Chatting with a BELIEVING Jehovah's Witness
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My heart goes out to you, Astro,,,,, I’m even upset about you believing, even in your own way, I can tell you are an amazing human, brilliant, brighter than many, yet a waste of intellect inside the congregation. When you are ready, we will all be here waiting for you ♥️
it sounds like he's able to discernmen the rules that work for him and skate over the ones that don't. if never redundant it's too anyone but he seems to be happy enough with the religion
Heart breaking listening to this young man. Knowing how much they steal from peoples’ lives. Knowing what will happen to him. 😞
This is a sweet human, I appreciate him. I had a similar issue, wanting to really find the truth I found in the Bible, but we're opposite. I went from jw, to nothing, to evangelical protestant for a time at that age. I figured things out later in life. He, and any kids he has can never be truly happy with this organization, because it's actually impossible.but I wish the absolute best for him. he comes across as intelligent and very kind.
Come to the orthodox faith, search a church near you and try having a visit
@@Madokaexe thank you! Unfortunately I'm an alphabet person. tried to change, willingly did conversion efforts, but I'm just this way, so I removed myself. But I have a lot of respect for the faith!
Thank you for answering my Costco question. If the JW paradise really does exist they will have the 1 dollar hot dog there i am certain of it
They better have it! When I was maybe 7, I was crying because I thought that in 'paradise' I couldn't watch Flash Gordon and X-Men anymore lol
Either that or the socialist version you can find in my country for 0.7 Euros
surely if its paradise all recipes ever made will be known, so anyone can make it (course it would have to be vegan cos paradise has all vegan animals)
I’m sure in the JW paradise you can’t eat the hot dog.
1 dollar Costco hotdog goes so hard 🔥 🔥 (not literally)
I respect this guys outlook on his belief and faith. Also how he overcame his early health issues. I wish him all the best.
Because of his Mother, who’s a diamond 💎
Why would the mother slap him for claiming Jesus? Poor young man.
@@christinesotelo7655 maybe ask her
I really respect someone who goes out of their way to seek things their religion says will "lead them astray" like apostate content. It should be okay to do that, because it's a way not only to hear the other side, but honestly bolster your faith. To be able to hear people absolutely slam your religion and still say "I get it, but it makes me happy and that's okay" takes a lot of inner strength imo. Astro seems like a really nice guy, and I wish him the best.
I also wish his Mother the best, she’s the one who’ll be picking up the pieces. We can all see how well this will go, especially as he already has ‘ different opinions’ that no elder will listen to, and immediately shun him. Facts.
That’s true. Any disunity will pace him apart. I wish him the best, though, it’s his Journey. God knows.
Holy smokes, what a fun conversation. I really feel for Astro. I really hope he can come to terms with the contradictions in his heart and his environment because if he doesn't... damn...
ASTRO is going to make and EXCELLENT jw.....he read Crisis of Conscience, dismissed it, and he's OK with Jeffrey Jackson's testimony ay the ARC....all the research he has done and the sheer intelligence he displays.....the mental gymnastics he uses to see this as a good religious choice is actually impressive.
Fact: Some humans are secure only when they are slaves. Freedom scares them with the thought of having to be personally responsible. Governments, Religions and Watchtower knows this. They get what they want.
Yep, so incredibly sad how he can remain so blind after learning actual truths 🤦🏽♀️
To be fair, in my own case, the cricticism of the organisation policies and leadership through vidéos or books like crisis of conscience were only a tiny tiny part of what makes me wake up. I think that they indoctrinate you so much to think they are the only true christians than you are willing to forgive a lot of think. To me, the study of their doctrine and of the Christian doctrine in general (I'm now an atheist/agnostic) have a strongest effect.
The boy is totally confused. He is very intelligent and all but very confused. I could not believe what he was saying.
His intellectual won't save him
I think this guys gonna get baptized and then shunned immediately when they find out he celebrated his birthday lol
Once he’s baptized, he will not be so free. I hope he realizes that. There will be consequences.
I can’t believe he made excuses for the RAC and Geoffrey Jackson more or less just blatantly lying on the stand. Saying Jackson was nervous and was just trying his best while this person still believes they are guided by god seems strange.
Saying the GB are still going to protect their asses legally because they are human is a terrible thing to say when they teach their members to follow their rules no matter what even if it means being imprisoned or killed.
How often do their videos talk about suffering persecution and staying true to Jehovah and the GB’s teachings but it’s fine for them to use weasel words in an attempt to avoid responsibility?
He’s autistic. That is a diagnosis, in all due respect. WT may take advantage of that unless this young man is gifted in discernment and debate with Elders.
I notice this narrative among JWs.. they talk about the soul, about the meaning of life, etc.
Yet, they defend the GB ruining people’s lives..
How can you talk about faith and other philosophical things but not a acknowledging how bad the cult is ?!
Blind leading the blinder!
