Crisis on Infinite Earths Part 3 Is a Surprisingly Good Ending

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  • čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
  • Just 4 years into it’s run, the Tomorrowverse has now come to an end with the third and final part in the Crisis on Infinite Earths trilogy which for all intents and purposes has been a series of movies that while never truly living up to it’s full potential, has had it’s really strong moments and this third and final part is no expectation. This video will be my review for Justice League: Crisis on Infinite Earths Part Three.

Komentáře • 484

  • @marcusyates3044
    @marcusyates3044 Před měsícem +364

    Kevin Conroy: "And if it has to end at least I go out like this, being Batman"
    The Super Friends, The DCAU, Teen Titans '03... Are they REALLY gone for good? 💔

    • @petar2253
      @petar2253 Před měsícem +49

      Well I guess when you look at their timelines but I can't believe they destroyed Titans 03 and DCAU but not Titans go or like the snyderverse which would have been funny lol

    • @1234_Flux
      @1234_Flux Před měsícem +47

      Of course they aren't gone for good. Crisis is just a story. WB can bring that stuff back whenever they want.

    • @1993digifan
      @1993digifan Před měsícem +17

      The character models for the John Stewart and Shayera shown on E-12 were never on screen together, John's from Justice League while Shayera's is from JLU so we can EASILY imagine that it wasn't the DCAU that we watched.

    • @ShockwaveFPSStudios
      @ShockwaveFPSStudios Před měsícem +17

      If the writers confirmed they’re not the real DC heroes from those universes, I would believe them. But since there hasn’t been any official word for it, I’m just pissed that DC did their old universes dirty.

    • @bensonlineberger1852
      @bensonlineberger1852 Před měsícem +4

      @@ShockwaveFPSStudiosIn my head canon… Every single animated series is gone…

  • @WickedFireBird69
    @WickedFireBird69 Před měsícem +70

    "I care, Joker." Not gonna lie, I got chills hearing these final words from the man who in my opinion I always hear in my head when I read Batman comics. Kevin Conroy will always be Batman, and that's how he went out..."Being Batman!"

  • @anxarts7424
    @anxarts7424 Před měsícem +348

    i lost my shit when it was directly connected to the OG timeline...

    • @trashboat5388
      @trashboat5388 Před měsícem +34

      Bro everybody knew that since the Justice society movie

    • @aspirasi305
      @aspirasi305 Před měsícem +5

      But which timeline exactly is the OG timeline tho?

    • @trashboat5388
      @trashboat5388 Před měsícem +19

      @@aspirasi305 he’s talking about the movie universe that started with flashpoint

    • @anuragbasumatary8984
      @anuragbasumatary8984 Před měsícem +9

      Can anyone explain me why don't the spectre punishes the flash . And does the spectre and the speed force have some relation?

    • @handlebarsmustache
      @handlebarsmustache Před měsícem +5

      ​​@@anuragbasumatary8984He came from the original DCAU to create this new universe. The DCAU was where Damien was introduced as Robin and a Teen Titan.

  • @thevideogameclan9639
    @thevideogameclan9639 Před měsícem +125

    I felt my heart shatter into a million pieces when I heard Kevin Conroy's voice.

    • @dodge9600
      @dodge9600 Před měsícem +3

      Why is that

    • @LastBreathSansHardMode
      @LastBreathSansHardMode Před měsícem

      Its was his last performance as batman in earth 12. 😢​@@dodge9600

    • @LastBreathSansHardMode
      @LastBreathSansHardMode Před měsícem +3

      Where he punch mark hamil joker one last Time

    • @sword3349
      @sword3349 Před měsícem +3

      ​@dodge9600 probably this is the final role of Kevin Konroy as Batman?

    • @LastBreathSansHardMode
      @LastBreathSansHardMode Před měsícem +3

      @@sword3349 yes it is his last performance and his legacy will be remembered as the embodiment of the Batman.

  • @FrancistheBrave
    @FrancistheBrave Před měsícem +72

    2003 earth didn't even get a character cameo 😭

    • @obsidian2249
      @obsidian2249 Před měsícem +24

      Yeah that was so lame we should've atleast gotten Robin or somethin

    • @FrancistheBrave
      @FrancistheBrave Před měsícem +5

      @obsidian2249 I know right smdh

    • @KingShibe
      @KingShibe Před měsícem +7

      Wasn't it just Titans tower?

    • @FrancistheBrave
      @FrancistheBrave Před měsícem +8

      @@KingShibe yea the 2003 Teen Titans that used to air back in the day. That earth got wiped out also.

  • @sarathomas8499
    @sarathomas8499 Před měsícem +36

    When Sups screamed I FELT THAT in my _soul_

  • @marchess286
    @marchess286 Před měsícem +10

    nothing measures up to the Spectre's line from the comics: "Anti-Monitor: Who Dares!?! Spectre: I dare, cruel one".

  • @The_Phantasm
    @The_Phantasm Před měsícem +148

    I know he is credited but I'm sorry there is no way that was Mark Hamill as Joker. And I don't believe what some people are trying to say that "he's just trying to sound younger".

    • @maximusprime3459
      @maximusprime3459 Před měsícem +23

      I don't think it sounded like him either unless his voice was "enhanced" somehow.

    • @mcpics4448
      @mcpics4448 Před měsícem +23

      I feel like they only had him for one take and that’s it

    • @Whyyoulooking45
      @Whyyoulooking45 Před měsícem +2

      Well let’s try and figure the mystery ay? Let’s take action

    • @MkayM254
      @MkayM254 Před měsícem +27

      Did you ever consider that maybe he’s just getting older?
      Probably strained his voice a lot over the years playing that role.

    • @The_Phantasm
      @The_Phantasm Před měsícem +13

      @@MkayM254 For god's sake enough with this. It's just not Mark Hamill. Just look at his most recent performance in the game MultiVersus. They are two different people and WB is at fault for crediting him for something he didn't do.

  • @NightRunner2099
    @NightRunner2099 Před měsícem +145

    I was not expecting Constantine's plan to stop Darkseid to be that dark. Holy cow!! Wouldn't be the first time that he unalived a child to prevent a bad thing, but still.
    Also, i didn't spot that many animation errors this time around with the designs. Well done i guess.

    • @MyJanvic
      @MyJanvic Před měsícem

      Killing a child to stop a bad thing from happening? Too dark indeed.

