Jane's Addiction Albums Ranked From Worst to Best + Our Top 5 Songs
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
- Welcome to the first ever Listography Jr. Normally on this channel, we rank the studio albums of a band and give our top songs in a separate video. This week, we're covering three bands with smaller discographies and combining the two videos into one! First up is Jane's Addiction with four studio albums.
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Jane's Addiction is an American rock band from Los Angeles, formed in 1985. The band consists of vocalist Perry Farrell, guitarist Dave Navarro, drummer Stephen Perkins and bassist Chris Chaney. Jane's Addiction was one of the first bands from the early 1990s alternative rock movement to gain both mainstream media attention and commercial success in the United States.
Founded by Farrell and original bass guitarist Eric Avery following the disintegration of Farrell's previous band Psi Com, Jane's Addiction's first release was a self-titled live album, Jane's Addiction (1987), which caught the attention of Warner Bros. Records. The band's first two studio albums, Nothing's Shocking (1988) and Ritual de lo Habitual (1990), were released to widespread critical acclaim, and an increasing cult fanbase. As a result, Jane's Addiction became icons of what Farrell dubbed the "Alternative Nation". The band's initial farewell tour, in 1991, launched the first Lollapalooza, which has since become a perennial alternative rock festival.
The band briefly reunited in 1997, with Flea of the Red Hot Chili Peppers replacing Avery on bass guitar. In 2001, a second reunion took place, with Martyn LeNoble-and later Chris Chaney-occupying the role of bass guitarist. In 2003, the band released its third studio album, Strays, before dissolving again the following year. In 2008, the band's original line-up reunited and embarked on a world tour. Eric Avery, however, subsequently left the band in early 2010 as the group began working on new material. The band released its fourth studio album The Great Escape Artist in 2011, with Chaney returning to the band for its recording and subsequent tour, and featured the TV on the Radio's multi-instrumentalist Dave Sitek. In 2016, Jane's Addiction were nominated for induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
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Later this week: Nirvana, Slint
Next week: U2
After that: The Jam, Gene Clark, Don Henley
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Dudes- Nothing's Shocking is a stone cold classic and waaaaaaay ahead of its time. It had such a huge influence on grunge and all the other alternative rock that followed. Also, I think you guys are way underrating Perry Farrell as a vocalist and lyricist. Oh and by the way, there is some stuff on the live album that should not be ignored: 'Trip Away,' 1%,' and ''My Time' are some of my favorites of theirs
At the risk of being the get off my lawn guy, yeah many of these acts had to be experienced at the time to appreciate the severe deviation from the norm. It’s the zeitgeist moment and ya just gotta be there for it.
I Would for You... Another brilliant song from the live album. X
They were a needed dose of creativity for the hard rock scene in the late 80s. I drove through a massive snowstorm to see them at a small club in early '89 - less than 200 people made the trip -- and it remains an all-time, top-ten performance.
5. Jane Says
4. Ted, Just Admit It
3. Three Days
2. Then She Did...
1. Summertime Rolls
Imo, live performance is the true measure of a band. Anyone with a modicum of musical talent can go into a studio with an experienced producer and come out with something good. But to move an audience to rapture with nothing but your voice and your instrument, that will always be the pinnacle to me.
@@AbbeyRoadkill1 Totally agree re: live. After having seen hundreds of concerts over the decades, that I still see that JA performance as a top-tier gig speaks (to me) of how impressive they really were. I remember how refreshing it was to first hear those first few albums and see them translate to the stage. They were a unique hybrid of funk, rock, and psychedelia that broke from the norms of the day.
Hi TLM guys. Glad to see you have the Jam upcoming. Could I suggest for the Jam listography that you include the album "Snap" the very crucial singles/best of compilation ( officially released , or at least signed off , by the band after their break up in 1983) ? So along with the 6 studio albums , would be great if you could include it. Would be a shame to not include many of their singles /b-sides not available on their albums ( much like you did with the Smiths compilation "Louder than Bombs"). There's at least an album's worth of non-album singles and b-sides that were vital to what they were about. Thanks for all the work you guys do. Love the channel
Bought the debut album on the strength of a review that noted how they married the VU and Led Zeppelin. The latter's influence seems more obvious, musically speaking, but I think Lou Reed's willingness to take on any subject matter is reflected in Farrell's lyrics. If y'all would've included it (I consider it their real debut album) you could've done a proper full week, but it's all good.
I bought all three of their initial albums as soon as they were released, so I really liked them back in their heyday. Don't listen to them as much anymore because I am an old fart now, but I still think they are good with Jane Says being my favorite song for all the reasons Joe discussed. It's got the seed of a great short story in it, and I'm a sucker for those types of songs. Plus the empathetic treatment of the characters in this little play is impressive. Ferrell doesn't punch down at people going through some shit, so I gotta give him great credit for that.
I hate saying this type of thing, but I do think they are a little "you had to be there" kind of phenomenon. I think they are acclaimed partly because of what was going on in music at the time. They were distinct. If anybody else sounded like them, I don't know who it might've been. They were certainly not like anything else I had heard at the time. Perhaps artists who followed them and were influenced by them made them sound passe, and as a result they don't seem quite as good now as they sounded then?
Oh to be a music fan in SoCal in the 80s: X, Go Go's, Bangles, Dream Syndicate, Fishbone, Blasters, Minutemen, fIREHOSE, Los Lobos, Black Flag, Rain Parade, Green on Red, Long Ryders, Jane's Addiction, Guns 'n Roses, Pontiac Brothers, Oingo Boingo, N.W.A., the Untouchables, the Gun Club, Redd Kross, Opal, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Social Distortion, Ice-T, Bad Religion, Circle Jerks, and then Motley Crue, Poison and Sunset Strip glam metal. That's a helluva lineup in my book. A musical hangover from the riches of the 70s.
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HOLY SHIT A JANES ADDICTION EPISODE! Ritual De Lo Habitual is a desert island disc for me. Absolutely stunning album. I am so excited you guys did an episode on them.
Me too!
