What If Dobby NEVER Interfered In Harry’s Life? | Harry Potter Film Theory

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    Today J dives into the Wizarding World of Harry Potter to find out what would have happened if Dobby the House Elf never interfered in Harry’s Life! As it is he isnt able to tell him very much anyway and seems like he’s breaking the rules.. What if he ACTUALLY COULDN’T break those rules?!
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  • @angelaphsiao
    @angelaphsiao Před 11 měsíci +638

    Imagine the slug belching curse never backfired on Ron and that became his signature spell

    • @redneckwithajeep5001
      @redneckwithajeep5001 Před 11 měsíci +53

      Now that’s a hex I wouldn’t want cast on me

    • @Dexter-do6hz
      @Dexter-do6hz Před 11 měsíci +32

      just like ginnys batbogey hex 😮

    • @lynnevetter
      @lynnevetter Před 11 měsíci +46

      I love the idea of Ron doing this in the Ministry of magic when they are fighting the filthy death eaters.

    • @user-ui5zr7mi1d
      @user-ui5zr7mi1d Před 11 měsíci +7

      I’d love to imagine Malfoy having to throw up slugs lol i’m a Gryffindor by the way

    • @pokebreederrichard1200
      @pokebreederrichard1200 Před 11 měsíci +4

      Interesting, considering bat boogie hex is Ginny's

  • @alexknj1
    @alexknj1 Před 11 měsíci +863

    Obviously, if Ron has his wand facing Aragog, he casts the slug belching curse in one of the spiders, distracting them all with easier food enough for them to get away.

    • @sarahclapp505
      @sarahclapp505 Před 11 měsíci +25

      And now I can only see a spider 🤮🤮🤮🤮slugs 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢

    • @sethkeown5965
      @sethkeown5965 Před 11 měsíci +19

      Pretty obvious

    • @tvrkm6897
      @tvrkm6897 Před 11 měsíci +19

      He could go super saiyan and go on a fear-driven extermination spree.

    • @NTLMBigBench
      @NTLMBigBench Před 11 měsíci +16

      @@tvrkm6897it’s the legendary……..Super Ginger!
      He might even go Super Ginger 2!

    • @DaddyWarlocks
      @DaddyWarlocks Před 11 měsíci +4

      ​@@NTLMBigBench"kaaa...meee...'aaaa...meee....'AAAA"

  • @twoankles
    @twoankles Před 11 měsíci +273

    Assuming Ron’s wand was loyal to him (as it belonged to Charlie previously), it’s also possible for his wand to refuse Lockhart’s spell against its master Ron and backfire onto Lockhart, which would allow the rest of the original story to transpire lol

    • @alexanderzack3720
      @alexanderzack3720 Před 11 měsíci +24

      but lockhart would have won alegience of the wand, since he disarmed it from ron, similar how harry won over the death wand from malfoy

    • @twoankles
      @twoankles Před 11 měsíci +42

      @@alexanderzack3720 not necessarily. A wand is not always so fickle that it’d change allegiance by a simple disarming spell. If that was the case, Ron wouldn’t after a wand after DA practice with Hermione lol. The elder wand swayed when Dumbledore was severely weakened and Draco was at worst emotionally.

    • @whaddup691
      @whaddup691 Před 11 měsíci +10

      Taking a wand physically transfers allegiance as seen in the deathly hallows

    • @alexanderzack3720
      @alexanderzack3720 Před 11 měsíci +5

      @@twoankles and swapped again when harry ripped wand out of draco´s hand... the elder wand wasn´t even close by.
      my guess why practising the disarming spell in class or the DA doesn´t do that is: the other party doesn´t take the wand and gives it right back. both go into that szenaria EXPECTING that you get disarmed (similar to what dumbledore tried the "not fighting back" part)

    • @twoankles
      @twoankles Před 11 měsíci +8

      @@alexanderzack3720 That’s entirely possible and I do not deny Lockhart could have won such allegiance, I don’t assume so as such formality is not necessary in determining a wand’s loyalty. After all, in the famous words of Ollivander, the wand chooses the wizard.

  • @OkayYaraman
    @OkayYaraman Před 11 měsíci +260

    Seeing that clip of Malfoy made me wonder: Why didn’t Lucius tell him it was Hagrid that got expelled? You’d think he’d be happy to tell him how a half-breed got kicked out of Hogwarts.

    • @leventebardossy5962
      @leventebardossy5962 Před 11 měsíci +34

      It could have harmed Voldemort's future plans for the Chamber. Dumbledore already believed in Hagrid's innocence, he was just not in a position to save him from being expelled. However, as Headmaster, he would do everything to prove his innocence and would likely start an investigation. Hagrid's framing was highly illogical, ad if Dumbledore finds out what the key is to unleash the Basilisk, even if he can't find the entrance itself, would cause serious challenges when Voldemort wants to open it again.

    • @shirleyclingan4228
      @shirleyclingan4228 Před 11 měsíci +10

      Because he was just giving up the diary without knowing what it was. Don’t you remember, had he known what he had he’d never have given it up.

    • @trevorritzke2099
      @trevorritzke2099 Před 11 měsíci +18

      I mean, Malfoy really wants to help the heir. Obviously idolizing and giving them hero worship even without knowing who they are. What do you think would happen if Malfoy learned that the half-breed giant who is an abomination even worse than a mud blood is actually the individual who he wants to help and considers to be a hero. I think that would be something Lucious wouldn't want his son to know.

    • @OkayYaraman
      @OkayYaraman Před 11 měsíci +11

      @@trevorritzke2099 Good point. Although that’s assuming that Lucius actually believed it was Hagrid who opened the Chamber and didn’t know that Voldemort was the true heir of Slytherin. That seems like something Voldemort would brag to his Death Eaters about, especially the one he entrusted the diary to.

    • @alyssaalexander4962
      @alyssaalexander4962 Před 7 měsíci

      At least Lucius didn't give the diary to Draco or Ginny while knowing that it was a horcrux.

  • @kristynheagberg1270
    @kristynheagberg1270 Před 11 měsíci +102

    When I first saw the title of this video my immediate thought was that Harry and Ron would be spider food. Dobby was so inadvertently helpful.