    • @NightRunner2099
      @NightRunner2099 Před měsícem +2

      @@MyJanvic he once unalived a baby antichrist.

    • @PosthumanHeresy
      @PosthumanHeresy Před měsícem +2

      *killed, not unalived

    • @clickinglifemoments
      @clickinglifemoments Před měsícem +1

      What Marvel proposed (killing Thanos in his childhood in the end game) ....DC has made it reality 😂😂😂

  • @superby1
    @superby1 Před měsícem +34

    The Losers appearance I believe picks up from their Showcase short.

  • @fictionverse7292
    @fictionverse7292 Před měsícem +25

    Flash killed baby Darkseid! Omg! They did Rhodey’s plan from Endgame.
    I bet this is how Flash got the idea
    Meanwhile in another universe…
    Rhodey: Why don’t we just find baby Thanos and… (pretending to hang his own neck)
    Flash: (Suddenly entered from another universe) Hey, that’s a good idea

    • @erg1947
      @erg1947 Před měsícem +3

      It wasn't actually the Flash. He travelled back to do it but couldn't only for Darkseid to be killed anyway by a death spell Constantine put on the Flash that killed anyone around him.

    • @fictionverse7292
      @fictionverse7292 Před měsícem

      @@kervensseremy Cap attempted something like this to kill baby Hitler

    • @marcusalrand7937
      @marcusalrand7937 Před měsícem

      That’s a good idea? 😆😆😆😆

    • @tobilobaobasola9392
      @tobilobaobasola9392 Před měsícem +1

      ​@kervensseremy stop making up things, thanos and darkseid aren't similar in any way

    • @fictionverse7292
      @fictionverse7292 Před měsícem

      @@erg1947 yeah, but he still got the idea even though he didn’t go through with it

  • @jeremymorris345
    @jeremymorris345 Před měsícem +91

    The people saying the DCAMU and the Tommorowverse aren't connected are kicking themselves right now.
    Like people were arguing the Constantine short House of Mystery wasn't connected and that the old man wasn't Constantine.

    • @R.J.Productions616
      @R.J.Productions616 Před měsícem +18

      I'm more so glad that the Tomorrowverse films were connected at all since when I started pointing out the art style similarities with Man of Tomorrow and Justice Society a dude told me I was just an MCU fanboy trying to connect things 😂

    • @jeremymorris345
      @jeremymorris345 Před měsícem +8

      @@R.J.Productions616 Dang, really? Like it's obvious they were connected they had the same Flash.

    • @R.J.Productions616
      @R.J.Productions616 Před měsícem +5

      ​@@jeremymorris345Yeah, but this also happened when Justice Society had released their trailer and at the time it was uncertain if there'd be a new shared universe for straight to video DC films. Then again though the guy was being a jerk for no reason

    • @jeremymorris345
      @jeremymorris345 Před měsícem +1

      @@R.J.Productions616 Oh I see

    • @cunningsmile4166
      @cunningsmile4166 Před měsícem +2

      I knew it before Man of Tommorow came out. Enfeugo pantaloons liars

  • @vincible45
    @vincible45 Před měsícem +30

    I was under the impression that the “new universe” is the set up for James Gunn’s new DCU. He did say that his universe would connect through movies, tv shows, animation, and video games(?)

  • @0H00C-Ultra
    @0H00C-Ultra Před měsícem +18

    My reaction when wave hit Earth 12: 😞

  • @JoelMiller431
    @JoelMiller431 Před měsícem +135

    Tomorrowverse Films Ranked
    1. Batman: The Long Halloween, Part Two
    2. Batman: The Long Halloween, Part One
    3. Justice League: Crisis on Infinite Earths - Part Three
    4. Justice Society: World War II
    5. Legion of Super-Heroes
    6. Justice League: Crisis on Infinite Earths - Part One
    7. Superman: Man of Tomorrow
    8. Justice League: Crisis on Infinite Earths - Part Two
    9. Green Lantern: Beware My Power
    10. Justice League: Warworld

    • @Stylez-13
      @Stylez-13 Před měsícem +5

      I tried to watch batman long Halloween but couldn't even get thru half of it without getting bored and sleepy... Don't agree at all

    • @IraMJR1
      @IraMJR1 Před měsícem +11

      Ngl I loved Batman long Halloween

    • @MuhammadAli-xw4yc
      @MuhammadAli-xw4yc Před měsícem +4

      @@Stylez-13 I dont agree with you, But I totally see why you got bored and sleepy. At least long halloween doesnt look immature and generic as all infinite earths trilogy yawnfest. I am sick to death of this whole time convoluted bs, It has been down to death, and done far better in the comics.

    • @MuhammadAli-xw4yc
      @MuhammadAli-xw4yc Před měsícem +3

      I discard the lousy,yawnfest that is the trilogy infinte earth trash, The art direction is bland,immature looking and just rubbish, I just got done binge watching the trilogy. Disgusted and salty about how pathetic it was. Constantine was probably the best thing about all this. The plot was mediocre at best, the dialogue was meh, the art was pathetic and immature almost teen looking wtf was that art direction about ya'll.Inever felt this way about the art before.

    • @Stylez-13
      @Stylez-13 Před měsícem +2

      @@MuhammadAli-xw4yc I have watched all batman animated and non animated movies and have loved all of them but I just couldn't get into long Halloween.... Might give it a try a few years later again

  • @Hewylewis
    @Hewylewis Před měsícem +83

    8:07 Not to mention them calling John Stewart "The greatest Green Lantern" shows the writers' hate for Hal Jordan.

    • @jico5147
      @jico5147 Před měsícem +22

      or people just prefer john stewart.

    • @Doctor_Glados
      @Doctor_Glados Před měsícem +17

      @@jico5147 I mean thats why you should have both, John and Hal because people have different taste and both are great. But let's be honest, the writers REALLY do hate Hal for some reason.

    • @jico5147
      @jico5147 Před měsícem +1

      @@Doctor_Glados i just think they should use all of the green lanterns. people like them and the way the green lantern corp. functions makes it perfect to use all of the popular ones in some way.

    • @chibotushapenga8799
      @chibotushapenga8799 Před měsícem +5

      My hope for this universe died with Hal Jordan..

    • @Hewylewis
      @Hewylewis Před měsícem

      @@jico5147 Or the writers hate Hal Jordan.

  • @seriousnas
    @seriousnas Před měsícem +50

    I popped when I saw Razor and Aya

    • @IjustFelix
      @IjustFelix Před měsícem +5

      SAME!!

