You're one of the first content creators I've seen properly explain the anti-synergy between adre/CD/Mass/EP. Thanks for that, because it's basic knowledge that very few people have on European servers.
Hello, M&S. I believe most meta builds for Dark Moon are NM. However, if you're going for Hallu, is it better to go Full Swift (Adre3, EP1) or 50/50 (CD3, Adre1)? Wondering which yields a higher DPS output in case you've been able to test it.
If you are going to use over lv.9~10 cooldown gems, 50/50 (Cd/adre1) is better. If you are going to use cooldown gems under 9, you should give full swiftness for higher dps+fluent rotation. When you use under 9, you must use riddle spinning before you enter dark moon mode which leads to dps loss. To be frank, if you just want the highest dps using over lv.9 cooldown gems, Nightmare will be a better choice. That's why most ppl who use hallucination just run full swiftness.
So for the Engraving Support: - Hallu Spec SE: Would you a go HM as a 5th Engraving till you can make a +1 with adrenaline (the second option at 04:05 or equip adrenaline as a 5th?
For the Full Moon build, with Nightmare. Is it a Boundless Mana class? What is the DPS difference between Nightmare and Hallucination? Why is it controversial?
First of all, Full moon uses boundless mana, but magic addiction must be on when identity is on. It's important for soul eater to manage mana efficiently for fluent rotation. For example, if you are using Nightmare, there are two major things you must remember. 1. Trigger reduction of cooldown for quicker rotation (DPS without its identity does not matter for Full moon) 2. Reach full mana sustaining 6 stacks adrenaline for magic addiction effect. Then use 3 main skills after activating identity. As you can see, Soul eater can use Nightmare build efficiently for quick & strong rotation. For the second question, result of Nightmare build & Hallucination build looks similar, but the process is different. 1. Advantage of Nightmare : Quicker rotation than Hallucination (Even though you don't have high level cooldown gems) 2. Disadvantage of Nightmare : Low Crit chance (around 60~70%). However, this disadvantage can be solved after the Elixer update. 3. Advantage of Hallucination : High Crit chance even though you don't have Elixer yet + Can use Lv.1 adrenaline instead of Lv.1 Ether predator 4. Disadvantage of Hallucination : Need high level cooldown gems for quick rotation My personal recommendation is Nightmare, but you can use Hallucination if you hate Lv.1 ether predator (or low Crit) or if you are going to use at least Lv.9 cooldown gems
thanks for your deep details, but I need 1 more thing that u didn't answered. for Dark moon build u explained about gem requirement, but what about Full moon? for fluent rotation do we need full gem level 10 CD or just on some skills? Fx for surge rotation u just need level 8 Cd on maelstorm and with rest level 7 and +1800 spec u can get 20 stacks in 12 sec. what about SoulEater? as far as our main dmg skills CD reset with our reaper mode so can u explain about gem CD requirement for fluent rotation? Thanks
Alright. I get what you mean. We didn't talk about the rotation in this video as we already introduced the build at our previous guide. To answer your question, soul eater need to wait for cooldown if CD gems get lower. Rotation : Lunatic edge--> Ult--> Vestige Asteroth--> Death order--> Soul drain--> Guillotine--> Soul sinners Glutney--> Lunatic edge--> Vestige (You wait at this moment for cooldown) Asteroth--> Death order--> Soul drain--> Vestige--> Z Even though you have Lv.7 CD gems and activated boundless mana effect, you need to wait for 2~3 seconds. If you use over Lv.9 rotation will be more fluent, but the difference is around 1~2 seconds.
There were ppl using spec+swift before 1540 in order to reach full efficiency of RC. However, you should go spec+crit for the max dps. There's no need to use spec+swift.
Is 650 swift a hard requirement? A lot of the people on loawa playing full crit dark moon have 620-640 swift Also, how does the full crit dark moon build interact with nightmare set bonus? Does it want to stay in magic addiction or does it use boundless as well? Nice video thanks
To answer your question 1. 650 is not easy for average players. 30~50 (basic stat), max 500 (necklace with 100 quality), max 120 (bracelet). Therefore, you need basic stats along with end setting to reach 650. 2. Full Crit normally use magic addiction for high Dps. That's why they use both Nightmare and C/J runes. When supporters increase mana recovery with their skills, it's easy to sustain with the given setting:)
Yeah you need a pretty nice neck and bracelet to get up to 650 secondary, I think I will be happy with around 630-640 :) And good to know about the set, that sounds quite chill to play then - thanks! @@MnS-Studio
There is a build with Lv.1 Super charge (definitely not Lv.3). I think it's okay, but it cannot be applied on Guillotine swing which is the strongest skill. That's why I don't recommend ppl to use super charge
Which one is BETTER though between the two specs, or are they legit the same DPS potential? Trying to do my research but this is my last hurrah on lost ark if the class ends up flopping. Putting all my gold into it. I will push it past 1600 fast, so i dont care about anything prior to 1590 setups.