They don't even believe in the soul lol
Because as he said, he’s not ver “feeling” in the experience, the mystical experience. He is more astute. This religion appeals to many males due to its lack of sentiment. Believe me, if he had the experience somehow of Christ crucified, he’d be flooded with love and emotion, a necessary human development. He is only on a cusp of his Journey. Life will happen. ❤
@@Madokaexeio non credo per niente alla Watchtower e il corpo direttivo, poi posso credere fermamente alle favole ,almeno hanno una moralita .da L'ITALIA.
Don't believe in the soul in this cult
Man bro thats crazy they see the hypocrisy and don't care.
I think he found a clean path through, atleast what I’ve heard so far. He seems very rational in his thoughts, not very dogmatic. I hope they don’t ruin his religious experience. Sadly many people feel this way, join, and future generations who have no say in the matter will be affected. Maybe growing up in the religion may have gave him a different experience that wouldn’t have been so positive. If he has children I hope he protects their personal views.
When I was a new JW in the 70’s, I excused every flaw, everyone, even my JW brother who raged at my mom for wearing a little gold cross (she was Catholic) on a chain around her neck. He was ruthless and I was a new recruit and just sat there in awe at how he could “preach” and roar. I still can’t forgive myself. New indoctrinated recruits are highly ...”obtuse”.
I don't want to be disrespectful at all, this man is clearly a thinking individual. I just don't think god would have made his true religion so easily disproved or controlled information so much that to find it all at once would seriously undermine a genuine person's faith.
For him it's just another church that happened to agree with his theology.
Panda, I'm sorry, but this kid is in total prelest, he's guided by his own interpretation of the bible, which makes things worse, and he needs to understand that the "true church" certainly didn't come up in the 1800s
Yes, I feel he is vulnerable and may be easily used up in free labor by WT until they don’t need him anymore. More and more, WT has gone from elite “Society” to perhaps (my opinion) exploiting disadvantaged or disabled people who will need direction and order and be used for free labor in building projects, et al.
This person’s reason for being an active JW was given when he explained how he became interested in the JW religion at the very beginning. (1.) He came from a broken family; he was raised by an agnostic single mother. (2.). He had very limited education and no training in any kind of Christian catechesis. (3.). He lacked any relationship with a “father figure” in his life. All these sad facts point to someone who is “easy recruitment” for the JW missionaries. In other words, this person found the closest thing to a “family” at the Kingdom Hall. 😮😮😮😢😢😢. P.S. The good news is that this person isn’t going to make it as a “life-long JW.” He isn’t being censured or accused of apostasy now because he is not a “baptized JW.” When that occurs, the treatment he receives will change. He is already critical of some of the major policies of this “doomsday cult.” Later he will be accused of apostasy. 😊😊😊
He already knows his JW apologetics. Everything can be and will be defended with classics such as "they're just imperfect men, we should try to understand them and be forgiving". Unfortunately, what Astro will learn after baptism is that this doesn't work both ways. When he screws up, no one is going to remember his imperfectness and be forgiving. Different rules for the higher-ups.
It seems to me he doesn't yet see the big picture but just some parts of it he happens to agree with.
Agreed..he seems to think he can get baptised and start asking questions, having his OWN opinions, disagree with apostate disfellowshipping policy, 😂 ALL NOT ALLOWED, and he will be gone, and no one will GAF, except his lovely Mum.
I wonder if he knows he can’t have blood if he’s in some accident. Shunning probably won’t affect him since he has no family to lose. He admitted he’s not a “feeling” or “emotional” type experiencer so he might be a just go along with it type, which may be preferred now by the Org. Had he a child who needed a blood transfusion to live, or if he had family held hostage “in” while he was thrown out, he might think twice. But at this step in his own Journey, he may be the future of WT...those who will defend the GB.
Very true. Never been a JW but this is true across the board for cults. Can't question authority, but you can question the * hell * out of each other.
@@sad_doggo2504 NEVER question Authority! HA! I had so many questions after baptism, they threw me out! I grew up Catholic and couldn’t ask them questions either! Now I’d like to write a book: All the Questions I Ever Wanted to Ask About God But Was Afraid to Cuz Is Get Beaten! ... like I’d like to ask: hey! All you cults and churches that traumatized me with hell or total destruction, if a person dies and goes to hell, is hell considered a cult? Will the Governing Body be there to tell people what to do, or will there be Deprogrammers and Resources to get us OUT?
Sorry.
Mind boggling interview. This person checks so many boxes for cult recruitment it’s crazy. His lack of self awareness is absolutely 100% I don’t say that as insult, but as a genuine observation. Wanted to find a religion to follow, settled for this one, was obviously determined to find one he could work with regardless. Autistic, has found a community of people that feels familiar, very sad, but it all makes sense.
He said “Everyone should preach the watchtower” that’s how screwed he is.
Wow! I didn’t catch that! Watchtower! He ought to look up what a “Watchtower” actually IS!
Following rules is something my autistic husband really attracted him to this religion as well. So I totally get that. It did become too much over time however and he is no longer a witness now
Exactly! Rules, order, scheduling, I agree!