    • @imafolklorestan
      @imafolklorestan Před měsícem +6

      it's about time they bring GLTAS back 😭

    • @earlsmith7428
      @earlsmith7428 Před měsícem +5

      I may have to purchase Crisis III just for that.

    • @IjustFelix
      @IjustFelix Před měsícem +1

      @@imafolklorestan will never see the originals be back together

    • @juanpalace0217
      @juanpalace0217 Před měsícem +4

      Same I just wish razor still had his half blue and half red from young justice look. I thought it looked cool imo but still I was glad they showed up.

  • @jeremymorris345
    @jeremymorris345 Před měsícem +56

    Based on the explanation of the Multiverse, I have to agree with you on it being it's own contained Multiverse.
    The DCAU already had a explanation for the Multiverse with the Hand. Also the DCAMU already had a multiverse crossover with the Teen Titans animated film. Not to mention, My Adventures with Superman has different universe numbers.
    So either similar to the Arrowverse, the Multiverse was recreated after the events of the film or very similar alternate Multiverses exist.

    • @lewisaino
      @lewisaino Před měsícem +2

      Maybe the OmniVerse exists but the Principal Multi Verse needs to be unified

  • @kwayneboy1524
    @kwayneboy1524 Před měsícem +9

    I like the idea of the ending capping off these characters in a sense similar to the comics these characters will morph and change but ultimately will remain the same.
    Their stories don't have any true ending just new beginings for new fans so seeing them state this isnt the end of it all is nice.

  • @petar2253
    @petar2253 Před měsícem +26

    I mean this 3 part movie series wasn't bad although I do think it was rushed due to James Gunn making the DCU and it was probably a decision from a higher up to cut the universe short, and I do think it could have been decent at least if we had like 4 movies before crisis but I do think what they will do with this new single universe that they made, will it be James Gunn universe? A new animated universe? I don't know but I can't wait to find out.

    • @MuhammadAli-xw4yc
      @MuhammadAli-xw4yc Před měsícem +4

      Nah im calling it, This trilogy was convoluted bs, a predictable yawnfest, Art design was pathetic,generic and quite immature looking compared to earlier animated movies. I was shocked, I literally waited until part 3 was released to binge watch da hell outta them with stern eyes and highly anticipation. Not gonna lie these movies all suck godzilla balls sack from da back. As disgusting as that sounds I am more disgusted with these 3 movies. I'm a 45 year old man who has practically grown up reading da DC comics, tooting my horn to how much better DC animated movies kick DCU live movies cheeks in and marvels animated movies and trash MCU. What da hell is going on with DC studios with this pathetic immature teen looking art design for this trilogy? I am stunned.

    • @petar2253
      @petar2253 Před měsícem +4

      @@MuhammadAli-xw4yc I can't disagree with you, The flash and Supergirl are in my top 3 favorite characters in DC and I feel like they butchered them in this universe, and that was probably due to the budget they had and the fact James was starting the DCU and honestly I also didn't like some of the character designs mostly how the faces looked, but I did like some of the costume designs especially WW costume I hope they keep it like that going forward. Also I am not that old so I can't really say about the 90s for DC animation I grew up with like JLU, The Batman, Batman BATB, OG Titans in the 2000s but I have to say the DCAMU and Tommorowvesre have been some of my least favorite DC animation ever

    • @MuhammadAli-xw4yc
      @MuhammadAli-xw4yc Před měsícem

      @@petar2253 I love me Barry Allen and love me supergirl, I played da fuck outta them in injustice games on my ps3. Loved both these characters in da comics, Dude I think you buy both injustice games, They are old but Gold my guy. Trust playing as supergirl in injustice 2 feels awesome, But playing as Flash is crazy S tier because his combos be mad rushdown crazy, As for flash in da animated tv series he is hot and cold, Sometimes he is so much fun and other times he talks like a stupid teenager despite being a grown ass man, As for supergirl, she is mid tier in da animated tv series, trash tier blond bimbo in the tv live action series. Cringe and full of feminism and woke progressive garbage, I watched season 1,2,3, and puked in my own mouth, Skipped season until Gigachad turnt up. They were pretty cool, But super girl kinda sucks and her comics are teen angst female bs, Please buy injustice 1 and 2. You will not be dissappointed brother.

    • @shaanwayne815
      @shaanwayne815 Před měsícem

      ​@@petar2253 wait till you realise that atleast 5 movies were cancelled. Yes, I know exactly which ones because there was an insider who posted everything on insta, he said that they were going to develop
      The flash: the flash war
      Aquaman: The dead king
      Green arrow and Black Canary
      The Atom: convergence
      untitled justice society sequel
      Tell me if those weren't interesting. They were all fresh and exciting projects
      But they all got cancelled as soon as the wb discovery merger happened and gunn came on.the insta guy also deleted his post about the next movies. Gunn wanted to end the tomorrowverse so that they could focus on dcu resulting in skipping over those movies and doing a trash mediocre justice league warworld film to setup the crisis trilogy.
      They just wanted to end it quick even if it was not their initial plan
      And yes, I know those 5 movies are correct because the insta guy posted about them and he was the one who said that they were developing a legion of superheroes movie before warner themselves officially announced it. Also, he confirmed the justice society sequel too before the official announcement. He knew everything but his account was banned soon after legion of superheroes released

  • @ItsOver9000Productions
    @ItsOver9000Productions Před měsícem +27

    It was surprisingly not hot garbage.
    I'm glad this universe is over though but i'm still upset we're ending another universe with "and then everyone dies" for the 2nd time in a row. Cameos were cool but they could've honestly shown way more considering they're just being wiped from existence and 2 with no dialogue. This should've been a true crossover event where DCAU Superman and DCAMU Superman in their respective art styles are the ones we follow in this movie, not 2 Supermen from the same version of the multiverse.
    Btw, the erasing of the other universes doesn't matter. They were long cancelled shows that are wiped out in only this movie. It doesn't really have an effect on these universes lol. This one Elseworlds movie won't dictate the future of anything but itself. These are just Easter eggs.

    • @Doctor_Glados
      @Doctor_Glados Před měsícem +2

      Well except Batman TAS and Justice League cartoons share the same universe, so it made no sense. Also I'm truly baffled that people don't see how weak of a movie it was. Narrative wise you have nothing except for a bit of nostalgia bate and no emotional stakes since most of these characters were just introduced or had no character development. Imagine if they used established characters from like the DCAU batman, or even the one from the New 52 inspired universe. This 3 parter was the definition of dog water...