    • @rachelhetrick4139
      @rachelhetrick4139 Před 11 měsíci +5

      That was my exact thought too. Dobby was extremely important to the story because he saved Harry's life inadvertently.

  • @ugolomb
    @ugolomb Před 11 měsíci +214

    This also means that, if Harry and Ron had simply waited next to the car for Ron's parents to return (instead of taking the car), the same thing would have happened: Ron's wand would not have been broken, the Ford Anglia would not have roamed the Forest, and Voldemort would have won...

    • @mienfu9824
      @mienfu9824 Před 11 měsíci +37

      So Molly basically sent a howler to Ron for doing something that saved both his and Harry's life. What a terrible mother!

    • @TheKabuto90
      @TheKabuto90 Před 11 měsíci +21

      @@mienfu9824 Surely you're joking. She had no way of knowing that, she only knew that Harry and Ron had almost died and gotten Arthur in a great deal of trouble at work.

    • @AuroraButterflyx
      @AuroraButterflyx Před 11 měsíci

      Basically 😅

    • @matthewpatrick7263
      @matthewpatrick7263 Před 11 měsíci +15

      @@TheKabuto90 Sending a howler at all to publicly humiliate your son isn't being a good mother.

    • @crowlowin4330
      @crowlowin4330 Před 11 měsíci +8

      If they’d just sent Harry’s owl like the teachers suggested the same would’ve happened… preteen stupidity saved their lives

  • @yourmom19881
    @yourmom19881 Před 11 měsíci +6

    “ the boy who lived until he was eaten by a bunch of giant spiders” sounds like a German nursery rhyme used to get children to behave

  • @sshuggi
    @sshuggi Před 11 měsíci +38

    If Ron had his wand in the forest, he could make the spiders "eat slugs", which is kind of the perfect defense in that moment.

    • @alexanderzack3720
      @alexanderzack3720 Před 11 měsíci +4

      except, at best, he can do that one spider at a time. they are both dead before ron curses a dozen of them

  • @olirothers
    @olirothers Před 11 měsíci +316

    What if Dumbledore never heard the prophecy and still thought it was down to him to take down Voldemort?

    • @barba5209
      @barba5209 Před 11 měsíci +23

      Wow chill Trelawney this is way too speculative

    • @andrewpaden397
      @andrewpaden397 Před 11 měsíci +12

      That’s a good one

    • @olirothers
      @olirothers Před 11 měsíci +7

      @@barba5209 exactly! Be more speculative, Goyle.

    • @lynnevetter
      @lynnevetter Před 11 měsíci +7

      @@olirothers I didn't know you wore glasses....

    • @Jenisonc
      @Jenisonc Před 11 měsíci +10

      What if they never knew about the prophecy and didn't know/think Harry was "the chosen one?"

  • @Avalonia87
    @Avalonia87 Před 11 měsíci +30

    So Dobby would not have been freed. Even if Rons wand snapped in the forest, so it still backfires on Lockhart, Harry and Dobby would only meet for the first time when Dobby comes to Hogwarts with Lucius Malfoy. He would be a weird thing with big eyes and ears, wildly gesturing and Harry would just think, that Dobby is a curious creature, not understanding anything or even knowing of house elves.

  • @Goatnacho_17
    @Goatnacho_17 Před 11 měsíci +363

    Idea: What if Harry went to the Yule Ball with Ginny instead of Parvati
    Edit: Or maybe ‘What if Peter never became friends with the rest of the marauders’

    • @m3ntalhedgehogz243
      @m3ntalhedgehogz243 Před 11 měsíci +9

      this so much this

    • @Gummyz25
      @Gummyz25 Před 11 měsíci +83

      She would awkwardly feed him every food at the ball and god forbid if harry had laces on those shoes

    • @DoktorDaytha
      @DoktorDaytha Před 11 měsíci +18

      @@Gummyz25 well… in the Movie surely… sorry couldn‘t kept my Book nerd to myself

    • @MrEvanNoyes
      @MrEvanNoyes Před 11 měsíci +2

      I thought that was part of another theory vid they did. I'm suddenly not remembering any more and could be making it up, but wasn't there a theory on all 7 years or something. Idk someone else knows lol

    • @straaths
      @straaths Před 11 měsíci +3

      or with Nevile

  • @Prodrummer1603
    @Prodrummer1603 Před 11 měsíci +60

    And it goes even deeper:
    Harry never meets Dobby, He never frees him from the Malfoys.
    And Dobby wont rescue Harry and His Friends from Malfoys Mansion.
    If He even gets to this Point.😅

    • @zweifaltspinsel2563
      @zweifaltspinsel2563 Před 11 měsíci +15

      To add to that: Harry wouldn‘t know anything about handling a house-elf which in turn would have a massive impact on Harry‘s relationship with Kreacher

    • @lb261benza-fu9wt
      @lb261benza-fu9wt Před 11 měsíci +2

      Funny how the whole plot would just fall without dobby, while harry thought his idea of saving him is killing him

    • @StarryEyed0590
      @StarryEyed0590 Před 11 měsíci +7

      Harry might very well drown attempting the second Triwizard Task (he's going to try if he thinks he needs to save Ron and Hermione even if he has no idea how to do it) if Barty Crouch Jr can't come up with another backup plan. He won't find out about the Room of Requirement, and so the DA is probably either discovered early on or never really gets off the ground. This results in Hermione, Ron, Ginny, Neville, Luna, and several other characters lacking critical skills,more than likely getting at least one of them killed if they still go to the Department of Mysteries, and greatly increasing the chance that they will die in the final book. Potentially, Harry and/or other DA members are expelled from Hogwarts (this could potentially get reversed the next year, though). And, of course, as already said, no Dobby significantly impacts how Harry handles the Kreacher situation, and no Dobby means no rescue from Malfoy Manor.
      So basically, Prisoner of Azkaban is the ONLY book where Harry isn't screwed without Dobby there.