Love Jane’s Addiction
Top five songs:
1. Summertime Rolls
2. Whores
3. Three Days
4. Ted, Just Admit It
5. Mountain Song
The live album is my favorite with Nothings Shocking a close second. My 5 favorite tracks are 1- Ted , Just Admit It 2 - Three Days 3 - Mountain Song 4 - Jane Says & 5 Pigs In Zen. Incredible live band in the late 80's.
Big Jane's fan here, thought I'd share my list (I include the debut because it is predominantly material exclusive to it, kind of like Neil Young's Rust Never Sleeps)
5. The Great Escape Artist - Not a bad record at all, just didn't stick with me.
4. Strays - Fairly maligned record, but has lots of great stuff. True Nature and Hypersonic are killer tracks.
3. Jane's Addiction - The atmosphere on this album is exceptional. The rockers are rough and tumble, and the quiet moments are beautiful. I Would for You and 1% are crucial.
2. Nothing's Shocking,
1. Ritual de lo Habitual - These are top thirty albums of all time for me, both five-star records. The only difference for me is sentimental--I got on board with Ritual and that record, in particular, is just perfect top to bottom. That said, Nothing's Shocking is pretty flawless. The vinyl version doesn't include Pigs in Zen, and it should have all along.
Top ten tracks:
1. Three Days
2. Jane Says
3. I Would for You
4. Summertime Rolls
5. Stop
6. Classic Girl
7. Mountain Song
8. True Nature
9. 1%
10. Ted, Just Admit It
Great list!!
Albums:
Same as Jason, Nothing Shocking is #1, followed closely by Ritual. NS made honorable mention for me in 1988. I have a lot of nostalgia for that album. As a high schooler, my buddies and I were avid mountain bikers and that cassette saw repeated action in the truck when we’d load up to go out on a ride (circa 1991-1993).
Songs:
1. Mountain Song
2. Been Caught Stealing
3. Jane Says
4. Standing in the Shower….thinking
5. Pigs in Zen
the fact that they sounded caught between the 80's and 90's sound is why i always loved this band.
A pretty significant band. Dig that swirling psychedelia and always helps to have a talented drummer like Stephen Perkins.
"Been Caught Stealing," the definitive song for the ballpark DJ/organist to play when a base-stealer is gunned down.
Albums:
4. The Great Escape Artist
3. Strays
2. Nothing Shocking
1. Ritual de lo Habitual
Songs:
5. The Riches
4. Then She Did
3. Jane Says
2. Three Days
1. Been Caught Stealing
Agree with Joe, Navarro never gets mentioned in those 100 greatest guitarists lists and maybe its his reality rep, but I'd put him in there, not way high but he's a way fun listen.
I thought he had a chance to shine in the chile peppers...his playing was fine...but his presence showed that they were missing their main writer...
I was never super into Jane's Addiction. I liked some of their songs, but never owned an album. It's weird, because I love a lot of their contemporaries. I didn't bother with the album ranking because I had no desire to check out the reunion albums, but here's a top 5 songs:
1. Been Caught Stealing
2. Stop
3. Jane Says
4. Mountain Song
5. Had a Dad
Joe nailed it - side 2 of Ritual really is "alternative prog."
Three Days is one of the best rock songs ever written, hands down.
They faded from their best pretty quickly (after two albums - both five stars for me) but I do think they're incredibly good writers. Powerful music, great lyrics, great melodies, great drumming. Janes Says, Been Caught Steeling, Mountain Song, Summertime Rolls, Nothing's Shocking, Ocean Size - all match pretty well with the best of the 90s and other well-known bands of the time. They just couldn't quite keep the consistency up. I love Perry Ferrell though.
Dude in the top left corner has no idea what he's missing. Nothings Shocking is one of the greatest rock albums of all time and it's because of the songwriting. Ted, just admit it is a concert favorite.
Jane’s was treated with respect… great episode!
Thanks guys for doing this up. As you alluded to in the video, they are not your most favorite band but its great to hear people talk about Jane's that were born in the 80's.
For me, Ritual is on my Mount Rushmore of albums.
Hope the Chili Peppers get a chance to be featured on the mighty TLM !
I discovered Jane's in high-school when kettle whistle was released.I was hooked,had to run out and buy the rest of their stuff.Got to see them live around 2002 I think it was.Great show.
Jason I love what you had to say about Perry Farrell. I think you're right, he was the key ingredient that made that band unique.
I agree. The other guys are good and I really like what they bring to the table, but Farrell was the visionary and his voice and lyrics make Jane's Addiction worth listening to thirty years later.
@@burmajones803 Agree
Haven't heard the reunion/comeback albums, but I'd rank the other three 1. Nothing's Shocking, 2. Jane's Addiction, 3. Ritual de lo Habitual. Could easily switch 2 and 3 around but would still give #1 the nod, but not by a lot. 5 songs: Jane Says; Summertime Rolls; Three Days; Ted, Just Admit It...; Classic Girl. I like many, many more songs of theirs though. Still an enjoyable listen, and Of Course is mesmerizing.
@19:16 - "I actually have Nothing's Shocking at #2"..... lolz (Probably from beg to end, one of the top 3 greatest alternative musical works of art in the last 50 years) It's funny how people have such different reactions/opinions to music - it makes it fun to discuss to be sure. And i can understand if Perry's voice isn't for you - but his vocals (delay effect) have always sent the whole F'n thing to the moon for me personally.... as in chillz back in the day with the cans on. They truly captured the "feeling" of a very special era in music (late 80's early 90's) Incredibly epic/intense and artistic like nothing i had ever heard before and tracked perfectly on NS. Nothing's Shocking is my personal favorite record of all time w/ Siamese Dream and maybe only Kid A in the conversation and i'm a massive Pixies fan - so it was very difficult to leave them out of my top 3. Ritual's a very cool record too and it's excellent in it's own right - but doesn't flow as well as NS did for me. It felt more like a collection of some amazing different tracks vs a truly cohesive album like NS did for me. Jane's original XXX live record was off the F'n charts as well... TripAway/1%/My Time/RocknRoll/Sympathy/Wouldforyou - sick. their early show were just off the chain. and if you really want a treat - go listen to their cover of their cover of the Dead's "Ripple"
I didn't really enjoy this week. But I can now say that I listened to every album of JA, Nirvana and Slint!