    • @ItsOver9000Productions
      @ItsOver9000Productions Před měsícem +1

      @@Doctor_Glados headcanon: he was feeling nostalgic that week and decided to put in that costume. Joker in universe doesn't actually look that different

    • @kwayneboy1524
      @kwayneboy1524 Před měsícem

      They didn't really die just got remade in another timeline.

    • @deadpoolf1
      @deadpoolf1 Před měsícem

      ​@@Doctor_Gladosyeah exactly

  • @Minetic
    @Minetic Před měsícem +7

    Outside of a few movies, the Tomorrowverse was ultimately lacking severely. Interested to see how Gunn’s vision will play out now

  • @phoenixhughes9802
    @phoenixhughes9802 Před měsícem +22

    please excuse me if im wrong. At 10:32 you talked about earth 2003 being a reference to Young Justice earth 16 but the screenshot is of the 2003 CN teen titans show, earth 2003 is their world. Earth 16 was mentioned by ted cord "The anti-monitor it's charging up it's targeting earth-16" but that threat was stopped. please excuse my typos

  • @yoyoyiggityyo17
    @yoyoyiggityyo17 Před měsícem +20

    I love the way in the ending the way talk about the multiverse is a mistake, a cancer and isnt supposed to exist because its true and thats exactly why crisis was created back in the 80s. Its unfortunate they went back on it

    • @ItsOver9000Productions
      @ItsOver9000Productions Před měsícem +6

      It didn't even last in the comics. not to mention that was only within the comics. Batman 89 aint in the monoverse thats for sure

    • @erg1947
      @erg1947 Před měsícem +6

      Eh in the comics it wasn't that the multiverse wasn't supposed to exist, the problem was the writers felt it had gotten to complicated and that one set timeline would be simplier.

    • @selinawalsh9075
      @selinawalsh9075 Před měsícem

      It's not really true, the Multiverse as a cancer is just a plot point for this film, rather than a condemnation of the concept.

  • @willchurch8376
    @willchurch8376 Před měsícem +6

    Given that the Green Lantern Animated Series managed to put together a decent looking Anti-Monitor, I have no idea why they went the route they did with this movie. They did manage to hit a lot of the important parts of Crisis, including the deaths of Supergirl, Barry and Wonder Woman. However, the Earth 3 destruction actually managed to feel less impressive than the few panels in the original, despite it having a greater focus in part 1. Combining Kara into Harbinger was fantastic, using John for Pariah was another solid move. It was such a mixed bag, but it isn't like the original comic didn't have its share of rather abrupt cameos, like the death of Dove.
    Given his original role in Crisis, I'm very surprised that the Spectre didn't play a more active role in this movie, given his appearances.

  • @joshuagraham1598
    @joshuagraham1598 Před měsícem +44

    This wasn’t crisis on infinite earths. This was “Yeah the ending of Apokalips war was a mistake, we fucked up” the movie.

    • @ItsOver9000Productions
      @ItsOver9000Productions Před měsícem +15

      but then they just did it again lmfao

    • @JohnDanielRay1
      @JohnDanielRay1 Před měsícem +8

      Fucked up in what way? Ending the franchise? Cuz the ending itself was fine

    • @deadpoolf1
      @deadpoolf1 Před měsícem

      Yelp exactly

    • @deadpoolf1
      @deadpoolf1 Před měsícem

      Yelp this was the apokalips war fuck up again

  • @a.k.rundizbeat3212
    @a.k.rundizbeat3212 Před měsícem +5

    That Kevin Conroy and OG animated Justice League John Stewart scenes really hit hard and nostalagic!! Now Jame's Gunn's connective DC universe will fully take over.

  • @electrichat
    @electrichat Před měsícem +31

    So... Owlman was right. It doesn't matter. Nothing matters.

    • @kp1x
      @kp1x Před měsícem

      The mind can still be put to use. Think of ozymandias

    • @ViperPilot16
      @ViperPilot16 Před měsícem +1

      Why did I hear that in his voice lol?

    • @baked7423
      @baked7423 Před měsícem +1

      it's only if u look at things with no nuance. Even if it doesn't matter, we can make it matter

    • @selinawalsh9075
      @selinawalsh9075 Před měsícem

      That's literally the opposite of the point. Because they try, they're able to survive in the monoverse. It matters to try, and even if you don't totally win, it's worth it.

  • @GrayOperative
    @GrayOperative Před měsícem +9

    Yet, no Captain Marvel.
    ...

  • @WyattoonsComics
    @WyattoonsComics Před měsícem +19

    Honestly while I don’t think these movies were bad, they don’t live up to what a Crisis story can be. I know most of it is budget problems and they probably couldn’t afford to do all that they wanted, but still it’s a bit of a let down.

    • @mkno2799
      @mkno2799 Před měsícem +1

      I'm just glad it was better than arrowverse's "crisis of infinite cringe" 😬

    • @kwayneboy1524
      @kwayneboy1524 Před měsícem

      Honestly wasn't perfect but I loved it flaws and all.

    • @kwayneboy1524
      @kwayneboy1524 Před měsícem

      ​@@mkno2799cringe how?

  • @lamborghinimercy5737
    @lamborghinimercy5737 Před měsícem +20

    I didn’t mind this movie because I thought the ending was alright. I just wish the universe didn’t end so soon because I thought it had a ton of potential.

    • @a.k.rundizbeat3212
      @a.k.rundizbeat3212 Před měsícem +9

      They had to end it as James Gunn's DC animated movies will will be connected to the new upcoming movies and video games.

  • @willjohnboy
    @willjohnboy Před měsícem +6

    Thr animation style didn't suit the btas character designs imo also there's no way that was Mark hamills joker despite getting the credit for it, at least Kevin's last words and performance was worthy of his GOAT batman, RIP Kevin the real dark knight.

  • @yaseralaa9320
    @yaseralaa9320 Před měsícem +6

    The anti-monitor is more like Sentinles from X-men:days of future past.

