Elder Holland and Michael Purdy make misleading statements to a BBC reporter who calls them out on it. From the 2012 Documentary "The Mormon Candidate"
And how about you? Are you “knowledgable”, TTTTS? What do you know of… let’s see… how about ‘POLYGAMY’? Can you tell us about that? Specifically God’s view of it. Can you speak for God for just a moment here to educate me about that topic please?
More knowledge or more of an intent to entrap and besmirch? Elder Holland wasn’t lying. Temple covenants are symbolic. We would not want to firstly unwittingly commit spiritual suicide through refusal to keep them sacred, and secondly, incur the natural physical consequences eventually… like a free society that continues in immorality eventually becomes too corrupt and self destructs. It’s a warning that, having had so many blessings, if we then go completely against them, our condition would be fatal, as described in the Book of Mormon in Alma 9. Maybe this is because once those who know the Lord well and reject him, have made a choice and will not change it. It’s a slippery slope once anyone starts breaking temple covenants, and can be fatal but not in the way most people outside the church have misinterpreted it.
Elder Maxwell surely would be proud of that quadruple alliteration!🙂 And it sounds like a wise and noble thing to me - the protecting against predatory practices of polygamists, AND the righteous practice of polygamy (as opposed to the unrighteous practice of it). The lifelong polygamists, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (“THE CHOSEN PEOPLE OF GOD”), would wholeheartedly agree with me on that. And so does God. What did God Himself have to say about the LIFELONG POLYGAMISTS Abraham and Isaac whom He selected to be His “CHOSEN PEOPLE” because of their exceptional righteousness? Let’s listen to God (rather than pharisaical anti-Christian ACCUSERS) and learn something, shall we… “And the Lord appeared unto him [Isaac the lifelong polygamist], and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of: Sojourn in this land, and I WILL BE WITH THEE, and WILL BLESS THEE; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father [and lifelong polygamist]. And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be BLESSED… [WHY??? God continues]… …Because that Abraham [the lifelong polygamist] OBEYED MY VOICE, and KEPT MY CHARGE, MY COMMANDMENTS, MY STATUTES, AND MY LAWS.” -Deuteronomy 26 SO, God judged Abraham (a lifelong polygamist) to be one of the most righteous of men. It’s also instructive to note that Abraham was also a practitioner of INCEST (his first wife Sarah was the daughter of Abraham’s own father - Abraham and his wife Sarah were BROTHER and SISTER). NOW, the question begs to be asked: Does this make Joseph Smith and Brigham Young more righteous than Abraham? All of them practiced polygamy, but Brother Joseph and Brother Brigham never practiced INCEST as did God’s faithful servant, Abraham. Hmm. Where are the “ACCUSERS OF THE RIGHTEOUS” now? “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone”. [???WHO SAID THAT???]
@@iDONTdoFacebook Marriage is between one man and one woman per God. If you read the Bible you would know God never approved of polygamy and in fact the points out the problems of polygamy.
It was never named Mormon there smart guy. It was a nickname attached to the church. It has never been an official name of the church. If you are going to criticize it at least know the facts.
@@keithlott1916 I guess you forget the Meet The Mormons movie put out by the church and the multimillion-dollar I am a Mormon campaign. What was the actual true name of the church?
@@sdfotodude the true name of the church that has been the name of the church since it's beginning. Is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints " . I understand the confusion on believing that we were call mormons. Mormon is essentially the same thing as calling a redneck Bubba. And then someone saying his name is Bubba because that's what he answers to, even though his real name is John but he embraces the name Bubba because he's easy going and a good guy. Plus some people would take him correcting the name as wierd or rude.
@@redneckriviera2432 you are a Mormon. The true name of the church was the Church of Christ. It is now technically referred to as the corporation of the president of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. A sole proprietor.
@@sdfotodude the church has the same tax exemption as every other church. The movie meet the mormons. If I'm thinking of the right movie. Was not put out by the church. It was put out by a group that made movies and they happened to be members and decided to put a movie out about there religion and to educate people.
Because it is personal between you and God. Do you think Moses told Israel everything discussed or every covenant he entered into with the Lord on Mt. Sinia?
I realize it’s been over a year, but I just came across this video and comment. For context, I converted to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints late 2013. Before that time, I searched out every faith I could find and learned what I could for 15 years. Every faith teaches the need for secrets. Secrets are important not just for those who want to commit evil, but for those who want to ensure safety and to teach correctly. Biblically, there is a concept that while crude fits this question: “tossing pearls before swine”. Again, crude. But if we regard swine to mean any creature without the ability to understand the value humans place on pearls, I hope it becomes more apparent. What is being taught there Biblically is that there are things of value that you can’t just show because the value of it won’t be understood or appreciated. A modern day example of this might be me telling you to watch a movie or play a game because it really struck a chord within me. It was a masterpiece. You ask me what it’s about and I dodge the question but tell you that you really should watch or play it. I could tell you in that example what it’s about, but it would sap all your joy in watching it yourself. If for example it was the game Subnautica (Warning, spoilers ahead) I could tell you about the Reaper Leviathan. But experiencing the serenity of the game, going through the work of building the survival gear you need…there’s so much context to it that you’d miss that makes the encounter so meaningful. Secrets are positive things as much as they can be negative. Think of birthday presents and marriage proposals. Think of happy, embarrassing moments with friends you all share only with each other. What if a reporter suddenly came into your life asked you with suspicious intent about the contents of the gift, or the thing between you and your friends?