My album ranking:
Not so Good Albums (2 stars):
4. The Great Escape Artist
3. Nothing's Shocking
2. Ritual de lo Habitual
Good Albums (3 Stars):
1. Strays
Top 5 songs:
5. Everybody's Friend
4. Jane Says
3. Irresistible Force
2. Just Because
1. Three Days
10. Up The Beach
9. Ocean Size
8. Been Caught Stealing
7. Stop
6. Mountain Song
5. Obvious
4. Summertime Rolls
3. Ted, Just Admit It
2. Then She Did...
1. Three Days
Those 2 albums are 5 stars each to me. I haven't really listened to anything else.
I think you had to be around at the time. When Nothings Shocking came out it was so ahead of it’s time most music lovers were blown away. And live they were incredible. I was lucky enough to see them on that tour (w/Lush).
Perry Farrell - the Brave One; Warrior Poet
Never afraid to confront politics, sex and spirituality in his music and make you listen. His voice makes me Feel.
Jane’s Addiction and Porno For Pyros
were love at first listen in my teenage years. The film Gift was also an early introduction to his art.
Psi Com I had on cassette and I really think I wore it out. I love this early sound and if you’re a fan of Jane’s or PFP and haven’t heard Psi Com, you really should.
His album Song Yet To Be Sung helped me through one of the most difficult years in my life. I have him to thank for the Lollapaloozas I attended. He’s a living legend and we’re beyond lucky he still walks among us. His band mates & collaborators throughout the years have been a special lot, including his wife Etty & Satellite Party. 💙
Jane’s Addiction Albums:
1. Jane’s Addiction
2. Nothing’s Shocking
3. Kettle Whistle
4. Ritual De Lo Habitual
5. Strays
6. The Great Escape Artist
Jane’s Songs:
1. I Would For You (S/T)
2. Trip Away (S/T)
3. Jane Says - Live (KW)
4. Pigs In Zen (NS)
5. 1% (S/T)
6. Mountain Song (NS)
7. Slow Divers - Live (KW)
8. Twisted Tales (TGEA)
9. Just Because (S)
10. So What! (KW)
Porno For Pyros songs:
1. Sadness
2. 100 Ways
3. Tahitian Moon
4. Cursed Female
5. Thick Of It All
you did not disappoint my friend 🐯🐯🐯🐯
and i forgot sattellite party
The live album is my favorite as well. I know we at Arista were trying to sign them but Warner Brothers gave them an outrageous deal. They deserved it , as Nothings Shocking proved. I let Bengal know that I can't see his comment. Hope it shows up !
@@davidellis5141 It is an amazing listen for me.. I know it’s weird, I can’t see his comment either?!
gonna write it here i guess
finally perry day is here Whoot Whoot
i am ranking 6 janes as some are
6 the great escape artist 3.5 stars
5 kettle whistle 4.0
4 strays 4.0
3 janes addiction 4.0+
2 ritual de lo habitual 5.0
1 nothings shocking 5.0
and for songs going 10 deep
10 mountain song
9 just because'
8 smores
7 classic girl
6 3 days
5 ocean size
4 i would for you
3 stop
2 aint know right
1 pigs in zen
sorry bud no jane says
bonus PFP
2 good gods urge
1 debut
5 songs
5good gods urge
4 black girlfriend
3 mejia
2 dogs rule the night
1 sadness [ same #1]🐯🐯🐯🐯🐯🐯🐯🐯🐯
Even though I only know the first and half albums, I agree with Jason on Perry Farrel, the energy and being ahead of their time for better and worse, my exact thoughts first hearing them, at the same time not being highest tier albums for me personally, but will definitely be listening to their songs for years to come
Good show - picking between the first two albums is tricky, but while the other two albums are good, there's no denying that the real gems are the first two. Glad to find that even Jason didn't do something totally off here... 🙂
Ranking:
4. The Great Escape Artist (2011)
3. Strays (2003)
2. Nothing's Shocking (1988)
1. Ritual De Lo Habitual (1990)
Top 10 songs (classic format):
10. Then She Did... (Ritual De Lo Habitual)
9. Summertime Rolls (Nothing's Shocking)
8. Classic Girl (Ritual De Lo Habitual)
7. The Riches (Strays)
6. Mountain Song (Nothing's Shocking)
5. Obvious (Ritual De Lo Habitual)
4. Stop! (Ritual De Lo Habitual)
3. Had A Dad (Nothing's Shocking)
2. Three Days (Ritual De Lo Habitual)
1. No One's Leaving (Ritual De Lo Habitual)
Great rankings. I also enjoyed the layout.. Great for bands with a small discography.
They were amazing live band in their prime.
Their prime? I don't think the quality of their shows has ever gone down.
I think you guys have a great idea featuring bands with smaller discographies. I hope you can work in Big Star at some point
I love the idea of tackling several shorter discographies. Jenny Lewis has 4 albums, just saying 😊
Hi Lisa 👋 - The crazy YT Algorithm led me to weather with Betsy on channel 3 for Northern Ohio. I subbed & watch her. She is very entertaining & easy on the eyes ! 😆
@@davidellis5141 the algorithm has pointed me in the direction of some interesting channels as well. I now watch a weekly lottery show and I don't even buy lottery tickets 🤣🤣🤣
@@davidellis5141 Another channel out of Northern Ohio is Bird Watching HQ, they have live feeds of bird feeders. No easy-on-the-eyes humans to look at, just lots of beautiful birds and squirrels. The Cardinals are my favorite for sentimental reasons. My cats love it and it makes nice meditative background noise while you're working.
I've been in love with Jenny Lewis since I was 8 and saw her on the Growing Pain's episode "Ben's First Kiss" , I think she hard wired me to like redheads.
I love Jane’s, so already looking forward to watching this 👍🏻
My Favorite Perry Ferrell song is his collaboration with the excellent Trip/ Hop act Thievery Corporation Revolution Solution which is on their CD Cosmic Game. Really smooth 👌 track.
Also “Blink” Zeds Dead - oh my!
Thievery Corporation triphop? Really?
@@michelewiese48 That one's excellent as well !
@@akselbierman6288 Their not easy to classify , I've been a fan since their debut & they are brilliant .