  • @MrKsan05
    @MrKsan05 Před měsícem +1

    I am one of the Biggest Batman fans in the world. Love DC. I was not a fan of the first two Crisis movies and because of it I almost missed out on what was a fantastic show, I'm glad I decided (I have to finish it) to watch it. The Kevin Conroy part was a heartwarming moment on a day we buried my wife's mother, we ended a sad day on a good movie and even though my wife was sad, she too enjoyed the movie. When I bought Batman the animated series, my wife watched it with me and when Kevin Conroy's part came up, she clapped, that made it all the more amazing after the day she has had.
    Great video, Thumbs up.

  • @devangiri7638
    @devangiri7638 Před měsícem +7

    i think with the end of the tomorrow verse, wonder woman essentially created the new james gunn DCU. with the next animated thing being creature commandos connected to dcu

  • @Gantros
    @Gantros Před měsícem +3

    With the announcement of the Watchmen cartoon, I have a sneaking suspicion that an adaptation of Doomsday Clock may be forthcoming, and therefore, a new multiverse.

  • @francescozenocchini4428
    @francescozenocchini4428 Před měsícem +4

    I know that wouldn't be that real but would be kinda cool if is revealed that MAWS universe is the world created after Crisis.

  • @cunningsmile4166
    @cunningsmile4166 Před měsícem +6

    Any of the universes that look like past ones are actually copies of the versions pre-existing in the normal multiverse.

  • @TevyaSmolka
    @TevyaSmolka Před měsícem +11

    Great review man and honestly as for me this movie was disappointing and very very disappointing adaptation of crisis on infinite earths because come on you had the source material right there and instead doing the story justice this story movie decided say screw it let’s do are own story which isn’t great in my opinion.

  • @steeltownweb
    @steeltownweb Před měsícem +1

    They really took the age old question "If you could go back in time and kill Hitler, would you" and all the paradox implications and just ran with it.
    Surprisingly good show.
    RIP Kevin Conroy

  • @MayanFrighter100000
    @MayanFrighter100000 Před měsícem +2

    I will never forget those moments when we saw Super Friends, DCAU, and Teen Titans 2003 universe being destroyed was mighty, amazing, and beautifully tragic. It gave me vibes of Attack on Titan and the death of Liberio and Marley during the Rumbling and Death of Hange. I wish this movie had more time to cook and we got more time with Super Friends, DCAU, and 2003 Teen Titan before they were destroyed but what I got makes me happy.

  • @lunarhinata8889
    @lunarhinata8889 Před měsícem +5

    Wonderwoman could sacrifice herslef cause she is immortal but john couldn't, isn't he also immortal??

    • @qntoniia
      @qntoniia Před měsícem +3

      She’s truly immortal he isn’t he can still die

    • @Solitaire001
      @Solitaire001 Před měsícem

      @@qntoniia Plus, based on the dialog it seems like John Constantine exists outside of the Multiverse, and has been around before the Universe came into existence. Thus, he wasn't able to enter the new Singular Universe.

  • @jflexy1344
    @jflexy1344 Před měsícem +6

    to all the people thinking that the universe's of shows like dcau and teen titan are gone...... no they're not they're just alternate universe's cause if the universe of the dcau truely ended there how come shows like batman:beyond exist.

    • @shaanwayne815
      @shaanwayne815 Před měsícem

      Exactly everything that happened in this movie just closed everything that dcamu and tomorrowverse, it does not dictate neither what happened to the other universes neither the promised future of having only 1 single universe. Those were all just pointless but added to the movie just to make it look cool.
      Ofcourse there will not only be 1 universe because gunn said that there will be elseworld projects too. So the ending pointless apart from closure.
      I don't even think that they're going to do a new animated movie universe

    • @rossjones8426
      @rossjones8426 Před měsícem

      The same reason in comics the Legion of Superheroes had Superboy after comics crisis on infinite earths it was copied into a pocket dimension

    • @kp1x
      @kp1x Před měsícem +1

      If they killed teen titans universe and dcamu universe, why are they still on my bookshelf?
      Get the point I’m trying to make? They killed it from the canon so they can respectfully retain their value without future dc writers shamelessly plugging it apart of of their multiverse story

  • @trexadvent4726
    @trexadvent4726 Před měsícem +4

    How's the Anti-Monitor or the Black giant in this movie compared to his counterpart from the Arrowverse?

  • @superby1
    @superby1 Před měsícem +2

    I enjoyed it. It's a step up from part two. If I had a complaint (besides the anti-monitor), almost everything seemed tied up except for one thing: back in the Justice Society movie we saw a young man in prison with Superman's suit. I figured that was Kamandi, but it was never followed up on. I thought it would be here.

  • @lammal412
    @lammal412 Před měsícem +1

    So they took away Dr. Light's key role in destroying the Anti-Monitor and gave it to Supergirl. And it doesn't seem that she got the character development from Supergirl's death, either. They wasted the entire point of her being given powers, then. PITIFUL.

  • @jayp1286
    @jayp1286 Před měsícem +3

    Are you kidding me? First of all they completely undid Kara's sacrifice and the entire reason behind giving so much time to Psycho Pirate. Why didnt Supergirl jusy go get the Miracle machine in the first place? And why would the universe all of a sudden split because Darkseid was murdered? Absolutely trash writing all across the board. Only reason worth seeing this movie is to hear, the best Batman there ever was say a line, RIP Kevin Conroy. Aside from that little moment this had the stench of DEI hires rewriting an already existing story, so they could call it theirs while they burn everything that came before them to the ground. Only problem is they ruined it like they do everything else. How do you undermine a heroic sacrifice of that magnitude, by a woman no less, with such a stupid Deus Ex Machina?

  • @StephenLeGresley
    @StephenLeGresley Před měsícem +5

    I like your videos and I respect you as a youtuber but I have to disagree.
    I understand that adaptations make changes, that the nature of the process but they typically don't completely change the story they are adapted from and aside from the names and most basic elements this does not resemble at all the source story. And thats not even bringing up the lazy fan service and key jangling. It was better then The Flash movie's attempt but not by much.
    And it's not like we haven't already had an adaptation that heavily deviated from the OG in the CW attempt.
    I would use X-Men: TAS as an example where you can make minor changes to a story and keep it mostly intact. A good example of this is their handling of the Phoenix and Dark Phoenix Sagas. They didn't change things as much as they just knew when to leave certain elements out.

  • @AchillesOnYT
    @AchillesOnYT Před měsícem

    Kevin Conroy: "And if it has to end at least I go out like this, being Batman"
    NOW THATS HOW YOU END A CHARACTER ROCKSTEADY!

