New GHB Age of Sigmar Battle Report: Slaves to Darkness vs Seraphon: Be'lakor vs Kroak!!
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This primal miscast at the beginning 😂 Great Entertainment guys❤😂
That primal miscast blew my mind!... his too
Awesome battle! I’d love to see the seraphon list in some different game modes to see how they fair!
Well michael has taken seraphon to two Gt's now so he has a few games under his belt. They will be back on the channel again soon
A lot of mental load added with this battle plan, but I find it good. Definitely one you can get better with practice and I think you will see it a lot at tournaments. Forces defensive castle armies to move.
Thanks for the comment. I think you may be correct, it is a critical thinking battleplan, tough for me ( David ) because I like to run straight forward and make smashing noises lol
Really enjoying the battles guys keep up the great vids!
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One of my favourite reports guys, keep up the great work!
Thank you! There are alot of other seraphon videos on the channel and we are filming another slaves to darkness match up this weekend 😉
Seraphon even with the nerf still has a lot of play, I honestly don't mind the change. Good vid.
Michael did not give up, went to 2 GTs with Starborne following this battle report and still won quite a few games. They faced Null Myriad, fly spam with Belakor, Blades of Khorne and still pulled down some dubs. Thanks for watching our channel!
I wasnt too sad about the Kroak and Slaan nerfs but they could have atleast cut the troglodon down 30 points after reducing his usefulness that much.
That was still a great battle report, i hope the lizards have better luck in the next one.
I agree! Michael was cursed with some challenging casting rolls, on top of a battle plan that turned off his scoring opportunity. He took Starborne to Tacoma and went 3-2, so he has had quite a bit more practice :) We will see how Boise Cup goes this weekend !
totally agree, troglodon is totally useless now, a monster that dont do any dmg( roughly half dmg than litle mounted hero does), only have 1 cast without any bonus. and his spell is really bad and situational only.
i wont take him ever untill it dont come down to 180-220p maximun
Great report once again! Best of luck at Boise gentlemen!
thank you much appreciated!
I go to the Tournament on Sunday, with exact this battle plan. My List is not totally ready for this season but absolutely for this plan. 30 Blood warrior pinning my opponent in his home zone and hopefully score his objectives in the first turn and then slowly working back to my objectives at home
Good luck at the tourney azreal!
You have to cast spells around the Malevolent Maelstrom before moving it up, keep in mind that it explodes at 6 so the trick is to get the dice to 5 and then move it up. Also I highly recommend Geminids of Uhl-Gysh in Seraphon as well, very strong.
It moves before it blows, so load it on up to 6, then move it, then let it blow. (As long as you can move it far enough away.) With the Astrolith Bearer, you can initially set it up further away, but still within 12" of your wizards, to give you the extra movement cushion you might need. Takes some pre-planning, but for the most part it will be about 20" from your wizard(s) when it blows.
@@jonr655 thank you for the clarification
from Chile, I love your reports and how you paint your figures. a hug and keep it up
Thank you so much, Really appreciate the kind and supportive comment
Those chosen. I bring them this weekend on a tournament. They often disappoint, but I also miss them when I drop them out
They either mop the floor with whatever they touch, run across the board and never get into comment, or die to shooting/magic. I absolutely agree with you, hard to leave them out of the list because they are just so badass
@@BattleshockWargaming Its hard to argue against nurgle chosens toughness but playing them as slaanesh solves their issue of being slow. Keep a slaanesh foot sorcerer next to them to give them Oracular visions/ mystic shield and issue them the run and charge command. you auto run them 6 moving them 12"+2d6 charge. For extra lols you can take a slaneesh warshrine to pray a 3d6 charge on the chosen too. I typically never have an issue getting them in combat quickly.
I'm trying to pivot by removing the Trog and putting in an Engine of the Gods. Felt the ability to have a 10x Saurus Warrior summon on turn 2 (on a good roll) would allow me to bank some summoning points and maybe even get another engine to start bringing out more Saurus Warriors. Gonna give a go soon.
Love the idea! Engine of the gods used to be THE unit, would be great to see them utilized more
Primal miscast hooray! Got my Be'lakor almost blown up last weekend, took the full love of mortals... 😅
It happens more than you think! Sometimes it's easy to roll that extra dice when you really need a spell to go off. What's the worst that could happen? Instant death? Totally fine lol
Venomous jaws with the skink optical on your hit roll if you roll a 6 it’s 3 mortal wounds
Great report guys! The primal miscast was awesome 😂. I've a question about the seraphon list. Do you think the warriors are good enough in starborne? They did their job pinning some units but they cost lots of points
I think the saurus in general are a bit underwhelming, melee profile on 4s and bites have to be allocated to 1 unit. They are a decent screen with their 3+ save, but any elite unite can rinse them no problem. They are very easy to pin because they don't do damage as well
that primal micast. I laughed a lot. thx for that xD
In season of war they also had some Problems with those obj on that plan.
