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- čas přidán 20. 04. 2022
- I got to drive the 2022 GR86 Premium with the automatic transmission and was surprised with how good it was. You surely lose some enjoyment on canyon roads but for the most part you don't miss the manual. It's great for everyday driving which makes this car well rounded. It's also slightly quicker.
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This is so nice. Very loud and simple looking. Perfect to build a daily with bolt ons.
The best genuine and transparent review I have seen for the GR86, nicely done.
I got my dream career and will be getting this soon as a reward. Great video thank you for the detailed inside
You got it and congrats on the career!
That’s awesome bro! What career?
Hell yeah
Good shit man! Well deserved
Currently driving a 2010 Camry, considering the GR86 for a new daily driver, mostly to and from work, that has more power and is fun to drive.
i traded in my 11 camry for this in the black AT premium. i don't regret it one bit.
I’m waiting for my gr86 to arrive at my local dealership but I’m trading in my 2015 Corolla, I’m so hyped
im in the same situation but a 2009 SE with 80k miles
Don't trade in the camry
@@Carlos.Rivera Why not?
I prefer my manual in traffic. With electronic throttle, it'll creep for you while feet are resting. I find automatic version of GR86 works best if you have it in manual mode all the time. Torque converter and quick shifts (for a regular automatic transmission) makes it very rewarding and smooth, even in city traffic. Also, always being aware of what gear you're in (like in regular manual transmission) means you can blast out of a situation or go from 50% to 100% with absolute control.
In the 86 auto I never liked manual mode, felt super unresponsive and not satisfying, if you leave it in drive it will downshift for you faster, and is a lot more smooth. I usually prefer manual mode but in cars like this they really need a transmission tune or a dct to make the paddles worth it. Same feeling with my 8speed lexus, super smooth but the paddles are just meh.
Definitely feels decently aggressive since it's a 6speed but it still lacks in drama, and doesn't hold gears as long as I'd like it to. This is extremely noticable with an NA powerband you really need a manual to stay in the power and hold the gear while going through corners. Something like a 2.0l supra with the zf8 would be much more suitable with an auto, since the powerband is more user-friendly and you don't have to be at the top of the rpm band to get power.
The gear ratios on the auto trans are also a bit of a letdown, especially for such a low power car. Definitely good for highway, but that's not really the premise of this car. I'd say get the manual or buy a car with a dct or zf8. If you don't care how a transmission changes how a car feels and just want something zippy, just get a miata. Still an enjoyable car, but if you're buying for performance not looks, the auto is a no go.
@@Toymonkeyjr I had it set to track mode when I was using paddle shifter. The car sucks in any other mode...weather shifting yourself or letting the car do it. It puts down power extremely well, so I was totally not concerned about surprised traction issue. If I had this car, it'd be in track mode all the time (unless concern with snow or wet...but I'm not).
@@psewgobind Yeah that's the thing that sucks with modern care driving modes, gone are the days you control how the car reacts with your foot, now you have to press a button.
In an auto, its called punching it or giving it enough throttle to force it to down shift. Most of us who own an auto know how much throttle we need to give for it to down shift. You dont always have to go wot to down shift unless your ecu or tranny is jacked.
@@ACommenterOnCZcams excellent driving technique for a quiet ride
Man you are really straight to the point. I like your style!
Thank you. Trying to get right to it for the viewers
Correction: The GR86 Premium comes stock with lower-spec Michelin Pilot Sport 4 tires, not the far sticker Pilot Sport 4S rubber found on those $200K sports cars you mentioned.
Love the twisty roads, wish I had those here at Michigan haha! The grip and balance of this car is well dialed from factory. Great Video btw!
Michigan has great back roads.
crazy production value for a smaller channel, and good review too. first video ive seen but looking forward to more
Thank you! Plenty coming
I actually really like the Auto FR-S back in the day. Fun car to drive. Just needs more torque.
Needs turbo with 300 hp minimum
That’s one of the things this car improves on from the previous Gen.