@@davidellis5141, oh I love them, I’m a long time fan as well. Indeed not easy to classify, I’d put them under downtempo dub electro bossanova pioneers 😜
Excellent collaborations as well, Perry Farrell, David Byrne and many more.
1 Three Days ~ THE Greatest song of the 90’s
2 Summertime Rolls
3 Jane Says
4 Classic Girl
5 Pigs In Zen
I agree with the guys that they never made a great album, but did make two 4 star albums.
Albums
1) Nothing's Shocking - 5*
2) Strays - 4*
3) Ritual De Lo Habitual - 4*
4) The Great Escape Artist - 2.5*
Songs
1) Ted Just Admit It
2) Mountain Song
3) Summertime Rolls
4) Obvious
5) Just Because
6) True Nature
7) Strays
8) Stop
9) Ocean Size
10) Had a Dad
Ha! You're right! You and I see this band very similarly.
Ritual De Lo Habitual - 5 stars (9.6)
Nothing’s Shocking - 3.5 stars (7.5)
Stays - 3 stars (6)
The Great Escape Artist -2.5 stars (5.8)
One big song is how I feel about Deftones albums. But I still enjoy them.
My Ranking:
1. Ritual de lo Habitual (9/10)
2. Nothing's Shocking(8'5/10)
3. Strays (7'5/10)
4. Great Escape Artist (6'5/10)
Top 5 songs:
1. Ocean Size
2. Been Caught Stealing
3. Three Days
4. Just Because
5. Summertime Rolls
Greetings from Canary Islands
Just want to say I love this concept, covering important bands with smaller listographies, reviewing their albums and best songs in one go, and do three over three days. Great idea, guys, keep innovating, keep it fresh! But I gotta wonder…if Joe’s mom objected to Ritual, what did she make of Nothings Shocking?! Probably denied it’s existence! Best, JPE
awesome fellas, I'm closer to Joe on this one back in 88' Nothing Shocking blew us away and kicked 'Appetite for Destruction" to the curb for us suburban teens, and then Ritual really kicked it up a notch two years later. I wasn't a big fan of "Been Caught Stealin'" it seemed cheezy to me back then, but the rest is glorious for me
1st by skipping the 1st/live album you miss GREAT material. After Ritual they lost what made them them. 1%, My Time, I would For You, Trip Away, Chip Away were awesome. Their covers of Lou Reed and The Stones were fun. Its def better than the last 2 albums and gives you more material to review. Its how I was introduced to Janes in the 80s. Back in the 80s and into 90s it was on every shelf, just a smaller label so it now looks like it wasn't official. It was; please find it and listen!
Kramzer I would only give you hate if you said you didn't like *Stephen Perkins*!! Guys, I dont believe you even mention his name!! He is the BEST drummer/percussionist of his time. "Ted Just admit it" is his playground! Idiots Rule, Trip Away, Chip Away, Standing in the Shower, Ocean Size, Aint no Right, 3 Days etc etc hes great. He REALLY comes into form when he breaks off w Perry to do Porno For Pyros. I would listen to their 1st album and its Stephen and Martin LeNobles' world. Check it out. Hes ridic on it (Mejia, Cursed Male, Cursed Female, Bad Sh*t, Blood Rag) . Also check out his work with Infectious Grooves (with Mike Muir post-FNM Jim Martin and pre-Metallica Robert Trujillo) on their 1st album
Then She Did is def best song! ha ha being the "alternative cool guy", loving Janes before they were known, made it tough to endure the overplaying of Jane Says (Cant listen to it now) and especially the Beavis and Butthead juvenility of Been Caught Stealing. UGH. No thank you. Overplayed
Lastly, Joe, I dunno if you knew this about Ritual's album cover but yeah it was on Tipper Gore's list and they actually released a generic white cover with just the band name bc the PMRC backlash. Your mom coulda grabbed that one for you!
I wish they would have included the first one it’s so pure & concentrated
Yeah, the first one deserves to be on the list.
MTV played the shit out of Been Caught Stealing. It was a bizarre video my young mind didnt understand and couldnt comprehend.
Jane's is one of my favorite bands; for what they did, and (like Jason said) for what one knows they probably could have done. I think one reason they later Jane's albums are pretty generic is because Perry was getting all his yucks out with his solo albums. So they didn't really challenge themselves anymore. I also think that not having Eric A in the band made the difference between brilliance and passable. I can easily see how Perry can come off as a bit annoying, but he was the visionary. Eric A was his conscience though. It was almost one of those perfect bands, the chemistry. You have the flashy, endlessly imaginative guitarist, the very strong drummer, and the purist bassist. While Navarro's reputation has taken massive hits, I do think he proved that it was not only Perry who elevated him, when he joined and dominated in the RHCP.
I'm not sure which album I prefer: Ritual and Shocking are both strong from front to back. Of the other two I think "Escape Artist" is much better than 'Strays'.
And while "triple XXX" is a live album IMO it has to be ranked in their main catalog. Some of their best songs 'Whores", "1%", "I Would for U", the hotter version of "Pigs in Zen" are on it. And "My Time".
Forgot about favorite songs:
Three Days - Joe said "as epic as alternative music gets", great quote.
"Whores" - great rocker; love the lyrics
"Obvious" - it has that piano banging; the vocals echoing each other; it's the one forgotten track from Ritual. Love it.
"Aint' no Right" - love that Flanger
"Classic Girl" - beautiful; they did great ballads at times.
But # 1 absolutely is 'Up the Beach' - I saw them do it live the first time when my band opened for them, and I was floored. Still am.
Only heard the first three albums,and Ritual pretty clearly my favorite of those 3,actually made my top 10 albums of 1990,a pretty weak year. "been caught stealing" my favorite of theirs,followed by Stop,Jane Says,three days and mountain song. They also do a pretty nice cover of the Grateful Dead's "ripple". Never got to see them live but I think this type of music would translate well on stage.