In case of Full Moon, build with the highest DPS potential is Nightmare (1800 spec 650 Crit). The only drawback of Nightmare is that it has lower Crit rate compared to Hallucination build. However, as you said you are going to reach 1600 quick, you can see the highest DPS if you get additional Crit from your engravings, bracelet, and Elixer. (97 stone with Lv.2 adrenaline + Precision 3~5% bracelet + 40 point Elixer 7%) Feel free to ask if you have more questions:)
Hit master is not recommended to night's edge because major skills do have back attack advantage. Also, hit master is not applied on Ult which means it has lower efficiency compared to Cursed doll :)
Before 1580, there's really no need. Use lv. 7 cooldown gems. However, if you are planning to raise over 1600 after the Voldis update, I recommend using at least lv. 8 Cd gems (9 if you can). Level 10 gems are needed only when you are not satisfied with your rotation:)
Dark moon is not back attacker, but can gain benefit hitting back (Half backattack like Mayhem berserker) Almost half of main & sub skills have back attack advantage on them (+10% crit chance & +5% damage) Therefore, you need to try to hit back attack even though it's not 100% back attacker. Furthermore, you can ask why dark moon does not use Master of ambush. It's same with Hit master. Master of ambush engraving does not work well as half of main & sub skills are not back attack. That's why dark moon cannot use both HM & MA.
Is C/J a must for Dark moon? How it its with high CD gems? Also interessing to see that you use 1 green 4 grey and 3 purple skills. Most of the time I see like a 2 / 4 /2 setup. Also for the +1 by dark moon. Do you not have to much crit o why adril+1 and not ether pre. +1?
breathe buddy, guides for the new class aren't going anywhere. you're already drooling over yourself when she isnt coming out for another month and a half
Let me help you out with your questions Q: Is C/J a must for dark moon? A: Yes, definitely. Hallucination lacks mana. Nightmare should sustain mana over 30% (Normally full Crit builds sustain mana) --> Also, C/J is really needed as you use level 7 cooldown jams or more. Q: Is this a new build with 1/4/3 setup? A: No, but it is one of the builds many rankers use nowadays in KR server. 2/4/2 setup commonly can be seen on Hallucination build with full swiftness. Q: Is Lv.1 adrenaline better than Lv.1 ether predator? A: Yes, it's better for dark moon. There are some reasons. 1. Provides more Crit chance 2. Increases efficiency of KBW 3. Less stress than ether predator 4. Damage increase is similar with over 20 stacks of ether predator + you need to reach x30 to be better than Lv.1 adrenaline (But it takes time to stack) -->Efficiency of power increase of ether predator reduces as you already use Lv.3 Cursed doll
@@MnS-Studio @zackerywang9798 But Mass Increase is Attack Power 18% and Cursed Doll is Attack Power 16% both are Atttack Power not Damage Power So replacing Mass Incrase to Cursed Doll wouldnt do anyhitng right? just lower the Attack Power %, i have full swift so the attack speed reduction doesnt do anyhting for me on Mass Increase
@@WetSquid I asked one of my friends who played ps shadow hunter for a long time and I totally get what you mean. I don't know if you are using Nightmare or Entropy, but let me sum up some points made. 1. Nightmare (Full swiftness) If you are using Lv.1 PS engraving, there's no other choice but to use MI or CD. There are no other engravings that can replace it. People decide to use MI because it can show 15~16% damage increase even though 2~3% efficiency reduces. If you are using Lv.3 PS engraving, there are choices you have. -Use Lv.1~2 adrenaline and get additional Crit from Elixer and Bracelet -Just use Lv.3 MI/CD with Lv.3 Adrenaline (Problem solved if you have 97 stone as you can use Lv.2 Adrenaline or Lv.2 MI) 2. Entropy (Full swiftness) You can use Lv.3 Mass increase with Lv.3 adrenaline if you are using Lv.1 PS engraving (It's difficult to use KBW instead as you are using full swiftness). However, it's also true that many people hesitate to use this build because of reduction of damage increase. Many players decide to go half Crit & half Swiftness (Or 1400 Crit 800 Swiftness) and use Keen blunt weapon instead.