Once they find out that he has read Crisis of Conscience, spoken with an apostate on CZcams, doesn't agree with shunning, etc., he will be immediately viewed as dangerous to the rest of the congregation and he will be shunned. Same goes for his differences with the current way the GB handles matters. He is an apostate by their definition and will be treated as such.
This is true. I wonder how he will pass the Baptism examination.
According to the definition of apostate, Jesus was one. Astro, i have ben in 45 years. About a year ago I allowed all my questions to surface. I to believe jehovah is real. However after viewing the Australian royal commission and hearing Jacksons statement ,and realizing that if I made the same statement I would be quickly labeled as apostate. The double standard is eye opening. I feel you. I still go but with heavy heart.
@@christinesotelo7655very cautiously and quietly.
Amazing ,,,, wow ,,,,, unfortunately, Astro, I also believe that the minute the elders in your congregation get to know how you feel and the “atrocity” you have done here, speaking to an apostate, will cancel your baptism and they will do everything in their power to get rid of you in the congregation, even though you aren’t baptized yet. For them, you are a bad seed. All of your good feelings towards the society and your faith and your support for them will not equal the weight of your “betrayal”, for them I mean.
Correct. If they find it after baptism, he’s fucked.
Even before. He will be shunned.
I have a retired friend that started to go meetings because 2 sons married JW.s ... she got all the way to unbaptized publisher (period span of 4yrs). .. when she found out lots of cover ups (CSA and elders adul-turus) and massogonistoc org... desided not attend anymore....now is shunned by sons.
OR...they will use his NEED of autistic need for order, direction, and need to be strictly monitored, for free labor in their building projects, etc. He might not even know it. WT is a clever monster.
This resonated with me a lot. I have a similar background - a chronic mental illness, a complicated childhood, a protective mother. And I also was interested in religion and tried to study several to build the “correct” religion in my head (I’m agnostic now, for what it’s worth). So I really relate to that. Sometimes I wish I could join some church to have a community but honestly all churches in all religions I’ve seen feel too culty and restrictive to me personally. I think the biggest problem with any religion is that people bring children into it - at least adults have a choice and hopefully a developed ability to speak up or leave when something goes wrong. Children are just too vulnerable, they have no defence mechanisms yet. But when it comes to adults - it’s their choice and I can respect that even if it doesn’t feel right to me.
Great comment. I relate. This man is alone, so I don’t see it doing him any harm, it’s just him. It gets complicated when loved ones are involved. I just hope he doesn’t get fanatic after baptism and try to overload every conversation with WT stuff and smother people with the NWT. My JW bro did that to my Mom and it broke her heart, and the family. Too much disrespect to others views.
Excellent job just getting out of this brilliant guy's way and letting him talk, what a fascinating individual. Have him back!
This was very brave and vulnerable of him
Vulnerable, just right for the elders to use. And they will.
The two part document about the JW 607 BC dating which goes against historians and even some of the JWs own publications about the length of Nebuchadnezzar’s reign and it starting in 605 BC.
This JW says LDS teachings are impossible because of them contradicting genetics, history etc, when you can easily say the same about things like the flood, the JW’s dating of the Babylonian captivity, genetics etc,
This was priceless. Much respect for this guy. I do think JWs have some excellent biblical arguments and they don't exploit them enough. They don't read the old Watchtower books that went into depth on the subjects anymore so JWs can't even properly define the Trinity but this guy has put his work in. He's still delusional for thinking the Bible is that special but just imagine if this type of JW became mainstream. I don't think it can happen because so many are just born in and will be lazy like the rest of them. I brought up the old jw reformers message boards. I was on H20 religiously for like 5 years from about 1997 to 2002 before it just shut. It was run by Rick who was very strange and hardly participated and moderators with nicknames like Sandman who would only appear once in a while to discuss operations of the website with extremely long posts. But never participated any more than that. They would repeat often anonymity is so important so it was very shadowy and strange but the discussions and debates were awesome. We had Greg Stafford defending jw doctrine and then NWT and we had You Know, Robert King who was a hardcore very judgemental jw that would go full bore at us. Good times. Of course Greg and Robert got df'd for speaking too much and formed their own groups which are basically Russelites with some more modern understanding added. Anyway i wish this guy good luck, he's a good example of what a jw ought to be.
Are you insane? Their whole religion is de-bunked with their own interlinear!! Strong arguments for WHAT?
@@Des7iny7 I hate when people who don't know Greek use those very tired evangelical arguments that the KIT debunks the NWT. if it truly did why would they create and present it? Jason BeDuhn, not ba JW, did a really good job defending the NWT.
Also he mentioned reading Ehrman. What potential JW would have done that? Ehrman has stated several times the JWs got quite a few things right.
