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I Played Sphere of Influence for 100+ Hours | My Victoria 3 Review
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- čas přidán 3. 08. 2024
- Wow, it's finally here. Doesn't it feel like we've been waiting forever for this one guys?
Victoria 3's Sphere of Influence DLC is perhaps the most anticipated Paradox product besides EU5/Project Caesar. It was announced a long time ago, and after tragic delays, it's here. It's finally here.
I was blessed to have been given early access to the game, and although that technically makes this review of Sphere of Influence sponsored, I want to be very clear that I have no obligations about what to say. Everything said here is my opinion, and my opinion alone.
That being said, some of my experiences in early access may be different with the coming release, since when the game comes out, there'll be a more updated patch. I do think that most of my gripes and praises for this DLC do still apply across patches, as this review looks more heavily at the design of the DLC.
Bugs can be fixed, but a bad design is a bad design.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing what the community thinks. There's a lot of ill-will for Paradox these days with all the misses they've had, so this DLC really has to knock it out of the park if it wants to be treated well in the community. Time will tell I suppose.
Let me know in the comments if you agree or disagree with my points in the review, and if you're reading this while waiting for the premiere to start, comment below what you're anticipating the most.
Also, if you're watching this premiere, I'll be live playing the DLC on my Twitch channel, and here on CZcams. Watch whichever one you like.
TWITCH: / tarkusarkusarkusarkusar
I also encourage you to ping me on Discord and ask me any questions you like. I'm open to chatting about the game pretty much anytime:
DISCORD: / discord
Chapters:
Intro: 0:00
Economics: 3:07
Diplomacy: 11:12
The Great Game: 18:07
AI And Performance: 19:04
Conclusion and Rating: 20:58
Music:
Glory to the Queen - Victoria 3 OST
Nader Shah - Europa Universalis 4 OST
The Queen is Actually Amused - Victoria 3 OST
Praise the Lamb - Cult of the Lamb OST
The Drakkars - Crusader Kings 3 OST
Flawless Theory - Endless Space 2 OST
Little comment here:
First off, sorry the music was so loud, lol. I think I was rushing to get this video out on time so I messed up the audio balance. Hopefully it's not too bad.
Secondly, Paradox did indeed patch many of the bugs I didn't like in the game, and for that, I'm willing to up my score to an 8. This DLC is VERY good and deserves a ton of praise. I do still think steam reviews will be mixed because of the ill-will against paradox, and some of the particular issues in the game though.
I'm glad you post these reviews. However you are sorely lacking viewer engagement. You almost never respond to any comments, nor any helpful chats in your streams. I understand it is your incumbet to decide how to interact with viewers, but why do you promote a disconnect when you actively pretend to not be? Thank you.,
@@uioongbion2074womp womp
@@uioongbion2074 you are seriously exaggerating
@@uioongbion2074 ???
All good! You realized it and we thank you!
victoria 3 bros we are so back
Let's gooo
Im that weird kid who never left XD
You’ve summoned me
@@guahlg2834I came
Vic 3 counter-offensive
This is one of the most “love/hate relationship” paradox games for me. It is so underbaked but is still addictive and somehow I’ve put more hours into it than CK3. Maybe it’s just cause the map is prettier lol.
ck3 and vic3 are both half baked vastly inferiour sequels so not that big of a statement
Not defending how underbaked it is, but I hate people acting like vicy2 was better and more developed. Shit was fucking barebones. Also not saying you were just thought it was applicable
@@0jacon0ice0vic2 was fun, this game is quite irritating at times
@@mememachine6022 sure i can understand ck3 being called inferior, but vic3? lmfao. vic 2 is a terrible game in which the only better thing is manual control of armies
I dunno, I don't like having my those Vic2 deathstadks. Neither do I like playing as Mexico and dealing with the USAwhen every single one of their generals has +4 attack/defense at minimum
Foreign investment mostly seems angled towards countries like the UK, for building in their colonies. In 1.6, I had many games where Australia and other colonies (Borneo, in specific) weren't building gold mines once the gold fields depleted, making it difficult to turn a profit on those colonial holdings. With the foreign investment mechanic, it circumvents that issue, as you can just build it yourself now.
Building in your puppets is not the same thing as foreign investment though imo. Building in puppets makes the goods enter your market, so it feels better to do, but building in another country with whom you don't share a market gives you only the dividends, and leverage on them. It feels underwhelming to me since there's no tangible consequence to having economy control over a country like that in-game.