@@mrstrawcloud there was a slight improvement YES but it was NOT fixed.
It still has a slight DIP in that area. They basically filled 80% of that dip still leaving 20% dip.
I still don't understand HOW and WHY they could not fix it it ???
@@ACommenterOnCZcams yeah but it’s wayy better than what it used to be and the torque improved throughout the torque curve and it peaks wayy earlier so it’s pretty much fixed. I’ve never heard a reviewer complain about the slight dip.
@@mrstrawcloud if you rev the previous engine and watching the RPMs rise, you WILL see it fall in that area as the dyno shows. SO that dip may have been filled 80% and you are now happy but imagine another 20% of torque in that area... It would even faster.
Maybe a standlone ecu can fix that dip ....
Great review. Might want to brush up on some of the smaller details: Pilot Sport 4 tires, not Pilot Sport 4S. Sounds symposer is just a speaker - not a tube coming off the intake.
Pilot sport 4S lol you really need to do your research 🤨
@@Immortal57 They're the regular Pilot Sport 4, not the 4S. They are two different tires and the Premium GR86 gets the regular PS4.
@@trackntrail2869 yes I know that lol this video is a bit of a joke .
@@Immortal57 oh you know that? Why try to correct me then 🤦♂
@@trackntrail2869 sorry but I find it a bit frustrating when ppl post videos that misinformation viewers
Looks like a fun car to drive! Those Arizona highways are a perfect place to test out all those hot cars. Love your videos!
Thanks for the support Ellen!
Huh? The 2+2 rear seat area is most certainly not "Basically useless". It makes for a decent little package shelf area, kids can fit, and fold the seats down for a surprisingly practical amount of trunk space!
I bought a silver 22 BRZ and I am fully on board with it being nowhere near as good looking as the red GR86. God damn, that is easily the best looking version of this car.
what are the differences?
Silver BRZ is soooo nice , the front end on the BRZ looks way more interesting/aggressive. Silver is so clean . I have one also . I would be bummed if I had a GR , the car has a boxer engine it’s a Subaru at heart
@@McDzy the front end of the GR86 is way More Aggressive it gets people out of the way, my friends said I made a good choice waiting for my 86 because the Subaru has soccer mom vibes
@@midnightquest9758 why you capping bruh. The gr 86 looks 10x better, especially the front bumper. Hate the front end of the new brz
@@alfredodominguez2799 thank you, that dude is smoking some serious stuff. The brz’s bumper is not aggressive at all
So glad this car has a decent auto.
some feedback about the drone shots, keep em clean and edit out the parts where you move it, the experience is jarring
The gr supra you’ve always wanted, just underpowered, cheaper, real vents and fun!
It’s not underpowered. It just has less power than everything else but it still has more than enough
the A90 does have functional vents
@@enz0368 has plenty of fake vents tho
@@Dragon228833 they can all be opened but theres no reason to if the car is just gonna stay stock
@@enz0368 they lied about just opening up the vents. A lot of them can be technically opened but they wouldn’t do anything (ie the fake heat extractors on the hood)
I wish that color looked this good in person. Think I’ll habe to go black. Maybemaybemaybe grey. Lokked good from a distance.
Sometimes I want to trade in my Tacoma and get a speedy little car but one can only dream
I am right there with ya lol. I got a Tacoma which I love but man having a sporty little car would be fun but got to weigh between practicality or speed and currently I have more use for a truck lol.
love the canyon lake drive! it's one of the best! ❤ thanks for the video!!
Nice video quality, especially with the drone footage and all👍🏽
Thank you 🙌
Thank you for Not being Doug DeMuro... that dig got a good chuckle out of me. I love the car that kid gets to drive, but I cant listen to, "THIIIIIISSS is a..."
Just ordered mine yesterday 🥰 can't wait!
Congrats! You will love it
Can't wait for the rocket bunny kit for this
No
god damn I really really want this car. Unfortunately stocks are scarce in my country, so even if you have enough money, you cant buy it.
They won't be at dealerships in the US until late August. I'm going to order one in time for spring 2023.