We learned alot, if I could do the primal miscast over again, I wouldn't change a thing! #primalmiscast
@@BattleshockWargaming Im confused at the primal miscast for mystic shield? wasn't it successful at a 10? lol
@@BattleshockWargaming So at my tournament I primal miscasted in my 2nd game Turn 1 aswell
I've been contemplating if the high risk high reward of teleporting Kroak himself up the table is worth it and then drop an at least 10 strong unit of guard and probably even a few other units around him instead of using the Trog. Worth it or too risky?
This is a solid tactic, Michael did this many times in the last few tournaments we went to. The temple guard MUST be in range tho, otherwise things can end bad ver quickly lol
I know y'all are busy dudes. With that being said, I hope y'all can make battle reports more often in the future. As always keep up the fantastic work.
We are working to drop at least 6 reports per month right now (2 additional videos for members each month) and we are exploring opening a second studio with some of our competitive team. We hop to be dropping 2 per week soon! If you aren't a member, sign up for extra battle reports and early releases and help us reach our goals :) Thanks for watching our videos, we appreciate you 😉
The Kroak bomb is still good. It would have helped if the priorities had gone otherwise and if you could have rolled better with Kroak. He only got 2 spells off in the whole game. Also I feel S2D army build was a bit of a counter against the Seraphon army.
Michael. You need to change your dice (or your hands) hahahha
All true statements, I wanted an army that could hang with a mw save, and the miscast right after being belakored for 1 turns on top of the shit battle plan did not help the space dinosaurs
Yeah Belakor vs Kroak is nasty as hell. Just making him useless 1 round out of 3 is awful.
Plus as you said, Kroak missed everything with awful rolling.
Hey guys, noob question. I plan to run this exact StD list but with Cabalists instead of HotE. Is that recommended, any advice here?
Awesome battle report by the way, thank you!
Yes, look at the different cheaper units, play alot more screens (cheap units to build a wall in front of your army) to keep your value-pieces alive. Most DMG-dealing units dont care what they crush into, they just kill every single unit, so some fodder is always nice.
I agree with the other commentary, Cabalists is great, just need screens to protect your powerful units and casters, that way you can properly buff and capitalize on the strengths of chosen, knights, varanguard etc
🤣🤣 that was a fun battle report to watch guys!!
Thank you Christine!
So i'm new to AoS and i just got my seraphon army ready. Are the nerfs in the GHB specifically? I havent gotten the chance to buy it yet
GW releases them in FAQs for free on their website. The GHBs will have the new seasonal game rules and points adjustments. New GHBs come out every 12 months roughly.
@@theDEUBabides tysm!
I don't mind this battle plan, I think you just have to focus not over committing. It's better to take less points and score bigger in the end. Then going for big scores early game.
those poor space toads didn't stand a chance with belakor on board ! great battle report as always gents
Thank you! Be'lakor is a great control piece and very helpful, however, I think a combination of battle plan, casting rolls, and turn order made this game go the way it did. Thanks for your support Spartan! We appreciate you :)
less warrior, more raptadon! raptadon with hoarfrost is so much power but for that u need more wizard at foot (skink starpriest or starmaster) or take command encourage with extra spell for all wizards in the army.
These are all good points and good combinations we will just have to wait as the seraphon collection gets painted
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I play STD too and since the new ghb I primal miscast every freaking game 😂 Did that on turn one today too, understand the feeling
Michael miscast with Kroak in almost every tournament game at Tacoma and in Boise lol. Sometimes the dice are vicious lol
Michael repping the bed head straight from the salt factory
LOL! Sometimes I don't have hair, or play Seraphon hahahahaha
David with the literal "blast".
I feel like it is best just to kill your caster before someone else can lol
"Didn't get to see the table before getting nerfed into oblivion!"
*sees Fellwater Troggoths still sold out since February*
*laughs in Gitz*
*cries in Gitz*
For real though, great batrep, all! Super fun, as always (bonus points for the primal miscast at the top of the match; absolutely hilarious)
Cries in gitz with you. Ive been wanting fellwaters forever and still dont have them for the gitz collection
It was refreshing watching a seraphon list look neutered. Seen some really rough games recently.
They are strong, but have some hard counters. It is often Kroak miscasting lol
Nerfed into the ground still placing in every tournament.
They do pretty good, they still have play for sure :)
Maybe try Kroak into a list today isn't a hard counter to him 😂
Belakor in slaves was a super difficult matchup before the nerf.
I almost ran Null Myriad, but that seemed rude lol, I wanted to have an army that had some MW protection and Bel'akor to slow down the damage output, it just kind of went my way. The turn 3 and 4 casting backfired and the battleplan made scoring very hard for Seraphon. I think this list could do just fine if we were to rematch.