@@Tarkusarkusar I thought being economically dependent made the other country get a stronger pro-owner lobby, making it more likely to get them in your market?
@@TarkusarkusarThat's the great part about it! If the devs made foreign investment really op, you would invest more in other regions rather than your own. With the current system you need to rationalize where to invest since, besides profits, foreign investment is also a diplomatic tool that will make a country more reliant on you, that's brilliant.
It's like a more competitive, intuitive and dynamic version of the "influence"/"sphere of influence" system in Victoria II
@@chrisyotas5854 the numbers for this right now are a little off
@@Tarkusarkusar It'd be cool if having economic control of key resources or specific industries would result in higher leverage or more sway over a foreign country, like for example owning clothing factories may have some influence but not as much as owning another countries grain producing farms
The music in the backgrounds gets weirdly loud at some parts
I feel like it made me miss half the video tbh
Closing in on 2k hours of this game. Why do I love it so much. IDEK to be honest. I just like how painting the map feels so damn rewarding unlike other 4x'ers IMO. I am so pumped to go home and play this.
Victoria should have a proper debt system to simulate how investment really worked during the xix.
I totally disagree that foreign investment is pointless. Now I can puppet countries to get their states resources into my market instead of having to conquer their states directly. The ai subjects rarely build the industries my market needs on their own. While yes it is "easier" to just conquer a random chinese state instead, I like to roleplay a bit when I play the game. Puppeting and then massively investing in south american nations as america is far more fun than making them all states in my country. It also feels more historically accurate.
My only hope is that this game not die, the only game that come closer is Anno 1800 but not in the same way
I have loved this game since it came out and I love it now. I don't understand why people don't like it.
I also love the game (although at times it is frustrating). I think people's frustrations with the game come primarily from a lack of transparency in some mechanics, and the lack of options you have to build your country and do diplomacy. For me though, I've always enjoyed the game just because it gives something no other Paradox game does with regards to the in-depth economy and society building.
Warfare was a huge turnoff for me even after all the changes they made I still hate this “hands off” approach. I don’t find the economic system fun either, just build stuff and wait, build stuff and wait. And the fact politics is pretty much rng makes it unfun especially with how easily it just triggers an unfair Civil war.
It's just not a good game lol
Because it was half-broken, dull, boring, cartoonish 'economic simulator', with not much else. 19th century was incredibly interesting, perfect setting for strategy games, yet they made this Mickey Mouse bs....
Ancient Victoria 2, with all its flaws (and a few mods) is still vastly better game.
I believe it comes from vic2 being a very different game, with a different focus. On vic2 if you had lasseiz faire government you could NOT choose what was to be built, it was In the hands of your capitalists, you could not build factories without cement, Austria Germany and the USA bought all the cement? Well unfortunate no building in egipt for now. This made the early game with some nation a real chore, but I still. Had fun because under vic2 I felt I had so much more control and detail of my population. My focus on most of my plays (I usually play with non european/USA) was on educating the population so they could become bureocrats and clerks so I could them use them to collect taxes, on vic3 you may still struge with hiring qualifications, but you don't have much control as of the individual groups. I enjoy vic3, played it way more than I should today, but it's a fundamentally different game. Vic 3 is about building a giant factory nation, that will take labor and turn it into money while keeping itself running. Vic2 felt much more like you where in fact shaping your country, it's culture and population.
For me, I’ve got 1k+ hours in EU4, a couple hundred in Vicky 2, a couple hundred in CK3, and a couple hundred in Stellaris.
My problem with Vicky 3 is it’s really hard to understand WHY something is happening. Your army splits off in a random direction. Why? Who knows. Your alliance ended with an ally for some reason. Why? Who knows. A colony can’t get market access even though you have a water path to your capital and plenty of convoys. Why? Who knows.
I spend more time in the wiki and google than playing the game.
The late game lag is absolutely unbearable, and the warfare system just sucks.
Subbed because of this detailed review. Loved its structure.
11:45 In typical Paradox fashion, its modifiers untop of modifiers rather than something tangible.
That's basically all Paradox games, y'know
@@saffron1627 EU5 looks like it's aiming to buck the trend
Not sure I agree with your example of foreign owned industries shutting down if the owning country goes to war with the country the factory is located.
The owners aren't actually doing anything to run the day-to-day of the factory, they just provided start-up capital. Why would it magically shut down? See Russia and its Mcdonalds franchises continuing to operate despite McDonalds withdrawing from the country.