It depends on two things. 1. Skill build 2. number of wealth runes As a whole, I recommend at least 1750 spec for fluent rotation. However, in reality, people miss their skills and they use one or two more skills before identity activation. So, just use one or two more skills to fill the bar if your spec is lower than 1750. Furthermore, try to take 1800 spec if you are over 1540 item level (The more, the better)
Good guide overall but in cd vs hitmaster on full moon if i am not wrong one of big 3 pink skill is back attack which you cant get damage bonus from hitmaster so i dont think hitmaster damage increase is around %15 it should be lower
Soul sinners is a back attack skill, but hit master can be applied because of its tripod. One of its tripod of soul sinners changes back attack to free-attack. So, you don't need to worry about efficiency of hit master.
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You're one of the first content creators I've seen properly explain the anti-synergy between adre/CD/Mass/EP.
Thanks for that, because it's basic knowledge that very few people have on European servers.
Glad the info was useful:)
We'll do our best to share more useful info
Love this more of it ❤that’s what’s missing content wise when it comes to lost ark
Insanely solid guide
Thank you for this. Really hype for this class and main swapping
Nice
I'm interested in the non-positional aspect of this spec. Also glad Curse Doll isn't recquiered :'D
Thanks for the info!
Glad it helped:)
Thanks a lot for explaining! Waiting for it on russian server😮
Hello, M&S. I believe most meta builds for Dark Moon are NM. However, if you're going for Hallu, is it better to go Full Swift (Adre3, EP1) or 50/50 (CD3, Adre1)? Wondering which yields a higher DPS output in case you've been able to test it.
If you are going to use over lv.9~10 cooldown gems, 50/50 (Cd/adre1) is better. If you are going to use cooldown gems under 9, you should give full swiftness for higher dps+fluent rotation.
When you use under 9, you must use riddle spinning before you enter dark moon mode which leads to dps loss.
To be frank, if you just want the highest dps using over lv.9 cooldown gems, Nightmare will be a better choice. That's why most ppl who use hallucination just run full swiftness.
So for the Engraving Support:
- Hallu Spec SE: Would you a go HM as a 5th Engraving till you can make a +1 with adrenaline (the second option at 04:05 or equip adrenaline as a 5th?
Great question to ask.
Please use HM as your 5th engraving until 1540 :)
For the Full Moon build, with Nightmare. Is it a Boundless Mana class? What is the DPS difference between Nightmare and Hallucination? Why is it controversial?
First of all, Full moon uses boundless mana, but magic addiction must be on when identity is on. It's important for soul eater to manage mana efficiently for fluent rotation.
For example, if you are using Nightmare, there are two major things you must remember.
1. Trigger reduction of cooldown for quicker rotation (DPS without its identity does not matter for Full moon)
2. Reach full mana sustaining 6 stacks adrenaline for magic addiction effect. Then use 3 main skills after activating identity.
As you can see, Soul eater can use Nightmare build efficiently for quick & strong rotation.
For the second question, result of Nightmare build & Hallucination build looks similar, but the process is different.
1. Advantage of Nightmare : Quicker rotation than Hallucination (Even though you don't have high level cooldown gems)
2. Disadvantage of Nightmare : Low Crit chance (around 60~70%). However, this disadvantage can be solved after the Elixer update.
3. Advantage of Hallucination : High Crit chance even though you don't have Elixer yet + Can use Lv.1 adrenaline instead of Lv.1 Ether predator
4. Disadvantage of Hallucination : Need high level cooldown gems for quick rotation
My personal recommendation is Nightmare, but you can use Hallucination if you hate Lv.1 ether predator (or low Crit) or if you are going to use at least Lv.9 cooldown gems
thanks for your deep details, but I need 1 more thing that u didn't answered.
for Dark moon build u explained about gem requirement, but what about Full moon? for fluent rotation do we need full gem level 10 CD or just on some skills?
Fx for surge rotation u just need level 8 Cd on maelstorm and with rest level 7 and +1800 spec u can get 20 stacks in 12 sec.
what about SoulEater? as far as our main dmg skills CD reset with our reaper mode so can u explain about gem CD requirement for fluent rotation?