Would love a Not starbone troglodon Seraphon List the next Time 👍🏼🇩🇪
We have some spicy coalesced lists in the works :)
@@BattleshockWargaming awesome!
Man that was brutal. 😂
Did you roll bites on your saurus guard?
Yes :) One thing we were made aware of, is that a saurus unit can only pick 1 unit to bite, which seems ridiculous, but limits their damage output when tagging multiple units.
@@BattleshockWargaming yes, dont get why dont they work like melusai skill where everyone hits while 1 model be in range,the 1" on it is absurded
Let's push those spoilers down boys!
Belakor really made it hard to rightfully determine kroaks new warscroll. Would be very different with a more straight forward battle plan. GG guys keep up the great work 👍
Belakor is a very common tournament piece, Michael now has a good working plan for if this pops up again. He went 3-2 at Tacoma the weekend after we filmed this. We will see how Starborne do at Boise Cup this weekend
guys, i was in the exact same position, i got the army as a tournament list and painted it all up nice ready to play and then before i even get to give it a run out they had nerfed it, absolutely killed the army i had built and it annoyed me no end so i sold them and brought into Sylvaneth instead. so im right there with u man it was a really rough nerf imo and has basically made that setup borderline unplayable
ty for all the content guys love these videos and watch them religiously x
I can't find any nerfs to Seraphon recently? When and what did they change?
Sorry to say, armies that get nerfed dont drop from "BROKEN TO BAD" they drop from "broken to very good"...
@@kewanzahedinour7304 why would u be sorry to say? no argumant they are probably still considered very good but definately not by me ty for ur input tho
We still think that the Seraphon rules changes were pretty harsh, but after playing Ogors into Seraphon and getting table in 2 battle rounds, I see why they had to make some changes. Michael was doing 30-40 damage in each hero phase and I had no wards or spell protection. Thats feels bad bro. It's like in the movies when the bad guy is like "Just stay Down" but obviously the good guy has to die trying lol
@@BattleshockWargaming no argument on my part for sure, another reason im glad i sold them, ty for all the great content
bad man has bad thoughts and goes booommm!!!!
All hail Lord Choak! Lol
OMG, DAVID, WHY?! 😂 That IMMEDIATE spellcasting. Absolute madness.
I was wondering how this battleplan would fare with the objectives shutting down. Seems like holding too many objectives can actually be really bad for players. Hold 5 objectives, but if your opponent only takes 1 from you, you suddenly lose 4 objectives next turn. I'm really not sold on this new GHB's battleplans yet... Unrelated, but tangentially, Nexus Collapse is one of the worst battleplans I've ever played.
Michael, your salt was very apparent in the back half of this game, and I definitely feel you. That last miscast was just the garbage icing on top of the horrible situation.
Cheers, lads, I hope you don't need to deal with this battleplan again. Maybe a re-play might be better since, to your points you were making at the every end there, maybe its prudent to only take 1 or 2 objectives at a time. At least, that's what I'll try when I play this one at some point. Take care!
Thanks for watching and commenting on BOTH of our latest videos, you are awesome bro! Michael had a hard time vs Be'lakor lol, but he still went to Tacoma with Starborne and pulled a 3-2! I'm excited to see how he does at Boise Cup this weekend, he has got a lot of reps in since this video. I'll be taking Bonereapers to Boise Cup, wish us luck 😉
Much luck for your event.
I am a simple man. I see the Dark Master, I click like.
Love me some Be'lakor, he just seems to get his points worth lately, and one of the best sculpts recenlt created by games workshop! Thanks for watching :)
Dang, Kroak just did not do anything. Having extra bodies I think would have been vastly more effective.That battleplan was not great. Going up against an army in the S2D that had a ton of mortal wound saves wasn't great. I think the Kroak bomb is just not the list anymore.
Be'lakor is a great counter to Kroak, but turn order and not miscasting, and poss a different battle plan would have made a huge difference. We have been looking at list tech qith kroak in coalesced and it looks quite fun and possibly competetive, so stay tuned ;)
Seraphon are too good, why do GW love them so much? Do they sell really well or something?
They are just like all of us, obsessed with dinosaurs 🦕 lol
I've just started playing S2D, what is giving Chaos Lord on Karkadrak a roll on EoTGs table at the start of the game :) Thank you
It is a command trait called favored of the pantheon :)
@@BattleshockWargaming Thank you very much :) I played this match up for my first S2D game and used the same heros but had varanguard, Pinned the seraphon in the corner and denied so many points. didnt play that battle plan though that looked hard. :) good game guys.
It's my time to shine... First!😂
Thank you for being the first comment! you Rock!
