The only way you have no problem with that is that if you attack a necro with Vampire lords but you have a Phoenix or Efreet only and use Armageddon then surrender and repeat.
Imagine "cloak of undead king" giving you vamps instead of liches. Imagine an army of thousands of vampire lords. That is the incarnation of *BALANCE* !!
that's the thing if you have 1000's of them their regen ability becomes useless because you don't care if some die. and as we saw here, you only need like 30-40...
Don't know how this showed up in my recommended, but I am very happy it did. A true blast from the past, necro was always my favorite! Also, I like you 1:07 crazy laughter, can totally relate. :D.
Why, thank you! Many of the others in the comments got freaked out by said laugh. :P Anyway, I'm glad you enjoyed this video! I can guess why you like Necropolis so much, with how good it is and how powerful the faction gets by the late game. Have you taken a look at my Necropolis playthrough?
Have you checked GOG.com? You'll have to pay, but I don't know any safe sources to download the game from. The other possibility is to set sail with the ships, if you get what I mean.
I mean... I have an original copy of the complete version, I have bought it on GOG too. I meant I must try vampire lords as in I have not experienced their power. That's the difference between four-year-old me and nineteen-year-old me playing the game! :P Edit: When you realize the message wasn't a response to you. Huh. I feel dumb now.
Vampire Lords are awesome! They're my favorite unit in the game and I always find them hilariously enjoyable to use. ;D Believe it or not, even today there are still more people who play Heroes III than you might expect. Of course, while it's not nearly as popular as AAA games on the market right now, Heroes III is special to many thanks to both its entertainment value and nostalgia factor.
I still come back to this video every once in a while cuz it just makes me feel good. You should post that one gold short clip to youtube as well... I'd definitely watch that a few times xD
lol, that's good to know. The clip where I was 1 Gold short from buying Deemer back was pretty funny at the time, but I feel it would be far less humorous without context.
Yeah, leech is very useful but it also boils down to how much attack bonuses you got from your hero. Also always nice to see 34 lvl4 creatures win vs 44 lvl 7 creatures :D
Even without attack bonuses, the special ability of Vampire Lords can still be incredibly useful when used properly. And yes, seeing Vampire Lords > Behemoths is pretty freaking awesome. :)
u wouldnt have survived that many IF it was from one stack, one Worth of behemoth vs 1 week of VL. and behemoth would win or atleast they should, but seeing this, yes they get Power from the leader wich right there says all that this isnt fair fight, also units that cost more, should be more powerfull, and seeing this, its obvious that is not the case
Whether or not I would have survived if all of those Behemoths were in one stack is irrelevant. For this fight, they were not, and I knew full well that they wouldn't be which is why I even bothered to take the battle in the first place. As you've said, units that cost more are generally more powerful, but Vampire Lords are a notable exception for reasons unknown. Also, I think you may have misinterpreted my statement regarding "Vampire Lords > Behemoths". I said this in reference to this fight alone. But to see you deny this leads me to believe that you seem to think I have applied this to all possible cases, even though that is not what I suggested.
What was really bad was the necro with ghosts and skeletons. Stacks of peasents on the overworld could actually determine who won due to massive troop swings. I am above such cheese though. I use Pheonixstorm (and am very much aware of the hypocrisy).
They couldn't grow without limit. You can only have 9999 of them in one stack. After killing something with 9999 ghosts theirs number change to 0 and battle crash :D
And this is why people usually try to find and bumrush Necropolis ASAP in multiplayer. That, and the Skeleton hordes that Necropolis builds up later in the game. Skeleton horde+Vial of Lifeblood/Ring of Life/Ring of Vitality is ridiculous.
Indeed! To say the least, Skeleton hordes are annoying to deal with in the late game. At that point, Health-boosting artifacts are just icing on the cake.
TheKnownWorld Probably ,,Unholy Alliance (campaign name)," ,,Final peace (scenario name),"and it was the scenario where you had to defeat Gem's former master lord Fayette who was turned into a vampire I think. Can't remember very well though, I haven't played this game for a long time. Anyways, when you have defeated his "minions," you have to go to the underworld. Once there, my army was beaten by him. Now that I start thinking, I could have just skipped several weeks and get a bigger army than Fayette's army (becouse I had more towns and he couldn't attack me for different reasons) and attack after that. Sorry, my English can be bad sometimes, it's not my native language.
No need to apologize -- your English is fine! :) Truth be told, I have never played Unholy Alliance but an army of Vampire Lords sounds scary to deal with. Did you have access to Expert Slow and some shooters against them? By popular demand, at some point I'll probably go over the full Heroes III Campaign so I'm sure I'll get a taste of this massive army that you speak of.
TheKnownWorld Yeah well I can't remember correctly though. The armies were not that big actually, but he had a lot of death knights (much over 50 if I'm correct) which was a big amount against my army. And of course the vampire lords aswell (and the other guys.) However I think I'll try it again soon. Thank you! EDIT: I can't remember if I had expert slow but I think I had some Grand Elves. However the enemy had haste so they got slaughtered. Again, I may be uncorrect.
Do they murder the undead? :P While I do see why that special ability might be terrifying, Mighty Gorgons are often somewhat difficult to come by (i.e. resource costs and Resource Silo prerequisite) in the higher difficulties and are much more useful for taking on high-level creatures more than anything else. They also struggle a bit more when dealing with low-level units.
Just put them in the corner, shield plus animate dead spells and you can do ALOT, even dragon utopias are easy. If you can afford to put them in the bottom right corner of the battlefield it will work just as well against small creatures.
Well, we dont see if you have offense or armorer skills. Attack skill is quite high, so vampires are draining so much life back. Anyway, fighting with monsters is usually easy with strong hero. Try it with the stacked behemonts controlled by hero (or without hero, result will be the same) and vampires will fall under single blow. This victory is mainly because of stupid AI.