@@Extrasolar_XSLR Well that’s a complete misunderstanding of Matthew 7:6! The verse is about taking care of and not wasting your own holy things, not keeping holy things away from other people. Why torment the language this way? Yes I know the L-DS church isn’t the only one that has, but it is absolutely not something all religions teach. Jesus’s entire thing was making salvation available to everyone, not just some “chosen elect” that follows all the right rules and can afford to enter the temples. You can see this clearly in Luke chapter 14, when Jesus lectures the Pharisees (the educated middle class). He tells his host, “When you give a luncheon or dinner, do not invite your friends, your brothers or sisters, your relatives, or your rich neighbors; if you do, they may invite you back and so you will be repaid. But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed.” Luke 14 concludes with Christ saying, “Whoever has ears to hear, let them hear.” This is the polar opposite of keeping holy things secrets.
Remember in the Bible where it discusses the time when the Savior took his apostles and other disciples through the temple to assume oaths and covenants, signs and tokens, necessary for their complete exultation--and had them start wearing garments with Masonic markings on them to help them remember these oaths and covenants? No . . . you don't remember? Maybe because it's because it never happened. Furthermore, tell me where these "necessary and vital" things were discussed anywhere in the Book of Mormon, let alone the Bible.
May be best to read the whole Bible. And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,...... "And thou shalt bring Aaron and his sons unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and wash them with water. And thou shalt put upon Aaron the holy garments, and anoint him, and sanctify him;"
As someone who hasn't been active in that church and at heart is an ex Mormon I can see how Holland frames the conversation. The reality is that the Mormons believe it's a sacred ritual that they call an ordinance. Meanwhile on the outside looking in it seems like a secret ceremony. Which it is. Replace the word secret with sacred and it changes the feeling behind the word. The reality is the Mormons are so immersed in their way of life it seems more than the right thing to simply make little white lies to protect their beliefs as they believe they are doing the "right" thing, with the mindset they will eventually have their religion spread around the world because they believe that's what "God" wants. The rest of the world looking in just see the lies they tell in a religion that has secret rituals which most people get the vibe as suspicious. In a way it is suspicious and very similar to masonic rituals. No matter which way the Mormons see it the rituals/ordinances that they have are secret and indeed similar to cults. No one on the inside of Mormonism would see it as a cult, but from my own perspective being in the church 17 years and outside it 7 years I can say it's definitely similar and has symptoms of that of a cult. And as people say: If it looks and sounds like one. It must be. Glad I'm not in this any more.
Holland looks like the nervous one here. He even calls Obama, Osama. He was obviously uncomfortable answering these very respectful, meaningful, and accurate questions.
I just wish "the brethren" had the apparent ability to recognize evil, and distinguish between obvious good and obvious evil. But apparently it's not obvious enough.
To those who feel attacked reading comments here or seeing the video. Ignore the attacks that may or may not exist here. Please, with all my heart, just watch this video 3xs for like 10 minutes. Do so with an open heart and open mind, you might come away from this video and think that these two important people in the church were lying. This does NOT mean your faith is a lie or the church isn’t true. It simply means what is clearly evident here…lying occurred. If you choose to believe after that, this is your free agency/choice.
I too am still waiting for a credible answer to that question. Where is the lie? Where is the dishonesty? Every time someone asks, the only response given is an empty, weak, “Don’t you understand - these Mormon leaders lied!” But they never tell us where, when, or how they lied - as if they actually think that simply saying they lied makes it so.
@@iDONTdoFacebook Holland tried to deceive (that's lying) the interviewer by stating there were no death penalties in the temple....then had to retract and say "we used to" when further questioned.
@@parkerplace2910 There are no death penalties in the Temple, C DQ. The Apostle was straight up honest with us there. There was once some SYMBOLIC verbiage included in the Temple ceremony that has been misrepresented by ignorant ACCUSERS as a literal “death penalty” (which the Apostle honestly and rightly acknowledged to his ACCUSING interrogator without divulging details, having taken his sacred oath and covenant with Christ seriously - a faithfulness that weak covenant breakers and those not spiritually prepared for or worthy of the sacred Temple Ordinances cannot and do not understand). OBVIOUSLY the no-longer-used verbiage to which we refer was only SYMBOLIC as there have been several weak-spined covenant breakers over the past 200 years who have gone on their angry spiels divulging things they had formerly covenanted with God they would not divulge regarding things that are beyond their spiritual acuity in their spiritually unprepared condition - and never have any one of those ever had any penalty executed upon them beyond the excommunication of their membership in the Church. Your attempt to convince yourself that The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints ever incorporated a literal penalty is a demonstration of ignorance and a waste of your time. Your ACCUSATION (and that of the Apostle’s interrogator in this video) is VERIFIABLY untrue by the simple fact that NO ONE has ever been executed or killed in ANY way, shape, or fashion as punishment for breaking Covenants made with God in His holy House. Imagine that. C DQ, let me help you here… “EXECUTION” and “EXCOMMUNICATION” are two DIFFERENT things. Did you not know that? While EXCOMMUNICATION is a real thing in the Church, EXECUTION never has been.
@tapir rider A guy capable of only a one-liner (and riding tapirs). No wonder you’re lost in ignorance, tapir. Learn to do some study and reading beside tapir riding and you might gain some wisdom and knowledge. Let me help you (again)… Back to elementary basics for you, tapir rider… SYMBOLIC… Literal… SYMBOLIC… Literal… SYMBOLIC… Literal… SYMBOLIC… Literal… >SYMBOLIC< You would see an improvement in your ability to comprehend the meaning of sentences if you would learn the definitions of words. Reading and studying (and riding tapirs) won’t help you until you learn the BASICS of reading and studying. Only then will you be capable of learning anything and gaining some education. There have never been any threats in the Temple. That is obvious. There have been several who have divulged the sacred Temple Ordinances, but not one one of them has ever been murdered for it in any fashion - no hangings, no firing squads, no throat slashings. The Temple verbiage that you speak of is SYMBOLIC of a hard reality that is coming AFTER THIS LIFE OF MORTALITY for all those who dishonor God. The day will come for those who trash His sacred Ordinances and Covenants when they will only be able to WISH they could slash their own throat and be done with it all while the demons of the Spirit Prison’s hell entertain themselves by torturing, tearing and ripping at them with claws and teeth. They’ll SCREAM for relief but none will come because they’re already out of their physical body and the spirit can’t be killed but can only suffer endless torment. They’ll wish they could slash their own throat and be done with it all, but what good will that do when your spirit’s throat (and torso, and every other part of you) has already been torn wide open by teeth and claw a million times over, and yet you still live to SCREAM in sheer agony and pain in a night that has no end. The Temple SYMBOLISM to which you refer points to a reality that is indeed coming for the “ACCUSERS of the righteous”, but not in this world of mortality, TR. You’ve only got a short mortality to learn these things. I suggest you spend less time riding tapirs and learn the meanings and definitions of words so you can comprehend the meanings of sentences, paragraphs, and the sacred scriptural books of revelatory Truth - before it’s too late for you and your long night comes for you - when that which God tried to teach you thru scripture, Ordinances, and symbols becomes your ETERNAL REALITY, either within the Light of Life, Love, and Peace …or the darkness of demonic torture, pain, anguish, and REGRET.