  • @ziggyu3667
    @ziggyu3667 Před měsícem +2

    nice review man. tomorrowverse was nice while it lasted and we got to see all our favorites in a situation that required them all in one room. Seeing the universes we know and love perish was super crazy and the punches landed. super curios to what dc has coming next

  • @StareachValcin
    @StareachValcin Před měsícem +2

    Personally, I did think that this film and the tomorrowverse in general were good. I also love Kevin Conroy's last role as Batman. I did wish that Superman was utilized more and better during the crisis since he was the starting point of the tomorrowverse. I also wished that Superman and Supergirl had more family moments in the tomorrowverse, as it would have made her death and Superman's reaction all the more impactful. While it was sad to see many DC universes destroyed, there's still hope that they could still be a part of the new universe made by the miracle machine. We did see Terry's Batman go through after all. Not to mention that despite Wonder Woman sacrificing herself, a version of Wonder Woman exists in the new universe.

  • @maximusprime3459
    @maximusprime3459 Před měsícem +15

    It was the animated equivilant of a shoulder shrug. So thats twice now, DC/Warner failed to adapt what has to be one of the greatest stories ever told in comics.

    • @jackdobrowolsky
      @jackdobrowolsky Před měsícem +6

      Let’s not even count the first one because it was made by the CW and by that point every show had fallen off both DC and non DC shows

    • @willchurch8376
      @willchurch8376 Před měsícem +1

      @@jackdobrowolsky Honestly, CW Crisis was incredibly ambitious for what they were capable of. They might have done better if they A) eliminated the 'Paragon' nonsense, B) didn't waste Brandon's Superman, C) didn't waste whatever that was they were doing with Jim Corrigan and D) added another episode to give them more time to develop the parts they clearly rushed.

    • @jackdobrowolsky
      @jackdobrowolsky Před měsícem

      @@willchurch8376 they tried but it wasn’t successful and they actually contacted every actor and actress who has ever been in DC if they wanted to come back. Some stuff they needed like Paragon

    • @willchurch8376
      @willchurch8376 Před měsícem +1

      @@jackdobrowolsky Paragon was absolutely not needed. Weakest part of the entire story, made no sense for very new characters like Batwoman, and tied up their showtime when they could have been doing things like developing the Oliver/Spectre connection. Given the limitation on the characters available to them, the CW Crisis was probably a lot closer to the plot of the original Crisis than this movie was, but Paragon was a big old miss.

  • @notjustanother3191
    @notjustanother3191 Před měsícem

    Question saying fuck your new world of lies and leaving was the most Question shit I have ever seen. Gigachad energy until the end.
    That and Luther not being able to have a plan that doesn't kill Superman was hilarious.

  • @jakeharmon542
    @jakeharmon542 Před měsícem

    The only thing that really bothered me about the Tomorrowverse was the lack of Raven and Starfire. A core character in Apokolips War and two of the few survivors appear as either a cameo to die or just not at all. They could have used both of them in some way

  • @gamerzilla6113
    @gamerzilla6113 Před měsícem +3

    Actually DCAU is multiverse not single universe. Main/Prime universe is called Earth-12 also Young Justice universe is Earth-16. Every Bruce Timm styled elseworld movies and shows are part of this multiverse like Gods and Monsters.

  • @ScrubDaddy265
    @ScrubDaddy265 Před měsícem +1

    The thing that is odd about how people are interpreting this series is that it is somehow separate from the DCAU-Timmverse. It is designed as an homage to the last 70 years of DC animation and a positive ending for the DCAU of the last decade that adapted the New 52. But if you watch MAWS you see that nothing is over. It’s the Birth, Death, Rebirth Cycle mythology. I’m only disappointed that Batman and Aquaman from The Brave and the Bold never showed up to utter a somber, “Outrageous.”

  • @leonsquall4195
    @leonsquall4195 Před měsícem +1

    Am I crazy but everyone is saying that was mark hamil voicing joker but unless I'm taking crazy pills or mark phoned it in that is NOT him, sure it's his joker but that is not his voice. Also am I the only one that assumed Kevin conroys batman was the same Batman from the justice league/unlimited and superman series, so why was it 2 different worlds?

  • @featherguardian6023
    @featherguardian6023 Před měsícem +2

    9 out of 10, sure this Trilogy isn’t Perfect and you can tell that in some Areas they cut some Corners in the Animation BUT this was a Enjoyable Ride, the Characters were Great, the Stakes and Sacrifices felt High, it finishes the Build Up from Apokalips War and the Tomorrowverse that it makes sense Darkseid is a Fix Point as even in the Comics he’s a Force we can’t get rid of and it would explain why Good Characters have become Evil later on, it’s a Emotional Farewell for Kevin Conroy and probably Mark Hamill for the Last Time, the Character Progression is Very Good, and the Kameos are Nostalgia Done Right, all in all a Much Better Crisis than the CW Monstrosity.

  • @user-ey6eh3bx4z
    @user-ey6eh3bx4z Před měsícem +2

    feeling bad for john constantine

  • @WickedFireBird69
    @WickedFireBird69 Před měsícem +2

    I feel like your theory of a self contained multiverse holds up. My evidence is two animated shows/movies that still exist and we're not connected to this plot at all: My Adventures With Superman and Young Justice. Both of these animated properties are slated for new seasons and continues forward beyond this storyline.

    • @1993digifan
      @1993digifan Před měsícem +1

      Oh, so when YJ S5 coming out?

    • @WickedFireBird69
      @WickedFireBird69 Před měsícem

      @@1993digifan who cares that show has sucked since season 2. I'm more interested in why they didn't show the Teen Titans Go universe being destroyed.

    • @1993digifan
      @1993digifan Před měsícem

      @@WickedFireBird69 Because TTG HAS confirmed to have a Darkseid and the only universes that were targeted were the versions where Darkseid died as a baby. Plus with TTG minor 4th Wall breaking they would easily have just retconned Darkseid into their universe. Basically with the insanity of the universe it would be pulled off the chopping block by filling in the criteria that's needed to survive.