Sounds like that old TV program from years ago called: “Meeting of the Minds”! They all have bits and pieces of truth and error. We’re human. The secret is not to get involved following man. The GB of WT may recruit many more people like this young man because they NEED ordered lives. Watch “Rainman” with Dustin Hoffman. Many people brilliant in one area, needing order and direction. This may be a “New Light” phenomena with JWs. In the past, it was unlikely any disabled person was encouraged to join the “Society”! I am glad for him. He might be setting a precedent.
His mum is awesome!!
All mums should be as loving as Astro’s. At least she researched and tried to help, and SHE will be the one that will never leave her son.
She will be there through ALL times.
The jws will not.
especially loving researchful when sheltering him and refusing to vaccinate him xd
@@modysocjalista3665Absolutely 💗
I hope she will be able to protect him from WT exploitation after baptism if he makes it that far. She may need to take Legal Steps with doctor’s help to keep him from being exploited or emotionally hurt by those bastards. Whoops. Excuse me.
Didn’t he say she slapped him for choosing a religion at one point or something? I’m only halfway through though so maybe I’ve missed some later evolution she went through.
At 7:03 he says there’s not a “mystical side to it.” The entire basis of the religion is of that which supposedly took place invisibly. 🤔
Huh! REALLY GOOD POINT!!!
This was really fascinating to listen to and I really enjoyed it! Thanks for doing this.
"Astro" is a really nice and likable person ...kudos to him for be willing to visit this channel..hope to hear/see him again ...my greetings to him from Norway...if he for some reason might happen to see this comment 🙂
I do find this person, although he identifies as a witness, his views are definitely not what the watchtower teaches on many topics, he a brother would go on the stage explaining views like this, even talking to "apostate" he would be thrown off stage. This was kinda cringe to watch but I guess I appreciate his effort and wish him all the best in his own journey
He gave much information on his personal life, even don't telling his name or country, if a memeber of his congregation finds this video, will recognize him very easily. But there's not much of a concern. If he is scolded by any fellow JW for being here, he can reply "and why were you watching the Panda channel?".
BTW, he is a very clever boy, have a high critical sense, what is rare and I sincerely think he won't last much as a JW. He'll be on our side in the future.
Dont get your hope up
Autistic individuals are brilliant in one or more capacities. But his need to fit in and be part of an accepting community such as JW-before-baptism will be different than JW-after-baptism unless he remains silent on some of his views.
I believed like him for most of my life. I had many problems with specific teachings and policies but thought it was the closest to the truth. Boy was I wrong when I read the real Bible.
ASTRO says he read the Bible in the original Greek so idk what real Bible you're talking about
I’m actually reading the Bible thoroughly for the “REAL” first time LOL...now that I’m retired and long ago were my awful young JW days! I’m in no church at all, love Jesus, or can be so agnostic (free) in my thinking now...my perfect time to read and not so much “study”. I’m reading the Bible kind of as an historic novel...I’m reading it with passion, intrigue, EMOTION, for the very first time without man’s translation and views. Just me! And quite honestly, it is Excellent! It makes me cry, it intrigues me, I relate to the love, the suspense, the drama, the trauma...I absolutely am enthralled! Took me all my life to get to this point! ❤
For me NOW, I can put all the “study” and organization and thrall of hurry up! Get baptized and saved stuff away, like putting aside childish toys. It’s the Bible. I’m enjoying reading a paragraph and then thinking about it for a day and then going back and reading more and visualizing it MY way, pondering, taking my time...no more rush rush and go to meetings and teach the kids they HAVE to memorize or expect God to destroy everything soon...oh, it’s now a LOVING, wonderful book and I’d encourage everyone to stop religion-izing it and just relax! It’s a GOOD BOOK!!!!
Sadly, after baptism you are at high risk of being disfellowshipped. There is no tolerance for independent or critical thinking/discussions 😞
We has been like the GB deeply ingranded into looking through apostate materials. He won't last there long!
I pray God uses him to expose the Watchtower “within”
I hope so too, but being rather unfeeling or emotionless as he says, he may attach to it. A lot of JWs stop feeling much, in my opinion. The WT is relatable to some who need precise order, like military living.
To hear this young man considering being a JW was incredible despite all the research he has done. He ignored all the evidence of the cult, which was mind blowing to me because it would cause your critical thinking to kick in. It shows how powerful brainwashing is and how easily someone can be controlled. I would hate to see this guy waste his time with this cult. Praying that Astro would find Jesus soon. 🙏
For me any religion or organisation that shuns someone is in total direct contrast of what Jesus would have done. I also believe not being willing to share your blood to save someone's life is against loving your neighbour and spreading the Gospel. Regarding the Trinity, I believe that God lives in us and that Jesus walked the earth and he did speak of our father in heaven. I mainly focus on Jesus directing us to love our neighbour and spreading peace, love and truth. I try not do go much deeper than this what he told us to do.
Please do more videos like these! I LOVE long videos with deep discussions of each other's perspectives!
I hope this young man is very careful. He needs to be aware that his acceptance by the JWs could vanish in an instant if they decide that he is doing something that he shouldn't be doing. I wish him safety.