10. Idiots Rule
9. Of Course
8. Stop!
7. Ocean Size
6. The Riches
5. Classic Girls
4. Been Caught Stealing
3. Jane Says
2. Obvious
1. Three Days
I think the boys did a good job of justifying a 4disc listography by putting the band in the correct cultural milieu and importance for the age. I think Jason nailed it had they started 5 years later they would have found better form bouncing ideas off bands that came later. Also would just say I came of age in that 1988-1991 and you could actually feel the trends changing by watching MTV and it was a weird period. I always think pf 1990-1991 as an age where Paisley was briefly popular - it was a weird time.
The main reason the reunion albums fell short? Eric Avery’s absence.
Also, I prefer the first version of Jane Says, from the debut, over the one on Nothing's Shocking. Feels more immediate, which suits the subject matter. But both are great. I just love that song. So poignant.
I definitely prefer the version of Pigs on the debut and maybe Jane Says too.
@@179rich pigs is powerful on the debut
I recognize that I might prefer the versions of both those songs on the debut album because they are the first versions I heard. I don't really wanna think too hard about it. 😂 But I like both versions of both songs quite a bit.
If I'm being totally honest, my ratings may be a wee bit overenthusiastic. Nothing's Shocking in particular lost a bit of its luster this time around for me. For my ratings, I kinda reverted back to the enthusiasm I used to have for this band which isn't quite what it used to be these days. I still think this is great music, I just don't hold them quite in as high of esteem as I used to. It just didn't feel right rating these albums any lower than I did.
Incidentally, I am reminded of an interview with Perry Farrell when he described how bummed he felt listening to "Honky Tonk Women" and not getting off on it like he used to.
The Cumulative Life's Journey rating is 5 stars but the Here and Now rating is 4 or 4.5 stars? I can relate to that. I believe in giving in to nostalgia once in a while.
Nothing's shocking about how good their studio debut was, and still is, to my ears. "Had a Dad" is the only track I'm lukewarm about. Every other track was well worth revisiting these 30+ years later.
@@179rich I have to admit Honky Tonk Women has fallen a smidge for me, too- within The Rolling Stones catalogue, that is. I still think it's a rock 'n roll classic.
I like Perry's side project "Porno For Pyro's" better than Jane's Addiction. Perry's voice is also better in that band.
I agree
_Perry, et al: The "Gen X Zep" Ranked_
Top Albums
7. _Jane's Addiction_
6. _Strays_
5. _The Great Escape Artist_
4. _Good God's Urge*_
3. _Porno For Pyros*_
2. _Ritual de la Habitual_
1. _Nothing's Shocking_
Top 5 Tracks
5. Ted, Just Admit It
4. Then She Did...
3. Mountain Song
2. Tahitian Moon*
1. Summertime Rolls
*Meh. It's pretty much the same band & there won't be a P4P ranking. Also, let's just admit it, Jane's was Prog.
I wish you had included the Deconstruction album in this list. It may not be their best but I think it's their most interesting album even without Perry
5. Ted just admit it
4. Ain’t no Right
3. Then she Did
2. Summertime Rolls
1. Three Days
You guys nailed how I've always felt about this band. I kinda dig it but It's never hit me on a deeper level
05) Strays (4.5 stars)
04) The Great Escape Artist (5 stars)
03) Jane's Addiction (5 stars)
02) Nothing's Shocking (5 stars)
01) Ritual De Lo Habitual (5 stars)
0 stars - irredeemably terrible/insultingly bad/the worst
.5 stars - terrible
1 star - bad
1.5 stars - pretty bad
2 stars - fair
2.5 stars - meh
2.75 stars - "It's OK, but quit playing it."
3 stars - OK/decent
3.25 stars - pretty good
3.5 stars - good
4 stars - very good
4.5 stars - excellent
5 stars - erotic Jesus
notes:
* I was about 20 or 21 when I got into Jane's. I'm still a big fan though I don't listen to them as often as I used to. Saw them live - they were thoroughly professional and kicked major ass.
* The debut is a live album but it consists of previously unreleased material so it counts. They also did overdubs in the studio and added crowd noise from an entirely different concert.
* Strays grew on me considerably this time around. I didn't really take to it before but I think it's great now. It's definitely a step towards more conventional alt-rock compared to their previous two towering masterpieces, but it's got great production from Bob Ezrin featuring a lot of cool electronic touches to go with some great songs. The title track is the weakest link, but still a good song.
* The Great Escape Artist is an interesting change for the band. Describing the album's overall aesthetic, Perry Farrell noted: "it's a strange mixture of that post-punk Goth darkness that Jane's had, with what's going on today with groups like Muse and Radiohead. As much as I want to appease fans and make old Jane's fans love me, I just can't help myself from moving forward." (from Wikipedia) Dave Sitek of TV on the Radio co-produced and played some bass, keyboards and programming on the record. My favorite song on the album is "Splash a Little Water on It" which sounds incredible. It's about a guy who wakes up to find his girlfriend overdid it on drugs or alcohol the night before and has choked to death on her own vomit and he is in denial about it (that's how I see it anyway).
* Cheers mates!!!!!!
10) I Would for You (Jane's Addiction)
09) Twisted Tales (The Great Escape Artist)
08) Up the Beach (Nothing's Shocking)
07) Ocean Size (Nothing's Shocking)
06) Splash a Little Water on It (The Great Escape Artist)
05) Pigs In Zen (Jane's Addiction)
04) Whores (Jane's Addiction)
03) Stop (Ritual De Lo Habitual)
02) Then She Did... (Ritual De Lo Habitual)
01) Three Days (Ritual De Lo Habitual)
Nice to see some "erotic Jesus" love.
youtube won't allow me to see the comment under my post for some reason. Unless it's been deleted?
@@179rich Just sayin it's nice to see some "serious" love for JA. I used your 2 words for a 5 star album, maybe they didn't like it?
@@ttmilbr Ah yes, it could be youtube censorship. I wonder why they didn't censor me though. If my post disappears I'll know why.
For observational purposes only :) don’t get how their debut album is not their debut album… it came out a year before Nothings Shocking. I know its live and has some material they used later but it,s still the first record and it probably had a lot to do with them getting signed to a major…. Plus live they were off the f ing rails back then so that probably helped as well.
Eric Avery is one of my favourite sonic artists. Checkout Polar Bear (band) and solo albums.
