Just left Harbor freight and was upset because I didn't bring any money. I'm going back tomorrow to purchase this and or another blade or hatchet. I need a good custom knife
Harbor freight Buck clone .. it's not a bad knife for the money.. great knife for a beginner.. also a great beater knife... You lose it or mess it up you only lose 20 bucks..
As a kid, way back in the 1960's the Buck was about the most expensive knife in the department store and it was stainless steel. A generation grew up pretty much assuming that that was all there was. I carried a WW2 PAL RH 36 so I never sprang for a Buck, but I get where fancy city people who didn't know better would think that the Buck was all there was. (I'm thinking that some hardware and sports stores also carried Case knives, but most young people didn't buy knives in hardware stores.) So now that I'm about as old as some folk's grandfathers, I know where the legend comes from and how it got started and the legend was born in the department store, not the back woods. Like I said, I was there and you didn't see too many folks hunting for their dinner carrying fancy stainless steel knives back then. As to 440 steel, that was the "super steel" of the day, when it came to stainless. That said, old times at that time wouldn't touch the stuff. BTW, I still use that RH 36 to open steel cans when the can is dented and my can opener can't do the job.
I went to my local Harbor Freight today, after checking stock online, and found that the shelf was empty. I asked a clerk to check stock and they said they always run out of that product early because it's the most stolen product in the store. Maybe some thieves have been watching your videos. LOL
You are right about Buck design not being that old and it coming from other makers designs. The statement about it competing with KaBar for military is incorrect Buck is not on list of those who submitted for test and KaBar traces history furthet back. I also mske knives and do not find it hard to beat Buck in edge retention mine will dress, skin, and cut up multiple elk before losing edge and needing touch up.
You might test a green River knife and an Old Hickory knife side by side with the Buck. Both are High Quality high carbon steel with proper hardening and tempering. A lot of butchers and ranchers are still using the for a reason.
I had an old hickory when I was younger. Had no sheath, I'd wrap it in a rag and stick it in some bailing twine I had holding up my pants. On paper, it should the green river. Those two knives are about as price friendly as it gets haha.
When u sharpen do one side till u get a burr then the other side.....then even strokes side to side like 15 times...u will get a better result more even and sharper
I agree with you. What's your website? I used to sell Buck Knives in the early 80's and they sold by reputation. We also sold Case knives which proved to outsell the Buck's. I have a thing for Ontario Knives.
Most my Bucks are old . I think my newest was early 80s . 2 That I inherited that I am not sure when they were made . They hold a great edge and I think I would not enjoy a newer Buck as much .
Older Bucks had better steel. The ones I had back in the 70s could gut and skin at least 4 animals before needing touch up. I also had an Old Timer that did nearly as well. Always had good luck with Buck but the old ones were better. For EDC I’d carry the Gordon.
Huh, you do know that most things you buy are not made in america, right? I used to buy america made years ago. That became near impossible. Dont blame the consumer, blame the corporations. As an example, I wore Levi's only. Wore then for many many years. From a young age and into adulthood. Then one day I heard that Levi's closed their last plant in america and they moved to mexico. I never bought a pair again. Back then I had other choices. Now ? Nope, not much choice at all. Would love a knife from you but sadly, I just cant afford it. Best to you.
This is going to sound weird but I actually got it from harbor freight. My favorite stone under 50 dollars. Works on cpm steel just as good a the cheap stuff.
@@stonefallknives5518 Got it, thought about that, not sure but I think I the vid, it was implied that it would take 3min to sharpen but left the out that maybe only a lot shorter time from regular use.
@@brucehoyle5366 No, I order all my steel through New Jersey Steel Baron in New Jersey, my micarta from alpha knife supply, my leather from Tandy leather. All USA.
First time viewer. Watched to decide between Buck and clone, but ended up being a commercial for your own knife . No final conclusion / recommendation, so information was basically useless.
Then you didn't watch it. The first 5 minutes and 25 seconds I dull and resharpen both knives and tell you how long it takes for each one. The I tell you how long each hold an edge in cutting a 1 inch twisted sisal rope. Are you deaf or illiterate, because I provided you with both bits of data in the video you apparently didn't watch or didn't pay attention too. Want time stamps 5:25 and 6:20. How lazy are you?