  • @aishijain2988
    @aishijain2988 Před 11 měsíci +65

    Idea: Harry in Slytherin, Neville in Gryffindor, Hermione in Ravenclaw, Ron in Hufflepuff. It would be so cool to see all the houses coming together to destroy Voldy Baldy…

    • @beaurichardson450
      @beaurichardson450 Před 11 měsíci +4

      OMG THAT WOULD BE SO COOL

    • @katherinkeegan8601
      @katherinkeegan8601 Před 10 měsíci +11

      Wouldn't Ron be in Gryffindor and Neville in Hufflepuff? The hat definitely put Ron in Gryffindor.

    • @aishijain2988
      @aishijain2988 Před 10 měsíci +2

      Ron was the loyal friend and Neville became the badass gryffindor

    • @alinamagda2547
      @alinamagda2547 Před 6 měsíci

      ​@@aishijain2988 yes, but mind you: ALL the Weasleys had been in Griffindor for GENERATIONS, just like the Malfoys have ALWAYS been in Slytherin.

    • @m33st3rdanny
      @m33st3rdanny Před 5 měsíci

      @@alinamagda2547Yes, but Neville gets to use the sword of Gryffindor.

  • @erikagholston6610
    @erikagholston6610 Před 11 měsíci +22

    I’m glad Dobby was added to the story. He was a great elf.

  • @bendowson3124
    @bendowson3124 Před 11 měsíci +48

    Actually I imagine Lockhart would need to cast "obligate" twice, once for Ron and once for Harry. In which case, if he starts with Ron, Harry might at least be able to save himself by disarming Lockhart and then knocking him out. Harry would then go and save Ginny and once Harry explains to Dumbledore what happened, Lockhart would get arrested and Ron would be sent to St Mungo's.

    • @bennysundance175
      @bennysundance175 Před 11 měsíci +6

      I think he would start with Harry, because he had his wand...

    • @qazmko22
      @qazmko22 Před 10 měsíci +10

      @@bennysundance175 I don't think Lockhart was that intelligent.

    • @alinamagda2547
      @alinamagda2547 Před 6 měsíci +1

      Well... For one thing it's "OBLIVIATE" not "obligate" and for another thing... I doubt the wand would have actually worked. Remember that according to Ollivander 'the wand chooses the wizard.' On that note, I seriously doubt that a wand that had only served the Weasleys who were all kind, honest, loyal and brave would switch allegiance to someone who is a fraud, sly and cunning like Lockhart. It just... doesn't make sense.

    • @bendowson3124
      @bendowson3124 Před 6 měsíci

      @@alinamagda2547 The wand worked in removing Lockhart's memories so I see no reason why it couldn't work on Harry and Ron. I guess it is possible that if the wand had chosen Ron (which it hadn't as it was a hand-me-down), then perhaps it might have refused to obliviate Ron and only worked on Harry.

    • @thedelta4258
      @thedelta4258 Před 5 měsíci

      Which then means Ron can't save Harry from drowning in book seven

  • @Ollie.H-2301
    @Ollie.H-2301 Před 11 měsíci +320

    The only reason they let Harry stay at the Burrow in Goblet of Fire is because Harry threatened to tell Sirius he was being mistreated. The Dursleys still believe Sirius is a murderer, Harry "conveniently" forgot to tell them he was innocent.
    Edit: I get the point! The Durselys don't know Harry can't do magic, now will you all shut up about it

    • @samstromberg5593
      @samstromberg5593 Před 11 měsíci +20

      Well I'm not sure that was the ONLY reason - I mean he DOES have that internal battle J was talking about, and I think possibly the thought of saying no to Mr Weasly may have had the same effect on Uncle Vernon that Sirius does

    • @Ollie.H-2301
      @Ollie.H-2301 Před 11 měsíci +10

      @@samstromberg5593 Doubt it.
      Yes, Vernon had the internal debate but it was Harry using Sirius as a threat that made Vernon come to a conclusion.

    • @samstromberg5593
      @samstromberg5593 Před 11 měsíci +10

      Plus if the Dursleys are going to Spain then Harry will need a place to stay cause they don't wanna take him or leave him home alone
      Oh and plus I guess whether he stays with them or not doesn't make a huge difference, I think we can pretty safely assume that he reaches the train at the same time as them anyway cause that's what happens first year

    • @samstromberg5593
      @samstromberg5593 Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@Ollie.H-2301 Well but my point is I think he could use Arthur as the same kind of threat in this case

    • @Ollie.H-2301
      @Ollie.H-2301 Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@samstromberg5593 Oh, if they're going to Spain, definitely

  • @zatar123
    @zatar123 Před 11 měsíci +20

    If Harry and Ron escape the spiders there is no reason why Harry couldn't beat Lockhart down in the chamber knocking him into the wall and causing the cave in same as in the original story.
    With the added bonus that Lockhart gets to answer for his crimes.

  • @daviddickey9762
    @daviddickey9762 Před 11 měsíci +46

    Yes it does. Without the 1st time meeting then the bond between Harry and dobby is established for the future. Which means when the trio is captured in the forest they cant call him to help them escape.

    • @TheRealCardoso
      @TheRealCardoso Před 11 měsíci +1

      I think in this video they were only talking about the chamber of secrets since he is important in deathly hallows

    • @louisstalleyyear7224
      @louisstalleyyear7224 Před 11 měsíci

      Ye duh they specify that

    • @ryanpratt6993
      @ryanpratt6993 Před 11 měsíci +4

      He could call Kreacher

    • @gingersnap8543
      @gingersnap8543 Před 11 měsíci +3

      Not only could he call kreacher, but also Harry’s not the one who calls dobby in the first place, aberforth is. Also I feel like the story might be a lot more interesting if when we see dobby at Malfoy manner he’s still owned by the Malfoys, and has an inner turmoil between his wizard family and his loyalty to the one who made the dark lord go away for the first time

    • @shreyasjape1912
      @shreyasjape1912 Před 11 měsíci +3

      ​@@gingersnap8543When in Deathly Hallows Dobby comes to rescue them, he is not owned by Malfoys. Harry tricks Lucius into freeing Dobby at the end of CoS itself. After that Dobby had been working at Hogwarts (taking salary and all). He went to rescue Harry because he thought of him as a friend.

  • @emilygrove8968
    @emilygrove8968 Před 11 měsíci +15

    No, that's the middle of the road Ron's won breaks escaping a spider. And that means everything at the end happens the right way.