Just as the world is switching to EVs, we finally have proper ICE cars
I hate the ducktail spoiler. Every time I see it I'm like OMG. And many people in the States seem to actually like it
I dont like it either, it looks hideous
I like it
I love it
It grew on me but I hated it at first as well
Ben you are doing car reviews now. Lol! Nice seeing you again been a while RBGF
Love the car! Makes me miss the BRZ
I prefer the front end on the BRZ but I do like the duckbill spoiler on the 86. I love my 2022 BRZ and I own a 2020 STI .
Great video, considering this car or wrx they are pretty close in price.
Hello. Any good news of long term reliability of automatic model?
These are cool cars.... 10 years will be at copart will 200k on it cause some young guy drove it all over the country lived everywhere and will have a ton of stories..... Cause his dad said you can't do that! Watch me!! haha.
While the Pilot Sport 4 is a nice tire, it's not the same as a Pilot Sport 4S which is what you typically would find on a high-performance, higher price bracket vehicle. The PS4 is more comfort oriented with less grip; the PS4S is sportier and harsher.
Liking the variety of car reviews and not just sticking to Tesla. Any chances you can get a hold of a Hyundai Elantra N Line to check out?
i wonder how the price will compare to the gr corolla
Corolla is supposed to be 40k and up I hope that’s not true though
Love my base auto gr86. Just need better wheels and tires
Yeah they did the base model dirty with the stock wheels lol
The guy tells, they should take off the 8 Inch radio screen. NO GODDAMN WAY. Then I'd be out!
The scenery is amazing. Is that Arizona?
Yep Arizona
Great video...subbed.
Sorry but I disagree with your comment on the headlights coming anywhere near Mark IV supra headlights, I see it closer to the 2013+ Hyundai Genesis Coupe's headlights
Was thinking about getting one but ended up buying a 2021 Focus ST Edition since it was sitting at the dealership ready to be picked up, has more power and will be better for snowy weather. But I'm considering picking one up used in a couple of years as a 2nd car if the used prices are somewhat reasonable. I absolutely love this car. 😍
They hold their value extremely well though
Had 2 of them. While they are fun cars the torque steer really sucks. If only Ford would have kept up with the RS. They had an instant winner of a car, just needed to work out the bugs.
@@biffbastion301 there is virtually no torque steer in the MK4 ST. 🤨
@@cy9nvs Really?? I know both of mine had it when you add more power. I had a 2014 and then a 2018.
@@biffbastion301 that's the mk3
Happy with mine, handling is outstanding but power is somewhat disappointing. I drive an auto due to injuries, it shifts well when you are pushing it but seems off, down shifts hard, not sure the best way to describe it. I still haven't had the opportunity to run it on a track but overall very happy, it gets a lot of drive time.
My gen coupe is auto with paddle shift, i love it. When i am in the mood to rev each gear out and feel the engine breathe and shift when i want, i paddle shiff it, when i simply dont give a shit and just want to drive, throw it in D and let her shift while i relax. Best of both worlds. 👍🏾
I have a Guila and when I’m driving with intent in sport mode I think the transmission is programmed to shift harder because it ‘feels’ more exciting. It won’t shift hard when cornering or when normal driving. The inconsistency worries me because Alfa but I know it’s programmed to behave that way. Maybe there’ll be flash for transmissions in future for you?
I think Autos is the new GR86 is a bad idea, in the old one you can down shift at 57mph to 2nd when its max at 2nd is 58mph while in the 2.0 it wont let you downshift like that, which is pretty annoying that you just dont have that control anymore in the autos. So in my opinion MT in these and Auto or MT on previous Gen.
That engine noise speaker is out of hand first thing I'd do is can that.
The mark ups on these things are insane right now. Just checked and they go for about almost 40k :(
Terrible
‼️ gonna keep y’all posted about this markup. Plan on going to my dealership tmm and seeing if I can catch one for MSRP
@@TheJapfanboy Did you ever find one? If so, did you go for an auto or manual?