You say he’s an andorian about the chaos lord so he can use those primal dice. You make it sound like only andorian can use primal dice. But it’s every wizard as far as I know
You are correct 😉
Seraphon was waaaay too powerful, needed the nerf. I know it sucks because you had your hard work and effort into prep, and your hopes. However, being on the receiving end, it’s broken. And they definitely had multiple 5-0s in the short time pre-nerf (to include a tournament i played). Don’t forget that StD and Stormcast were both nerfed before the armies were even out/models sold.
This is true! Being on the receiving end also (Dave here) there are some clear counters to starborne, but taking 30 MW in hero phase if you are not one of those armies feels bad dude. Thanks for taking the time to comment :)
I love Kroak's lore, but I hate his playstyle and what he does for Seraphon. It's just really unfun. "Oh I delete your army from across the board on turn 1 gg." I have a hard time feeling bad about the troglodon bomb being nerfed. It was such an obviously abusive and toxic strategy that it was going to get nerfed hard quickly. That strategy was so awful to watch I went from being excited about maybe picking up Seraphon to not even wanting to touch the faction at all.
Can u elaborate, running the numbers, how can Kroak "delete your army turni 1"? :))
@@MrTBass11prior to the nerf, Kroak casts his warscroll spell 4x, 3 units ea taking D3 MW's ea time, assume an avg of 2 MW's each time, that's 8 MW's taken on 3 units. That alone can be enough cripple many of your heroes. Then add Comets Call which can avg another 2 MW's to those 3 units, so that's 10 MWs if they weren't finished off yet. Stellar Tempest into hordes dealing 1 MW to a 1/3 of that unit, Cosmic Crush into your heavy armored troops, Realmshaper Engine into anyone standing near a specific terrain piece, the cosmic power Cleanse the Realms doing basically D6 MW's to anyone standing near our wizards, then add an endless spell into the mix to top it off. Kroak alone can't cripple an army, but you never brought just Kroak, it was all the things that accompanied him in this list that could dish out ~50 MW's in a turn if all went well.
@@DustinDalziel777 Yes i know the combo, i play seraphon and i would NEVER Say It was not very, very strong. But It was also very MU dependant. And sure as hell It could not table the opponent army turn 1. Actually It was and It Is not good at that at all. It Is good to absolutely and surely blast your foot Heroes off the table. But It cant table and army. So maybe i would Say, lets stop whining about a plastic soldier games and Just have fun toghether instead of constantly asking for nerfs? Or this crying creates a lot of noise where Is difficult to discern the actual valid complaints.
@@MrTBass11I would add that this type of list is really only good in the hero phase, does little to nothing in the other phase, is not great at most of the battle tactics, and does not hold objectives well.
@@MrTBass11I would add that this type of list is really only good in the hero phase, does little to nothing in the other phase, is not great at most of the battle tactics, and does not hold objectives well.
These seraphon rolls were pitifull 😂😂
OH man tell me about it, Lord Choke is back at it again
My guess is Seraphon wins. Go Michael! 🎉
Lol David’s primal miscast is a good sign for those Seraphons!
I was wrong 😮 great game guys!
Thank you! We had a blast, this was good practice for Michael, because he ran into a Belakor list at Boise Cup over the weekend LOL. The result was.. very similar LOL
Epic exploding caster top of 1 due to primal miscast, NNNNNIIIIIICCCCCCEEEEEE! LOL
In the name of chaos!!! Seems very thematic for a caster to overcharge his magic from 2 very volatile sources and then it eats him alive like in raiders of the last arc LOL. My buddy runs one with merciless blizzard in an upcoming report and it does MUCH better than mine did LOL thanks for watching
#primalmiscast
Please make this a thing lol. #primalmiscast
Kroak bomb is still a thing. You did everything out of order…
Can you elaborate a bit? Would love to get some feedback on how to maximize this list :)
@@BattleshockWargaming Not sure, but I think he is talking about the Maelstrom Endless Spell as part of it. Cast it initially near your Kroak/Slann group, but utilizing the +6" from the Astrolith. Then load it up with points to max it out at 6 by casting all your spells. Then it moves at the end of hero phase to where you want it. Then it blows up. Takes a lot of pre-planning to get it right, but can hit a ton of units.
Spell casting order should typically be: The +1 to cast spell, then you are going to do your Maelstrom, then Pendulum, Spell Portal, Comet's Call, and Kroak's spell, once through Trog and once through Spell Portal. Then if you have 15 points, go ahead and blast away with Cleanse the Realms if there are enough units near your nodes to make it worthwhile, then do your faction terrain blast too.
The trouble with such a spell dependent list is that 1 miscast early in this combo and you're pretty much done for.
I think for this plan you should also consider not deploying on the objectives in your territory so you don’t start immediately draining them unnecessarily. I’m also wondering if you could have scored surround and destroy as a T1 tactic? I think you could have auto run the trog 6 onto the flank and then teleport a unit onto a different board edge perhaps. Maybe deploy the saurus at the start to do this