  • @siriusleeblueberry5703
    @siriusleeblueberry5703 Před 11 měsíci +45

    I don’t think the horcrux inside of Harry would have let him die to spideys. Likely he would have produced some sort of OP magic like golden flames to save himself when near death. The only reason the basilisk venom would have killed him without Fawks intervention is because that destroys horcruxes. Every other time he’s been in real life or death situations his wand has produced a McMuffin to save him :3

    • @anvos658
      @anvos658 Před 11 měsíci +6

      Yes that is one possibility that is some way the Horcrux acts like the others and protects itself.

    • @thomaszielke866
      @thomaszielke866 Před 11 měsíci +2

      Ooh, this actually spawned a question for me. Presuming Harry and Ron get eaten by acromantulas, does the spare piece of Voldemort’s soul exist?

    • @anvos658
      @anvos658 Před 11 měsíci +4

      @@thomaszielke866 Given its destroyed when Harry dies to a death curse, Harry dying otherwise would still destroy it. Thus why the soul fragment would likely defend itself in some way as the most plausible survival rote.

    • @Lo0serx3
      @Lo0serx3 Před 11 měsíci +1

      I was under the impression the power from the horcrux only matters when he's facing Voldemort

    • @anvos658
      @anvos658 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@Lo0serx3 It has a special power, between the two of them, but the other horcrux have also show ability to defend themselves from being destroyed.

  • @alyssakays367
    @alyssakays367 Před 11 měsíci +75

    It’s a tragic irony that the one time Dobby does successfully save Harry ‘s life (on purpose) it costs him his life. 😢

  • @lynkingg
    @lynkingg Před 11 měsíci +25

    In goblet of fire Vernon had a choice
    make Harry miserable
    or face the wrath of an escaped convict

    • @matthewpatrick7263
      @matthewpatrick7263 Před 11 měsíci +4

      If Vernon could've had Harry out of the house - gone - when those clients came over for dinner, he'd have jumped at the chance.

    • @lynkingg
      @lynkingg Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@matthewpatrick7263 yes

  • @ghazalmirani1445
    @ghazalmirani1445 Před 11 měsíci +33

    I'd be really surprised by Ron's ability to take down dozens of huge spiders without considering his phobia!!..I think it was better if a fantastic beast save them now that we are improvising

    • @louisstalleyyear7224
      @louisstalleyyear7224 Před 11 měsíci

      It’s spelt PHobia😊

    • @ghazalmirani1445
      @ghazalmirani1445 Před 11 měsíci

      @@louisstalleyyear7224 thanks.I'll be surprise if it's my only mistake!

    • @ryanpratt6993
      @ryanpratt6993 Před 11 měsíci

      We don’t know where to find a fantastic beast, though

    • @ghazalmirani1445
      @ghazalmirani1445 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@ryanpratt6993 they are in the forbidden forest! how about a thestral or unicorn

    • @gregmoors1
      @gregmoors1 Před 11 měsíci +1

      I agree, I don’t see any way for Harry and Ron to fight their way out of this. If the car wasn’t there, someone/thing else would have to save them. Most likely the centaurs, perhaps Firenze follows Harry through the forest and goes to get the others when he sees where he and Ron are going, allowing them to arrive in the nick of time for a rescue. Given there’s already centaur rescues in PS and OotP, it would be very repetitive!

  • @togerumisu
    @togerumisu Před 11 měsíci +50

    Great video as always. Here's my own what if to grease the gears of creativity: what if Hermione was sorted into Ravenclaw? She was almost (or is, I don't remember) a hatstall between that and Gryffindor. In the end the hat lead her one way, but what if it led to another? Onto a path where she might not even befriend the other two of the trio in the first place? Though I do admit Flitwick's class on Halloween was left ambiguous in the movies it was with Slytherin so there's a good chance the event that sends her off on the night of the troll attack just never even happens. Just an idea, because throughout all the years Hermione is a constant and present aid to the trio. Without her, what could happen?

    • @ajwinberg
      @ajwinberg Před 11 měsíci +1

      I really like this idea. It would be cool if the Carlin Bros. pursued it.

    • @AuroraButterflyx
      @AuroraButterflyx Před 11 měsíci +1

      Ooh that would be interesting 😮.

    • @bluelemon243
      @bluelemon243 Před 11 měsíci

      Assuming harry and ron survived up to the 3 year (which i belive its true thanks to some damb luck, i can elaborate) and assuming hermione still get the time turner in the third year (reasonable assumption) this is what will happen
      In cannon, what happened is that dambledor saw harry cast a patronus to save himself, realised there was a time travel, realised sirius was innocent and thought of his plan
      The exact same thing will happen here too, and because hermione is the only student with a time turner he will explain her the situation and ask for her help and she will agree
      Now if a single troll was enough to make them friends, a full time travel adventure will also be enough
      Now in the 4 year, haery will probably visit the ravenclaw common room a lot when he has his fight with ron, so he will see thestatue with the diadem so he may will recognize and destroy the diadem in the 6 year when he find it
      If he do that, it will make a huge diffrent and prevent the entire battle of hogwarts, what will happened instead ? I can only guess

    • @StarryEyed0590
      @StarryEyed0590 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@bluelemon243 A Hermione that was never friends with Ron and Harry is NOT going to break Wizarding Law just on a rushed explanation

    • @lxena8033
      @lxena8033 Před 9 měsíci

      There was no hatstall for Hermione. She said the hat did consider her for Ravenclaw, but in the end chose her to go to Gryffindor. A hat stall only occurs when the hat takes more than 5 minutes to place you. And by book, and movie accounts, she wasn't under the hat very long.

  • @red5_skywalker
    @red5_skywalker Před 11 měsíci +4

    "How can you be nearly boneless?"
    That got me good, I was in a fit of laughter for a while! I had to pause the video to calm down 😂

  • @Acerthorn
    @Acerthorn Před 11 měsíci +103

    What if Frank and Alice Longbottom escape from Belletrix with their sanity intact?

    • @Salt_Master_Queue
      @Salt_Master_Queue Před 11 měsíci

      We need your comment to made into a video!