"Briefly fleetingly interesting" is a 5 star comment by Kramz. JA is not great band. I don't know this band well but well enough to know that they are not great, mainly due to the songwriting. I think "Jane Says" is their masterpiece and they have a few pretty decent songs. One song that annoys me was the video "Been Caught Stealing". Some parts might be a little catchy but overall I dislike the sound and it might be amusing but it's not hilarious. I know many feel that if this trite silly imbecilic song does not make you dance or smile and sing then you are a nerd with no humor. When Perry left Addiction and started Porno for Pyros he did a great song called We'll Make Great "Pets" and as a showman with Porno for Pyros at Woodstock '94 , Perry was good.
How can anyone deny the brilliance of Perry’s lyrics? Aside from some nonsense stuff like “Standing in the Shower… Thinking” there are some beautiful words. Does anyone realize no verse in “Jane’s Says” rhymes? Just way ahead of it’s time
You just rhymed. - Joe
@@TastesLikeMusic You caught it!
One of my favourite bands in the day and the Ritual de lo Habitual tour was great! Also, love Deconstruction with Dave Navarro and Eric Avery post-Jane’s Addiction. 🎶
Caught them on tour in SF on a triple bill of Primus, Pixies, Jane’s Addiction (1991).
1. Nothing's Shocking (1988) 5/5
2. Ritual de lo Habitual (1990) 4/5
3. Strays (2003) 3/5
4. The Great Escape Artist (2011) 2.5/5
CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER:
5.0 Nothing's Shocking (1988)
4.0 Ritual de lo Habitual (1990)
3.0 Strays (2003)
2.5 The Great Escape Artist (2011)
I've been a Jane's fan since my high school days in the late 1980s. Their debut was a game-changer, being one of the first albums to unite punks and metalheads under the same banner. I love the middle section (tracks 4 to 7) of Ritual de Lo Habitual (as well as the opener, "Stop") but that album doesn't get past 4 stars because I'm not enthusiastic about the other songs. I hadn't heard their two reunion LPs until this week. I found them passable but nowhere near compelling. Overall, I love these guys. But given that their initial run was only 2 albums they would not be a candidate for my all-time top 100.
TOP 10 SONGS:
1. Been Caught Stealing
2. Pigs In Zen
3. Summertime Rolls
4. Three Days
5. Then She Did...
6. Jane Says
7. Mountain Song
8. Stop!
9. Ted, Just Admit It...
10. Trip Away
HMs: Obvious, I Would For You, Ocean Size, Slow Divers, Everybody's Friend, Up The Beach, Idiots Rule, So What!, Strays, City, To Match The Sun
MY RATING SYSTEM:
5.0 = major classic (consistently great *and* stratospheric highs)
4.5 = minor classic (consistently great *or* stratospheric highs, but not both)
4.0 = great (more than 50% is worth revisiting and it's an essential record for this artist/style - passes my "it'll make a fan out of someone who's new to this artist" test)
3.5 = seriously good (more than 50% is worth revisiting)
3.0 = nominally good (less than 50% is worth revisiting)
2.5 = decent (competent but uninspired - not worth revisiting)
2.0 = poor (difficult listen)
1.5 = awful (can't finish it)
1.0 = historically awful (musical apocalypse)
*Note: "Consistently" does not mean "flawlessly." I allow for a few clunkers if the rest of the songs are good enough. Also, I don't go below 1 star because once I'm in the realm of the truly terrible I don't care to differentiate anymore.
Finally, someone who sees it mostly like me. NS is a masterpiece.
What do you think of their real debut, the self-titled?
@@179rich Looking forward to checking it out, just found out about it.
@@179rich The live debut would probably be a 3 star album for me. I don't care for side two. Even the live version of Jane Says is kinda 'meh' to me. I much prefer the studio version. There are only 2 songs on it I really love that aren't repeated on the studio debut (Trip Away, I Would For You). So, I figured I wouldn't include it.
@@AbbeyRoadkill1 I agree that side 2 has the weakest track on the album - "My Time."
Hoping for Suede soon
Coming Up is one of the best albums of the 90's.
I saw Dave Navarro with Red Hot Chili Peppers at Woodstock’94. He was amazing. Fave JA songs are Three Days and Jane Says.
Ocean Size is possibly my favourite JA song.
Has King's X ever been mentioned before on this station??? I was so excited to hear Jason utter the newly coined "King's X-y"! They are one of my faves, I'd be scared and excited to hear y'alls detailed opinions on them!
They recently lost a Patreon-only poll to be our next discography, but they’ll get there eventually. - Joe
I rated Gretchen Goes To Nebraska as my favorite album of 1989 on this channel & Several tracks show up on Top 10 lists in the 90's. They have strong support here.
@@davidellis5141 Not from me. I gave them many chances and thought they were dull and boring. They didnt know how to write "hits" and I dont believe they were a Melvins or Sonic Youth type of band who intentionally didnt write hits. They just didnt know how to. They also were a band who was never properly produced well and whoever produced them could never get the best out of them. Just my opinion.
I slightly prefer Nothing's Shocking to Ritual De Lo Habitual.
Top 5 songs:
#1 Then She Did
#2 Summertime Rolls
#3 Jane Says
#4 Mountain Song
#5 Been Caught Stealing
Absolutely love Nothing 's Shocking.
@@ttmilbr Nothing's Shocking is IMO a 5 star album. Ritual stays at 4.5 stars only because the first 3 songs are a bit samey.
Good video and like the top songs follow up immediately after albums review… 👍
Album ranking: (least to great)
• The Great Escape Artist (2011)
• Strays (2003)
• Nothing's Shocking (1988)
• Ritual de lo Habitual (1990)
• XXX (debut album, 1987)
No Eric Avery.
He wrote the memorable songs early on.
Love the upcoming listos! Well, maybe not Don Henley so much. I love that you're doing The Jam and Gene Clark.
I listened to a stream of PJ Harvey's Let England Shake as inspired by your list. I like it better than her earlier stuff. Good album.
I was in university when these guys came out...I always thought that they were an ok band....I don't own their discs...(although I heard the first few plenty)...more sizzle than steak possibly?...but you can't deny been caught stealing...awesome song...and the pathos of jane says....well done!...(saved me a deep dive)
Know the first two albums, haven't heard the reunion. Overall I like your takes, especially thinking now that a 90s Janes Addiction album would've been great, with a little more stylistic experimentation and variations. But as we have it now, a good band but not among my very favorites.