@@TheDamHamburger nah I gave up on that and opted for a GR Corolla instead.
@@TheJapfanboy niceee, the GR Corolla looks really good
The clutch on these cars are so light.. I've put 150,000 miles on my 2013 BRZ and never once was annoyed in traffic. No creep when you're at a stand still.. I don't understand why anyone would want an auto 200hp car. Would love to hear an argument besides "traffic". HOWEVER, if they need to offer one make the sales up and keep the car in production for years to come, so be it! I can not wait to put my order in on the 2022 GR86 and drive another 150,000 miles. I've driven almost every modern exotic, modern muscle cars, classic muscle/JDM cars...everything... AND everytime I get back in my BRZ it's so refreshing. Nothing beats the lightweight feel, handling characteristics, and seating position. But the torque dip and build quality has always been its downfall. The new engine is going to make it literally perfect for me. I'm over the moon they went with a larger displacement N/A engine over a turbocharged engine.
I own a manual 240sx, it has a 4 puck sprung clutch with 600 crank hp, that car in traffic SUCKS ... but i built it for the 1/4 mile like 22 yrs ago back when i enjoyed driving it to work even in traffic.
Now i am 47 and i just want to enjoy the drive more so the feel of the shifting. Dont get me wrong, on open roads and no traffic, that manual is GREAT and feels good but i am not always on an open road and no traffic. My mkiv supra is a 4 speed automatic and its VERY responsive and also has manual mode for the 1st 3 speeds.
I would never manual swap it, it shifts good and responds very well when i need it to.
My gen coupe is auto with paddle shift and gear shifter. That one when i am feeling up to reving the motor to feel it breathe and shift when i want, i go to paddle shift mode .. then when i dont give a shit anymore and just want to drive, throw her into D and let her shift ...
Folks got to understand people have various wants and needs. Just because you like or want something doesn't mean the person next to you wants that same experience, the car community needs to understand this more.
@@tonysan1859 Sadly they lack the mental bandwidth to understand that simple concept 🤷🏽♂️
This car NEEDS the manual transmission. Auto is too boring for sporty cars....unless its a drag car.
@@biffbastion301 NEEDS a manual is purely based on opinion and not everyone agree's with it.
Gained a sub man great video
Thank you!
I’m not sure if I should go and buy a 86 now, or if I should wait for the Corolla gr to come out, and buy that one instead
How much u think it will go for?
Well the gr Yaris goes at between 30 and 45k, so I assume that the Corolla will go at about the same price, guess we just have to wait and see
I used to have an ap2 s2000 thinking of the gr86 what y’all think? Upgrade or downgrade?
so which would be better to buy? A Manual or AT. I live in a city where it does get busy and traffic can suck, but I have no Idea how to drive manual, any ideas which is a better option? Please No bias!
If this is your only car and you will have to deal with traffic often I would get the automatic. The manual is more fun but sucks in traffic
Manual. It’s not that bad in traffic honestly.
Pair this up with the Model Y in the garage and bam!
Yo where was the thumbnail taken? We run mountains in Prescott all the time. Have two 86’s that run with an STI and right hand drive FD
It’s just beyond Jerome AZ 89a
@@Gjeebs that’s where we run. You go there often?
A manual transmission in traffic is NOT the worse thing ever.
I recognize that bridge lol. AZ
Saw red one in person it’s bright as F.
On my list from Toyota
nice t-shirt from augsta lol
2:42 hahaha this bit
Super cute😍😍😍...the car is ok too i guess
:35
Ahh ... NO
Nowhere near the MKIV Supra, maybe the S2000
With these cars, just go ahead and order an aftermarket exhaust and downpipe as soon as you drive off the lot.
Ok but can you actually drive it I’m trying to see how it’ll handle at high speed not at Granda speed
Are the speakers a special brand or are they regular factory speakers?
I think Bose
The extra 10k I rather wait and buy the new z with 400hp
I agree. That’s going to be a great car
The base Z is supposed to be 35k, then there are 2 packages each bringing the car up 5k so fully loaded its 45k before taxes/fees.