    • @zbanul10
      @zbanul10 Před 11 měsíci +11

      Nothing just no tragic backstory. Maybe nevelle would have more confidence earlier but that’s it

    • @Acerthorn
      @Acerthorn Před 11 měsíci +5

      @@zbanul10 Also, the Longbottoms would be instrumental in the Second Wizarding War. Plus they might have caught Lucious Malfoy trying to slip the horcrux diary into Ginny's cauldron and thrwarted that plan.

  • @Egg_Sandwich1
    @Egg_Sandwich1 Před 11 měsíci +17

    But how does it effect the rest of the saga, like Harry never gets the gillyweed, they never find out about the room of requirement, and they never escape from Malfoy manor

    • @TheKabuto90
      @TheKabuto90 Před 11 měsíci +1

      There is no rest of the series unless there's some way to recover from magically induced memory loss, which as far as we know... there isn't. There's zero evidence to the contrary.

    • @lumpyduckling3522
      @lumpyduckling3522 Před 11 měsíci +1

      I think that the rest of the books wouldn’t happen as Voldemort returns two years earlier and then successfully takes over without Harry too stop him because he is spider food/mindless

    • @gnarmaw7039
      @gnarmaw7039 Před 11 měsíci

      Have you not seen the entire video? Harry is either dead or mindless and voldemort is back in book 2. Asking what about the gillyweed is pointless

    • @olirothers
      @olirothers Před 11 měsíci +1

      I understand your question. Maybe with the horcrux in Harry destroyed by either spiders or Voldemort, the prophecy is broken and dumbledore is free to try take down Voldemort himself. Would he find all the horcruxes? Would he succeed? What about Sirius in Azkaban? Peter/scabbers? Snape? I know what you wanna hear

  • @DG-kd5bs
    @DG-kd5bs Před 11 měsíci +81

    I’d love to see a theory on what if Harry and Ron decided not to be friends with Hermione. Her character provides so much exposition and moves the plot forward on many occasions.

    • @louisstalleyyear7224
      @louisstalleyyear7224 Před 11 měsíci +3

      Me too😊

    • @staticradio724
      @staticradio724 Před 11 měsíci +15

      I saw a comment on another video suggesting: what if Hermione had been killed by the troll in book 1? I always thought that would be awesome to tackle, but it might be too much.

    • @coolnerdlll6053
      @coolnerdlll6053 Před 11 měsíci +5

      @@staticradio724 I think that was me. I still support it.

    • @keithg460
      @keithg460 Před 11 měsíci +5

      Because she lets them copy her notes and homework, I think it would force them to become better students.
      But Harry would probably get stuck at the Potions Riddle.

    • @anvos658
      @anvos658 Před 11 měsíci +4

      @@staticradio724 Honestly you don't have to kill her, just have her sorted into Ravenclaw, where surrounded by people intellectually tilted like her, she'd have a circle of friends, and thus is unlikely to interact with Harry and Ron, which honestly nobody gets the stone then. In that case, ironically Quirell remains possessed and the DADA teacher in year two, or Dumbledore just turns him in to prove Voldermort "survived".
      Hmmm.... not really one of their usual ones that sticks near the script, but that would be an interesting timeline, of what happens if nobody gets to the stone.

  • @Cat_Woods
    @Cat_Woods Před 11 měsíci +12

    Makes you realize just how reckless Dumbledore was in hiring Lockhart and Hagrid was in telling them to follow the spiders.

    • @MadiganinPeach
      @MadiganinPeach Před 11 měsíci +2

      Dumbledore was reckless countless times with his students especially Harry.

    • @SomeGuyWhoPlaysGames333
      @SomeGuyWhoPlaysGames333 Před 11 měsíci +5

      Well, Aragog was obviously good to Hagrid, so he thought he would be the same to Ron and Harry. I’m sure he’d be upset if Ron and Harry told him what the spiders tried to do.

    • @alexanderzack3720
      @alexanderzack3720 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@SomeGuyWhoPlaysGames333 hagrid never listened to anything like that when harry and his friends said the same thing about other creatures hagrid had, you really think he would believe it when they say it about hagrids oldest freind he knew for 50 years?

    • @SomeGuyWhoPlaysGames333
      @SomeGuyWhoPlaysGames333 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@alexanderzack3720 If they told him that Aragog tried to actually kill them, yes.

  • @johnconner9296
    @johnconner9296 Před 11 měsíci +9

    Heres an interesting what if. What if Mundungus didnt aperate away during the battle of the 7 potters?

    • @andeeharry
      @andeeharry Před 11 měsíci +1

      We saw that one in Cursed Child. Moody would have been captured, tortured for information, under the impervious curse to steal from Gringotts

    • @johnconner9296
      @johnconner9296 Před 11 měsíci

      @@andeeharry what would they want him to steal?

    • @andeeharry
      @andeeharry Před 11 měsíci

      @@johnconner9296 It has been a while since I read it, I can't remember

    • @johnconner9296
      @johnconner9296 Před 11 měsíci

      @@andeeharry no worries I was just curious

  • @nicholasroth424
    @nicholasroth424 Před 11 měsíci +4

    Ron uses "Lumos Maxima" on the spiders, and with how scared he is, it is to powerful and damages his wand just enough that when Lockhart tries to memory wipe them it backfires on him.

  • @WeebGirl6824
    @WeebGirl6824 Před 11 měsíci +7

    Can you do "What is Snape was in Gryfinndor" or maybe Draco. I feel like there could be a lot of interesting paths to explore.

    • @ETPangilinan1
      @ETPangilinan1 Před 11 měsíci

      I was about say something that involved people switching houses but i think that one was about Harry being in Slytherin.

    • @WeebGirl6824
      @WeebGirl6824 Před 11 měsíci

      @@ETPangilinan1 Yeah, they made a 8 part Harry in Slytherin series which I really liked so I’d love to see that sort of thing for other characters.

  • @MythStarFire
    @MythStarFire Před 11 měsíci +54

    But what if the Order of the Phoenix had figured out the easiest and safest way to get Harry out of Privet Drive was for Dobby to take him?
    Also Dobby wouldn’t give Harry the Gillyweed in Goblet of Fire, since he wouldn’t be at Hogwarts. He might still rescue them in Deathly Hallows, since he would still be a slave. If they had somehow managed to survive with their minds.