Thanks
Alright. I get what you mean.
We didn't talk about the rotation in this video as we already introduced the build at our previous guide.
To answer your question, soul eater need to wait for cooldown if CD gems get lower.
Rotation : Lunatic edge--> Ult--> Vestige
Asteroth--> Death order--> Soul drain--> Guillotine--> Soul sinners
Glutney--> Lunatic edge--> Vestige
(You wait at this moment for cooldown)
Asteroth--> Death order--> Soul drain--> Vestige--> Z
Even though you have Lv.7 CD gems and activated boundless mana effect, you need to wait for 2~3 seconds.
If you use over Lv.9 rotation will be more fluent, but the difference is around 1~2 seconds.
for full moon build, should we get spec+swift or spec+crit for necklace?
There were ppl using spec+swift before 1540 in order to reach full efficiency of RC. However, you should go spec+crit for the max dps. There's no need to use spec+swift.
Is 650 swift a hard requirement? A lot of the people on loawa playing full crit dark moon have 620-640 swift
Also, how does the full crit dark moon build interact with nightmare set bonus? Does it want to stay in magic addiction or does it use boundless as well?
Nice video thanks
To answer your question
1. 650 is not easy for average players.
30~50 (basic stat), max 500 (necklace with 100 quality), max 120 (bracelet).
Therefore, you need basic stats along with end setting to reach 650.
2. Full Crit normally use magic addiction for high Dps. That's why they use both Nightmare and C/J runes. When supporters increase mana recovery with their skills, it's easy to sustain with the given setting:)
Yeah you need a pretty nice neck and bracelet to get up to 650 secondary, I think I will be happy with around 630-640 :)
And good to know about the set, that sounds quite chill to play then - thanks! @@MnS-Studio
what do u think about super charge for full moon ?
There is a build with Lv.1 Super charge (definitely not Lv.3).
I think it's okay, but it cannot be applied on Guillotine swing which is the strongest skill.
That's why I don't recommend ppl to use super charge
Which one is BETTER though between the two specs, or are they legit the same DPS potential? Trying to do my research but this is my last hurrah on lost ark if the class ends up flopping. Putting all my gold into it. I will push it past 1600 fast, so i dont care about anything prior to 1590 setups.
In case of Full Moon, build with the highest DPS potential is Nightmare (1800 spec 650 Crit).
The only drawback of Nightmare is that it has lower Crit rate compared to Hallucination build.
However, as you said you are going to reach 1600 quick, you can see the highest DPS if you get additional Crit from your engravings, bracelet, and Elixer.
(97 stone with Lv.2 adrenaline + Precision 3~5% bracelet + 40 point Elixer 7%)
Feel free to ask if you have more questions:)
Thanks for the response, I. Specifically asking who has higher damage potential, Full moon or Dark Moon
@@yovalord Full Moon definitely. It's one of the top DPS class nowadays in KR
Is it a huge gap between the 2?
@@chefpopout3040 Unfortunately yes. Especially as you reach end contents.
in night's edge how is hit master in place of CD?
Hit master is not recommended to night's edge because major skills do have back attack advantage.
Also, hit master is not applied on Ult which means it has lower efficiency compared to Cursed doll :)
How 9/10lvl CD gems importang for full moon? Im planning to get 3x10lvl dmg gems and wonder how much i shuild invest in CD
Before 1580, there's really no need. Use lv. 7 cooldown gems. However, if you are planning to raise over 1600 after the Voldis update, I recommend using at least lv. 8 Cd gems (9 if you can). Level 10 gems are needed only when you are not satisfied with your rotation:)
I am debating, both engraving look cool but I can't choose which one to choose ^^
I do agree both engravings are cool:)
Maybe your play style knows which one to play!
Hi, is Dark Moon a back attacker? I see that Full Moon can run Hit Master, but why does Dark Moon not?
Dark moon is not back attacker, but can gain benefit hitting back (Half backattack like Mayhem berserker)
Almost half of main & sub skills have back attack advantage on them (+10% crit chance & +5% damage)
Therefore, you need to try to hit back attack even though it's not 100% back attacker.
Furthermore, you can ask why dark moon does not use Master of ambush. It's same with Hit master.
Master of ambush engraving does not work well as half of main & sub skills are not back attack. That's why dark moon cannot use both HM & MA.