  • @Therealjoker44
    @Therealjoker44 Před měsícem +2

    Wow its been 11 years since the dcamu started i cant believe it and now its over💔😢

  • @epicphail2926
    @epicphail2926 Před měsícem +4

    10:33 is the Teen Titans show from 2003. Thus Earth-2003

  • @HW-iz6zv
    @HW-iz6zv Před měsícem +2

    Maybe it’s just me but why was Lois lane so present like what purpose did she serve? Also having Razor and Aya there without Hal Jordan felt so weird to me as they had a whole tv show

  • @noneed4me2n7
    @noneed4me2n7 Před měsícem

    hard to see the BTAS and the other JLU members getting blinked out. wish they’d had more lines for the voice actors from those shows. also enjoyed the continuity from the other DCAU films and shows. gonna miss my favorite batman rip Kevin. was touching seeing hawkgirl and John share a final kiss before the end.

  • @thee_morpheus
    @thee_morpheus Před měsícem +1

    Glad the Green Lanterns did something very OP in blocking an anti matter wave. Green Lanterns and Nightwing are usually punching bags

    • @Solitaire001
      @Solitaire001 Před měsícem

      One thing they missed was with Razer there his blue ring would supercharge the Green Lantern Rings, making them much more powerful.

  • @hanifameen4056
    @hanifameen4056 Před měsícem +1

    I like how darkseid is a fixed point. Someone who must exist. Also love how Flash didn't just run back in time and like move a chair and change the universe. He unintentionally killed darkseid changing everything. Also at the end Who the hell let joker walk through that portal😂😂😂😂😂😂.

  • @eyy8298
    @eyy8298 Před měsícem +1

    I think there's some justice on the green lantern, especially the 2012 series, where their story sti actually continued by cameo the characters in some of their other shows like young justice where Razer was seen in the last season still looking for Aya, and in this crisis part three, at long last they finally got back to each other.

  • @thatjackass1403
    @thatjackass1403 Před měsícem +2

    AYYYY Razor finally found Aya that's nice

  • @ShockwaveFPSStudios
    @ShockwaveFPSStudios Před měsícem +12

    I really hate Crisis on Infinite Earths Part 3, I wholeheartedly disagree with everything in the video. Maybe it’s because I was in an emotional breakdown, scratch that I did have an emotional breakdown. Unlike the original Crisis on Infinite Earths comic, where it made sense to destroy multiple universes, the movie just creates more problems then it already has. I swear, most people only like it because it’s Kevin Conroy’s last outing. And while I do like that moment, it completely ignores what’s happening in the rest of the movie.

    • @maximusprime3459
      @maximusprime3459 Před měsícem +5

      The script is a mess altogether. A bunch of characters appear and disappear randomly. A lot of things happen with little to no explaination.

    • @Doctor_Glados
      @Doctor_Glados Před měsícem +2

      Yes exactly. This movie is such a mess...
      Take out the nostalgia and any other emotional context and it's objectively terribly put together. Characters mouth moving but no sound, awkward scene transition I mean you could write an essay about how bad it is.

    • @TheJusDon
      @TheJusDon Před měsícem

      The scene with all of the green lanterns and the guy taking control of everyone’s mind that last time just to do nothing and watch as Martian manHunter blasts the anti monitor made no sense.

    • @kwayneboy1524
      @kwayneboy1524 Před měsícem

      Eh too each their own I actually thought it was fun

  • @mindlesstheory1503
    @mindlesstheory1503 Před měsícem

    Nobody is taking about "the question".... That dude is badass, i love that guy because the scene

  • @laffywaffy1989
    @laffywaffy1989 Před měsícem +1

    Im totally upset alot of my characters and universes are gone like the super friends and og animated shows i grew up watching. Since everyone is being reborn in earth prime i hope they bring in an animated version of Superboy prime in future if ever probably won't since he is part of Earth prime

  • @drae1976
    @drae1976 Před 19 dny

    This movie was epic. I was expecting it to be blah at the end like so many other shows we get (HOTG, GOT, etc) but this had a great conclusion.

  • @MatthewK122
    @MatthewK122 Před měsícem +5

    There is no Mark Hamill Joker

    • @WellnessWarriors9
      @WellnessWarriors9 Před měsícem +2

      He sounds different, but Mark Hamil's name was in the ending credits.

  • @surendrannair9825
    @surendrannair9825 Před 24 dny

    Man, I Hope If There Is A New Animated Universe I Hope John Constantine Is There In It. He Was One Of The The Few Characters That Made Me Fall In Love With The Dcamu

  • @G1Grimlock94
    @G1Grimlock94 Před měsícem +1

    RIP Kevin Conroy

  • @Outlier999
    @Outlier999 Před měsícem

    DC tried eliminating the multiverse years ago. It didn't work. Someday it will bring it back. It lets us explore stories we will never see on "Earth One," like a romance between Superman and Wonder Woman. Bring it back. The sooner, the better.

  • @matth881
    @matth881 Před měsícem

    Will there be an “all the characters who appeared in Crisis” video for part 3??

  • @jvanek8512
    @jvanek8512 Před měsícem

    09:53 I thought they didn't want to be cowards and run while their earth was destroyed is how I understood it.

  • @MeryoQuestion
    @MeryoQuestion Před měsícem +2

    If crisis its adapted someday on james gunn DCu it probably would be more like dark crisis or infinite crisis, the chances of adapting dark crisis instead of crisis on infinite earths its big since crisis on infinite earths was already adapted in animation and live action tv series, and in the live action movies the villain would be darkseid instead of anti monitor

  • @jesusmercado7015
    @jesusmercado7015 Před měsícem +1

    In arrow verse they merged all the main show universes to earth prime but they also restored the mutiverse but they can't visit the other universes or didn't have a chance to rediscover them

  • @thefastesthedgehog6795
    @thefastesthedgehog6795 Před měsícem

    Look at Godzilla minus one. It does not matter about budget. It is how it is allocated

  • @trexadvent4726
    @trexadvent4726 Před měsícem +3

    How big of a character was Barry Allen Flash in this movie compared to how he was in the comics where he disappeared into the Speed Force sacrificing himself trying to stop the Anti-Monitor?

    • @ItsOver9000Productions
      @ItsOver9000Productions Před měsícem +2

      he's literally not in this movie lmfao, he dies in part 1 or 2 and we only see an old man barry from the future for like 30 seconds and DCAMU Barry in the wrong artstyle with no dialogue in a flashback of what happened to the DCAMU Darkseid.

    • @willchurch8376
      @willchurch8376 Před měsícem

      There was no 'speed force' concept at the time Barry destroyed Anti-Monitor's anti-matter cannon. He died. Later, again, before the speed force concept, it was revealed that he ran himself back through his entire life and became the lightning bolt that gave him his powers to begin with.