Being uncomfortable isn't really lying. One doesn't have to volunteer information. I don't like how they handle it but its not a clear case of telling a fib. They both admit to it, though uncomfortably ( I mean who wants to say they spy on their own members?)
The issue is not that there was a pledge to god, it is the secrecy of the lds organization. This leveled church and segmented organizations, even at high levels, give protections to that secrecy and does not allow people to clearly see who makes decisions, who communicates with who and why decisions are made within the lds church organization.
@ Scentaur Fragrance - I know right!!! Holland tried to strawman this into ... “all religions make pledges to god ... or what kind of god would he be” ... as if we have a problem with pledges. You know what is more sad than Holland lying? The members who see this interview and justify Holland’s deceit.
“When disappointment and discouragement strike--and they will--you remember and never forget that if our eyes could be opened we would see horses and chariots of fire as far as the eye can see riding at reckless speed to come to our protection.” Elder Holland) We love you, Elder Holland!
This was edited to put the interviewer in the best light and to put church leaders in a bad light. So insincere for this to be put out in its unedited version. No matter what critics do it is never to put something they hate in a good light. The church has done humanitarian works that the critics never talk about because it weakens their point of the church being evil.
To be honest what isn't fair is all the conspiracies surrounding the entire Mormon offshoot from start to finish. In less than 200 years at that. It is astonishing that such a restoration to truth would have so many contradictions, changes, doubts, allegations ect. From the 1st prophet on.
I’ve seen the entire video. The video was entitled “the Mormon candidate.” Of coarse this church has done great humanitarian efforts throughout time. That has nothing to do with this. The video was made because Romney might win the presidency at the time and so it was discussing how (until 1990) he would’ve sworn an oath that says that if he told anyone what he did in the temple he should die. Holland admits this in the video. So the interviewer is just (rightfully wondering) how Mitts religious allegiance might effect him if he was president? This isn’t new, JFK had it brought up as a Catholic, if someone was a Jehovahs Witness, Buddhist, Muslim, etc it’s valid to wonder.
If this reporter is so interested to know about the Mormons, why don't he just do his research properly and convert himself into the church to find out, if he so curious to know about the gospel , not everyone is perfect
PART 1… From whence cometh the KNOWLEDGE of TRUTH? From whence cometh CORRECT UNDERSTANDING? And to WHOM is it given? We live in seriously trying times. A real divisiveness has descended upon mankind. It has even found its way into the Church. The Faith of many within the Church is being severely tested. Some are shook to the core. Thru this process, which we have known thru ancient prophesy would surely come in the last days, some have LOST their faith while other’s faith has been STRENGTHENED. What is the difference between these folks who choose such different paths? It is also instructive to note that THE MOST SEVERE TRIALS of the faith of the saints and indeed the faith of all Christians of any of the 800+ sects of divided Christendom, HAS ONLY JUST BEGUN. It is about to get MUCH MUCH WORSE. Here is THE KEY of all that follows (note it well): STRENGTHENED FAITH comes thru the PRAYER of faith and the PERSONAL REVELATION that comes in response to our honest seeking and petitions to God that He provide us with THE CORRECT UNDERSTANDING of things He has ALREADY REVEALED thru His Apostles both ancient and modern, as well as any ADDITIONAL INSIGHT not revealed thru the prophets and Apostles which God our Eternal Father might PERSONALLY bless us with to aid us in our understanding of His already revealed Truths and in our desire to have our faith in both He and His chosen servants STRENGTHENED rather than weakened or lost. It is VITAL to understand that in the realm of Knowledge, Understanding, and Truth, there are >TWO< categories, and they are >NOT EQUAL< in importance. With that in mind, here are some quotes of some of the Lord’s choice servants followed (in PART 2) by my thoughts and some of what I’ve been given to know thru personal revelation. NOTE: I am NOT an Apostle/prophet. I only share these things with the hope that it may help someone find their faith in Christ STRENGTHENED as well as perhaps the gain of a deeper understanding of the role, responsibility, and the mission of the chosen, anointed, and ordained mortal servants of Christ: His prophet and the Apostles of The Quorum of The Twelve. A few quotes... “I affirm at the beginning of this discourse that the inspiration of God is available to ALL who worthily seek the guidance of the Holy Spirit. This is particularly true of those who have received The Gift of the Holy Ghost. WE MAKE NO CLAIM OF INFALLIBILITY OR PERFECTION IN THE PROPHETS, SEERS, AND REVELATORS. Yet I humbly state that I have sat in the company of these men, and I believe their greatest desire is to know and do the will of our Heavenly Father.” -James E. Faust (July 31, 1920 - August 10, 2007), an ordained member of the body of men called The Twelve Apostles of Jesus Christ. _______________________ “I am more afraid that this people [the Latter-day saints] have so much confidence in their leaders that they will not inquire for themselves of God whether we are led by Him in any particular matter. I am fearful they settle down in a state of blind self-security, trusting their eternal destiny in the hands of their leaders with a reckless confidence that in itself would thwart the purposes of God in their salvation, and weaken that influence they could give to their leaders had they known for themselves by PERSONAL REVELATIONS from Jesus, that we are led in the right way. Let every man and woman know, by the whispering of the Spirit of God to themselves, whether their leaders are walking in the path the Lord dictates, OR NOT.” -Brigham Young (June 1, 1801 - August 29, 1877), a prophet of The House of Israel, called by God from among the descendants of the “lost” Tribe of Joseph>Ephraim. _______________________ “Revelation does not come only through the prophet of God nor only directly from heaven in visions or dreams. Revelation may come in the laboratory, out of the test tube, out of the thinking mind and the inquiring soul, out of search and research and prayer and inspiration.” -Hugh B. Brown (October 24, 1883 - December 2, 1975), an ordained member of the body of men called The Twelve Apostles of Jesus Christ. _______________________ “Each of these blessings has come as a result of seeking and heeding the promptings of THE HOLY GHOST. Said President Lorenzo Snow, ‘This is the grand privilege of EVERY Latter-day Saint…that it is our right to have the manifestations of THE SPIRIT every day of our lives.’ Imagine the miracle of it! Whatever our Church calling, we can PRAY to our Heavenly Father and receive guidance and direction, be warned about dangers and distractions, and be enabled to accomplish things we simply could not do on our own. If we will truly receive THE HOLY GHOST and learn to DISCERN AND UNDERSTAND HIS PROMPTINGS, we will be guided in matters LARGE AND SMALL.” -Russell M. Nelson _______________________ “To be perfectly frank, there have been times when members or leaders in the Church have simply made mistakes. There may have been things said or done that were not in harmony with our values, principles, or doctrine. I suppose the Church would be perfect only if it were run by perfect beings. God is perfect, and His doctrine is pure. But He works through us-His imperfect children-and imperfect people make mistakes…. This is the way it HAS ALWAYS BEEN and WILL BE until the perfect day when Christ Himself reigns personally upon the earth.” -Dieter F. Uchtdorf, one of the ordained members of the body of men called The Twelve Apostles of Jesus Christ - October 2013 General Conference _______________________ “We can tell when the speakers are ‘moved upon by the Holy Ghost’ only when we, ourselves, are ‘moved upon by the Holy Ghost.’” -J. Reuben Clark (September 1, 1871 - October 6, 1961), an ordained member of the body of men called The Twelve Apostles of Jesus Christ. [continued in PART 2]…
PART 2… The Martin Harris “SALAMANDER LETTER”… After the First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints had accepted the letter as genuine, they procured and added it to the Church’s library of early Church history documents and soon thereafter published it to the Church membership as such in the April 28, 1985 issue of the “CHURCH NEWS”. Mark Hofmann, a return-missionary who had served a Church mission in England, became a noted historical document expert and was the originator of “The Salamander Letter”, ultimately pleaded guilty to his document forgeries (including “The Salamander Letter”) and admitted to the two Salt Lake City bombings which killed two Church members (one of them a Bishop from a prominent LDS family, whose wife was a Romney) and was subsequently sentenced to life in prison. Upon the discovery that the Church’s hierarchy had been deceived and had bought into a fraudulent deal, Church leaders, especially First Presidency member, Gordon B. Hinckley, continued to field criticism for some time. Many members left the Church over these events. Some left before the fraud had even been discovered when the Church published what the First Presidency thought to be, and stated, was a genuine letter written by Martin Harris to W. W. Phelps detailing what was purported to be an early Joseph Smith account of his first view of the gold plates in the stone box after removing the rock it was sealed under. The Harris letter (later a proven forgery made by Mark Hofmann) claimed that Joseph’s original story included a white salamander appearing in the stone box containing the gold plates, which salamander then turned into “a spirit” that told Joseph he couldn’t yet have the plates and wouldn’t be able to get them unless he brought his dead brother Alvin’s body with him in order that Alvin’s bones could be used in a sacred ritual which would allow Joseph the power and authority to remove the plates so that he could translate them. Many members couldn’t reconcile the difference between the long published testimony of Joseph’s account of his first view of the plates (the REAL account) and the one that the Martin Harris letter, with its white salamander requiring strange rituals using dead men’s bones, purported to be Joseph’s “original” account of that event. So there were a number of people who left the Church at that time just prior to the discovery that the document was a Mark Hofmann forgery and was never written by Martin Harris. The crazy story of a white salamander requiring a sacred ritual using dead Alvin’s bones was all concocted by Hofmann who received $40,000 for his faked letter. The next year (1986) there was a new wave of members who left the Church when it was discovered that the letter was in truth a Mark Hofmann forgery and the First Presidency had indeed been deceived by it. Gordon B. Hinckley later said: (quote) "I accepted him [Mark Hofmann] to come into my office on a basis of trust … I frankly admit to being duped-Hofmann tricked us. We [The First Presidency] WERE UNABLE TO DISCERN THE EVIL INTENTIONS OF A MAN LIKE HOFMANN. He also tricked experts from New York to Utah, however. I am not ashamed to admit that we were victimized. It is not the first time the Church has found itself in such a position. Joseph Smith was victimized again and again. The Savior was victimized. I am sorry to say that sometimes it happens." (close quote) At the time that this was all happening, I was living just 166 miles from Salt Lake City in James Town Wyoming. I was in Salt Lake City about once a month or so, so these things were “close to home” for me at the time, especially considering I was a member of the Church. So, why didn’t I join with either of the two waves of people leaving the Church during this period? Why am I still a member of The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints in support of The First Presidency? There are some who would honestly ask this of me. [answered in PART 3]…