I have Nothing's Shocking slightly over Ritual, I think it flows a little better. Obvious is probably my least favorite track from the two and disrupts the pacing. But Standing in the Shower Thinking is also pretty dumb...#1 Jason? What are you even talking about?
My top 5 would be:
1. Summertime Rolls
2. Three Days
3. Classic Girl
4. Ocean Size
5. Ted, Just Admit It (ok I see the Ted Bundy reference now, but still think the song name is a mistake, should've just been title track "Nothing's Shocking")
The algorithm abides!
I was in Los Angeles in 1988, and I remember that 1st -um 2nd album taking about a year to become ubiquitous. I felt Nothing's Shocking was overplayed before I had a chance to appreciate it (being local rock heroes probably contributed to hearing their music everywhere). looking back, I didn't give them a fair chance, and perhaps I should. I remember hearing Porno for Pyros and thinking it was genuinely funny in a good way (lyrics especially). and I think the Chili Peppers were genuinely friends and colleagues as it appears they traded members e few times. also, I've heard they collaborated with Ice-T's Body Count to cover a Sly & the Family Stone song. I need to hear that immediately!
4. The Great Escape Artist (2011) ★★
3. Strays (2003) ★★
2. Ritual de lo habitual (1990) ★★½
1. Nothing's Shocking (1988) ★★½
★★★★★ - Masterpiece
★★★★½ - Really great
★★★★ - Great
★★★½ - Really good
★★★ - Good
★★½ - OK
★★ - Bad
★½ - Really bad
★ - Awful
½ - The worst
Top 10 songs:
10. True Nature (2003)
9. Ocean Size (1988)
8. Just Because (2003)
7. Stop (1990)
6. Standing in the Shower... Thinking (1988)
5. Been Caught Stealing (1990)
4. Summertime Rolls (1988)
3. Classic Girl (1990)
2. Mountain Song (1988)
1. Jane Says (1988)
I liked them at the time but not a band I'd revisit. They wore thin very quickly and bordered on irritating at times. I did like Ritual for a year or so during the height of their popularity in Australia. Nothing Shocking was widely considered the best by many but it was more or less equivalent to these ears. Indifferent.
Obviously they must have been VERY BIG for American college students in the 1990s who took them as the reincarnation of Led Zeppelin. Positive commenters all seem to come from that background and they reheat loads of nostalgia. Very interesting to see that for a pretty mediocre hard rock band that used a steel drum in one song...(did not Kin Ping Meh do that in 1971 already?)
One of my favourite tracks is Chip Away from XXX (debut album).
It's a trip.
bassist Eric *Avery
You guys sure heaped a lot of praise on some of these albums you ended up giving low scores to. Cheers to Joe for recognizing greatness when he hears it.
Not saying any of you did a bad job; you explained your ratings well.
When Jason had his score for his lowest, I thought he was going to have at least one 5-star. - Joe
Props to Kramzer too since I believe 4 stars for him is "great" as well.
Yea..I think Jane’s Addiction unfortunately fall into that category of Guns N’ Roses-led dudebro sleaze metal from 1987-1990. Definitely a product of their time. At least Perry Ferrell did try to do something different with Porno for Pyros.
Best to worse
1.ritual
2.nothing shocks
3.stray
4. The great escape artist
Bob seger discography would be cool...Joe might be the only one who sides with me on this would be .my guess...
Not that Spotify matters since Jane's is a old band and most of their fans probably listen to them on psychical media but I was surprised to see they have over 2 million plus monthly listeners. Didnt think it would be that high. Slint by comparison has less than 200,000 monthly listeners.
Jane's were on Warner Brothers & had MTV Hits & Radio hits. Slint were on Touch & Go - never had a video played & never were on non college radio. Not a surprising ratio
'Ritual De Lo Habitual' is 10/10 album for me. 😌 can't really imagine life without jane' s addiction. Magical band. screams*: "EROTIC JESUS..."!! (Three Days).Greetings from Leipzig/ germany.
For me Janes Addiction had three great albums , the eponymous one , Nothing Shocking and Ritual de lo Habitual. They became irrelevant after those.
What does everyone think about the "Dave Navarro" Red Hot Chili Peppers record called "One Hot Minute" from 1995 ?
I think its good but I think his solo record is terrible. I bought that when it came out. It had some of the worst lyrics I heard then.
One Hot Minute is solid. - Joe
I'm with Joe. It's solid. Probably a 4 star album for me.
Underrated but not a favorite of mine
My favorite Peppers album!
If you guys had done Nirvana today, you could have done it on the anniversary of Kurt's suicide. Maybe for the best that you didn't.
It would be so great if any of the three of you knew what you were talking about. There has always been a significant goth streak running through Jane's Addiction, and it can largely be attributed to Perry Farrell. There was a really thick goth streak which ran through his first band, Psi Com, and it sort of carried over to early Jane's Addiction. Perry also brought a lot of glam with him, and continues to do so, wherever he goes. Eric Avery brought some British flavor in line with Depeche Mode (which, again, had some Goth in it). Dave Navarro brought all the stereotypical Eighties LA rock to Jane's, and Steven Perkins brought the poly rhythmic classic rock rhythm with him.
As far as how good everything is, or not, everything after Kettle Whistle is professionally competent, but little else. Kettle Whistle aimed to be ambitious and it shows, Ritual de lo Habitual sought to be a "new" classic rock record (like Led Zeppelin with the benefit of having some punk rock seasoned in), Nothing's Shocking was a fantastic LA rock record made by art school students and the live album the band started with (and you really should have included in your list) illustrates just how great a live band Jane's Addiction was. They were great without adding any extra frills or trimming -- in fact, the frills which would eventually get added along the way detracted from the band's power and presence because they drew entirely too much focus.
As far as the connection between Jane's and Rush, that's absolutely true -- the guy who played drums in my band in high school was a really big Rush fan and I was a really big Jane's fan. The common ground between them was how we got along.
"A little more serious"? Joe. the whole point was to not be serious. Early on, Perry Farrell's desire was to seem like Peter Pan and it works best on the band's first two albums, one of which you didn't include.