On 25:30 he says he does not place the Governing Body in the same regard that they (JW) do, because he has his own stance of the whole view. But I'm sorry to remind you that when you get baptized one of the questions you have to answer affirmatively is "Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization?" (In 2019 they took the last part out). And they make a point to remind everyone that the meaning of that question is that you have to see everything the GB provides as it was coming directly from god (Again, the same question prior to 2019 or later, it doesn't change the point at all). He is going to have a problem there.
No he won’t because his need to belong and overlook GB lying and misleading, is stronger than his supposed convictions. He desires order and being led obsessively.
Im also autistic and i also i did my search of religions, but for me animism resonated with me the most, i feel lucky that that i didn't enter in anything more shady.
Good for you!❤
Pray for that young man’s salvation he's been deceived by the Watchtower and thinks he's going to be saved 😔
WT doesn’t save anyone.
@@christinesotelo7655
I know that was my point because WT teaches only the 144,000 are saved
@@davidbermudez7704 If I can’t go to Heaven and be with Jesus, I couldn’t bear the thought of an eternal JW earth Org. with Governing Body swinging down on horses with swords to tell Elders how to govern us. I pray that young man gets away from WT.
@@christinesotelo7655
Those people are lost
@@davidbermudez7704 Well, my JW brother is still in, he’s in his 80’s. He’s widowed, alone, has already had a stroke, and yet because they labeled me, his sister, “apostate” in the 70’s for disagreeing with the No Blood Doctrine, I’m “dead” supposedly. When I tried to help, I was shooed away. Now, you can’t even allow an apostate into a KH. He’s devoted his life to WT. they won’t let him go. Because his JW wife died, and if he leaves, “Jehovah” will destroy him and he won’t ever see his wife in Paradise. So he lives for the End and that paradise of theirs. I believe God knows. Through MY Faith in Jesus Christ, I truly believe my brother will be with the Lord and his wife and I will see them again. That’s my Faith in the most merciful, loving God. I believe WT is doomed though. And that Governing Body will be brought to Justice.
When will people learn that all organized religion is false. God did not make any of them
Right!
This person is not a “JW”. Not fully and not truly. It doesn’t mean that he doesn’t have things, stories, opinions worthy of attention…..but it would be nice to get an elder on with you. Or a Circuit Servant or Overseer or whatever they are called today but….I know that’s a “Mission Impossible” since no JW, be it an elder, a ministerial servant or any rank and file JW in good standing will ever talk to an “apostate”. So sad…..good try.
🤔🇨🇺🇺🇸
He may not be a full purist JW, but be is officially a member of the organization and follows their tradition, so he still presents a JW’s perspective
Maybe it’s not fair to allow someone who has been diagnosed as autistic and with developmental problems on to represent a religion when they don’t even hold a usual position on the teachings and taught themselves by reading the bible and watchtower literature.
Poor guy said he was in nappies at 8 years old and that his mother kept him away from everyone, home schooling him as well. Can you imagine the education he received if his mother was anti vax and scared to let him mix with others?
Autism diagnosed, yes, he can be gifted with brilliance in a focused area (watch “Rainman” with Dustin Hoffman), but his need for order and schedule and obsession in some areas would make him possibly vulnerable to high-order control groups. His mom may have to take legal steps if she feels he is being exploited in any way.
I would have asked him how he feels about the fact that he can be disfellowshipped for things that he's doing now, things that are not in conflict with his conscience? It seems like he wants to be in a religion with people who believe the same things as him, but to be free thinking, jw doesn't allow that, they are controlling and even minor deviances from the official beliefs can get you kicked out if you speak about them or act upon them.
He may face many Judicial Committee Meetings in the process, to try to steer him the “right direction”. If I understand correctly, WT is so low on membership, they are trying their best NOT to disfellowship unless all else fails. IF he even makes it to baptism which he’ll need to keep silent and pass their exam.
He said the csa has been blown up...🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
He is in error. Remember, he said he has not much “feeling” or “emotion” and that is why JWs appeal to him. He could not possibly relate to a CSA victim. WT may have found their perfect candidate.
As a guy with a son with significant disabilities, you made a solid point about the JW community. It is a wonderful thing for him, and to a degree, all of us. But being a part of the "community" requires a person to suppress much of what makes us unique, and buckle under high control. Depending on your circumstances, it's a miserably difficult choice. That's why there are so many pimos!
Great observation. Thank you for that point of view! My opinion is that WT will recruit more people with like disabilities or diagnoses for their purposes. As with children and the elderly, I believe some people with “disabilities” should be future protected as well.
Awesome I like open conversations with respect, sharing ideas and beliefs. But most JWs run away in my experience
Too bad that this kid’s life will be ruined once he will be baptized. At least the will learn his lesson about this cult.
The Watchtower is going to destroy his conscience
Needs to research B.I.T.E. model....by Stephen Hassan.