When I used to play as Great Britain, I used to annex the Raj/EIC straight away but now with the new mechanics, I think it actually works out better for me to actually manage them and integrate them into my market and still have them autonomously managing their own own stuff.
It feels like the foreign investments could be nice for multiplayer. If I am playing with friends it would be a nice way to help each other.
I didn’t think V3 was a bad game. I kept hearing about how great V2 was, so I bought it and had a go myself. I found V2 to be underwhelming in comparison.
We all like different things, making this mostly subjective. When looking around for an alternative game that does economics, population and politics, I couldn’t find anything better.
But if I wanted to play a war game I would play something else, like Imperator Rome for example. V3 really is quite a niche product and I’m surprised it’s as popular as it currently is.
Yeah, I find Vicky 3 has a better economic simulation than Vicky 2. Not to discount Vicky 2, it was my first and favorite Paradox Game until this update.
I massively played Vicky 2 before Vicky 3 and as an old fan, I can tell you you re right. Vicky 2 is an amazing game and Vicky 3 built a lot on it. I don t reckon I ll go back to Vicky 2, since Vicky 3 has 10x everything Vicky 2 has. I even like the warfare of Vicky 3
Vicky 3 really is quite bad.
Agreed. I play both and i like Vic3 more. Both the economic part and warfare part is better in vic3 imho
@@joshuabogert8893 I don’t see the appeal of vic3’s economic system. You just build stuff and wait, build stuff and wait and for what to get more money to build stuff and wait some more.
Vicky 4 when
As someone whos more on the positive/defensive side for V3 I got to say I do enjoy your review/criticisms. They feel very genuine and unbiased in that you not trying to just shit on the game but genuinely see it improve. Hope to see you cover future updates/dlcs
The new power blocs are nice, but some bonuses are absurdly strong and it makes the UK absurdly overpowered because they start with many nations in the block and thus can start using the mechanic day 1
The UK being incredibly powerful is actually historically accurate so I don't have any complains about that!
@@pedrosalvador6341 It as a power bloc or a massive alliance was very powerful, the UK itself was not as strong as it currently is though, it's absolutely ludicrous how they can easily crush anyone, that might have been because of 1.73's bug where the AI thought foreign investments made the provinces theirs so they overbuilt armies by so much it waa ludicrous and the UK obviously was the main culprit so idk
You need to readjust the music. Way to loud
yeah I know. I messed it up in this video cause I was kinda rushing to get it out on time, lol, and I picked music that has a very highly dynamic range.
@@Tarkusarkusarcould you reupload the video with lower music?
@@Tarkusarkusar Please reupload without the music being so loud, I'm genuinely enjoying the review but the music makes it difficult.
YES Everything you said is exectly how i feel. You are Stop on!
Foreign investment is geared toward playing the colonial game, I feel. Before, you can own large swathes of land in Africa and Canada, turn them into colonies, but have no way to spam Rubber plantations and Oil derricks as needed to dominate those key resources when they appear. Now you can do this and supply your own market through the resources of your colonies without having to assume direct control of every bit of colonial land. It's also for fun roleplay as an insanely rich nation like USA. You can now do silly things like fund Liberia just because you want to see an Ameriboo country modeled off your own succeed in Africa as a historical what-if.
i have 571 hours in vic3 and i play all the time but yeah i get bored but i still play all the time
The Phone Shall Buzz
Is your mouse cursor not glitching out now during this game? Mines does.
Yea, I gotta alt-tab out and back in after launching the game.
What happens later in the game? Is the AI more capable and does it produce enough goods?
just waiting on the war dlc now
I think turning foreign countries into interest groups (if they have enough clout) would be way more interesting than just strait puppeteering.
I'm just going to say the british literally did irl go and build railways and industrial goods all over the world, they were the most profitable things so it makes sense, but yet again, railroads NEED to be made more profitable, they were SO profitable in life virtually every country had a period of manically building them, they have been unprofitable for so long
Line go up. Number green 😊
Man I seriously wished I saw your video before I bought it..........
I am still waiting for the combat changes
What’s the map mod name
Great review but the music volume overpowers your voice at times
I tried 1.7 last night, and I can safely say that I liked Vic 3 before, and I LOVE it now!
Sure there are things that could be improved but when 1.5 fixes so many things that should have been there from the beginning, 1.6 was a further improvement to the current game, 1.7 is what defines a Victoria game
I feel exactly the same way about it, only I loved it before and love it either more now.