Actually, you can see that Gunnar has both Offense and Armorer at 0:00. While it is true that a single stack of 44 Behemoths would probably one-shot the Vampire Lords, the fact of the matter is that they *weren't* in one stack for this battle. "Strong" hero or not, it's a bit ridiculous that a single stack of Tier 4 units can solo all of those Behemoths with minimal spell use.
What i like to do is Dungeon + black dragons + armageddon hero = spell power and knowledge with spell power being priority. Then you are killing machine + enemy heroes think ( lol 3 dragons we can beat him with our big army ) so you can trick them in to attacking you.
Actually, I used this tactic (befittingly referred to by some as "Dragogeddon") for some of my recent Let's Play Heroes III videos. My main issue with this strategy is that if you're up against an opponent who has Orb of Inhibition or creatures who also have immunity to Armageddon, then you're in trouble. Of course, this isn't even considering the setup and luck necessary for getting Armageddon in the first place.
Among other reasons, yes. Necropolis is also notoriously strong thanks to Necromancy, which allows a player to farm massive stacks of Skeletons for almost no cost at all.
Agreed! Vampire Lords are particularly powerful because of how cheap they are and how early on you can get them. By the late game, of course, Conflux's Phoenixes generally hit harder due to their stronger stats and unusually high base growth.
man it's been YEARS since i played this but i remember moments like this. also cue the benny hill music when you started to dart around the field with them in hot persuit ahaha xD
I'm fan of homm3 since 2005. I love your videos. I would like to see a video with good explanation how to farm demons and the other more important thing is what to do when you start with multiple towns. I just cant understand should we focus on one or all of them.thanks
Hello! I'm happy to hear that you've enjoyed my videos. If you're interested in a video that has to do with Demon Farming, feel free to check out my Inferno Let's Play episode. Regarding starting with multiple towns, there are very few situations I've played where this is actually the case so I lack experience in this regard. My Pestilence Lake and 1v7 Small Map playthroughs would be the closest instances to starting off with multiple towns, so feel free to check those videos out. In theory, I would build up at least a Town Hall on both towns and then focus on building up one town. In practice, the exact approach can depend on your playstyle and the map/situation itself. Are you being attacked on all sides? If so, then it might make more sense to focus on defending one town first. Are you not being attacked at all? If so, then perhaps try and build up. How you approach the map can really depend on a number of factors.
in heroes of MM 4, the vampires are totally unalanced, if you are able to get a vampire in the first 10 days you can crush small armies of lvl1 creatures only with your vampire..
@@ladyhm.6748 It's possible with Conflux hero Luna. No cheats or mods. Her special skill is Fire Wall with buffed damage. I try to find the video in my watched history but with no luck. Try to search for "heroes 3 luna fire wall" or something like that.
Not always. HeroesWorld permits the use of Necropolis without the Necromancy Amplifier (which also negates the use of Vampire Lords). But yes, like you pointed out, Skeletons and Vampire Lords wreak way too much havoc. Personally though, I haven't had much of an issue with Dread Knights.
This reminds me of when I played against someone that used to swear by Barbarians, and about 50 or so Vampire Lords made him change his mind real quick. This is why you ban Necros if you aren't using WoG rules.
Yes, Vampire Lords are definitely the best necro unit, and one of the most dangerous units in HoMM 2 or 3 in general. They are always the unit I try to build up to first, and the first I want to kill if my opponents have any. Scary good.
Awesome video, the mad laughter really sells it. I'm still learning, but it's things like this that make me prefer Necropolis to Fortress. ...I'd be killed to death in multi though.
Hello! I’m quite glad that you liked the mad laughter - I think that this was quite the turnoff for a lot of the other people who watched this video. ;D Of course, I’d argue that Fortress isn’t as brutally overpowered as Necropolis is. But to be completely fair, Fortress has its own set of tricks that are quite enjoyable as well, but which also aren’t banned or restricted in multiplayer. Also, multiplayer is its own story. If you’re enjoying the game where it’s at, then you should have no worries about being “killed to death” if you ever do play multiplayer. :P
Oh, playing solo is still fun, I probably do things too conservatively for multi (though I'll probably start trying some at some point) I mean, the last solo game I had went...wrong. Because of unlucky monster placements (and monster growth) there ended up being several piles of level 6/7 creatures that ended up too strong to kill, which effectively walled off my segment of the map. The only reason I was able to do anything in the end was that I found a pandora's box with Dimension Door in it, but by then one of the AI teams had swallowed all the rest. The joy of random maps.
Interesting. Yeah, you’re right - random maps can be rather rough sometimes, especially if you’re really unlucky. Do you remember which random map template you were playing that match on?
I think it was just a regular xl-sized map, it wasn't from any scenarios or anything. I've never been that unlucky with the placements, it was actually kinda cool.
Yes, this match was done on HotA. HotA doesn't show combat against the AI, but since I was streaming at the time, other players who had my stream open (if they were on my team) got to watch me take this battle.
This is the first time I've heard someone say this. To me, Heroes III doesn't look remotely similar to Heroes IV or any of the later entries in the Heroes of Might and Magic series.
I'm afraid that I can't quite relate to that reference. I didn't really play much of Warcraft III, and for the brief periods of time that I have played it, I don't recall having to deal with Destroyers.
Not necessarily strategy games, but a lot of modern RPGs and MMOs tend to balance everything to death, so that classes don't seem to mean much anymore. Take your generic wizard/fighter/cleric classes. One deals 15 fire damage, one deals 15 physical damage, one 15 holy damage. They're different types of damage, but the outcome is so marginally different that it nigh on doesn't matter what you play. Take a PnP game like DnD for example. Earlier editions made choices like being a wizard pretty meaningful, because 1d4 hitpoints meant that bad breath could potentially kill you, but if you played smart you would get to higher levels and start being able to rain death down on people. Fighters on the other hand started off pretty strong, but kind of fell off at the late game. It's completely unbalanced in that sense, because one class is clearly better in certain stages of progression. 5e on the other hand is pretty much balanced that most classes aren't too powerful in any stage of the game. It's safer, more reliable, but also kind of boring. Now, for a filthy HoMM3 pleb who just likes to play for fun, I'm cool with Necropolis. I'm completely deferential to tournaments and professional players banning Necro because it IS ridiculously overpowered in that setting.
