THE GROCK EXPERIENCE
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- čas přidán 15. 02. 2023
- THE GROCK EXPERIENCE
So in this video, I'm going to try out another one of the top-picked heroes during the M4 Tournament...And this one's Grock.
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9:38 Dang that johnson was so smooth he avoided that wall very quickly
His instinct is much faster than my neighbours clapping each other
9:38
@@preach9 oh sorry my bad
Ikr right. I was waiting for Elgin to mention that but guess maybe he didn't see it or pay too much attention on the minimap😂
That's what u call tokyo drift
@No name Yours don't?
kinda wish grock could recast his wall so he could put it down earlier
yeah this never made since to me, i main grock and sometimes the wall did it pupose and i need to remove it
Hi, former global grock here :). Grock roam is a great pick, but not in solo queue. Grock shines in his ability to annoy enemy team comps, and zoning key enemies in teamfights. Early game, he can invade, help mage clear waves, and intimidate enemy jg/mage in early clashes. Despite that, he is still really squishy early game. He falls off late game if your team isn't experience enough to end fast or if your team throws. Ime he's best paired with a strong early game hero like yve or fanny, or other tanky heroes to help tank in teamfight. Imo, his cc isn't as reliable as khufras or atlas'.
Grock exp is much better. He can hold his own against meta fighters by constantly poking. In teamfights, he doesn't have to worry about soaking all the dmg (though he can with his passive). Paired with a great initiating tank such as khufra or atlas, it's difficult to counter a double tank ult in teamfights.
But if you play him exp isn't his sustain really bad
Once u use your combo all you can do is back off
@@perry-4444 hes damage is very high,unless you are a ruby who can heal constantly you won't engage him much or a masha and zhong
Diggie is almost every tank’s worst nightmare.
@@marble8519 not grock his 1st skill has cc immunity which just denies digges 2nd
@@gmail.comLmao I said almost. Plus Grock needs to be near a wall for his passive to proc and Diggie denies Grock’s ultimate.
9:00 ELGIN: HOPE ANOTHER MIRACLE WILL HAPPEN
PING: OK
Elgin, congrats on reaching 1Billion views on CZcams! Feels good to be part of this community.
tank Grock not used in lower ranks because in lower ranks it's more likely to get the trash teammates and very hard to kill the enemy when you set and then your teammates just farming :) but exp lane grock has more higher chances of carrying in solo queue 😊
Damn, remember when grock's ult used to deal huge amount of damage that it can literally one shot anyone except tank. The nerf really hits hard, I used to play him often before the nerf came because of the ridiculous damage
It still deals a ridiculous amount of dmg to squishies when you go for a penetration build, besides a combo from 1st skill + ult + dire hit + heptaseas basic attack is about more than enough
He's more like in strategic play, that's why he's popular in higher ranks. Minion blocking was the trick that every DOTA rank player usually do in order to delay laners' farm.
I really think it would be nice if the devs added a second phase to grock's wall where you can choose to take it down early for when you mess up your casting..
It's weird moonton has not added that since grock's release
like badang's
@@zackzoom8779 Bro its weird that you play grock exp lane full dmg build but he still more tanky than actual tank..
@@zackzoom8779 and u guys really want grock to get more op..
A freaking tank played on exp lane with full dmg build dealing 2.5k dmg with one skill and his damn ultimate stuns 3 seconds.. and the range. Bro grock need a nerf not a buff -..-
People who have 5k points play grock because he is too op
@@benedettaerenjager6573 That's because grock is best played with squad, and no way he is able to deal that damage in solo rank
Is it just me or now we can't ultimate + flicker silvanna anymore
This got patched lol
She from underated to unplayable
@@Weird_guy47how tf is she unplayable am i missing something? last time i check she was op even before ultimate + flicker trick
Got removed but the cast speed was buffed and skill 2 now counts as a basic attack so feather of heaven went from solid item to busted core item on silvanna.
Flicker ult lets her ult from out of sight
Like Frwydchicken said,Grock is a scaling hero.Even if u go 050 in early game,full build damage Grock can still change the outcome of the game.Have patience when playing him guys
9:37 that Jhon driving skills is crazy man 🔥
i can't forget my game when i built grock burst damage and comeback with teammates who just wanna give up, was literally 35 mins long i even stole two lords and enemies where cheering for me lmao that was so intense but so fun seeing that burst damage pop off
Grock is a good counter pick to franco, kufra and atlas. Having a cc immune means you can check bush easily while casting skill 1. And if atlas, kufra were ever to flicker ult your team, you can always use your ult on the opponent backline to save them.
You're not immune to franco's ult though. It's so annoying, I've died several times trying to wonder why am I being stunned when I'm still holding 1st skill.
@@trolleycartwheel9409 it’s suppress suppress does not care about any cc immunity
Who will throw out surpress skill for a roamer 😂, except they are on low hp.