    • @snippydaturtle
      @snippydaturtle Před 11 měsíci +2

      I think this is specifically just the second book

    • @mr.d8747
      @mr.d8747 Před 11 měsíci +4

      @@snippydaturtle *Especiallly if they don't even survive the second book.*

    • @anvos658
      @anvos658 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Given it was a set up by Barty Croutch Jr, he would have found another way to get Harry what he needs, since the plan falls apart if Harry starts so far behind he can't win the maze, or outright performs so poorly the professors decide by the end even though he's "competing" Harry is to just sit at the start of the maze for his own safety.

  • @sharonkeib5619
    @sharonkeib5619 Před 11 měsíci +3

    I’m packing for college and have been waiting all day for this 😁😁

  • @annierowe7431
    @annierowe7431 Před 11 měsíci +1

    love your channel! keep up the good work!

  • @danielsantiagourtado3430
    @danielsantiagourtado3430 Před 11 měsíci +8

    You guys always lift me uo with these theories! You're the best!♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️🙏🙏🙏🙏♥️

  • @MrEvanNoyes
    @MrEvanNoyes Před 11 měsíci +65

    Im very thankful to you boys for single handedly keeping my potter fanatacism at a healthy 8/10. Gonna do another listen through of the audiobooks at work soon thanks Carlin Bros!

  • @paulgarcia9682
    @paulgarcia9682 Před 11 měsíci +6

    Dobby is a free elf

  • @splayairplane3418
    @splayairplane3418 Před 11 měsíci +8

    A scenario I think would be interesting is "What if Harry got the dementor's kiss in OOTP?" I wonder how dumbledore would react to harry, dudley and probably mrs figg getting the dementor's kiss

    • @matthewpatrick7263
      @matthewpatrick7263 Před 11 měsíci +1

      What if the Dementor only got Harry's Horcrux before something stops it?

    • @alexanderzack3720
      @alexanderzack3720 Před 11 měsíci

      yeah... great plan having harry guarded by a squib who is no help to anyone in case of an attack

    • @shreyasjape1912
      @shreyasjape1912 Před 11 měsíci

      ​@@alexanderzack3720Actually OOTP members were keeping watch on Harry secretly all the summer. That day it was Mundungus Fletcher's turn, who I don't remember exactly went to purchase some free cupcakes or something. Mrs Figg mentions to Harry that she would complain to Dumbledore about this.

    • @alexanderzack3720
      @alexanderzack3720 Před 11 měsíci

      @@shreyasjape1912 oh yes letting the coward and criminal keep guard against murderers and terrorist is MUCH better

  • @General12th
    @General12th Před 11 měsíci

    Hi J!
    I love these videos!

  • @figmundsreud9363
    @figmundsreud9363 Před 11 měsíci +6

    As a Lockhart Fan I see this what if as an absolute win

  • @c0stco_hotd0gs
    @c0stco_hotd0gs Před 11 měsíci +11

    i love ur videos and theories so much. thanks j and ben for making quality content 👌

  • @WhoIsThisGodPersonAnyway
    @WhoIsThisGodPersonAnyway Před 11 měsíci +1

    It’s amazing how there’s still solid and significant theories being explored

  • @OliwerV
    @OliwerV Před 11 měsíci +1

    Yeah as soon as i Saw the title i was like “But… they get eaten by spiders then. Right?”

  • @BobTheWulf
    @BobTheWulf Před 11 měsíci +5

    I like that in Hogwarts Legacy they have you follow butterflies into the Forbidden Forest because Ron said that 😊

    • @53prime
      @53prime Před 11 měsíci

      I missed that connection.

  • @lucasjoy6658
    @lucasjoy6658 Před 11 měsíci +26

    I think the horcrux inside harry would have protected him, similar to how he produced golden flames to block Voldemort’s killing curse while unconscious in the battle of the seven potters.
    This comes from Ben’s theory of the golden flames, I understand that dumbledore tells harry that his wand did this because of the graveyard battle but I prefer the explanation that the horcrux is protecting itself when presented with certain death.
    (This doesn’t happen when harry sacrifices himself in the battle of hog warts because he is not holding his wand)

  • @Shitsgettingweird
    @Shitsgettingweird Před 11 měsíci

    Great vid guys

  • @DeadBore
    @DeadBore Před 11 měsíci

    That “shush” in the forest is so funny how did I forget that

  • @dominichindle108
    @dominichindle108 Před 11 měsíci +6

    A world without DOOBY is no world at all

  • @JohnJohnson-br7si
    @JohnJohnson-br7si Před 11 měsíci +3

    Or what if Buckbeak comes to their rescue and flys them out of there, that would also set up Harry seeing Buckbeak later in PoA and why he is willing to let Harry ride him again.

    • @ilbwfy1550
      @ilbwfy1550 Před 6 měsíci

      he would be scared of arogog imo

  • @FatRonaldo1
    @FatRonaldo1 Před 11 měsíci +2

    I feel like Ron would know a spell to repel spiders considering it’s his biggest fear he might have looked into it

  • @mrfunnierthanu
    @mrfunnierthanu Před 11 měsíci

    Gee, that "See Harry loves going to beach" clip was dark... I love it!

  • @alexpayne6753
    @alexpayne6753 Před 11 měsíci +4

    would love to see a what if for if Draco's attempts on Dumbledore's life killed Katie bell or Ron or both

    • @KaiLucasZachary
      @KaiLucasZachary Před 11 měsíci

      They never would have though because Dumbledore always knew about it from the beginning, hence the whole thing with Snape.

    • @alexpayne6753
      @alexpayne6753 Před 11 měsíci

      Ron survives because of a bezoar thanks to harry if slughorn doesn't have one in his supply he would die.
      Dumbledore had snape trying to figure out what draco was doing but draco was being secretive so it is possible he could accidentally kill the wrong person

    • @KaiLucasZachary
      @KaiLucasZachary Před 11 měsíci

      @@alexpayne6753 Fair point. I feel like Dumbledore himself would have been more skeptical of any gifts given directly to himself, but yeah one ended up with Ron, so who knows....