I see. I haven't tried many newer games myself, but from my experiences in other games that I've played as of recent (i.e. DotA 2 and League of Legends) I haven't felt that the developers have tried to “equalize” the playing field for all the choices in a single role. In fact, I’m often more ticked off that they fail to properly balance the game as opposed to overbalancing it. Either way, I agree to some extent when it comes to Necropolis's status in Heroes III. As overpowered as people perceive Necropolis to be, the faction has been widely unchanged and remains as iconic and enjoyable to play as ever.
This is a feature of the HD mod, downloadable from sites.google.com/sites/heroes3hd. With the HD mod, you can see how far enemy units can move by hovering over them and holding down the CTRL key.
Im a scrub and dont know much about the combat in Heroes 3 but really want to learn, What does picking the " Wait" option give you in advantage for the defense?
Hey man, i've got a question that i can't seem to find an answer for anywhere. I've seen the AI use a two way monolith and without walking one tile away from it go back, because there is a large stack of neutral monsters in front of it. Is there any way to do this myself?
Yes, there is. You can step on the same square that you're currently on by pressing Space Bar. Do note that this feature is only available in versions later than Restoration of Erathia, meaning that if you have Ubisoft's HD Edition on Steam then you won't be able to do this.
Necro are an odd little faction in HOMM3. They can be insanely powerful. but they can also be insanely weak. They are probably the best late game faction though. Pretty terrible early doors. And they only really have 3 good units. Vamps, Liches and Death Knights.
Necropolis can be insanely powerful, yes, but in the right hands I don't think I've seen an instance where Necropolis has been "insanely weak". Also, contrary to what people have stated about Necropolis, they're far from terrible early game. Although they don't have access to a ranged unit until they get Liches, Necropolis can make do with just farming Skeletons, especially with Galthran. I'm not sure about you, but I'd say that having a stack of over 200 Skeletons by the end of Week 1 along with Necropolis's other armies is pretty good for the beginning stages of a match. If I were to guess, you deliberately opted not to include Skeletons in your list of Necropolis's "good units" since they don't have any special abilities or exceptional stats. I still think it worth pointing out, however, that they do come in massive numbers (and for free, as well). Because of how big Skeleton stacks get thanks to Necromancy, they often do enormous amounts of damage, which definitely qualifies them as a "good unit" in my eyes.
Yes, fair comment i guess. Although one of the main reasons i said they can be insanely powerful late game is actually because of skeletons. Necro with mass haste and a legion of skeletons is quite a scary sight. They are not good rushers though. That title probably goes to fortress or Inferno. And if you have a bad map/monster spawns then they can be severely handicapped.
Exactly! One of Necropolis's greatest strengths is the hordes of Skeletons they can amass by the end of the game, but that's exactly why I consider Skeletons to be a good unit. When used correctly, Skeletons can be a very hard-hitting powerstack that act as a win condition for Necropolis players. Even in the early game though, having Galthran as a starting hero and building a Skeleton Transformer allows you to begin with well over 70 Skeletons, which gives you plenty of options to clear the map with if you play your cards right. Of course, not being able to do much with a "bad map/monster spawns" applies to just about all of the factions, depending on just how bad the start is. What makes you say that Fortress and Inferno are "good rushers"? I can understand why this would be the case for Fortress, but Inferno is boggled down with expensive resource costs and mediocre unupgraded starting units. With Efreeti, their early game becomes a bit more manageable, but it's still pretty atrocious relative to the other factions like Castle (Marksmen), Rampart (Centaurs and Elves), Tower (Master Gremlins and Solmyr), and Dungeon (Troglodytes and Shakti).
I only say fortress and inferno are good early doors because you can quite easily get efreeti and wyverns early (week 1). With upgraded cerberi, inferno are quite decent, even though the rest of their troops suck. Their high resource cost is kind of mitigated by the fact that you dont actually need to buy anything other than cerberei and efreeti (and maybe gogs). No other faction has a 6th level creature thats within such easy reach. Although its slightly more dicey on inferno, i grant you. But compared to the others, they are probably the easiest.
Well what do you expect if you have 36 high tiered troops with a hero vs creatures without a hero? I know they're behemoths but they are big and so block each other off. You probably could have just left your vampire lords in the corner and only 2 could have hit you at a time but it makes sense to use your movement. My point is it's not common to get so many high tiered troops stacked up like that. Imagine if you have 36 champions that's still an incredible army that's not easy to get. So add in no retaliation and regen and you have a strong ass stack. But as soon as your regen isn't sufficient you would lose. So if the stacks of behemoths had been big enough to knock your stack of VL's down more than they could regen you would have lost.
I'm afraid I don't quite understand what your main point is. I'm not sure what the relevance of bringing up "36 Champions" is, either. First of all, you referred to the Vampire Lords as "high-tiered troops" even though they are Tier 4 units, which is much closer to mid-tier than high-tier. Consequently, the notion of getting 34 Vampire Lords is quite feasible in some matches, although probably not as early on as I did in this match. I also think it worth pointing out how even a dozen Vampire Lords (roughly Week 2/3) is enough to clear out a good portion of the map in some random map matches even with a side hero, which can't be said for the other units in the same tier. The other observation you seemed to make is that if the Behemoths were big enough to kill the Vampire Lords before they could properly regenerate, then I would have lost. But I went in, somewhat confident that they would pull through. And they did.