It is more worthy to surpress asasin or mm or mage
@@trolleycartwheel9409 Franco is one of the three heroes who have suppression in their skills (also with Kaja and Barats)
@@trolleycartwheel9409 and Suppression is the ultimate stun that didn't removed by CC immunity
The reason why you stall wave is because if enemy mage/marksman has stronger early than their counterpart it’s safer to have wave aggroed to your side so you don’t get ganked by enemy core or mage. Furthermore, you can recall every 30s since grock clears wave really fast so that your team can play slightly more passive and farm up better. This way you might force enemy to overextend to reach their wave and it’ll be a free Gank.
grock dmg is very good against heroes like wanwan bcz his high phy defense and burst damage and also his ult flicker is very unpredictable not like atlas and have 1.8 sec stun and he counters js and fanny and any dashless hero with his 2 skills
Agreed, he has faster skill deployment. The only thing that comes to mind why he is unpopular on lower rank because of his weird skill kit. He isn't as straightforward as other tanks and requires a deeper knowledge on how to use his skills (and most common mistake I see is when to use his wall because it can ruin your teammates position also if not used properly). But once you understand his kit more he can be a very effective team fight initiator. (Flash backs to when he is the top pick for all tiers)
@@oddpotato4038 yes thats right and a lot of player dont know about his cc immunity if hes close to the wall while charging his first skill
Not to mention grock dmg has so much armor that wanwan ult cant even do half hp even with armor pen
He also has passive when you increase his physical attack
9:40 the johnson who managed to turn in a small area though 😆
It's amazing how mythic rank game became M4 after the tournament many players started picking up hero's and playing them from M4 and I love it honestly. Can u do a video abt both harith and lunox in the gold Lane?
Many tries but many also failed
Im no Grock user but all these years of playing ranked i encounter some good grock players i think what makes him popular in m4 is because of his ability to check bushes without getting ccd and get bursted down ambush is quite popular in late game so grock is a good pick if your enemy have hard cc
Edit: He's also good initiator
1:00 lucky Johnson😭
bruh moonton just add" we got the lord" with Elgin voice for ingame speech communication
Good gameplay Eyok Elgin. keep farm and carry hard
Next M4 hero I want see u play is Lapu2
"I guess they can still use it in the next game" 😂😂😂
I really think Grock is a wonderful pick as a roamer to help his team snowball faster and secure objectives on the early game.
As EXP laner he is also very good for push and dealing damage, he is not used by lower ranks because they lack in game knowledge and game sense to use him properly.
The fact that Brody survive that last team fight is impressive tho
If only my teammates is this cooperative.
Im glad yuzhong won voted m-skin. Im hoping for grock or maybe any other tanky hero like belerick. Should give more exposure on tank hero.
It's so hard to use grock in lower rank since his stun aren't so obvious for inexperienced players. Unlike tigreal that and altas that are all so obvious. But for me a second skill and third skill combo of grock is also a best set.
his name gives it away:
grock = great rock
i hecking love Grock Exp
Grock exp is insanely good especially during first turtle.
i honestly think they should put back his magic def stats when near a wall, its honestly a huge nerf to us who are tank roamer grock
High and Dry can work on Grock but Weapon Master is better since he gets more damage from his items while still getting more tanky.
Grock became popular because of the flicker ult combo and the buff of flicker
Grock has great for 5man/trio with comms
Buys Malefic Roar = the glock experience
Nuh uh, we do not move on when you dont explain that kiss 🤨🤨🤨
I never thought that I would hear someone said “Experience Laner” 😂😂
Is the minion block used to give zone advantage to a solo mid lane teammate as Gin said, as well as deny xp to the enemy briefly? What benefits are there? Also i wondered if using Antique Cuirass vs Grock lowers his phys defense in fights?
I am usually a damage dealing roaming grock
Finally, I've been playing grock a lot and it is amazing
Xp (weapon master dmg build no boots ) and roam (same thing but with dire hit)
2/1 defense item (athena shield/radient/blade armor) pretty good
I use: BOD BOH MR (if u need, SH if u don't def item or BOD) BOD (again) (Defense item or BOD again)
LMAO with those sarcasms..
Wish grock can remove his wall
Just like badang
This way players have more room for error
exactly but i feel like it would lower his skill floor. a buff like that would be really good for sure but i think it just gets rid of the whole positioning the wall properly thing
@@firstername That buff is very necessary, and it does not make grock less of a cool hero to master.
@@firstername And it's still the same thing, you place wall whenever its needed but you can remove it for your team to go through!
@@firstername And he would be able to play with fanny players without getting flamed when the fanny's attack is interrupted by the wall
As a Grock main, the reason why he was seldom picked in lower ranks is...
1. People think tanks should be roamers, not Saber, Thamuz or even Julian.
2. Lack of team coordination when played as a tank.
3. People think squishies such as Chou and Zilong are wiser EXP lane choices compared to tanks.
Hey Elgin I'm a huge fan,may I ask u a question how did u have those items sell in outside in your map bottom how man
11:27 That's such a strong Brody.
I usually go sprint with grock as I bull doze through enemy teams, they normally underestimate how much dmg his 1st deals and they’re too late to realize once their hp has been halved. Even if I were to die I’d take the dmg dealer with me
A pro enemy’s Grock is my Khufra’s formidable opponent so far.