PART 3… Why didn’t I leave with others? An honest question. My answer is also an honest one... Because I am spiritually astute enough (ALL THANKS DUE to a caring Father in Heaven who answers the prayers of men {and women} who call upon Him in Faith for understanding and direction) to KNOW, FOR A SURETY, by the witness of The Holy Ghost, TWO TRUTHS: (1) The Hofmann forgeries and the First Presidency’s being deceived by him, were/are SECULAR matters which God is not much concerned with as they have NOTHING TO DO WITH the essential doctrines and ordinances of Salvation and Eternal Life and the First Principles and Ordinances of The Gospel of Jesus Christ which things are THE PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY of God’s prophets and Apostles and the MISSION OF THE CHURCH in any age. Don’t misread me here. I say correctly that God has LITTLE CONCERN for secular things and will let his Prophets and Apostles address those things as they see fit, knowing their decisions might not always be infallible in the secular sphere as prophets and Apostles are yet MORTAL men, and, when in error, those errant decisions (regarding SECULAR matters) will NOT steer us wrong in spiritual/doctrinal/Eternal matters but will merely serve to TEST THE FAITH of the saints of God (which is one of the primary reasons we all agreed to come to mortality). Again, SECULAR things are NOT essential doctrines and are NOT pertinent to our Salvation and Eternal Life, so our Father in Heaven isn’t much concerned with those things and the decisions made by Church leadership regarding them. In the Hofmann event and all things related to it, what Father in Heaven WAS/IS deeply concerned with were the choices made KNOWINGLY by His son, Mark Hofmann, who lied and perpetrated gross fraud for personal gain and then shed blood, taking lives to cover his crimes. I imagine The Father’s sorrow over Hofmann’s fatal choices must have been similar to His great sorrow when King David had Uriah killed for the sole selfish purpose of obtaining Uriah’s wife Bathsheba for himself. AND God is also greatly concerned with all those who abandon their Faith and Covenant with Him and walk away from HIS Church simply because they discovered that God’s chosen prophets and Apostles are imperfect mortal men still in their probationary Second Estate who can make occasional mistakes in secular matters AS DO WE ALL. The Apostle John Himself admitted to being an imperfect mortal man regardless of his holy calling when he revealed this Truth: “If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.” (2) Thru the witness of The Holy Ghost, I have been given to understand CLEARLY the GREAT DIFFERENCE between SPIRITUAL things which are ESSENTIAL to our Salvation and Eternal Life (the revelation and teaching of which are the PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY of the Lord’s anointed, ordained servants and the FOCUS of the Church mission)... and SECULAR things (such as business and banks, and political matters such as highly experimental gene-altering mRNA-based injections prematurely touted and pushed by a CORRUPT government as being “necessary” and “for our own good”) things which are NOT the primary responsibility of the Prophet and Apostles nor the focus of the Church, but are EACH INDIVIDUAL’S OWN PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY to manage for themselves and their immediate families. I understand CLEARLY the place and role of the Lord’s ordained prophet and Apostles - that they are INFALLIBLE in their revelations and teachings regarding the SPIRITUAL things (the sacred doctrines and ordinances of Salvation and Eternal Life and First Principles/Ordinances of The Gospel of Jesus Christ) - but are CLEARLY NOT INFALLIBLE in matters SECULAR: BUSINESS DEALINGS (such as the bank Joseph Smith founded which many saints lost their life savings in when it failed... or the unknowing procurement and publishing of faked documents by the First Presidency which they erroneously thought to be genuine Church history documents) and POLITICAL MATTERS (such as experimental gene-altering injections, perpetual USELESS face-masking and USELESS lockdowns put upon us by a Leftist controlled, rogue federal government executing their Plan designed “IN SECRET CHAMBERS” which “SEEKS THE DESTRUCTION” of our Republic’s Constitution and ultimately its REPLACEMENT by an iron-fisted, ONE-PARTY AUTHORITARIAN/TOTALITARIAN dictatorship communist-style government modeled after China’s Communist Party). [continued in PART 4]…
PART 4… Joseph Smith revealed that... “A PROPHET IS ONLY A PROPHET WHEN HE IS ACTING AS SUCH.” At other times he is yet a mere mortal man still in the trials of his probationary “Second Estate”, still not perfected, and still not infallible. In the sphere of SECULAR things such as BUSINESS and POLITICS (and even personal decisions regarding our individual and family’s HEALTHCARE), those things are the individual’s responsibility and is BETWEEN THE INDIVIDUAL AND THE LORD and is not the place for Prophets and Apostles to be making decisions for us. They are to make those decisions for themselves as we are to make them for ourself. President Nelson, his counselors, and the Brethren who serve with them in the Quorum of The Twelve Apostles understand this Truth. That is why President Nelson never said we were under any kind of mandate or commandment from the Lord to accept the injection or the masks or that it has anything to do with our obtaining Salvation and Eternal Life. He never insinuated that his “encouragement” or “urging” his hearers to accept those things was a “THUS SAITH THE LORD” thing. He CLEARLY left it to be between the individual and the Lord and let us know that our decision to either follow the suggestion or not would have no bearing on our status or worthiness within The Lord’s Church. My knowing what the Lord has revealed to me personally regarding the Injection, masks, and lockdowns and their DESIGNED EVIL PURPOSE, God would never have told President Nelson to tell the saints “Thus saith the Lord, you are to take the Injection and wear the masks”. And President Nelson didn’t. He simply said as a man talking of SECULAR things to the extent that he is aware or unaware of the REAL science behind it (the Truth being regularly CENSORED by traditionally accepted “news” outlets so that MANY and perhaps MOST of our citizens are entirely UNAWARE of what the REAL doctors and scientists are warning us of)... so perhaps NOT KNOWING of the Truths and warnings that are being WHOLLY CENSORED and BLACKED-OUT by the mainstream medias, President Nelson said we “urge” any of you who feel the need to get it, to get it (he must be using censor happy CNN or the other Truth censoring fake ‘news’ outlets as his “news” source is all I can figure). As the Apostle James E. Faust of the Quorum of the Twelve said in a Church General Conference only a couple of years after the Hofmann event... “WE MAKE NO CLAIM OF INFALLIBILITY OR PERFECTION IN THE PROPHETS, SEERS, AND REVELATORS.” (he is obviously speaking here of the decisions the Church makes in the SECULAR sphere). …and… “The inspiration of God is available to ALL who worthily seek the guidance of the Holy Spirit. This is particularly true of those who have received The Gift