Buy the buck. If you're looking this hard you want the buck. Get the buck. Don't buy the clone lol. You'll get made fun of. I have an older buck 119 looks brand new it's 30 years old. Used it like a flipping prybar as a kid. I bought an old one and sent it in to buck and they fixed it up and sharpened it for free. This guy cannot handle near the capacity buck has. You buy it from him, 10 years he might be out of business. Buck ain't going anywhere.
The right tool for the a Buck 420 HC would be a diamond or ceramic in the field. My dad used to amaze me with his oil stone and soft Pennsylvania Queen carbon steel razor sharp Stockman. Then I discovered Vickers Rockwell hardness scale. If you want to strop up a soft razor edge use a soft steel. If you want harder with better edge retention. IMO the 420HC is optimized with the industrial BOS treatment, is every rendition perfect nope it is mass produced, but with the Forever Warranty, holds a good edge strops up pretty easy on ceramic or diamond. Your claim about your CPM 154 is intriguing and by Jimminey buy American . I will head over to your website and give you the benefit of the doubt and excoriate you if product doesn’t meet expectations if that is fair. I admire confidence even if it is borderline akin to arrogance, a custom smith should absolutely be able to “out value” a production knife. Well treated 8Cr13MoV is better than poorly treated CPM S30V, the Chinese probably do former better than the latter. The Chinese create a hoax when they try to substitute their version of VG10 for Japanese version out of the Seki forges. The Japs produced ATS 34 that was erroneously compared to American 154 CM and it really wasn’t close for edge retention back in the day. So I’m heading over to check out your wares.
@@DavidNefelimSlayer that is me. Every claim I make I have unclipped video footage on my CZcams channel to back up. I admit my shortcomings to anyone so I will also admit the greatest talents. My knives are Second to none and a dollar on me is worth more than anywhere else. At least more so than anywhere else that I know so far. And so far ive bested the bested the buck, beaten the Benchmade, fought the falkniven, outdone an Ontario, and killed the kbar, and . If this is the only video you have seen from me please check out more. I left 8cr13mov and 420 behind a long time ago. For me to be honest requires big statements. This is my career and I want to be legendary knifmaker, not in wall hangers and ornaments but in work horses. This is all very flowery and long winded so I'll stop myself there.
This is not to criticize You You don't strop with diamond or ceramic. That's honing. If you strop my blades with those That's a good way to shorten the life of the edge. Strop with the rough side of leather and to sweeten it add some white, green, or black polishing compound. My cpm154cm will pass though an elk and come out shaving sharp on the other side with this method.
@@stonefallknives5518 my nomenclature problems revealed. I admire your enthusiasm and confidence. True entrepreneurial spirit. I thank you for your response and look forward to shopping on your site.
I was cringing while you did that to those knives, especially the Buck. Hell’ve a way to use a stone.
Just left Harbor freight and was upset because I didn't bring any money. I'm going back tomorrow to purchase this and or another blade or hatchet. I need a good custom knife
Harbor freight Buck clone .. it's not a bad knife for the money.. great knife for a beginner.. also a great beater knife... You lose it or mess it up you only lose 20 bucks..
As a kid, way back in the 1960's the Buck was about the most expensive knife in the department store and it was stainless steel. A generation grew up pretty much assuming that that was all there was. I carried a WW2 PAL RH 36 so I never sprang for a Buck, but I get where fancy city people who didn't know better would think that the Buck was all there was. (I'm thinking that some hardware and sports stores also carried Case knives, but most young people didn't buy knives in hardware stores.) So now that I'm about as old as some folk's grandfathers, I know where the legend comes from and how it got started and the legend was born in the department store, not the back woods. Like I said, I was there and you didn't see too many folks hunting for their dinner carrying fancy stainless steel knives back then.
As to 440 steel, that was the "super steel" of the day, when it came to stainless. That said, old times at that time wouldn't touch the stuff.