Forty-seven minutes of discussion, and you three couldn't spit any of that out. "Good" for you.
hahaha.... "My mother was going to buy this album for me, but didn't because she didn't like the album art." Pity -- she could have gotten you a copy with the variant cover, featuring a reprint of the first amendment.
None of you mentioned this, but someone needs to. You each mention how much fun "Jane Says" is, but miss how heartbroken it is in the end. The catharsis in "My Jame's says I ain't never been in love, I don't know what it is - she only knows if someone wants her." will break your heart.
Actually, that's the problem -- you guys treat Jane's Addiction songs like pop songs in that you think the songs follow a rhyming meter. Perry Farrell writes his lyrics by the paragraph - not by the couplet or stanza. If you read the lyrics, you'll probably get more out of them.
Didn’t get much goth to be honest. - Joe
@@TastesLikeMusic Watch the dots connect between Perry's first band, Psi Com, the goth and how it's treated there,, and Jane's Addiction: czcams.com/video/f4mWuIUC3Tk/video.html
@@TastesLikeMusic If you want to get even more surprised, go front-to-back with Flaming Lips' catalogue or Ween's (all of it -- including the cassette-only releases that Ween did at the beginning of their career), and see how much ground they covered those bands covered over the duration of their careers.
Not liking Perry's voice is understandable. It's not for everyone, not even close.
I seem to remember lots of people complaining about Billy Corgan's voice back in the day.
Joe's Addiction
They had occasional song "highlights" but their albums were mostly inconsistent and...very boring. The main reason was that most tunes just were not songs but pure showcases of the talents and non-talents in the band. Posing without hairspray is still posing and worst if the non-talents take all the spotlight. (I heard their albums when they were released but put them onto the shelves to never pull them out again for 30 years...Revisiting them confirmed my memory.)
4. The Great Escape Artist 2,0 (Their big deficit on earlier albums was the complete failure of song writing. On their last attempt, they have it - does it help? What if the songs have nothing to do with the band? It just drags on and on...)
3. Strays 2,0 (On their first comeback attempt they serve pretty standard hard rock. One song, a lot of noise, and generic poses and moves. Dull.)
2. Ritual de lo Habitual 2,5 (The complete absence of any song writing, meaning or structure in music is not a problem per se, it becomes one if you perform in a style that only works with those. Strangely, the longest track is the only one to deliver what is needed, even if pretty generic.)
1. Nothing's Shocking 3,0 (Only 3 of the tunes here are actual songs and those are relatively good, the remainders are showing the bassist's and guitarist's moments of skill in pointless breakouts unrelated to the singer's meanderings. In fact not shocking, except for people who spent the 70s and 80s listening to mainstream rock. Posing without hairspray is still...posing, Mr. Farrell.)
Songs:
5. Strays
4. Mountain Song
3. Jane Says
2. Three Days
1. Ocean Size
i dont know how many people saw janes addiction in concert , but the band was amazing and perry totally captures his audience ! great experience!
@@bengalgangster There is also a lot of mentioning MTV here with this band. They obviously appealed to the generation that experienced their music that way. Older people like me just listened to the records and there is little magic on those.
Y’all should do Sparks or Ween!
seconded
hey TLM my video is posted with comments yet i have got messages from 2 people that cant see it?
Not sure!
@@TastesLikeMusic The YT App is having major issues today - For me , my watch history is down. Others , can't post a comment or a reply.
@@davidellis5141 someone thought its because i had bad language in my listening
gonna give you list without the extras
6 the great escape artist 3.5 stars
5 kettle whistle 4.0
4 strays 4.0
3 janes addiction 4.0+
2 ritual de lo habitual 5.0
1 nothings shocking 5.0
10 songs
10 mountain song
9 just because
8 smores rhymes with
7 classic girl
6 3 days
5 ocean size
4 i would for you
3stop
2 aint no right
1 pigs in zen
bonus
PFP
2good gods urge 4 stars
1 debut 5 stars
5 songs 5 good gods urge
4 black girlfriend
3 mejia
2 dogs rule the night
1 sadness
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your original listing shows up for me on my computer. yootoob bugs skittering about today!
@@bengalgangster The YT Bot ! 🤖 can strike at anytime ! Nice list 👌 - Hope Michelle gets to see it. Play ⚾️ !
I usually don't comment on bands I have no interest in/dislike, but I'll make an exception. I'll add that I don't dislike Jane's Addiction, I just don't find them enjoyable or interesting. In 1995 I was living/working on a farm for 4 months and for some of that time another worker would blast the first JA album several times a week; sometimes he would go back and play "Jane Says" over again. His remains are somewhere in a cow pasture in northern Israel.
Well, that’s pretty disturbing.
@@TastesLikeMusic Kidding!!! I have a gothic sensibility. Honestly, something about Farrell's voice hits me the wrong way. I have the same issue with Axl Rose and Robert Plant; just something in that vocal range, and I have a large tolerance for voices others find annoying.
kramnz dont like his voice oh my!🐯🐯
Vocal resonance is one of the most subjective things ever, isn’t it? Perry’s voice is that of a healer for me.
You're list hasn't posted yet Bengal - I'm looking forward to it.
@@davidellis5141 thats what someone else said its posted
@@bengalgangster I still don't 👁 it - Does it have replies or likes ? - It might be in the held area & one of the guys can clear it , if that's the case 🤔
@@davidellis5141 yep they even loved the comment
No love for Ocean Size?!
Not too into the bands for this week. If you want a great band with a small discography, do something like Big Star.
i wasn't a huge fan of theirs, but i remember in the desert of late 80s LA hair metal stuff that i SO hated, really hated, that there didn't seem to be any actual rock'n'roll music going on at all. Chimey guitar REM college rock for sure. American hardcore, i guess, but it was all shouting and tempo changes and angular chord changes. Before grunge hit and reset the game... and pretty soon became just another style that got copied badly unbtil you got sick of it... before that, there was early RHCP, Fishbone, and Jane's Addiction. They were not a bad copy of Poison's bad copy of Crue's bad copy of VH. A breath of fresh air.... proof of intelligent life.