of the Holy Ghost [after water Baptism].” I’ll leave you with President Hinckley’s frank, honest admission… “I frankly admit to being duped-Hofmann tricked us. We [The First Presidency] were *UNABLE TO DISCERN* the evil intentions of a man like Hofmann. He also tricked experts from New York to Utah, however. I am not ashamed to admit that we were victimized. It is not the first time the Church has found itself in such a position. Joseph Smith was victimized again and again. The Savior was victimized. I am sorry to say that sometimes it happens." (close quote) It is happening again today. They (any of them who have VOLUNTARILY accepted the Injection, masks, and lockdowns) have been tricked again, this time by traitors within our own government who have been making and executing their dark Plan from within “SECRET CHAMBERS“. As Christ revealed to the prophet Joseph Smith, “THE ENEMY [IN SECRET CHAMBERS] IS COMBINED, AND SEEKETH YOUR LIVES, AND YOU KNEW IT NOT. YOU SPEAK OF WARS IN FAR COUNTRIES AND SAY THAT THERE WILL SOON BE GREAT WARS IN FAR COUNTRIES, BUT YE KNOW NOT THE HEARTS OF MEN >IN YOUR OWN LANDPERSONAL REVELATION< Our PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with God The Father and a dependence upon Christ ABOVE ALL MORTAL MEN. This is the admonition of Joseph Smith, Brigham Young and the other latter day prophets and Apostles who have followed them. This is the TRUE doctrine of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Many think otherwise, both within and without the Church. THEY ARE WRONG.
@@iDONTdoFacebook so I agree with you and the I only remember the prophet urging us to get the jab which was very pushy, I do not remember him saying only to get it if you feel the need to. You are right, this is a much bigger deal than being deceived by Hoffman. Will the prophet ever admit that he was deceived? I don't see that happening. Even in Hinckley's statement he compares himself to Christ which felt very wrong and haughty. Jesus Christ was perfect while living on this earth, he was NEVER deceived or tricked like the church leaders, very different and not to be compared in my opinion. Also the church donates our tithes to these evil corporations such as GAVI. I cannot look the other way or support that. Would love to hear your take on these points. I'm so glad you aren't a sheeple mormon and took the jab.
Lets get one thing straight, the Temple ordinances are sacred, not secret and we don't open talk about it outside. Question I like to ask is What is difference between porn and sex in martial relationship? One is beautiful love and other is trash.
If you do a little research, you'll find that the temple ordinances are modified versions of the Freemason rites, not unique creations by Joseph Smith or anyone else in the church. Joseph introduced them after his indoctrination in Freemasonry (coincidence?). They were certainly kept "secret" for as long as possible until the secrecy could no longer be maintained. The least "sacred" part of the endowment ceremony was the "Oath of Vengeance" introduced around 1845, which required members to swear an oath of vengeance on the heads of the mob who killed Joseph and Hyrum. The Oath of Vengeance remained part of the endowment until the 1930's, when it was finally removed. If you went to the temple before 1990 (as I did) you also made oaths to keep the tokens and signs SECRET (not just "sacred"), lest you lose your life in a variety of very graphic, unpleasant ways.
Something can be 100% sacred without being secret. The approach of the Mormon church is BOTH sacred, sure, AND secret. They mean different things, and you can have one without the other, or both, and temple practices ARE secret
@@mormon_talk You realize that Joseph was teaching elements of the temple ceremony before he was introduced to Masonry? He also received the revelation that became D&C 124 14 months before any masonic teachings. This section is clearly about the temple.
I cringe at this title and what was represented in the video (especially the music used to create doubt as if somehow the intentions of the church are suspect). I've only known Jeffrey R. Holland to be strictly honest, full of impeccable integrity, and a seeker of good. Not to mention the electrifying energy he emanates. He is love driven. Love for people (who he sees as children of God). Deep love for Christ (who he feels an intimate connection with) and God our father. His heart breaks when his integrity is questioned because every effort he makes is to do good for mankind and be a force for good in this church and the world. My experience is that good people generate good feelings while those who are not as good tend to generate a lukewarm or colder feeling. I'm not saying he's perfect and he would be the first to tell you that he's not. I hope you get what Im saying. Good people generate good vibes. So, I guess this doesnt resonate with me. My experience in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the absolute and unequivocal intentions (especially at the general leadership level) to see all people as children of God and bring them closer to Christ, make covenants with him, and develop as a disciple so that they come to know their savior in an intimate way (as they develop christ-like characteristics). And of course out of that love for God and man they hope to then carry this to all the world. That really is core to their beliefs. So, its hard for me to see those who go around trying to criticize the church. If criticism must be uttered as yin, at least couple it with the yang of all the incredible good the church does, the hours of service around the world in the church and community, and the efforts of always repenting and seeking to do better. Are there any other groups in the world this large who make such an effort to always improve in their relations with God and man? They intend constantly to learn and improve. And if criticized they are open to see what is hurting people and they take it to God in prayer and make every effort not to contend but to learn to uplift, heal and bind up wounds of those they may have unintentionally offended. So, if negative must be shared, then maybe share it with local leaders. Some will listen and take it up the chain. And if that doesnt work then take it up with the general leadership. Send them a letter. Set up an appointment. No one said this church was perfect. If Christ himself were running it then maybe it would be done perfectly. None of us are perfect. I"m glad someone isnt shooting me down constantly when I try to do good. So, just a few of my thoughts.
