@@sonder152 agree. Xenakis was truly a modernist; his music is much different (not in style, but in aesthetics) to that of contemporaries like Ligeti, often much more lighthearthed and ironc, or that of Zimmermann, more fragmented and nihilistic.
My God, this is wierd, strange stuff. I totally admit that in 1983 I was pretty much heads down in Rock and Roll, particularly Heavy Metal. Since then I have tried to 'appreciate' Classical, and I enjoy the new stuff, so, going back to that opening statement, well, its pretty intense, but, I do remember a Symphonic piece called, A New Heaven, which was similar to Avro Part and Goreyki. That was seriously heavy too. Still, this is fun, picking a year that has rock and roll labelled all over it, like 1983, and then finding out who composed what that year (1973 had a major piece by shoshtakovich, so much for Led Zeppelin,!).
This sounds like swarms of various beings - bees, locusts, dust particles, etc. -- swirling about according to various obscure but fascinating principles of possible mathematical origin. One might argue that we live in an Age of Swarms, -- nanobots, drones, self-driving vehicles, the incessant tumult of catastrophic weather patterns emerging from climate change, the vast swarm of humanity as we overpopulate ourselves out of existence, -- which makes this piece, and Xenakis' work in general, more relevant to our contemporary experience than ever.
I spent several years really down on Xenakis, thinking he wrote himself into a box of increasingly ugly music, but this piece has changed my mind. It's still fairly rough-- not unexpected from the composer-- but I find a lot to really enjoy in this piece.
Interesting stuff. Still just dipping my toe into Xenakis stuff on YT (and modern classical in general) but there are chunks of this I could imagine a heavy, punky, mathcore-type band isolating for like a dissonant skronky guitar riff. Not sure if anyone else is getting a similar vibe but there's my 2 cents. lol
The orchestral music of Xenakis is poorly herd and played. It is nevertheless a specific face of his genuis, adding the tone parameter to the others which he manipulates. Generally, this dimension is used in a more "conventional" way than the other ones, but allows him to "display' his concepts on a wide spectrum.
Tony Chapman Any music of XX century is to be accustomed to, and more often than not, it requires your concentration and experience. Korndorf and Xenakis - two independent worlds, and there is no logical reason to call one as a better that another one - just different. What is better- a rose or a lily?
Firstly, I am most honoured to have a famous Russian composer responding to my humble comment, Mr Hrabovsky. I am indeed most honoured as Shostakovich himself praised your 1963 composition 'Ukrainian Songs' and I included a mention of Shostakovich's 1973 work in my own 219 page Sci Fi novel Race of the Gods. Yes, you are right, one cannot exhault another piece of work as greater, each piece occupies it's own special universe. I confess that I am merely a listener, I was involved just once in the magical world of classical music when I played my violin with the BBC Symphony orchestra in 2004, it was just a small 23 minute amateur /professional work as a response to Sir Harrison Birtwhistle 's Second Mrs Kong which was receiving its orchestral world premiere later that evening at the Royal Festival Hall in London. Thanks. Tony Chapman.
I remember reading this comment a few months ago, it actually made Korndorf aware to me. Thanks for introducing me!!!, by the way how where you able to attain the New Heaven cd, it's hard to find..
BOOM! please it would be interesting to motivate such a strong statement. I wouldn't ask for any motivation if you said " I don't like this " or even " this is bad music" or even "this is not music" (second and third statement would actually call for some argumentation), but for such an absolute denigratory statement you are strongly requested for something more than a single sentence.
he didn't just want to be "different" he was a serious musician with a strong personality... it's a pity you can't hear that in his music. waste of talent...quite the opposite a good use of a great (and multidirectional ) talent
It's so unnervingly natural and grounded, I don't think this can be topped
Terrific music, tremendous performance!
i'm addicted to xenakis and i love it!!!
terrifying, vivid, excoriating - who needs horror flicks?
The agony of modern music is a reflection of reality.
Xenakis's music isn't particularly postmodern in any way, much of it is highly influenced by ancient Greek mythology and philosophy.
@@sonder152 agree. Xenakis was truly a modernist; his music is much different (not in style, but in aesthetics) to that of contemporaries like Ligeti, often much more lighthearthed and ironc, or that of Zimmermann, more fragmented and nihilistic.
@Pete Testube well the sound itself is incredibly beautiful (it's no wonder xenakis used to hold concerts with 500k+ people attending)
@Pete Testube do you hate philosophy?
@@Qazwdx111 how can one hate philosophy?