BTW, I still use that RH 36 to open steel cans when the can is dented and my can opener can't do the job.
I went to my local Harbor Freight today, after checking stock online, and found that the shelf was empty. I asked a clerk to check stock and they said they always run out of that product early because it's the most stolen product in the store. Maybe some thieves have been watching your videos. LOL
That is crazy, poor Buck! I would never take the edge off 😮
You are right about Buck design not being that old and it coming from other makers designs. The statement about it competing with KaBar for military is incorrect Buck is not on list of those who submitted for test and KaBar traces history furthet back. I also mske knives and do not find it hard to beat Buck in edge retention mine will dress, skin, and cut up multiple elk before losing edge and needing touch up.
You might test a green River knife and an Old Hickory knife side by side with the Buck. Both are High Quality high carbon steel with proper hardening and tempering. A lot of butchers and ranchers are still using the for a reason.
I had an old hickory when I was younger. Had no sheath, I'd wrap it in a rag and stick it in some bailing twine I had holding up my pants. On paper, it should the green river. Those two knives are about as price friendly as it gets haha.
@@stonefallknives5518 Also the metallurgy is excellent.
Yep old hickory is great, but I'd rather have a Buck in S30V Ive used both on my ranch.
Really like your channel. You obviously know your business.
When u sharpen do one side till u get a burr then the other side.....then even strokes side to side like 15 times...u will get a better result more even and sharper
I agree with you. What's your website? I used to sell Buck Knives in the early 80's and they sold by reputation. We also sold Case knives which proved to outsell the Buck's. I have a thing for Ontario Knives.
www.etsy.com/shop/Stonefallknives?ref=simple-shop-header-name&listing_id=1059336812
Ears go boom boom all day long. Wth sounded like a horror movie in the background.
Most my Bucks are old . I think my newest was early 80s . 2 That I inherited that I am not sure when they were made . They hold a great edge and I think I would not enjoy a newer Buck as much .
Older Bucks had better steel. The ones I had back in the 70s could gut and skin at least 4 animals before needing touch up. I also had an Old Timer that did nearly as well. Always had good luck with Buck but the old ones were better. For EDC I’d carry the Gordon.
I curious about the buck BOS heat treatment.
I really want a 119 in 3v and a 112 sport with drop point in 20cv but they don't listen so they can suk it
You should grab a older 119 in 440c and compare it to the newer buck.
My budget only goes so far for tests on others companies products. But I would wager better edge retention and grip comfort in the older ones.
@:58 in video I was triggered. Nearly vomited.
What is your web site for knives
Link is in the video description
The 119 looks nothing like the ka bar
Huh, you do know that most things you buy are not made in america, right? I used to buy america made years ago. That became near impossible. Dont blame the consumer, blame the corporations. As an example, I wore Levi's only. Wore then for many many years. From a young age and into adulthood. Then one day I heard that Levi's closed their last plant in america and they moved to mexico. I never bought a pair again. Back then I had other choices. Now ? Nope, not much choice at all. Would love a knife from you but sadly, I just cant afford it. Best to you.
154cm or vg-10 would be so nice for the 119
If I was a member of the company I would recommend a run of them in one of the higher end metals.
3v
Where did you get that sharpening stone at
This is going to sound weird but I actually got it from harbor freight. My favorite stone under 50 dollars. Works on cpm steel just as good a the cheap stuff.
@@stonefallknives5518 might have to get me one and this was a good a test you did
@@osbaldohernandez9174 thank you
Why would you do that to a knife?
30 seconds with a sharping rod, ummm not sure why it takes you that long for either of those knives. But good video.
Ummmm there's a big difference between me grinding off the edge, then creating a brand new one and you touching up a preexisting edge. Wonder no more.
@@stonefallknives5518 Got it, thought about that, not sure but I think I the vid, it was implied that it would take 3min to sharpen but left the out that maybe only a lot shorter time from regular use.
Is your steel global product.
As in do I ship the knives I make globally?
Do you use steel from China.
In your knives.