Being Autistic, depending on the diagnostic scale, he may not feel conscience too much, but just the need for order and precise schedule, ritualistic order, etc. WT may be recruiting for more of easily controlled adults, exceptional for free labor in building, landscaping, projects, doing as told. I’m not being disrespectful. I’m theorizing.
Hi Panda,thank you for all your hard work. I am 70 years old and my family have been Witnesses since 1921. I have seen it all, and the disruction the cult did to my cousins and immidiate family. I heard you ask about American Indians. I am Native from several South Eastern tribes. My husband was Assinoboine from the Sioux Nation. Yes, we still practice our traditional spiritual believes. All things have a spirit. Including animal, Trees, Stones. ect. Indigenous peoples live closer to true religion than Than Christianity. I did not need governing body taking away my culture from me. I left in my 20"s. You can research much more about traditional Native believes.
Oh I love your reply! Thank you! How beautiful and true you are! Walk with God! ❤
How does astro feel about the fact that he could technically be disfellowshipped for this interview? It seems like he understands the data, but not the authority culture.
Honestly- he seems to be most loyal to his theology than a church. He seems the type that upon disfellowshipment would form a reformed JW chapter
Good! Go for it, Astro!
I know the chat is over, but I would’ve loved to know, Astro, if brothers and sisters speak about Anthony Morris? Or if elders have commanded not to speak or ask about the subject of Anthony leaving.
Don’t speculate! That’s what he’s heard. Until he’s baptised of course.😮
@@Des7iny7He is being love-bombed and given much attention and direction at this time, until after baptism. If he passes their criteria for baptism. Then the real education will start.
His mom did a great job teaching him. Learning two languages and having a great English vocabulary while being autistic is impressive. You can tell that he's very intelligent
Autism do not hinder you in learning a language.
Yeah autism can be helpful to learning languages even, just completely depends on the person.
Lover of freedom here!
Panda, this interview with this intelligent observer was brilliant… so helpful for all in and out to navigate this human tendency of worship coupled with the human tendency to dominate and enslave. This will help so many make the right decision: Will I seek human freedom or seek security as a slave.
Excellent! Security! Well said!
Of all the reasons he has given for why he is a witness very is from a very unemotional place. That is why he can dismiss all the red flags. He wants the structure that is provided by the witness way of life provides above all.
Greetings from Central Florida from this EXJW.
He has a privilege because he has nothing to lose getting caught on these "apostate" channels, enough said about the control of this cult.
True. He has no family “in”, not too much to lose if he is ever ousted, but I can’t help but wonder how WT might “use” him to their benefit.
@@christinesotelo7655 Yes, and when I used to see people come in and leave their “worldly” family behind, they were convinced it was for the sake of God and they were doing the right thing. The WT will take anybody, the use to them is another donator, laborer for converting others in ministry, and constructing Kingdom Halls.
I would see people stay in, despite being the only ones in their family, as they were love bombed, convinced they found the only truth so superiority would ensue, claiming opposition from family was persecution and therefore prophesied, and they would replace the outside world with their new “spiritual family.”
@@Cfalconeri Yes. Sad and dangerous.
My friends mom joined for similar reasons as this guy. Not sure what her specific reasons were for leaving, but I know that my friend had a rough time growing up jw. Even if I thought the bible was historical fact and that jws had the right translation, I still couldn't imagine raising kids in that faith
You can arrange an interview with me if you want to.
Sad to say this will be your only and last U-tube interview. 💯 I served as the Service overseer in the org ,was a witness for 47 years and even served at Brooklyn bethel. Me and my family disassociated 5 years ago,because of all the fake spiritual men that I served with, child abuse coverup! I hope you can handle what’s coming your way if anyone finds out you did this interview. Hope you keep Jesus the focal point in all you do! Blessings to you!♥️
THANK YOU
Wonderful! Exactly! Me too!
This young man is too intelligent for Watchtower…he could help them revamp WT into a respectable institution. He is too advanced to be regulated by their incompetence and their corruption. I hope he remains incorruptible.
Also don't get baptized in the religion, its babtizim into the Watchtower Corp.
And there's a guy that made a great point about why the jws are not the truth, and it made a lot of point
But I thought I was never gonna suffer consequences of my actions but now I am... though my sins were bad? I used to be a hacker a big one I made some platforms fall off for a while and be gone some forever but that was a really long time I had no idea what I was doing does times but years passed and I had thought of murder my own head talking to myself deciding for me in order for us 2 and that one I talk the whole time in my head seems so real he even helps me out and I think I'm talking to someone the only who has been with me is him he has given me this ideas and cuz of it I've become very insanity I sound more demonic than a normal human my voice since it changed I can change it alot how I talk and makes people be afraid of me the parents go insane cuz of this religion but who am I? I was never the guardian even that God wins satan won tho because he's taking alot of people with him and it seems that he has succeeded but the galaxy remain calm and stars yet shining but the being inside the planet suffering the consequences of the first 2 humans oh I am so insane and thought I have destroyed ruin life's cuz of my religion in I was fully convinced that I had the truth in my eyes I see shadows when I'm alone moving hiding from me and a bit of paranormal activity it seems they fear me? The question is am I yet human my dreams have no meaning dreams and lucid ones that shouldn't exist will existance remain un-explainable shall the existence remain a mystery? For ever??..