@@Malinkadink thats going to be a $600+ car payment.
@@Malinkadink if it’s 35k msrp you’ll still be paying 40k at least with tax and dealer markups, just sayin
The Z’s are more muscle car than true sports car. Depends if you want straight line speed or feel of lightweight/ low CoG dancer. Depends on driver to which sensations they enjoy.
More people buy autos in these than in the BRZ so an auto as test drive makes sense
When you have time test drive a BMW iX. New EV SUV like a X5. Thanks, Guy
You're talking about this car like its a track car, remove infotainment for weight? mate this is a daily driver i would really not be impressed if i didn't have native android auto etc.
You are off with your tire specs. GR has sport 4’s not P4S
Where are you driving this sweet little car? By the way I’m 6’5” and fit no problem.
Jerome arizona. 89a
@@Gjeebs nice. Thanks!
Wouldn't Mark I be the original Supra? lol
Manual is sweet
So if you want a manual and can't get one because Big T doesn't give a wet fart about preference orders, compromise and get an auto? No thanks. I've been on two waitlists for 7 months, what are a few more at this point?
Yea I would wait and get what you really want don’t settle
I would get a Supra but if I’m getting one I’d rather get the 6 cyl Supra cuz it’s a Supra I don’t want to spend 45k on a 255 hp
Compared to your M2 how did it feel?
The handling is more connected which is crazy just obviously lacks the power and doesn’t sound as good. It’s less refined but very satisfying to drive quickly in the turns
@@Gjeebs yeah I have an M2 as well and I've been wanting to drive something that's truly lightweight. I bet that has a lot to do with it feeling more connected and direct. 👍
So you like to park in dirt and near sewage?
Do the sewage bugs come with the base version?
Premium only feature
@@Gjeebs Hahahahahah damn!
They weren't too smart barely released any for 22 now 23 price going up $600
You do realize they didn’t do it on purpose right?
There’s the chip shortage so they were smart in that they used them on cars they know they would sell like the crosstrek and ascent. That’s just the market right now.
You really thought they didnt make more hot selling coupes on purpose...
$600 one way or other wouldn’t stop me from buying a car I wanted nor price difference between BRZ & 86.
I wanna put a Lexus 5.0 V8 in it
Do it!
@@Gjeebs how the supra should of been
You didn't rev it out? That's what I came for...
I do in the other video I posted of the 86
@@Gjeebs Thanks man
Is it better than a GTI?
Its a LOT more fun to drive, so yes, its better (as a sportscar).
@@niclasjohansson4333 Have you drove a GTI? I haven’t rode in a GR86 but definitely looks more like a sports car for sure!
Should have made it a removable Targa top or convertible to make it more fun. The last thing I need is another two door hardtop.
The Miata exists
I’m here!
Thank you for being here
Great Videography by Andrew!
That is not a Toyota, that is a Subaru.
Only way to get this car is in a manual
I agree
Sounds cool
Geebs, making money on CZcams is not easy heh? You had all electric car channel, and now ice,
It’s never been an electric channel, it’s an automotive channel
Getting this without a manual transmission is pure sacrilege.
Title says: “if you want a BR86 watch this”
Me after watching this gets up and heads to the driveway:
“No BR86”…. Regrets
It’s a mail in rebate
I 👍 👌 💛
Anyone else click away the min he said automatic transmission?
Complaining about a manual transmission in traffic, turn in your man card.
Caring about transmission in a car in the first place, turn in the man card. Not that deep bro. Go to the gym or read a book. Way more important and life changing than bitching about transmissions.
I prefer the sound of a Tesla when you rev the engine.
Hairdressers car
Not really.
That's the Mazda MX5.
@@zzanatos2001 - also not really.
Definitely a hairdresser car. Even Hybrid Yaris is tougher
@@amcleod6202 - still slower than a GR86.
EV FTW
Not sure why you are here 🤷🏽♂️
better* than that clown doug 🤡