Couldn’t investment be really useful to build up resources you have a shortage of to then import? For example late game oil.
I'm excited to be back but damn every update I have to relearn how to break this game 😂
Why has victoria 3 lived on and persevered long enough to finally have a successful expansion? Mods. Modders. Mods and Modders.
V3 has never been "circling the drain".
2 bad DLCs in a row and 4k active players speaks volumes of the cope
Out of all paradox game...i enjoy vic 3 more especially cuz the economy.
Don’t let bro cook again 💀
I only play for the line
Vic3 still not ready. I will give it 2-3 years
great video but the music is way too loud
Hi, could you turn down the music a bit in future. I find it difficult to hear what you are saying.
in my opinion victoria is a great game, but i can never get past may 5 1841. the game always crashes after or on that date
I havent played Vic 3 since launch and maybe they changed it from what you said about the public sector investment ?
My favourite part about Vic 2 was looking at what my nation was needing and then going to war / diplomatic reasons to get it. Oh my furniture industry is booming but we are importing a lot of wood. Unstable a country using a bloody civil war then either directly invade and take a portion of land or scoop them under my wing as a sphere of influence so I get first dips at that wood.
Oh that country that used to be my biggest importer is standing on its own now. Well we cant have that can we time for another invasion :D
the game is great
hey man can you make the background music louder? I almost heard what you were saying
Victoria 3 is a great game. Turn down the music your voice is too quiet
I do not recognise the "hate" towards this game! I love it since the beginning. It is one of the deepest and most complex game I have ever played.
It was offensively bad and glitchy and unfinished on release brainless consoomer
The game is very shallow. There's barely any historical flavor, and it seems that they plan to add most of it as paid DLC in the future.
I like this game "Now". Just like any other paradox game... without DLC their game is overpriced shit
Line go up
interesting. I love Victoria 3. I loved it when it came out. But it's mostly the political simulator I like, I guess. I think it's brilliant, honestly. I liked Victoria 2, but I came to it at a time where it needed a mod to play and was just so outdated
Music in this video was great
Dude i barely heard what you said bc of the "glory glooory to the queeeen". Turn the music waaaay down
Literally just fix combat, make it fun and skilled and the game's saved, that's IT. It's so close
Music is too loud.
music same volume as voice
Thanks for the review. Can I ask... talk a little more slowly and clearly? Thanks!
Can private sphere close nonprofitable factories yet? If not I'll pass.
If the factory is empty, it will be reduce automatically after sometime.
This is how it's refered in the patch note "Buildings with several unstaffed levels and that are at least 50% privately owned will now autonomously reduce their privately owned levels if they fail to hire for an extended period of time"
yes, they do now, as Zemasterbenb explained
Can you take over as game director? Lmao
Vic 3 is a good game why are people hating. The game is mindblowing
AMEN on the what foreign investment should be......... Bought the DLC and am about to try it, was hoping this was the point....... UGH
Its not even been out for 100 hours
I think the game would be nearly complete if the army mechanics changed completely, cuz the system they made is just too much out of the player’s control and the way it works is just bad, the rest of the game is pretty much gg
"Foreign Investments are trash" - some of us play the game for fun and sometimes it's to have features that add roleplay options - it is fun to build things in foreign countries. Don't be so whiney.
"Some of us like the game being bad, don't complain about they might fix it and make it more viable and reasonable!"
...what?
"Roleplay" should be actual interaction with good, impactful mechanics. If I wanted to use my imagination and creativity for everything, I'd write a book or play with Legos.
Foreign investment is not useless, its important when you need resources built in other countries without needing to annex them :(
With an unbaked game, releasing an unbaked dlc is sort of criminal. What happened to releasing a good base game and building upon that base?
I love this game 3130 times more than EU 4 even If I am a noob and this video is WAY TOO FAST for me to even understand a thing
:)
I mean the combat system is just abysmal
turn music down man your voice is much better
Why is it addicting? Number go up on graph and map paint go shwoosh.
Mil and dip expanding, varied econs, and nuanced politics are desperately needed.
so you hated it???
R E A L
this game is more complicated then real life economics you need a masters in economics to understand a smidge in whats going on
No many things of IRL economy aren't here like currency, central bank, a proper debt system etc
It's literally just supply and demand there's nothing else to the game's economy, it's as simplr as can be
No?
No lol 😂
At this point it becomes a pattern that paradox release a fuck up game and let the dev fix it, paradox notice it got fixed gets greedy and fuck it up again.