    • @Solitaire001
      @Solitaire001 Před měsícem

      @@willchurch8376 Plus, the technique Barry used to destroy the Anti-Monitor's cannon was a technique that he learned from another speedster. It allows a speedster to destroy anything within the circle but it also kills the speedster.

    • @willchurch8376
      @willchurch8376 Před měsícem

      @@Solitaire001 What are you talking about? The only 'other speedsters' at the time were Jay and guys like Superman, Captain Marvel, etc. Wally had lost his speed, Reverse Flash was dead...Barry invented most of the speed 'techniques' in comics at the time.
      In CoIE 8, we see Flash run in and the machine explodes as he turns into a skeleton and vanishes. There's no talk of technique or anything of the sort, and unless you count Barry 'copying' Jay's techniques that he learned in the comics, no one taught Barry to run in a circle, he was creating whirlwinds back in the 60s.
      In Secret Origins Annual 2, we see that Flash realizes the canon is powered by a tachyon, and he strains himself to the limit to catch it, going back through time to become the lightning bolt that gave him his powers.
      It is a serious question by the way, not just a 'you're wrong shut up' comment. I'd be very interested in knowing more about where you got this information.

    • @Solitaire001
      @Solitaire001 Před měsícem

      @@willchurch8376 It was in a story from one of "The Flash" Annuals. IIRC, The Flash (Barry Allen) was on another planet and met a speedster there. He saw that speedster use that technique to save a number of lives, but the problem was that once a speedster starts to use it it can't be stopped. That's why when I saw Barry's death in the original "Crisis on Infinite Earths" it reminded me of that story.
      The Annual also said that the top speed for both Barry and Jay was the speed of light, but the difference was that Barry can reach top speed faster, but Jay can maintain top speed longer. However, with all of the continuity changes it is likely that is no longer the case...just like it could be the case with the story I mentioned.

  • @trexadvent4726
    @trexadvent4726 Před měsícem +1

    What would have happened if Batman had the Element-X Batsuit, Hellbat Batsuit and the Insider Suit to use against the Anti-Monitor?

  • @thegreatacolyt1277
    @thegreatacolyt1277 Před měsícem +1

    Rest in peace THE BATMAN

  • @FineboyD.
    @FineboyD. Před měsícem

    Finally Dc got away with killing Baby Darkseid, which Marvel should done for thanos

  • @samuelwanzio4703
    @samuelwanzio4703 Před měsícem +2

    Is the new world the dcu? If so does that mean the flash is Wally west?

  • @blaisexrusso
    @blaisexrusso Před měsícem +1

    The tomorrowverse had potential and had a great artstyle its just that it was rushed

  • @JoelMiller431
    @JoelMiller431 Před měsícem +2

    Tomorrowverse Main Villains Ranked
    _Two-Face (HONORABLE MENTION)_
    1. Gilda Dent/Holiday
    2. Brainiac
    3. Rudy Jones/Parasite
    4. Charles Halstead/Advisor/Doctor Spectro/Psycho-Pirate
    5. Anti-Monitor
    6. E-1 Lex Luthor
    7. Hal Jordan/Parallax
    _Mon-El (HONORABLE MENTION)_
    8. Sinestro
    9. Mongul

    • @willchurch8376
      @willchurch8376 Před měsícem

      Lex Luthor was more impressive than Anti-Monitor was in his own movie. I can't believe you rate him higher than any of the ones you listed.

  • @purplespark8
    @purplespark8 Před 26 dny

    I'm interested to know what happens to the characters that didn't cross the portal, like Question and Constantine.
    Also, what does crossing into the portal even mean? Like, what about regular people, as they never got to cross?

  • @srstriker6420
    @srstriker6420 Před měsícem +2

    I thought there would be an army of supervillains

  • @DarthPlato
    @DarthPlato Před měsícem

    The movie part 3 erred when showcasing the other animated universes in them being destroyed by the Crisis. Yes, it's insensitive, but it's also contradictory. The movie stated that Darkseid only existed in one universe; yet, the Superfriends and JL Unlimited universes also had their own version of Darkseid. That's contradiction.

  • @dominiqueeubanks7691
    @dominiqueeubanks7691 Před měsícem

    10:20 I definitely with JLU got more recognition in these films but seeing them have me a nice sense of nostalgia as well. My childhood needed that, but was also sad at how it played out 20 seconds later lol

  • @Heil-Haidra2319
    @Heil-Haidra2319 Před 6 dny

    At least this didn't pissed me off like Apokolips War did. I find this ending to be acceptable, not bad, but it could have been better had their been more time and a better budget.

  • @JamesP145
    @JamesP145 Před měsícem

    As much hate as the DCAMU got, I think we can say they did really well by comparison. I always loved it and was confused by the hate they got because they were able to give so many characters screen time and development, which in itself extended the universe even if they didn’t get a movie. Tomorrowverse as a whole was just rushed on so many levels

  • @connorwalker8927
    @connorwalker8927 Před 15 dny

    But who is the girl standing next to Adam Strange? I cannot for the life of me find a reference to her no matter where I look.

  • @jasperxmaster9703
    @jasperxmaster9703 Před měsícem

    I just wished they had Hal instead of john in this movie. Especially when it was Hal who had history with razor & Aya.

  • @privatedonut2914
    @privatedonut2914 Před měsícem

    Confused by you not wanting John there? The Lanterns seemed pretty solid.

  • @jorgesjose
    @jorgesjose Před měsícem

    Began waaaaaaaay before flashpoint brother

  • @Mary_Puppins
    @Mary_Puppins Před měsícem +14

    I'm surprised you liked it, I really didn't like it. I can't get over how awful the design for Anti-Monitor is
    But I respect your opinion since you are more well-versed on DC than me ofc

    • @NightRunner2099
      @NightRunner2099 Před měsícem +2

      I guess it's somewhat justified because of how different this irritation of the character is. However, I'm with you. Not the biggest fan of it. As for the rest of the movie, it was enjoyable enough for me.

    • @lewisaino
      @lewisaino Před měsícem

      I bet the design was since the Uni would end why care about the design

    • @mkno2799
      @mkno2799 Před měsícem

      ​@@NightRunner2099agree, his OG design was timeless. But I think we can all agre it was a hell of a lot better than the arrowverse.

  • @user-de1nz1tl6o
    @user-de1nz1tl6o Před měsícem

    I was genuinely smiling when i saw the 2003 teen titans, even if it was just the tower.