread out and resources such as law enforcement are few and far between. They need to be allocated where and when they will do the most good.
You can make a very solid case that Chief Inspector Hinds was being derelict in his duties. By the letter of the law he most certainly was. However there is also something to be said for knowing when to choose your battles. Hinds had a hunch that this was going to be more trouble than it was worth and he was ultimately proven correct in the end.
Instead of two dead dirty corpo cops we now have four more dead corpo officers who probably weren't total scum bags and one dead civilian. Not to mention that what little freedom the people of the sector had is out the window now that the Empire is going to step in.
This isn't a rebuke of your point by the way. In real life I think letting chaos rule is a very bad idea. I do love that this show is sparking this kind of conversation in the fandom. Both points of view on this subject are equally right and wrong. I love the moral ambiguity in Andor.
In hindsight the Chief Inspector probably should have been less callous in how he explained the situation to Karn. Meanwhile Karn should have been less zealous in his pursuit of Cassian. Alas, that isn't what happened.
@@station7thedoor you’re right he’s just a ducking drone who ignores how his corrupt police system and government is fucking people over in the name of “order”
@@station7thedoor you can’t investigate crimes impartially when there’s a clear power imbalance and corruption in the policing system
This s a pretty sophisticated analysis. You seem to have a lot tactical policing knowledge or maybe tactical military knowledge.
What about clone wars they Showed the other side
I see nothing wrong with taking a swig of some spotka in the middle of a fire fight.
Hmmm, trying to interject logic where it doesn't exist with the Wild-Blueberries. But I agree, they lacked any situational awareness of the rapid changes to the task at hand.
To be fair, the raid did prevent that rare starship thingy from getting into rebel hands.
Sir can u give a analysis Milan security forces ship use in future 😊
We’re supposed to see the well planned event tonight. What could possibly go wrong?
It’s hard enough to put a blaster shot in the lower extremities when someone is moving, much less when they don’t have training.
Pockets!
just like in real life, PROPER TRAINING is one of the key problems with police in the Star Wars universe.
*THIS!*
But if you pay for the proper training, where will the money for bonuses for the upper management of the corporate security company come from?
Even more corruption elsewhere, and civil asset forfeiture.
@@toddkes5890 and death stars think about the death stars
The trade federation had tanks and their own army . I thought they were their own government
It's honestly MIND BOGGLING when you remember corporations SO BIG that they had armies and fleets for days, like the Trade Federation, the Techno Union, the IGBC... *and then you look at the sorry state of this corporate authority.* 🤦♂️
_Oh well, guess tis a good reminder that there're also smaller, almost tiny corporations out there too._
Not to mention they also had a seat within the Galactic Senate.
@@MrDibara Pretty sure that after the Clone Wars the disarmament of all sub-state actors (those that weren't nationalized by the Empire that is) was enacted pretty quickly.
If nothing else the Empire wants to have an absolute monopoly on the use of force.
They didn't realize the skill of the two men. Andor was backed into a corner and desperate. It made him more aggressive and swift💪🇨🇦🇨🇦
“Shoot for the lower extremities” *femoral artery has entered chat*
8:52 I believe the word you wanted was "observant."
The CTF may not have much training, but they can shoot better than stormtroopers.