Baptism is the first step to getting stuck. Please be careful. I guess if you don’t have family, it’s ok. No one faults your Faith. If you have family in though, you would think twice, because of the man-made doctrines. But you’re alone, so good luck to you. It won’t be hard for you to get out I guess. Is it possible though to just read the Bible and dedicate your self to Jesus? You don’t need to be emotional, you can be very studious and go to Theological Universities. You sound very intelligent. God bless you on your Journey, regardless of how to choose, God be with you. Walk with God. ❤
Well, sorry but typical jumping through hoops to protect the higher ups.
I found their perspective to be fascinating, coming from a convert's perspective as opposed to a born in perspective. As a born in, I couldn't reconcile the organization being wrong and them supposedly being God's anointed organization. It's really interesting to hear from someone who acknowledges where they're maybe not correct doctrinally or ethically but is still willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that they're the True Religion.
Seems like he is just looking for a structure to reconcile his innate sense of spirituality and lack of accepting communities around him. That’s just my take. I have some neurodivergent tendencies and structure is important and having a logical set of rules to follow is helpful in a world where sometimes the rules are not written out explicitly.
It’s a shame because Christianity in general is such an oppressive and bigoted theology. I hope he finds something different to be apart of that isn’t so destructive.
I need to talk to this person!!!
PLEASE DO!!
Yes, you do Dawn!
How?
I'm glad Astro is not up for Governing Body recruitment because he would change things for the better and the Org would survive longer 😮
Question I'd throw at him: How do you reconcile the endless failed end time predictions? 🙄
He probably could care less. He found a place to “belong”. As a new recruit, he’ll overlook anything.
i feel so bad for astro, especially with the aspect of him being autistic too, i never even thought of that and how that could intersect with JW
"When you make the apostate seem evil when they're not evil, you feel like you're being lies to."
It was the combination of this and the many failed prophecies about the end that started my deconstruction. The understanding that the world is not so black and white and non-believers and other religions are not the malevolent beings that JW makes them out to be.
Astro sounds intelligent and thoughtful. I wish he had been able to have more education. Can you recommend to him the channel mythvision. There is lots of Bible education that I think he will find interesting.
I don’t hold the beliefs he does but at least he is willing to discuss them and be open to debate, he has been able to develop an nuanced view that is able to see the organisations issues and still hold his faith which is a richer view than most JDubs - who are a bit black and white.
I hope he is able to continue his theological education and wish him all the best.
I think this lovely young mam explained himself very well. I am happy he has found comfort. I hope that he is able to keep his freedom and friendships
Uh oh. Young LADY? I thought Astro was a young man! Oh sorry!
Yeah he clarified in the middle as well that he’s a guy. :)
Oh I do apologise, I’m so very sorry, I will edit reply
I resonated with him a lot. If possible, I would like to get in contact with Astro.
This is a great video and your guest seems more intelligent than most JWs. I just wished you asked him: Is he open to the possible that the bible itself is not inspired? How would he react if he found that not to be the case? I'd love to hear his opinion on that because he keep saying how he came to the conclusion on his own that the JW is the truth, but he never said how he came to the conclusion on his own that the Bible is the truth. It seems like he started with "the bible is the truth" and never really tried to falsify it.
Neurodivergent, loves military history, AND is heavily into trad Christianity?? /pol/ would love him
Loves military history: oh my. JWs would love that😂. Tony Morris was Military. Veteran. Then he became JW. Could never talk about it again.
I’m only at 13:40 and I had to pause the video. The kids rationale is (so far) the exact mindset that I had, what kept me in the church for too long - and what eventually got me out.
Then he said he’s also (also as in ‘like me’, lol) autistic and developmentally delayed!? 😶😦🙌🏼 Alright, heading back in; this kids cool.
If this person gets baptize in this organization, this person is NOT free from accusations, in fact this person will share in the sins of the organization.
Ah, this person sounds exactly like every Witness who is nearly out - because they still believe JWs are the 'best' of the bunch.
And they don’t even have tea and cookies after the KH meetings! So WHY they’re the best of the bunch, I dunno why! LOL😂
I can see where he’s coming from with orthodoxy not matching up with what critical scholars like Ehrman have discovered about the text, but the idea of going to the JWs who base their ideas off crazy numerology and pyramid inches and stuff is crazy. It’s sad to learn that he’s yet another vulnerable person brought into a cult.
8:40.
You've definitely got a great point about Protestants, Astro. There are quite a few Christian doctrines they believe that are not clearly defined/explained in the Bible (not to say that they're not there, they're just unclear). Many of these types of doctrines the Protestants get from the Catholic Church, which is false in their eyes. If the Bible is the only authority, then everything in should be CLEARLY defined right? Otherwise, any human being can have their own interpretation, but then they end up contradicting each other, which creates all these opposing denominations.