@Kenzie K Why so contentious? I don't see you using a photo of yourself? But, I can understand. Life dishes out things in a way that can hurt trust. I've had my trust broken by friends, family, church members of my faith and other faiths, and by past coworkers. So I get it. But, Kenzie, I don't hide behind fake photos. I use my photo. It is a picture of me. And, I've never heard or seen a member of my faith hide behind a stock photo. That is a very weird accusation to make. But I guess it is valid in todays world.
@@anichols2760 as Kenzie said then removed, I would LOVE to see you answer. DO you really expect anyone to believe the guy in the video above has the magical power to see into the future as your church claims?
@Kenzie K That still sounds so ...cultish, you HAVE to believe these imbeciles have magic powers to spend eternity with heavenly father. What kind of "god" would do that?
@@scottmolis4267 So did I. I was very disappointed that Holland acted like Romney had never enacted those old death penalties at first until he was further questioned. When he was president at BYU, he would've never tolerated these kind of evasive answers by a student if he were talking to them, yet he does it here.
I don’t see why Elder Holland should have to tell the interviewer anything about the ordinances in the temple. They are none of his business or the business of anyone else who hasn’t attended the temple for themselves. They are private and personal.
I have great respect for these Apostles,I know they are not perfect, but they are God's chosen leaders in these the last day's prior to the Lords return. When you look for the bad in people you will surely find it and as someone really wise said to me once, when you point your finger at people there's always three pointing back.
But isnt this different than just a personal attack on Holland? This is more like shining a light on a long PATTERN of half-truths, cover-ups, and lies, for whatever reason(s).
Valerie, I don't think bringing to light deception is "looking for the bad." This interview speaks for itself. What I see is a reporter asking a question, and two higher up in the hierarchy are deflecting and trying to not give honest answers. The question becomes why? It would have been better for Purdy to say, "Yes, there is a Strengthening Members Committee." There is, of course, one--you can even look that up online on Wikipedia and it tells you more information than you got from these leaders. That is why the reporter was asking about it. He knew there was one. And also, for Holland to say that it exists primarily to keep polygamy in check, that is also false. Nelson has been on that committee and several have been excommunicated who are deemed as a threat. Many of those members had no ties to polygamy whatsoever. The plausible deniability of both men is obvious: "I don't know because I'm not on that committee." This kind of half-truth, lying needs to be called out. I don't care if you have a title or not. If you are not honest, and say you are God's spokesperson, then you aren't speaking for God. For God does not lie.
Its funny to listen to LDS try to defend their church while their apostle shows what a horrid lair he is. And you say he has magic powers and can see into the future. LOL>
@@zachsimpson2008 But White and delightsome Romney took the oath before 1990 and the question was "i have been told he would of sworn" so...yea the original question lied about as well. It still amazes me that LDS are REQUIRED to say this lyign so and so has the magic ability to detect lies, see into the future and can read any language. (prophet and seer as well as havign the magical power of discernment) Holland lies over and over again. As usual for him and the other leaders of the LDS church. Im not shocked at all that he lies, its well documented, but the fact he is so bad at it, I would expect someone who lies as much as an LDS "apostle of Christ" to be better at it. Flackerman's "lying for the lord" features another whopper he told in general conference.
Krista, "this man" is a reporter who was INVITED to come in and ask questions of these church leaders. He asked his questions, they gave deceptive answers and the reporter (like ANY professional reporter would do) asked follow up questions to eventually flesh out the truth. The only people acting in bad faith in this video where Elder Holland and the other church representative. And I am saying this as an active LDS member. It really is disappointing to watch this.
Sweeney isn't perfect but I love the fact that he was so much more knowledgeable than Holland anticipated.
Is anyone perfect? Lol
And how about you? Are you “knowledgable”, TTTTS?
What do you know of… let’s see… how about ‘POLYGAMY’? Can you tell us about that? Specifically God’s view of it. Can you speak for God for just a moment here to educate me about that topic please?
More knowledge or more of an intent to entrap and besmirch? Elder Holland wasn’t lying. Temple covenants are symbolic. We would not want to firstly unwittingly commit spiritual suicide through refusal to keep them sacred, and secondly, incur the natural physical consequences eventually… like a free society that continues in immorality eventually becomes too corrupt and self destructs. It’s a warning that, having had so many blessings, if we then go completely against them, our condition would be fatal, as described in the Book of Mormon in Alma 9. Maybe this is because once those who know the Lord well and reject him, have made a choice and will not change it. It’s a slippery slope once anyone starts breaking temple covenants, and can be fatal but not in the way most people outside the church have misinterpreted it.
“Protect predatory practices of polygamists.” Neal A. Maxwell would be so proud.
Elder Maxwell surely would be proud of that quadruple alliteration!🙂
And it sounds like a wise and noble thing to me - the protecting against predatory practices of polygamists, AND the righteous practice of polygamy (as opposed to the unrighteous practice of it). The lifelong polygamists, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (“THE CHOSEN PEOPLE OF GOD”), would wholeheartedly agree with me on that. And so does God.
What did God Himself have to say about the LIFELONG POLYGAMISTS Abraham and Isaac whom He selected to be His “CHOSEN PEOPLE” because of their exceptional righteousness? Let’s listen to God (rather than pharisaical anti-Christian ACCUSERS) and learn something, shall we…
“And the Lord appeared unto him [Isaac the lifelong polygamist], and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of:
Sojourn in this land, and I WILL BE WITH THEE, and WILL BLESS THEE; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father [and lifelong polygamist].
And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be BLESSED…
[WHY??? God continues]…
…Because that Abraham [the lifelong polygamist] OBEYED MY VOICE, and KEPT MY CHARGE, MY COMMANDMENTS, MY STATUTES, AND MY LAWS.”