My God, this is wierd, strange stuff. I totally admit that in 1983 I was pretty much heads down in Rock and Roll, particularly Heavy Metal. Since then I have tried to 'appreciate' Classical, and I enjoy the new stuff, so, going back to that opening statement, well, its pretty intense, but, I do remember a Symphonic piece called, A New Heaven, which was similar to Avro Part and Goreyki. That was seriously heavy too. Still, this is fun, picking a year that has rock and roll labelled all over it, like 1983, and then finding out who composed what that year (1973 had a major piece by shoshtakovich, so much for Led Zeppelin,!).
Great piece.
He talks about camping as a child, and the sounds of insects around him.
LOL
so good...
This sounds like swarms of various beings - bees, locusts, dust particles, etc. -- swirling about according to various obscure but fascinating principles of possible mathematical origin. One might argue that we live in an Age of Swarms, -- nanobots, drones, self-driving vehicles, the incessant tumult of catastrophic weather patterns emerging from climate change, the vast swarm of humanity as we overpopulate ourselves out of existence, -- which makes this piece, and Xenakis' work in general, more relevant to our contemporary experience than ever.
genial
beautiful painting
This is like a drug
A really crazy drug
agree!
I spent several years really down on Xenakis, thinking he wrote himself into a box of increasingly ugly music, but this piece has changed my mind. It's still fairly rough-- not unexpected from the composer-- but I find a lot to really enjoy in this piece.
very good
This is not my favorite Xenaki´s work, but he was a great composer.
Interesting stuff. Still just dipping my toe into Xenakis stuff on YT (and modern classical in general) but there are chunks of this I could imagine a heavy, punky, mathcore-type band isolating for like a dissonant skronky guitar riff. Not sure if anyone else is getting a similar vibe but there's my 2 cents. lol
Thank you for this great recording! Can you say please who is playing? Orchestra? conductor?
Jonny Greenwood must have been inspired for There Will Be Blood
THX like this!
good one
danke!!!
Hymn III In Honour of Gustav Mahler Was Korndorf's work which I was comparing.
The orchestral music of Xenakis is poorly herd and played. It is nevertheless a specific face of his genuis, adding the tone parameter to the others which he manipulates. Generally, this dimension is used in a more "conventional" way than the other ones, but allows him to "display' his concepts on a wide spectrum.
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Which is that painting?
I think that's Gerard Richter's.
24h of Lemans
Creepy
Ok So I listened to the whole piece. Well. ... Korndorf's new heaven was better. This was different. Not awful, just different.
Tony Chapman Any music of XX century is to be accustomed to, and more often than not, it requires your concentration and experience. Korndorf and Xenakis - two independent worlds, and there is no logical reason to call one as a better that another one - just different. What is better- a rose or a lily?
Firstly, I am most honoured to have a famous Russian composer responding to my humble comment, Mr Hrabovsky. I am indeed most honoured as Shostakovich himself praised your 1963 composition 'Ukrainian Songs' and I included a mention of Shostakovich's 1973 work in my own 219 page Sci Fi novel Race of the Gods. Yes, you are right, one cannot exhault another piece of work as greater, each piece occupies it's own special universe. I confess that I am merely a listener, I was involved just once in the magical world of classical music when I played my violin with the BBC Symphony orchestra in 2004, it was just a small 23 minute amateur /professional work as a response to Sir Harrison Birtwhistle 's Second Mrs Kong which was receiving its orchestral world premiere later that evening at the Royal Festival Hall in London. Thanks. Tony Chapman.
I remember reading this comment a few months ago, it actually made Korndorf aware to me. Thanks for introducing me!!!, by the way how where you able to attain the New Heaven cd, it's hard to find..
Its very expensive!
Ahhh... half the price!
this composer has no talent
lol
whatevs
You are so envyous.
Not him, but you have no talent to listen to music and HEAR it
BOOM! please it would be interesting to motivate such a strong statement. I wouldn't ask for any motivation if you said " I don't like this " or even " this is bad music" or even "this is not music" (second and third statement would actually call for some argumentation), but for such an absolute denigratory statement you are strongly requested for something more than a single sentence.
Such a waste of talent!!
He was another one who desperately wanted to be «different».
he didn't just want to be "different" he was a serious musician with a strong personality... it's a pity you can't hear that in his music. waste of talent...quite the opposite a good use of a great (and multidirectional ) talent
Such a waste of talent!! (listening talent)
"Waste"? Are you joking?
I bet 5, 10, 20 years from now you'll revisit his music as others have and think to yourself, "wow, this man was a genius!"