@@brucehoyle5366 No, I order all my steel through New Jersey Steel Baron in New Jersey, my micarta from alpha knife supply, my leather from Tandy leather. All USA.
47 seconds in i wept. i'm sorry but i cant watch any further.
To much overkill in cutlery now a days..oh well i guess thats what sells today.
Stop!!! It's not sharp anymore I swear!
🤣🤣🤣
10:40 and those steels are?
Some companies used w2 and 5160.
Well, there's 17 minutes I'll never get back. Nothing like blowing your own horn, huh?
Oh I wouldn't know about that
Can you make me a knife
Absolutely
First time viewer. Watched to decide between Buck and clone, but ended up being a commercial for your own knife . No final conclusion / recommendation, so information was basically useless.
Then you didn't watch it. The first 5 minutes and 25 seconds I dull and resharpen both knives and tell you how long it takes for each one. The I tell you how long each hold an edge in cutting a 1 inch twisted sisal rope. Are you deaf or illiterate, because I provided you with both bits of data in the video you apparently didn't watch or didn't pay attention too. Want time stamps 5:25 and 6:20. How lazy are you?
Buy the buck. If you're looking this hard you want the buck. Get the buck. Don't buy the clone lol. You'll get made fun of. I have an older buck 119 looks brand new it's 30 years old. Used it like a flipping prybar as a kid. I bought an old one and sent it in to buck and they fixed it up and sharpened it for free. This guy cannot handle near the capacity buck has. You buy it from him, 10 years he might be out of business. Buck ain't going anywhere.
@@willfoster9715 truth
I'll answer the question for you buy the Buck Knife my guy!!!
The right tool for the a Buck 420 HC would be a diamond or ceramic in the field. My dad used to amaze me with his oil stone and soft Pennsylvania Queen carbon steel razor sharp Stockman. Then I discovered Vickers Rockwell hardness scale. If you want to strop up a soft razor edge use a soft steel. If you want harder with better edge retention. IMO the 420HC is optimized with the industrial BOS treatment, is every rendition perfect nope it is mass produced, but with the Forever Warranty, holds a good edge strops up pretty easy on ceramic or diamond.
Your claim about your CPM 154 is intriguing and by Jimminey buy American . I will head over to your website and give you the benefit of the doubt and excoriate you if product doesn’t meet expectations if that is fair. I admire confidence even if it is borderline akin to arrogance, a custom smith should absolutely be able to “out value” a production knife.
Well treated 8Cr13MoV is better than poorly treated CPM S30V, the Chinese probably do former better than the latter. The Chinese create a hoax when they try to substitute their version of VG10 for Japanese version out of the Seki forges. The Japs produced ATS 34 that was erroneously compared to American 154 CM and it really wasn’t close for edge retention back in the day.
So I’m heading over to check out your wares.
Are you Stone Fall Knives on Etsy?
@@DavidNefelimSlayer that is me. Every claim I make I have unclipped video footage on my CZcams channel to back up. I admit my shortcomings to anyone so I will also admit the greatest talents. My knives are Second to none and a dollar on me is worth more than anywhere else. At least more so than anywhere else that I know so far. And so far ive bested the bested the buck, beaten the Benchmade, fought the falkniven, outdone an Ontario, and killed the kbar, and . If this is the only video you have seen from me please check out more.
I left 8cr13mov and 420 behind a long time ago.
For me to be honest requires big statements. This is my career and I want to be legendary knifmaker, not in wall hangers and ornaments but in work horses.
This is all very flowery and long winded so I'll stop myself there.
This is not to criticize You
You don't strop with diamond or ceramic. That's honing.
If you strop my blades with those That's a good way to shorten the life of the edge. Strop with the rough side of leather and to sweeten it add some white, green, or black polishing compound. My cpm154cm will pass though an elk and come out shaving sharp on the other side with this method.
@@stonefallknives5518 my nomenclature problems revealed.
I admire your enthusiasm and confidence. True entrepreneurial spirit. I thank you for your response and look forward to shopping on your site.
@@stonefallknives5518 Stone Falls Knive on Etsy you really need a link there........not a criticism just an observation, Qapla!