I will be praying for you that God guides you to the truth. I know you said you were open to changing your mind/being convinced otherwise, but personally I'd recommend asking God where He wants you to be. (If He's God, He knows the truth, and where He wants you), and perhaps studying the origins of Christianity, and where so many of these beliefs and doctrines originated from.
This is sad but he has been thoroughly warned.
Please Astro watch the video from Awaken Truths about Baptism.
i find saying chat as shat as very funny
What about people who are purposely being blinded and filled Does a loving God kill them. It's also said God chose you when you become a witness so would a loving God choose some and kill others?
He has an unusual high voice
I kinda wonder why his baptism has been postponed 3 times. I wouldn't be surprised if they're holding off because he's a bright and independent mind. He's looking to be part of a community who can be honest and direct with him, but I think he's missing alot of their internal unspoken rules. He doesn't realize he's not really "in" until he can't back out. I'm glad his mom isn't in this religion, and I worry their last test will be to make him cut her off of completely
If you see this Astro: You do you kid, live your life how you want to.
Yea don’t free yourself
I think a lot of us had the same views as Astro at one time.
If JW's are right and everyone else is wrong, I can reconcile being incorrect and being just dead when I die. But can JW's really be happy knowing if they're wrong, the bible teaches they're going to the lake of fire. Astro, don't just do you, research a bit more, run from that cult and keep on running to the real Jesus, not some made up creation of the Watchtower
Yes. As a JW recruit in the 70’s, I overlooked so many red flags, fell in love with the brothers and sisters, loved the attention...it was AFTER baptism I learned and then, having children, learned to say “no more!”to the craziness of some doctrines and got tossed. He, being without “feeling” as he said, and no family “in”, may do fine. Up to him.
I accept that people make mistakes, including the governing body. But where I have problems is when people don't admit mistakes and change. Unfortunately, that's exactly what they do. See the doctrine of 1914, which is biblically untenable.
Wow🤯
You can have a relationship with your Creator without religion. Religion is a artificial substitute for true Spirituality.
The creator of the universe is universal.
No religion is universal.
The creator of the universe is not religious.
Religion is Division
God is ONE.
YES!❤
God is fantasy. You sound like the tipical cultist you try to say you arent. There is jó creator. You are just sick
As an EXJW now Muslum, I would like to possibly speak with you at some time. Because I was raised as a JW but in Kazakhstan. I have not found any other EXJWs in my land yet and I would like to speak with one from a different part of the world.
hey man, shoot me an email so we can chat. pandatowerchannel@gmail.com
im surprised Astro is allowed to speak with a disfellowshipped
Great job my brother i grew up in the Greek congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses totally agree with you regarding the Greek. For example even in Acts 5:29 the kjv adds other in italics because context allows for it dispite the word [other] not being in the Greek main text. Greek is very context base and is heavily relying on context.
Regarding Jehovahs name in the Greek scriptures and Jesus use of it:
To say Jesus didn't use his father's name is to say: Jesus encouraged the human tradition of not pronouncing it.
However, Jesus at Mark 7 calls out the jewish traditions and names several things in the context of Mark 7, note in verse 13 Jesus says those traditions make the word of God invalid and then adds "and many things similar to this you do" that is, traditions that invalidate Gods word not mentioned in the context.
So it would NOT make sense if Jesus condemned those traditions but perpetuate the tradition of not pronouncing his Fathers name, especially since there were further traditions Jesus alludes to in verse 13.
Beautiful interview! Beautiful channel; dont always love everything lol but hey we gotta do what we gotta do. In the end we are all going to be amazed at Jehovah’s Love for all his children and humbled at how foolish we all were in our judgments of others, including witnesses judging others within and outside and those outside judging the organization.
Were all so broken. I know i am lol
We all do our best. As for the Name of God, Jesus is enough for me. Who am I to utter the Name of my Heavenly Father? That Jesus came and dwelt among man is greatly honored by me. ❤
I think (and hope) he won't last long.
At least I'm sure his mom will be there for him when the JWs will start shunning him.
A very wonderful mom
Thats the only way to be a " reasonable " Jehovahs Witness " make up your own beliefs and ignore what the Watchtower says, only liking the bits you agree with.
Archaeology is the reason why to choose the Bible over the Quran etc, but when it comes to Jerusalem, prioritize the Bible over archaeology. So which is it? Does archaeology affirm the Bible, or do you have to choose the Bible first?
Hey there all,
I'm not very tech savy but if u can get in touch I'd be willing 2 have a conversation because, I think, I'd bring an interesting perspective 2 the table.
I'm a born into the Jehovahs Witness faith raised in, left & returned but still learning so much about how to keep a proper view.
It's hard 2 c clearly wuts Right when complications arise & I've had my fair share.
First time here, video sent 2 me...