    • @alexpayne6753
      @alexpayne6753 Před 11 měsíci

      Yeah im imagining dracos Character changes significantly if he kills someone considering he lowers his wand leading to either snape managing to secretly kill Dumbledore post locket retrieval or more of a decent for draco in a in for a penny in for a pound moment and he kills Dumbledore

  • @danielsantiagourtado3430
    @danielsantiagourtado3430 Před 11 měsíci +7

    Love your channel and work! Your passion and dedication is incredible!😊😊😊😊❤❤❤❤❤

  • @jameskirk4692
    @jameskirk4692 Před 11 měsíci

    Thank you vry much for this what-if! I love your stories and the way you tell them.
    I never thought about this one before.

  • @nataliamundell6266
    @nataliamundell6266 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Doby was there for character development and to be a loveable antagonist unintentionally (and to allow haveing a car save them and lockhearts thing)

  • @PaulieLauraXombie1331
    @PaulieLauraXombie1331 Před 11 měsíci +6

    He kinda did in the long run and he helped significantly in 7, once he was freed by Harry well in Dobby's interpretation Luscious, he was than free to do whatever he wanted from that point on, we just never got that perspective or story to what happened to him between 2 and his well you know. There is every possibility he was a guardian to Harry even if we didn't know it through the book/movie.

    • @GhalanSmokeScale
      @GhalanSmokeScale Před 11 měsíci +2

      We got much more Dobby in the books. The movies decided to cut him basically til the end.

  • @matthewhenthorn3343
    @matthewhenthorn3343 Před 11 měsíci +3

    The Irony is I forgot about Lockhart's memory charm, so when you gave the outside chance that Harry and Ron survived Aragog, I thought that Harry would have no idea what Dobby was doing when pointing at the diary and Lucius Malfoy. it would have been a minor change but it would have meant Dobby wouldn't have been freed (assuming Harry even knew how).

  • @aseasyas8936
    @aseasyas8936 Před 11 měsíci

    Was listening to the chamber of secrets the other day on audiobook and love your what if scenario videos.
    At the beginning of the book she almost forgets her diary at home instead of taking it to school. This leads to one of a few scenarios where she forgets all about it due to the excitement of the first year of school:
    She takes it to school with her on one of the other years after finding it whilst tidying her bedroom. I think prisoner of Azkaban makes the most sense but goblet of fire would be just as crazy ( and my favourite).

  • @julehisanvhi3333
    @julehisanvhi3333 Před 11 měsíci

    Won Won raptor is one of the best edits I have seen in a long time

  • @danielsantiagourtado3430
    @danielsantiagourtado3430 Před 11 měsíci +3

    How you doing brothers!? Hope good!🎉🎉🎉🎉

  • @andeeharry
    @andeeharry Před 11 měsíci +34

    I am surprised we are doing this one. Without Dobby, there would be no random cake dump, no bars on the windows, harry would be talking to his friends, no escape from locked room, Lucius Malfoy would have cursed Harry at the end of the Chamber, no locked metal gateway to the train, so no flying car, no Whomping Willow, no broken wand, no howler, no midnight meetings, no rescue from Malfoy Manner, he wouldn't have died, no Gillyweed.

    • @MikeDCWeld
      @MikeDCWeld Před 11 měsíci +15

      Without Dobby having interfered, Harry wouldn't have tricked Lucius into freeing Dobby, if he'd even brought Dobby at all, (in part because he wouldn't have known how yet) so Lucius wouldn't have had any reason to try to curse Harry at the end.

    • @ThisIsWizardsHandle
      @ThisIsWizardsHandle Před 11 měsíci +5

      And on top of all that, Harry’s friendship with Dobby caused him ALOT more emotional growth

    • @mr.d8747
      @mr.d8747 Před 11 měsíci +3

      *Yeah but if there's no flying car they just get eaten by spiders.*

    • @andeeharry
      @andeeharry Před 11 měsíci

      @@mr.d8747 Nah, Harry would just Expelliarmous spell. sorry, can't spell it, you know the one I mean. He'd do his famous charm and he'd still live because of the Horcrux. He survived everything else.

    • @mr.d8747
      @mr.d8747 Před 11 měsíci

      @@andeeharry *It's hard to disarm an animal without any arms. Also, Harry isn't invincible, not even against Voldemort yet because he hasn't taken Harry's blood yet. It's explained well in Dumbledore's Big Plan - Prisoner of Azkaban. If Harry gets eaten by the spiders, both Harry and the horcrux inside him would die.*

  • @imaginepageant
    @imaginepageant Před 11 měsíci

    No matter how many times you slip that Voldemort laugh into a video, it makes me LOL every single time.

  • @MasterXehanort96
    @MasterXehanort96 Před 11 měsíci

    I love your shirt! Great video too! Thank you and love from Michigan!

  • @OfficialJamesandco
    @OfficialJamesandco Před 11 měsíci +3

    I used to watch you guys with my dad since the beginning and it makes me happy that you are still around after many years

  • @bigben3106
    @bigben3106 Před 11 měsíci +3

    Honestly, Harry would have probably been safer without him.

    • @GhalanSmokeScale
      @GhalanSmokeScale Před 11 měsíci

      Superficially, yes. But I agree with the sentiment here. The car wouldn't be in the forest, which is the only reason they made it out, and Ron's wand wouldn't be broken, which was just rotten luck on Lockhart's part to grab that one.

  • @mdzaeemzakaria6957
    @mdzaeemzakaria6957 Před 11 měsíci +1

    When Lockhart tries cursing Ron his wand will backfire on him as the wand belongs to ron.

  • @rebeccaschoenmaker8899
    @rebeccaschoenmaker8899 Před 11 měsíci

    I really love your jumper!

  • @Tux_.
    @Tux_. Před 11 měsíci +3

    Ayo i said this ages ago

  • @swifteez13
    @swifteez13 Před 11 měsíci +3

    I’ve never clicked on a video so fast.