Is C/J a must for Dark moon? How it its with high CD gems? Also interessing to see that you use 1 green 4 grey and 3 purple skills. Most of the time I see like a 2 / 4 /2 setup.
Also for the +1 by dark moon. Do you not have to much crit o why adril+1 and not ether pre. +1?
breathe buddy, guides for the new class aren't going anywhere. you're already drooling over yourself when she isnt coming out for another month and a half
Let me help you out with your questions
Q: Is C/J a must for dark moon?
A: Yes, definitely. Hallucination lacks mana. Nightmare should sustain mana over 30% (Normally full Crit builds sustain mana)
--> Also, C/J is really needed as you use level 7 cooldown jams or more.
Q: Is this a new build with 1/4/3 setup?
A: No, but it is one of the builds many rankers use nowadays in KR server. 2/4/2 setup commonly can be seen on Hallucination build with full swiftness.
Q: Is Lv.1 adrenaline better than Lv.1 ether predator?
A: Yes, it's better for dark moon. There are some reasons.
1. Provides more Crit chance
2. Increases efficiency of KBW
3. Less stress than ether predator
4. Damage increase is similar with over 20 stacks of ether predator + you need to reach x30 to be better than Lv.1 adrenaline (But it takes time to stack)
-->Efficiency of power increase of ether predator reduces as you already use Lv.3 Cursed doll
@@MnS-Studio thanks :)
@@Hydr312 You're welcome:)
Interesting, so my ps shadower hunter has level 3 adrenaline and level 3 mass increase, this is bad?
Yes, most of the player base doesn’t know this but atk power is additive while dmg to monsters like grudge and raid captain is multiplicative
Yup, you should not use those two Lv.3 engravings together. If you are using both, overall damage will reduce 2~3% compared to other engravings.
@@MnS-Studio @zackerywang9798 But Mass Increase is Attack Power 18% and Cursed Doll is Attack Power 16% both are Atttack Power not Damage Power
So replacing Mass Incrase to Cursed Doll wouldnt do anyhitng right? just lower the Attack Power %, i have full swift so the attack speed reduction doesnt do anyhting for me on Mass Increase
@@WetSquid
I asked one of my friends who played ps shadow hunter for a long time and I totally get what you mean.
I don't know if you are using Nightmare or Entropy, but let me sum up some points made.
1. Nightmare (Full swiftness)
If you are using Lv.1 PS engraving, there's no other choice but to use MI or CD. There are no other engravings that can replace it. People decide to use MI because it can show 15~16% damage increase even though 2~3% efficiency reduces.
If you are using Lv.3 PS engraving, there are choices you have.
-Use Lv.1~2 adrenaline and get additional Crit from Elixer and Bracelet
-Just use Lv.3 MI/CD with Lv.3 Adrenaline (Problem solved if you have 97 stone as you can use Lv.2 Adrenaline or Lv.2 MI)
2. Entropy (Full swiftness)
You can use Lv.3 Mass increase with Lv.3 adrenaline if you are using Lv.1 PS engraving (It's difficult to use KBW instead as you are using full swiftness).
However, it's also true that many people hesitate to use this build because of reduction of damage increase.
Many players decide to go half Crit & half Swiftness (Or 1400 Crit 800 Swiftness) and use Keen blunt weapon instead.
@@MnS-Studio Thank you for all the info sir :)
notes taken
Does darkmoon and fullmoon has a huge dps gap?
Frankly speaking, they do have a gap in legion raids especially in end contents. Full moon is stronger than dark moon for sure
Is there a minimum spec required for souleater ?
It depends on two things.
1. Skill build
2. number of wealth runes
As a whole, I recommend at least 1750 spec for fluent rotation. However, in reality, people miss their skills and they use one or two more skills before identity activation.
So, just use one or two more skills to fill the bar if your spec is lower than 1750.
Furthermore, try to take 1800 spec if you are over 1540 item level (The more, the better)
Good guide overall but in cd vs hitmaster on full moon if i am not wrong one of big 3 pink skill is back attack which you cant get damage bonus from hitmaster so i dont think hitmaster damage increase is around %15 it should be lower
Soul sinners is a back attack skill, but hit master can be applied because of its tripod. One of its tripod of soul sinners changes back attack to free-attack. So, you don't need to worry about efficiency of hit master.
Oh okay thank you so much for explanation!
when this class will be realesed at global server?
It's going to be released at November:)