Low ranks doesn't pick him bc they don't know how to play him probably. Playing him to his full potential is kinda difficult
ive been abusing grock since he released and was broken op, hes still my 2nd fav hero since then
would you cover the new emblem system with full explaination and recommended talent for heroes?
hi, I use grock as main for 2 years now with 2k plus match.. before the ult buff i use him supp/tank sometimes tank ass mix with def item, now i use grock with assassin emblem exp lane or roam tank with supp emblem for movement speed and hybrid Penetration for kill secure. he is a bit squishy early game but give deadly damage if u build damage Penetration properly. my only complain is not many reports about his passive bug, sometimes it didn't trigger instantly after pressed skill 1 when u about to get stun, and skill triggered automatically after stunned duration, thus moonton never addressed this bug to be fixed. his ult can be easily counter by chou first skill, vexana curse skill and her ult , terizla ult and many more.. his passive can be stopped by many heroes such as brody, franco ult, kaja.. the only spell that i mainly use is execute and flicker . my only rule u dont build full tank if u go solo que cuz u will get disappointed by stupid core that can't positions themselves and die first in team fight. spare some damage for ur build 😉
Hello there Elgin what website do you get your statistics from? I wanna look at them
At 9:00
Elgin : hope we get another miracle
Ping : ok sure 😹
Our Roam
Bro the johnson got the move
Hi elgin i love your video im a fan since you anime the mlbb i have question for you are you a Filipino? Pls answer this
LET GROCK HAVE HIS COLLECTOR SKIN ALREADY!!!!! PLEASE ELGIN TELL MOONTON, HE IS MY FAVE HERO!!!!
Hahhaa i was laughing about the enemy turrets still being complete and still can be used in their next game 🤣🤣🤣
Use whatever hero , nothing makes you wins,
well I want to see Dyrroth in next video
When will they just remove his Mana? It's one of the things that annoy me most about him. What exactly is the reasoning behind keeping him as a mana user? He barely has cc
Please do wanwan next. She's always banned in pro games but is surprisingly open in rank these days
Reckon you should buy bloodlust axe, his life steal is pretty awesome in the Laning phases & mid game.
You also forgot that grock was played in jungle few times
Nice name johnson. Jayvee vs Papa jesus haha
Jayvee really thinks he's got a chance against Papa Jesus lmao
0:58 ME AND MY HOMIES FOR NO REASON 🗿
bro ikr😭
bromance 💪
For Exp Grock, I like Bloody Axe more than Hunter Strike as the first item. But maybe that's just my solo player bias.
Next Grock Jungler with damage build HAHA
I think you should try Yawi Khufra?
Can you try Odette?
Respect to Jonhson he is really a good driver😂
Nice ❤
Does everyone didn't noticed that elgins intro's is smooth transition
most of the time when players use grock in lower tiers they usually equipped it with tanky items which is the wrong way to play him. Because his hp is base on his physical damage attributes the more physical items he build the tankier he gets. Usually I go with the heptaseas first because it greatly complements his first skill, after charging his 1st skill in the bush and casting it against the enemy his damage really hurts plus the passive of heptaseas surely makes ur laning face easier.
Are you going to ignore defensive items passive?
Personally what u really need is a friend with you atleast who listens like duo or trio becuz trusting randoms is what i do and keep losing i was almost global for grock but lost a lot so just kept him in bay for now
Tank with a damage build is scary LOL. Tigreal MM build, Franco Assassin Build and Johnson Mage build. Squishy heroes are just a blink of an eye to them.
High and dry or weapon mastery for exp grock? And explain your choice
0:58 Ayo johnson is sus that he wanted a kiss
M I the only one who is admiring that fanny's skill?
In lower ranks objective and mecro plays doesn't exist ur team combo will sometimes be full mm 3hypers etc and you just have to carry the whole team 😂 that's why they don't use heroes like grock.
Hey elgin try to use the lapu lapu of the super rookie Sanford
Or maybe the yve of another super rookie sanji
Grock
There is a new update in advance server they brought back the new emblem system
Hey Elgin can you make a video on why Lylia is still picked in M4.
I asked Betosky for 480 days plus and gave up because he either is not reading comments or just ignoring the message for all those day.
Thanks
Hilda roam is also papularised by m4
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AS A TANK USER IN OUR SQUAD AND A CAPTAIN, I USUALLY PICK TANK HEROES THAT CAN HARASS ENEMY JUNGLER AND GIVE VISION TO OUR TEAM.. GROCK IS ONE OF THEM ALONGSIDE WITH HILDA AND HYLOS... I LOVE TANK HEROES SPECIALLY HYLOS.
Elgin try Yu Zhong Next
Is this Bocchi The GROCK
Lmaaaaaooooo
eyok with "intro" HAHAHAH
Elgin's humor💀💀
Can you pls do another do not try this at rank Brody tank pls pls
Hahaha just had a match against Grock at EXP lane and he didn't even stand a chance against my Guinevere.
If you play grock in low tier, players doesn't even know you gave them the opportunity to engage
nice
Can we see live jjk live event draw 😸😸
Could you play Jungle Fredrinn
Reason: High damage and cc immune