It's like a headline from the Sun: OLD MAN GETS INTO A SLAPFIGHT WITH 7 BEARS AND WINS
MUST WATCH, YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE
(GONE WILD GONE SEXUAL ALMOST DIED)
SCANDAL EXPOSED???
Gotta get buzzfeed on this stuff.
Maybe they'll come up with some better video titles for this.
I don't see any problem with this what so ever
lmao
Now that's a themed account I like.
well said
You mean 7000 LICHES :D.
The only way you have no problem with that is that if you attack a necro with Vampire lords but you have a Phoenix or Efreet only and use Armageddon then surrender and repeat.
I think the best thing about this vid is that it was uploaded last year.
HOMM3 will never die!
Indeed! Long live Heroes III :D
Mercy: heroes never die!
Never ever (keep posting once a year)
yep
You mean 7 years ago
2017
Necropolis in HoMM3 is still ovepowered
2050
Necropolis in HoMM3 will still be overpowered
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Only if you can find massive stacks of low level living units to kill and raise as skeletons. That's necro's real strength
+Owneador1337 you got to be kidding lad. EU and canada will be gone before we are.
Well no shit considering HoMM3 is not developed anymore ..
It's pretty balanced since bone drags are shit
Moz. Yeah vamp lords are the lvl 7s of necro
Level 5s*
Black knight is level 7.
then they're the lvl 6? cuz liches are already lvl 5.
+Felipe Gallardo they are lvl 4
Olny thing unbalanced about necro is Cloak of undead king,....
ending up whit tons of litches and no money to upgrade them,...
"Homm3 is balanced game with no exploits" meanwhile 40 vampire lord killing everyone as long as its living creature
wrrr
Just put them against 40 Dread Knights and they're down for good.
Imagine "cloak of undead king" giving you vamps instead of liches. Imagine an army of thousands of vampire lords. That is the incarnation of *BALANCE* !!
Act like power liches is not op af already
Would be as balanced as ghosts in homm 2
necromancy from homm4 does it already
@Soller I mean its the point when the game is over in a week or 2 maximum.
that's the thing if you have 1000's of them their regen ability becomes useless because you don't care if some die.
and as we saw here, you only need like 30-40...
Welp, never playing necro the same way again.... week 1 vamps or bust
Agreed!
Week 1 break on JC with just Vampire Lords?
(Looks at MeKick's game, Month 1 Week 3 Day 4)
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BlackMage AgrealSlade late to the party! xD the vamp way is the only way
I'm pretty sure galthran skeletons would like to have a word about that Kappa
Don't know how this showed up in my recommended, but I am very happy it did. A true blast from the past, necro was always my favorite!
Also, I like you 1:07 crazy laughter, can totally relate. :D.
Why, thank you! Many of the others in the comments got freaked out by said laugh. :P
Anyway, I'm glad you enjoyed this video! I can guess why you like Necropolis so much, with how good it is and how powerful the faction gets by the late game. Have you taken a look at my Necropolis playthrough?
Yeah necro castle îs my favoret to i love The knight and vampire
That was HILARIOUS.
I must try vampire lords.
:D You must!
Hey do you know where to download for win 10? I wanna play this again so bad.
Have you checked GOG.com? You'll have to pay, but I don't know any safe sources to download the game from.
The other possibility is to set sail with the ships, if you get what I mean.
I mean... I have an original copy of the complete version, I have bought it on GOG too. I meant I must try vampire lords as in I have not experienced their power. That's the difference between four-year-old me and nineteen-year-old me playing the game! :P
Edit: When you realize the message wasn't a response to you. Huh. I feel dumb now.
lol, that's alright. It's the thought that counts. :P
But yeah, do tell me how it goes. :)
I always loved me some vampire lords. Good to see people still play this game.
Vampire Lords are awesome! They're my favorite unit in the game and I always find them hilariously enjoyable to use. ;D
Believe it or not, even today there are still more people who play Heroes III than you might expect. Of course, while it's not nearly as popular as AAA games on the market right now, Heroes III is special to many thanks to both its entertainment value and nostalgia factor.
oh my, the first time i see vampire lords are unbalanced in 17 years.
17! It's been a long time. ;D
i always paid more attention to skeletons and black knights
Yeah they are amazing as long as you don't fight black knights...
Uhh... yeah, let's not talk about that. :')
What bout nagas?
... Let's not talk about that either. >:| lol
how would you fight them then? using arch-angle? I don't know any cost-effective way to fight black knights.
Run away as much as possible. slowness & shot.
Laughs like Gustaf Skarsgård on Vikings. That is the best laugh though, so well done.
Umm... thanks! I think :P
Now imagine vampire lords if your hero has Armorer speciality, and you cast mass shield on yourself and mass curse on the enemy. ;^)
mass slow plox
Thanos approves of this balance.
I still come back to this video every once in a while cuz it just makes me feel good. You should post that one gold short clip to youtube as well... I'd definitely watch that a few times xD
lol, that's good to know. The clip where I was 1 Gold short from buying Deemer back was pretty funny at the time, but I feel it would be far less humorous without context.
His giggling is extremely contagious
only mekick can reach 17 level hero with NO FUCKING SPELL BOOK... it s only 500 gold
When the vamp lords come in numbers, you have to scream 'holy fucking shit'
Indeed!
Yeah, leech is very useful but it also boils down to how much attack bonuses you got from your hero. Also always nice to see 34 lvl4 creatures win vs 44 lvl 7 creatures :D
Even without attack bonuses, the special ability of Vampire Lords can still be incredibly useful when used properly.
And yes, seeing Vampire Lords > Behemoths is pretty freaking awesome. :)
actually no its not, since it shouldnt be possible, good ol game mechanics :D
I'm not quite sure what you mean.
u wouldnt have survived that many IF it was from one stack, one Worth of behemoth vs 1 week of VL. and behemoth would win or atleast they should, but seeing this, yes they get Power from the leader wich right there says all that this isnt fair fight, also units that cost more, should be more powerfull, and seeing this, its obvious that is not the case
Whether or not I would have survived if all of those Behemoths were in one stack is irrelevant. For this fight, they were not, and I knew full well that they wouldn't be which is why I even bothered to take the battle in the first place.
