Nonduality and the Shadow with Ellen Emmet
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- čas přidán 31. 07. 2024
- @ellenemmet is a psychotherapist, facilitator of Authentic Movement, and offers meetings in The Awakening Body: Yoga meditations in the tradition of #nonduality and Kashmir Shaivism that she learnt from her teachers Francis Lucille and Eric Baret. She offers webinars and residential retreats.
Her offering is an exploration of our true nature at the level of tactility and feelings, but also an inquiry into the hidden corners of the psyche to invite more wholeness into our lives. More specifically, The Awakening Body meetings focus on the body, “allowing it to be our mirror and our pathway, our prayer and our altar, and ultimately the shining expression of this shared identity.”
Our conversation explores the complex topic of nonduality and the shadow. Ellen’s growing intuition matched my own, that nondual teachings can often be used as a way to escape difficult emotions or feelings, or even disown the body, and overlook or avoid the shadow. With training in #jungianpsychology, including working directly with Jungian analyst Marion Woodman, Ellen brings wisdom and openness to exploring this oversight.
Topics include connecting to the wisdom of the body, relational alchemy, the pain of separation, nonduality as a hiding place, ever-present nature of peace, the path of devotion, the role of the divine feminine, and ways to avoid ego inflation.
00:00 Intro
07:00 Approaching the Shadow
12:00 Psychology and Fortifying Ego
22:00 Direct Path vs. Progressive Path
33:00 Relational Alchemy
41:00 Courage and the Interpersonal Dimension
50:00 Listening to the Body's Wisdom
1:00:00 Devotion, Mystery, and Wholeness
How beautiful, I feel that Ellen got out of that whole sh..... more clear and inline with herself.
Frank Stella, the American artist, (fl. 1940-1970 ?) once said in an interview, when asked what he thought of art as therapy, " Art doesn't cure anybody...unless there is nothing much wrong with them to begin with." I guess we can say the same with regard to expecting nondual realization to cure deep rooted psychic complexes and other such issues...
This was excellent… I will watch again. You are such a warm and intelligent presence… both of you. So human! Such a balm in these polarized, contracted times. A million thank yous.
2:58 suffering and seeking and visa versa.
My experience has occasioned immense suffering FROM seeking.
Jesus Christ.the non dual path is fraught with frustration, confusion, even despair, and even suicidality.
I’ve been doing this with no 1 x 1 support for 9 years after being struck sober after 35 years of chronic alcoholism and drug addiction.
My primary path is 12 step which unfolded into non duality, although I was reading Ram Dass when I was 15.
Anyway, I’m only a couple minutes in but so far so good.
I don’t believe in coincidences, so I must be here watching this for a purpose.
Love Francis, and Klein.
I desperately pray to heal from,
and be released from,
the prison of:
- poverty
- aches and pains
- an inflexible mind and body
- diabetes
- PTSD flashbacks
- (c)PTSD
- suicidal depression
- homicidal rage
- grief
- guilt
- regret
- loneliness
- heartache/heartbreak
- repression/suppression
- soul rape
- a silenced voice
- a lack of boundaries
- perpetual aloneness
- obesity
- trauma
- obsession/rumination
- the past
- spiritual attacks and curses
I love this conversation! I’ve wrestled with these thoughts myself, how to reconcile the spiritual world with the “real world” aka 3D earthly human experiences and things that are very real to our human experience such as neurochemistry and trauma responses etc etc.
One thought that comes to mind while listening to this is that in non-religious spiritual communities there is a tendency to think of oneself as almost “better” than someone who is religious by having a more conscious view of the world/the collective, as the ego will grab onto anything it can and does in fact hook onto spirituality just as much as it does religion. We’ve probably all had experiences with people who know the Bible (or other religious texts) front and back but their actions do not align with their mental knowledge. The same can happen with spirituality.
I get what she’s saying too about the “knowing” not being cerebral. I’ve had some of those experiences where it’s like this sudden “whoa” feeling and feeling like my consciousness expanded but it wasn’t through thoughts but rather through an experience that is nearly impossible to put into words.
So many other thoughts I could share in response to this. What a beautiful interview! Loved listening to this.
Fascinating, Steph, thank you for sharing 🙏🏻.
I feel the same as you. I have big question mark about how the so-called modern spiritual path continually bumps up against, well, the raw messy human experience. And if you turn to spirituality due to poor mental health, such as myself, you can jump from one sense of not being "normal," in terms of everyday happiness, to a sense of not being spiritual, or frozen out of bliss or joy or enlightenment. Realising the misconception around that, along with the unreliable rhetoric from so-called "advanced" teachers who bypass the messiness to present a specific persona, is liberating.
Fully agree with the ego hijacking, too. I often reflect on what qualities keep your feet on the ground as you experience more of the ineffable and the divine. Humility and honesty are two foundational practices to avoid that temptation to pedestal oneself as superior. It's also a shame that religions are dismissed due to dogma surrounding them, because there's so much gold, and modern spirituality can lack the direction, structure, and stability of organised traditions.
Always happy to hear more thoughts!
Wow, yes, all that. ❤
@@MindThatEgoand yes to you too, my same thoughts and experiences.
Thanks for being the mirror with which my own stuff could be articulated for me.
Modern non-dual teachers often stumbled onto enlightenment almost by accident. It either just happened to them out of the blue, after four or five years of nastiness, or after four or five years of meditation that wasn't particularly hard. They were all predisposed to enlightenment, whether through genetics, a small karmic load, what have you.
They therefore often seem to have little idea of how to make their enlightenment available to everyone else who is stuck up in the messiness and insane complexity of life - trauma, mental health issues, addiction etc.
It's easy to ensnare people in these teachings, whether the teachers mean to or not. And almost all of them have very good intentions. But so many people listen to their teachings and then think they are progressing along, getting enlightened, all is a dream, all is illusory - but they aren't actually getting anywhere. Every question you ask their students is sidestepped by "Who is asking this question?" "It's all a dream", and so on.
On the other hand, the appeal of the non-dualists is a response to the incredible complexity, difficulty, and huge cultural barriers to entry of the traditional paths. The traditions at least have systemic paths, but they make equally unrealistic demands on people - 20 years of hardcore meditation or not a hope in hell of enlightenment, you need to find a qualified teacher even though they are rare and good luck getting close to one - not going to happen for eight billion of us.
So both paths are living in a fantasyland.
We will start getting real results for a mass audience when we combine modern scientific rigour, neuroscience and neurotech, psychedelics, artificial intelligence, everything into producing the best path we can possibly come up with. And this has to happen. If it doesn't, with all the destructive forces at work in the world, our civilization is going to go right off a cliff. And we have decades t do this, not centuries. We waited too long for a revolution in spirituality, for many reasons. So we have a lot of catching up to do.
@@squamish4244 very, very well said.
yeah this show is important to every Truth Seeker, no matter if you are more into Ramana, Nisargadata, Francis or else, this view is much broader and integrative and releasing than what some people think about our non dual awakening is. Ty!
Excellent, thanks.
Thank you for so much. For naming it.
Thank you.
"we are graced witth a rememberance that all is well"
Great
This is great. Everything is made welcome and included. Nothing is outside of That.
A🥰😘🤩Alan finally has got a daytime job😍😘🥰🍒
grab for one of those spiritual truths LOL... hijacking universal consciousness!!!! THIS