Don't forget the modders patching the holes and bucketing out water the whole time to keep the game floating!
"One of the worst map games...", I am sorry I cannot take your video seriously after that. I only lasted like 20 seconds... Such a terrible take.
vic 3 bros soying over vic2 basegame content in a dlc
Vic2 bros pointing out the one or two things that aren't carried over into vic3, while ignoring all the new things vic3 has and how almost every system that is carried over is improved over the predecessor. Vic2 was fun in its time, but it's a fucking horrible game in comparison to vic3.
Like what exactly?
Really, the spheres of influence in vic 2 is not different from what the custom unions were in vic 3 (excluding the clickfest against AI) and the power blocs are much different from vic2 spheres of influence.
The only thing is the foreign investment, tho in vic 2 is more state foreign investment since capitalist didn't do any foreign investments and the capitalists don't really "own" industries
@@flxjhnlrssn new things? You mean the shitty *warfare system? Or the construction system straight out of hoi4? Or the ugly ass 3d models from ck3? Yeah im glad we got that over a real sequel. Vic2 is still the better game easily
@@mememachine6022 The main new things are actual simulations of the economy, politics, pops, trade, and so on. With actual gameplay connected to it. Which is an absolutely massive improvement that touches on literally every aspect of the game. And then there's also a non-trivial diplomatic system where both player and AI actions actually matter. And maybe most importantly, streamlined gameplay across the board, especially compared to the insane tedium which was vic2 army management. I understand that people don't like the vic3 warfare system, but holy shit you really can't lift up vic2 as an example of how to do it "right", it's straight up terrible on that front.
All the things that people can really criticize vic3 for when compared to vic2 are design decisions, not "worse" systems. Like the army simplifications, or the lack of railroading towards historical events, and so on. No one has "ruined" anything, the designers just prefer things to be a different way than you do. You guys just look like senile old people or something when you go on rants about how much better victoria 2 is. For the vast majority of players, almost everything in vic3 is an improvement over that old broken game. Get over it.
@@flxjhnlrssn first army was a tedium but fun. Vic 2 had an actual economy not this weird monstrum with a mass of arbitrary percentages. Like universities in your a random state give 20% migration on your whole country? The warfare isnt a simplification its not existent. How can you even claim its the same system. The diplomacy is also the most basic shit ever. You can turn your rivals into allies by improving relations and you can have the ai turn on your for no discernable reasons. Power blocs are also arbitrary percentages that are just collect this mana to get this upgrade. And talking about tedium. Vic3 is just a tedious click the same 5 buttons every 2 years. You just change up production methods, or unit types.
The new interface alone makes me want to vomit. Why do I need 3 different interfaces to view buildings? Why does the construction tab have to be a separate button altogether? Why do we need an all tab?
Can't wait for everything in this alpha level product to be redeveloped while everybody pretends its a finished product.
There's no way to please y'all. Did you really expect Victoria 2 Remastered?
@@saffron1627 I'd be happy to start with a functional V3 without 5 different menus for the same information.
Real honestly they should just have 2 tab: "Buildings" and "construction ' also the diplomatic ia is hell
The devs really love to terrible ia
@@saffron1627we expected a half decent game lmao. Paradox shill.
@@genericwhitemale9566 You really want to turn everything into a culture war issue, don't you?
It still sucks imo
Good thing I don't buy Paradox stuff anymore, always under-cooked products along with under-cooked DLC I'm tired of it. EU5/Caeser is gonna suffer the same fate.
It is obvious that you have fallen prey to the multicultaralism meta and cannot understand how revolutionary these changes are. You can play with national supremacy all game long now without problems. You don't need immigrants anymore. You can also play around with slavery. In the past you could indeed conquer other states but it was difficult to employ people there. Now that's no longer a problem. No matter how low their education level is as long as the jobs are not too high class you can do it. That's because the owners of the building can be in your homeland. Also you can build in your vassals. In the past you either had to give the conquered states to vassals to tax them, build in them or core them(if you had multiculti). Now you don't. You can build your nation in europe with peace of mind and then build in your colonial vassals what you lack in resources. Later on when you run out of main culture pops in europe you can just build in the colonies and occasionally build something back home. As long as you build enough troops and navy and have enough building in the colonies you can stay in control. Building military bases with main culture pops in the colonies should have been one of the changes that would be great but it's okay as it is. Also the more backward the colonial government the better. You want industry banned or agrarianism and them serfdom and slavery there too. Land taxation is best taxation. Anyway you get what I mean.