As you've said, units that cost more are generally more powerful, but Vampire Lords are a notable exception for reasons unknown.
Also, I think you may have misinterpreted my statement regarding "Vampire Lords > Behemoths". I said this in reference to this fight alone. But to see you deny this leads me to believe that you seem to think I have applied this to all possible cases, even though that is not what I suggested.
Those behemoths should be in action movies, that's how the henchmen fight there too
Easy fight, easy life.
ezpz
Teach me master! Give me a lesson, I want to be as god as you are with them. You must have spend many years learning that one. Kapap
Mekick is a selfish professional, he won't show us his true ways :'(
how did he did it i mean what im soory for being a noob but somune plz explain
@Tyranuxus
Wait... are you THE Tyranuxus?
The winner of the 3rd place in this year's Heroes 3 championships?
@@rhaenyrareigns2200 ikr he writes like 13 you sweaty bitch
Kapap
Reminds me of ghosts in HoMM 2.
Exactly. Those were even more OP actually since their numbers could continue to grow without limit, Vamps just replenish their fallen.
What was really bad was the necro with ghosts and skeletons. Stacks of peasents on the overworld could actually determine who won due to massive troop swings.
I am above such cheese though. I use Pheonixstorm (and am very much aware of the hypocrisy).
They couldn't grow without limit. You can only have 9999 of them in one stack. After killing something with 9999 ghosts theirs number change to 0 and battle crash :D
Ghosts are the reason peasants exist
Jeez, if only cloak of the undead king would create vampires instead
Vampire lords are balanced....as all things should be - Thanos 2018
lol
In Vampire Lords I have FAITH!! 😂 This was awesome man. Hearing you geek out on the audio was hilarious!
It's nice to hear that you enjoyed it :)
Wow. Those are sick. Just like your creepy cry-laugh noise. Bro you creeped me out with that. Pls stop
Sorry -- I couldn't resist. :(
Don't be sorry lol. Legit reaction to what happen on the screen.
:')
PanWu My legit reaction on this howl is to take my legit shotgun and stop suffering of this dying creature with pretty legit way ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
swergdach
haha! that's funny :D
And this is why people usually try to find and bumrush Necropolis ASAP in multiplayer. That, and the Skeleton hordes that Necropolis builds up later in the game. Skeleton horde+Vial of Lifeblood/Ring of Life/Ring of Vitality is ridiculous.
Indeed! To say the least, Skeleton hordes are annoying to deal with in the late game. At that point, Health-boosting artifacts are just icing on the cake.
I always get stuck at the campaign when fighting against Necropolis. The Vampire lords are just...
Which campaign are you referring to? The ones in Shadow of Death?
TheKnownWorld Probably ,,Unholy Alliance (campaign name)," ,,Final peace (scenario name),"and it was the scenario where you had to defeat Gem's former master lord Fayette who was turned into a vampire I think. Can't remember very well though, I haven't played this game for a long time. Anyways, when you have defeated his "minions," you have to go to the underworld. Once there, my army was beaten by him. Now that I start thinking, I could have just skipped several weeks and get a bigger army than Fayette's army (becouse I had more towns and he couldn't attack me for different reasons) and attack after that. Sorry, my English can be bad sometimes, it's not my native language.
No need to apologize -- your English is fine! :)
Truth be told, I have never played Unholy Alliance but an army of Vampire Lords sounds scary to deal with. Did you have access to Expert Slow and some shooters against them?
By popular demand, at some point I'll probably go over the full Heroes III Campaign so I'm sure I'll get a taste of this massive army that you speak of.
TheKnownWorld Yeah well I can't remember correctly though. The armies were not that big actually, but he had a lot of death knights (much over 50 if I'm correct) which was a big amount against my army. And of course the vampire lords aswell (and the other guys.) However I think I'll try it again soon. Thank you!
EDIT: I can't remember if I had expert slow but I think I had some Grand Elves. However the enemy had haste so they got slaughtered. Again, I may be uncorrect.
Got it. I wish you the best of luck in your rematch! :)
centaurs, vampire lords, mighty gorgons and pheonixes. This game is not bias to specific towns, no not at all.
Nope, not at all. Although to be honest, I don't have nearly as much of a beef with Centaurs or Mighty Gorgons as I do Skeletons and Archangels.
TheKnownWorld mighty gorgons death gaze, they can kill a crystal dragon in a 1v1, they just murder everything
Do they murder the undead? :P
While I do see why that special ability might be terrifying, Mighty Gorgons are often somewhat difficult to come by (i.e. resource costs and Resource Silo prerequisite) in the higher difficulties and are much more useful for taking on high-level creatures more than anything else. They also struggle a bit more when dealing with low-level units.
TheKnownWorld it may just be that I love the gorgons a wee bit too much
Hehe, understandably so! In my current playthrough for The Lord of War, I'm having quite the field day with them. ;D
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you speak russian but have a lithuanian flag... wtf
Having lithuania flag and speak russian, that's really insulting dude, take that off.
That is just RIDONCULOUS! I always knew Vampire Lords are OP AF. But this much?!
Yup! Welcome to Vampire Lords!
Doesn't look like anything to me.
Poor MK is laughing so hard he is at the border of sheding some tears xDD
lol
FAIR AND BALANCED
half of race have this kinda mechanic that allow you to avoid any losses, like vampire, hypnosis+illusion, resurrection, etc.
it's fine
We need to resurrect this as a meme
As if Vampire Lords aren't still alive as a meme already. :P
Vampire Lords were probably the first meme in Heroes III, that and gremlin spam.
i feel like i just traveled back in time.