  • @MumboJ
    @MumboJ Před 11 měsíci

    8:38 Honestly that "you can have it downloaded before I'm done with this ad read" is a truly inspired endorsement.
    If I didn't already have it installed, that might've convinced me. :P

  • @HannahEvansOfficial
    @HannahEvansOfficial Před 11 měsíci +1

    Love your videos

  • @brandonbrown7312
    @brandonbrown7312 Před 11 měsíci +3

    What if snape survived would really have been a cool one, I feel like he'd despise harry naming his child after him 😂

  • @TeachMeBert
    @TeachMeBert Před 11 měsíci +16

    What if Dumbledore never hired Lockhart?

    • @fashionablechangeling1988
      @fashionablechangeling1988 Před 11 měsíci +1

      I’m not sure how much impact this would have on the story except for CoS being a bit shorter

    • @charlesh9587
      @charlesh9587 Před 11 měsíci

      This is an alternate beginning to Jennifer Craw.

  • @mobythemerpup1515
    @mobythemerpup1515 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Okay I couldn’t stop laughing at the alternate endings ha ha ha ha!

  • @rubygracemoseley8144
    @rubygracemoseley8144 Před 11 měsíci

    “The Boy Who Lived….Until He Was Eaten By Giant Spiders.” Lol! 😂😂 That was pretty freaking funny

  • @joshg6491
    @joshg6491 Před 11 měsíci +4

    Maybe the Malfoys sent him to tell Harry not to come so Harry won't interfere with the plans.

    • @Lovesmusic0218
      @Lovesmusic0218 Před 11 měsíci

      Yes

    • @KaiLucasZachary
      @KaiLucasZachary Před 11 měsíci +1

      Ehhh... Dobby seems genuinely loyal to Harry Potter multiple times throughout the series. And once he's already at the school, Dobby still visits him again. What would be their point in sending Dobby to the hospital wing in the middle of the night?

  • @lynkingg
    @lynkingg Před 11 měsíci +7

    Say it with me
    *We want Chosen Neville back*

  • @tomfrome1007
    @tomfrome1007 Před 11 měsíci

    I want a full series on this

  • @thGmni
    @thGmni Před 11 měsíci

    Great video, guys! It leaves you thinking that no matter if you fail at what you are trying to do, it is very important that you do it. You never know in what way it will work out for you in the end. Dobby is a hero.

  • @rissaallen6298
    @rissaallen6298 Před 11 měsíci

    “How could you be nearly boneless? Like this?” Highlight of the video 😂 13:17

  • @rhiannehamad2269
    @rhiannehamad2269 Před 10 měsíci +1

    I literally just went on holiday to Mallorca, and its really nice there!

  • @lahlybird895
    @lahlybird895 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Okay but I could see a really cool story of the entire wizarding world trying to protect brain-dead Harry in a giant keepaway game with voldey

  • @the_fangirl_cat5829
    @the_fangirl_cat5829 Před 11 měsíci +2

    I think a good new what if after this would be What If Dobby Never Came To The Rescue In Malfoy Manor. Would Harry and his friends still live? How far was Draco willing to go to defy Voldy after refusing to identify Harry? (The easy way out of this is Kreacher saving them but I think that's a bit too easy, don't you?)

    • @alexanderzack3720
      @alexanderzack3720 Před 11 měsíci +1

      i´m not sure if at that point they even know that kreacher is still alive. remember they never came back to grimauld because hermione accidently "told" a deatheater the secret so they could enter the place. they probably expected the deatheaters to raid the place and kill kreacher who tried to defend the home

    • @the_fangirl_cat5829
      @the_fangirl_cat5829 Před 11 měsíci

      @@alexanderzack3720 Exactly! Part of the reason why I dislike this being the easy answer to this What If

  • @dagarnertn
    @dagarnertn Před 11 měsíci

    I wish we could have seen all the “Won’s Ron” blooper out-takes! 😂

  • @kalcheus
    @kalcheus Před 11 měsíci +1

    "See! Harry loves going to the beach" SO WRONG

  • @Bad_Llama
    @Bad_Llama Před 9 měsíci

    The Hermione-Velociraptor mashed up had me dying! Great breakdown of a "What If". I'm really enjoying these. This proves Dobby is a true hero, too, so even more excellent.

  • @AstroPC96
    @AstroPC96 Před 11 měsíci

    Dobby: *Doesnt interfere with Harry's life!*
    Aragog: GG Bro!

  • @mysteriouso6413
    @mysteriouso6413 Před 11 měsíci +1

    You should definatly go to mallorca its an amazing place i’ve been there on holiday twice and i recomened it

  • @maryann4451
    @maryann4451 Před 11 měsíci

    Great idea!

  • @williamblack2904
    @williamblack2904 Před 8 měsíci

    Dobey being the definition of “Task failed successfully.”

  • @jpreston2011
    @jpreston2011 Před 11 měsíci

    Can’t wait for the next Marvel, Pixar, or Disney theory video!

  • @AutoYoung
    @AutoYoung Před 11 měsíci

    The whole Ron wand part reminded me of Leslie from Parks and Recreation. Lol

  • @mmusya793
    @mmusya793 Před 11 měsíci

    The cake gag by Dobby was brilliant!!! Legendary 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💯💯💯💯💯💯

  • @Galaxy_gacha_life
    @Galaxy_gacha_life Před 11 měsíci +1

    Such a good video

  • @rubygracemoseley8144
    @rubygracemoseley8144 Před 11 měsíci

    I just had my birthday and got a little Hedwig stuffed animal! I used to have one but I lost her. She was a normal size like the one in the back of the Carlin brothers’ room. But the one I just got is tiny and very cute!! So now I’m cuddling up to her listening to SuperCarlinBrothers’ Harry Potter videos! Very fun!

  • @sirenatheodyssa
    @sirenatheodyssa Před 11 měsíci

    That’s so cool. I’ve been to Mallorca. Never knew it was somewhere referenced in the book 📕

  • @stecky87
    @stecky87 Před 11 měsíci

    "The Boy Who Lived Until He's Eaten by Giant Spiders" 😆

  • @ChrissiESommer
    @ChrissiESommer Před 11 měsíci

    Dobby being the definition of 'mission failed successfully' 😂

  • @ellie.b.e.
    @ellie.b.e. Před 7 měsíci

    I’m delighted you’ve googled Mallorca. Next up: the funny whelk and British pudding.