Welcome back! How does it feel? :D
Vampire lord < lord Dave
I approve this
I don´t get it
Just put them in the corner, shield plus animate dead spells and you can do ALOT, even dragon utopias are easy. If you can afford to put them in the bottom right corner of the battlefield it will work just as well against small creatures.
vampire lords are fine l2p
lol
Any chance on getting full games uploaded on youtube? I know twitch has vods, but yt is just so much better to watch them in
Well, we dont see if you have offense or armorer skills. Attack skill is quite high, so vampires are draining so much life back. Anyway, fighting with monsters is usually easy with strong hero. Try it with the stacked behemonts controlled by hero (or without hero, result will be the same) and vampires will fall under single blow. This victory is mainly because of stupid AI.
Actually, you can see that Gunnar has both Offense and Armorer at 0:00. While it is true that a single stack of 44 Behemoths would probably one-shot the Vampire Lords, the fact of the matter is that they *weren't* in one stack for this battle. "Strong" hero or not, it's a bit ridiculous that a single stack of Tier 4 units can solo all of those Behemoths with minimal spell use.
I watched this like 10 times and i need more
The fuck was that
skillz
Some mad skills tho
👍
[Vampiric laughter]
:D
glad I saw this live
lol
definitely better quality content than watching a scout run into a naga bank! /sarcasm lol
2020 and still watching
I dont understand you are crying or laughing :P
Both? ;D
Hahah i knew you would say that XD
34 vampires vs 42 behemoths? Not a problem
Holy crap, they are well balanced yes.....
Indeed! ;D
What i like to do is Dungeon + black dragons + armageddon hero = spell power and knowledge with spell power being priority. Then you are killing machine + enemy heroes think ( lol 3 dragons we can beat him with our big army ) so you can trick them in to attacking you.
Actually, I used this tactic (befittingly referred to by some as "Dragogeddon") for some of my recent Let's Play Heroes III videos. My main issue with this strategy is that if you're up against an opponent who has Orb of Inhibition or creatures who also have immunity to Armageddon, then you're in trouble.
Of course, this isn't even considering the setup and luck necessary for getting Armageddon in the first place.
True but its fun when you get attacked then -----> "At this moment he knew he f*cked up"
Perfectly balanced as all things should be.
so this is why necropolis is banned on so many multiplayer tournaments and matches
Among other reasons, yes. Necropolis is also notoriously strong thanks to Necromancy, which allows a player to farm massive stacks of Skeletons for almost no cost at all.
My favorite MM3 unit by far. They're unbeatable in mass. Add a never endless stock of skeleton fodder and you have a winning team.
Same here! Vampire Lords are my favorite unit in Heroes III as well, and after putting up this video I don't think I need to explain why.
The OPness of vamps are the fact that you can get them asap. You can't, however, compare that to Conflux overall superiority.
Agreed! Vampire Lords are particularly powerful because of how cheap they are and how early on you can get them. By the late game, of course, Conflux's Phoenixes generally hit harder due to their stronger stats and unusually high base growth.
I've centered to much around skeletons and undead knights that I never realized how good the vampire can be....
But now you know! :D
man it's been YEARS since i played this but i remember moments like this.
also cue the benny hill music when you started to dart around the field with them in hot persuit ahaha xD
lol
I'm fan of homm3 since 2005. I love your videos. I would like to see a video with good explanation how to farm demons and the other more important thing is what to do when you start with multiple towns. I just cant understand should we focus on one or all of them.thanks
Hello! I'm happy to hear that you've enjoyed my videos.
If you're interested in a video that has to do with Demon Farming, feel free to check out my Inferno Let's Play episode.
Regarding starting with multiple towns, there are very few situations I've played where this is actually the case so I lack experience in this regard. My Pestilence Lake and 1v7 Small Map playthroughs would be the closest instances to starting off with multiple towns, so feel free to check those videos out.
In theory, I would build up at least a Town Hall on both towns and then focus on building up one town. In practice, the exact approach can depend on your playstyle and the map/situation itself. Are you being attacked on all sides? If so, then it might make more sense to focus on defending one town first. Are you not being attacked at all? If so, then perhaps try and build up. How you approach the map can really depend on a number of factors.
in heroes of MM 4, the vampires are totally unalanced, if you are able to get a vampire in the first 10 days you can crush small armies of lvl1 creatures only with your vampire..
2 weeks later my army was just vampires and skeletons (necromancy ftw) and was that enough
That's pretty cool. Heroes III's Vampire Lords sound just as broken, albeit with slightly greater numbers.
I think each vampire lord should only be able to be reborn once.
Interesting suggestion, although this would probably make Vampire Lords a lamer version of Wraiths.
What’s with the laugh?
“Gur gur guh hur!”
u should do an experement where u fight 1 azure dragon with 20 vampire lords, 1st with crag hack. then with an armor hero
that peter griffin laugh tho
Lol, this is fucking absurd. Nicely done
and here I was thinking it was an update on HD version for vampire lords when video notification poped up lol
well played
;)
Yeah, I remember defeating 30 red dragons with 19 vamps on skirmish.
Sounds about right!
this is why they always get a well deserved gang up in every match I get against undead. that or I ignore them.
Is a gang-up enough for these bad boys? :P
unlike the hydra they usually die when you attack them with half of your army at the same time.
Meh. Nothing can impress me since I watched Luna beating the same amount of behemoths with just 1 pixie.
1 pixie? Did they spam magics or what? I wanna see.
@@ladyhm.6748 It's possible with Conflux hero Luna. No cheats or mods. Her special skill is Fire Wall with buffed damage. I try to find the video in my watched history but with no luck. Try to search for "heroes 3 luna fire wall" or something like that.
@@kirilovkk Just found it. It's ridiculous. Lol.
Just wiped my tears caused by getting smashed by necropolis after installing hota with rebalanced necromancy... oh wait
lol
Necro is always banned online. Hordes of free skeletons, "balanced" vampire lords and black knights.. this is just too easy
Not always. HeroesWorld permits the use of Necropolis without the Necromancy Amplifier (which also negates the use of Vampire Lords).
But yes, like you pointed out, Skeletons and Vampire Lords wreak way too much havoc. Personally though, I haven't had much of an issue with Dread Knights.
Indeed balanced.
Would be interested in seeing the vod, if you have a link for this perticular stream.
Actually, I do! You can find the VOD for this match at www.twitch.tv/videos/124807535. The match itself starts at 5:40:50. Have fun! :)
Awesome! Thank you a lot. Enjoy your uploads!
You're welcome -- I'm glad to hear that you're enjoying them!
This reminds me of when I played against someone that used to swear by Barbarians, and about 50 or so Vampire Lords made him change his mind real quick. This is why you ban Necros if you aren't using WoG rules.
lol, nice! HotA also has its own set of balance changes for Necropolis as well.
I like the nickname of the other guy. RitoSux. Someone has been playing League for a while.
lol @ RitoSux
I have a lot of respect dude, but that laughter... wtf? XD
I’ll admit, perhaps I went a bit overboard on that one. :P
:D
why you not uploading your stream fights ? I watched all your videos already . :)
Archers is good too, or some range unit with high speed. It is the same sometimes
Ranged creatures can seldom take down over 40 Behemoths alone with so few units.
Yes, Vampire Lords are definitely the best necro unit, and one of the most dangerous units in HoMM 2 or 3 in general. They are always the unit I try to build up to first, and the first I want to kill if my opponents have any. Scary good.
FinalManaTrigger In Heroes 5 are also great, plus you can double their life drain ability
Twilight vampires are strong after all
lol
i mean, this should come as no surprise~
i thought it's usually not banned because the inital dwelling price could be a biiiit steep early on
That Disscusting Vampire Lords,I hate them.
Those terrifying Vampire Lords, I love them!
Awesome video, the mad laughter really sells it.
I'm still learning, but it's things like this that make me prefer Necropolis to Fortress.
...I'd be killed to death in multi though.
Hello! I’m quite glad that you liked the mad laughter - I think that this was quite the turnoff for a lot of the other people who watched this video. ;D
Of course, I’d argue that Fortress isn’t as brutally overpowered as Necropolis is. But to be completely fair, Fortress has its own set of tricks that are quite enjoyable as well, but which also aren’t banned or restricted in multiplayer.
Also, multiplayer is its own story. If you’re enjoying the game where it’s at, then you should have no worries about being “killed to death” if you ever do play multiplayer. :P
Oh, playing solo is still fun, I probably do things too conservatively for multi (though I'll probably start trying some at some point)
I mean, the last solo game I had went...wrong. Because of unlucky monster placements (and monster growth) there ended up being several piles of level 6/7 creatures that ended up too strong to kill, which effectively walled off my segment of the map.
The only reason I was able to do anything in the end was that I found a pandora's box with Dimension Door in it, but by then one of the AI teams had swallowed all the rest.
The joy of random maps.
Interesting. Yeah, you’re right - random maps can be rather rough sometimes, especially if you’re really unlucky. Do you remember which random map template you were playing that match on?
I think it was just a regular xl-sized map, it wasn't from any scenarios or anything.
I've never been that unlucky with the placements, it was actually kinda cool.
I see. It's nice to hear that you enjoyed yourself even in such a situation! :)
Wait .. is this HotA ... in multiplayer everyone sees the combat vs npc monsters? : )
Yes, this match was done on HotA. HotA doesn't show combat against the AI, but since I was streaming at the time, other players who had my stream open (if they were on my team) got to watch me take this battle.
This looks like every HOMM.
This is the first time I've heard someone say this. To me, Heroes III doesn't look remotely similar to Heroes IV or any of the later entries in the Heroes of Might and Magic series.
They are almost as balanced as Destroyers in Warcraft 3.
I'm afraid that I can't quite relate to that reference. I didn't really play much of Warcraft III, and for the brief periods of time that I have played it, I don't recall having to deal with Destroyers.
forgot to mention glad you didint fight against any tower creatures, hard to then absorb health when there creatures are created by magic
Gremlins, Magi, Master Genies, Nagas, and Giants say otherwise. ;)
I like games that arent straight up balanced so that every unit is the same.
lol, can you name any examples of games that are like this?
Not necessarily strategy games, but a lot of modern RPGs and MMOs tend to balance everything to death, so that classes don't seem to mean much anymore.
Take your generic wizard/fighter/cleric classes. One deals 15 fire damage, one deals 15 physical damage, one 15 holy damage. They're different types of damage, but the outcome is so marginally different that it nigh on doesn't matter what you play.
Take a PnP game like DnD for example. Earlier editions made choices like being a wizard pretty meaningful, because 1d4 hitpoints meant that bad breath could potentially kill you, but if you played smart you would get to higher levels and start being able to rain death down on people. Fighters on the other hand started off pretty strong, but kind of fell off at the late game. It's completely unbalanced in that sense, because one class is clearly better in certain stages of progression.
5e on the other hand is pretty much balanced that most classes aren't too powerful in any stage of the game. It's safer, more reliable, but also kind of boring.
Now, for a filthy HoMM3 pleb who just likes to play for fun, I'm cool with Necropolis. I'm completely deferential to tournaments and professional players banning Necro because it IS ridiculously overpowered in that setting.
I see. I haven't tried many newer games myself, but from my experiences in other games that I've played as of recent (i.e. DotA 2 and League of Legends) I haven't felt that the developers have tried to “equalize” the playing field for all the choices in a single role. In fact, I’m often more ticked off that they fail to properly balance the game as opposed to overbalancing it.
Either way, I agree to some extent when it comes to Necropolis's status in Heroes III. As overpowered as people perceive Necropolis to be, the faction has been widely unchanged and remains as iconic and enjoyable to play as ever.
when the enemy puts all the behemots in one stack, things are different.
True, but that wasn't the case here.
The AI wouldn't of done this because the AI value of 34 vamp lords is so much lower than the lots of behes
Well said!
Of course I can't beat 5 gold dragons with 20 vampire lords. I'm a scrub.
Wait... How do you get the grid to show where the enemy can move when you hover over them during combat?
This is a feature of the HD mod, downloadable from sites.google.com/sites/heroes3hd. With the HD mod, you can see how far enemy units can move by hovering over them and holding down the CTRL key.
Ah, thank you for the information!
You're welcome!
Im a scrub and dont know much about the combat in Heroes 3 but really want to learn, What does picking the " Wait" option give you in advantage for the defense?
See czcams.com/video/KB9Q7RV9oAs/video.html for a runthrough of what Wait does. Let me know if this helps! :)
Oh Cheers! The video explained what I needed to know \o/
You're welcome!
On that day, no spells were cast.
Totally 100% balanced.
Not broken at all!
how can your vampire could hit and still move ?
I used the Wait feature. For more details, see my video on Waiting in Combat at czcams.com/video/KB9Q7RV9oAs/video.html.
Hey man, i've got a question that i can't seem to find an answer for anywhere. I've seen the AI use a two way monolith and without walking one tile away from it go back, because there is a large stack of neutral monsters in front of it. Is there any way to do this myself?
Yes, there is. You can step on the same square that you're currently on by pressing Space Bar. Do note that this feature is only available in versions later than Restoration of Erathia, meaning that if you have Ubisoft's HD Edition on Steam then you won't be able to do this.
Thanks man, saw it in your FAQ. Is there any way i can throw some of my money at you?
Necro are an odd little faction in HOMM3. They can be insanely powerful. but they can also be insanely weak. They are probably the best late game faction though. Pretty terrible early doors. And they only really have 3 good units. Vamps, Liches and Death Knights.
Necropolis can be insanely powerful, yes, but in the right hands I don't think I've seen an instance where Necropolis has been "insanely weak". Also, contrary to what people have stated about Necropolis, they're far from terrible early game. Although they don't have access to a ranged unit until they get Liches, Necropolis can make do with just farming Skeletons, especially with Galthran. I'm not sure about you, but I'd say that having a stack of over 200 Skeletons by the end of Week 1 along with Necropolis's other armies is pretty good for the beginning stages of a match.
If I were to guess, you deliberately opted not to include Skeletons in your list of Necropolis's "good units" since they don't have any special abilities or exceptional stats. I still think it worth pointing out, however, that they do come in massive numbers (and for free, as well). Because of how big Skeleton stacks get thanks to Necromancy, they often do enormous amounts of damage, which definitely qualifies them as a "good unit" in my eyes.
Yes, fair comment i guess. Although one of the main reasons i said they can be insanely powerful late game is actually because of skeletons. Necro with mass haste and a legion of skeletons is quite a scary sight. They are not good rushers though. That title probably goes to fortress or Inferno. And if you have a bad map/monster spawns then they can be severely handicapped.
Exactly! One of Necropolis's greatest strengths is the hordes of Skeletons they can amass by the end of the game, but that's exactly why I consider Skeletons to be a good unit. When used correctly, Skeletons can be a very hard-hitting powerstack that act as a win condition for Necropolis players.
Even in the early game though, having Galthran as a starting hero and building a Skeleton Transformer allows you to begin with well over 70 Skeletons, which gives you plenty of options to clear the map with if you play your cards right. Of course, not being able to do much with a "bad map/monster spawns" applies to just about all of the factions, depending on just how bad the start is.
What makes you say that Fortress and Inferno are "good rushers"? I can understand why this would be the case for Fortress, but Inferno is boggled down with expensive resource costs and mediocre unupgraded starting units. With Efreeti, their early game becomes a bit more manageable, but it's still pretty atrocious relative to the other factions like Castle (Marksmen), Rampart (Centaurs and Elves), Tower (Master Gremlins and Solmyr), and Dungeon (Troglodytes and Shakti).
I only say fortress and inferno are good early doors because you can quite easily get efreeti and wyverns early (week 1). With upgraded cerberi, inferno are quite decent, even though the rest of their troops suck. Their high resource cost is kind of mitigated by the fact that you dont actually need to buy anything other than cerberei and efreeti (and maybe gogs). No other faction has a 6th level creature thats within such easy reach. Although its slightly more dicey on inferno, i grant you. But compared to the others, they are probably the easiest.
Well what do you expect if you have 36 high tiered troops with a hero vs creatures without a hero? I know they're behemoths but they are big and so block each other off. You probably could have just left your vampire lords in the corner and only 2 could have hit you at a time but it makes sense to use your movement.
My point is it's not common to get so many high tiered troops stacked up like that. Imagine if you have 36 champions that's still an incredible army that's not easy to get. So add in no retaliation and regen and you have a strong ass stack. But as soon as your regen isn't sufficient you would lose. So if the stacks of behemoths had been big enough to knock your stack of VL's down more than they could regen you would have lost.
I'm afraid I don't quite understand what your main point is. I'm not sure what the relevance of bringing up "36 Champions" is, either. First of all, you referred to the Vampire Lords as "high-tiered troops" even though they are Tier 4 units, which is much closer to mid-tier than high-tier. Consequently, the notion of getting 34 Vampire Lords is quite feasible in some matches, although probably not as early on as I did in this match. I also think it worth pointing out how even a dozen Vampire Lords (roughly Week 2/3) is enough to clear out a good portion of the map in some random map matches even with a side hero, which can't be said for the other units in the same tier.
The other observation you seemed to make is that if the Behemoths were big enough to kill the Vampire Lords before they could properly regenerate, then I would have lost. But I went in, somewhat confident that they would pull through. And they did.
I feel like that laugh gave me cancer