-Deuteronomy 26
SO, God judged Abraham (a lifelong polygamist) to be one of the most righteous of men. It’s also instructive to note that Abraham was also a practitioner of INCEST (his first wife Sarah was the daughter of Abraham’s own father - Abraham and his wife Sarah were BROTHER and SISTER).
NOW, the question begs to be asked:
Does this make Joseph Smith and Brigham Young more righteous than Abraham? All of them practiced polygamy, but Brother Joseph and Brother Brigham never practiced INCEST as did God’s faithful servant, Abraham.
Hmm. Where are the “ACCUSERS OF THE RIGHTEOUS” now?
“Let he who is without sin cast the first stone”.
[???WHO SAID THAT???]
@@iDONTdoFacebook Marriage is between one man and one woman per God. If you read the Bible you would know God never approved of polygamy and in fact the points out the problems of polygamy.
They are so ashamed of Mormonism. They even changed the name.
It was never named Mormon there smart guy. It was a nickname attached to the church. It has never been an official name of the church. If you are going to criticize it at least know the facts.
@@keithlott1916 I guess you forget the Meet The Mormons movie put out by the church and the multimillion-dollar I am a Mormon campaign. What was the actual true name of the church?
@@sdfotodude the true name of the church that has been the name of the church since it's beginning. Is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints " . I understand the confusion on believing that we were call mormons. Mormon is essentially the same thing as calling a redneck Bubba. And then someone saying his name is Bubba because that's what he answers to, even though his real name is John but he embraces the name Bubba because he's easy going and a good guy. Plus some people would take him correcting the name as wierd or rude.
@@redneckriviera2432 you are a Mormon. The true name of the church was the Church of Christ. It is now technically referred to as the corporation of the president of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. A sole proprietor.
@@sdfotodude the church has the same tax exemption as every other church. The movie meet the mormons. If I'm thinking of the right movie. Was not put out by the church. It was put out by a group that made movies and they happened to be members and decided to put a movie out about there religion and to educate people.
Holland caught like a deer in the headlights... desperately trying to wing it, albeit unsuccessfully 🤥
Why would a personal pledge to the Lord need to be kept secret?
Because it is personal between you and God. Do you think Moses told Israel everything discussed or every covenant he entered into with the Lord on Mt. Sinia?
I realize it’s been over a year, but I just came across this video and comment. For context, I converted to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints late 2013. Before that time, I searched out every faith I could find and learned what I could for 15 years.
Every faith teaches the need for secrets. Secrets are important not just for those who want to commit evil, but for those who want to ensure safety and to teach correctly.
Biblically, there is a concept that while crude fits this question: “tossing pearls before swine”. Again, crude. But if we regard swine to mean any creature without the ability to understand the value humans place on pearls, I hope it becomes more apparent. What is being taught there Biblically is that there are things of value that you can’t just show because the value of it won’t be understood or appreciated.
A modern day example of this might be me telling you to watch a movie or play a game because it really struck a chord within me. It was a masterpiece. You ask me what it’s about and I dodge the question but tell you that you really should watch or play it.
I could tell you in that example what it’s about, but it would sap all your joy in watching it yourself. If for example it was the game Subnautica (Warning, spoilers ahead) I could tell you about the Reaper Leviathan. But experiencing the serenity of the game, going through the work of building the survival gear you need…there’s so much context to it that you’d miss that makes the encounter so meaningful.
Secrets are positive things as much as they can be negative. Think of birthday presents and marriage proposals. Think of happy, embarrassing moments with friends you all share only with each other. What if a reporter suddenly came into your life asked you with suspicious intent about the contents of the gift, or the thing between you and your friends?
@@Extrasolar_XSLR Well that’s a complete misunderstanding of Matthew 7:6! The verse is about taking care of and not wasting your own holy things, not keeping holy things away from other people. Why torment the language this way? Yes I know the L-DS church isn’t the only one that has, but it is absolutely not something all religions teach.
Jesus’s entire thing was making salvation available to everyone, not just some “chosen elect” that follows all the right rules and can afford to enter the temples. You can see this clearly in Luke chapter 14, when Jesus lectures the Pharisees (the educated middle class). He tells his host, “When you give a luncheon or dinner, do not invite your friends, your brothers or sisters, your relatives, or your rich neighbors; if you do, they may invite you back and so you will be repaid. But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed.”
Luke 14 concludes with Christ saying, “Whoever has ears to hear, let them hear.” This is the polar opposite of keeping holy things secrets.
Remember in the Bible where it discusses the time when the Savior took his apostles and other disciples through the temple to assume oaths and covenants, signs and tokens, necessary for their complete exultation--and had them start wearing garments with Masonic markings on them to help them remember these oaths and covenants? No . . . you don't remember? Maybe because it's because it never happened. Furthermore, tell me where these "necessary and vital" things were discussed anywhere in the Book of Mormon, let alone the Bible.
May be best to read the whole Bible. And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,...... "And thou shalt bring Aaron and his sons unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and wash them with water. And thou shalt put upon Aaron the holy garments, and anoint him, and sanctify him;"
@@rodneycburgi6719 Really grasping at straws here. Old Testament, one prophet to another, one incident mentioned. etc.
As someone who hasn't been active in that church and at heart is an ex Mormon I can see how Holland frames the conversation. The reality is that the Mormons believe it's a sacred ritual that they call an ordinance. Meanwhile on the outside looking in it seems like a secret ceremony. Which it is. Replace the word secret with sacred and it changes the feeling behind the word. The reality is the Mormons are so immersed in their way of life it seems more than the right thing to simply make little white lies to protect their beliefs as they believe they are doing the "right" thing, with the mindset they will eventually have their religion spread around the world because they believe that's what "God" wants. The rest of the world looking in just see the lies they tell in a religion that has secret rituals which most people get the vibe as suspicious. In a way it is suspicious and very similar to masonic rituals. No matter which way the Mormons see it the rituals/ordinances that they have are secret and indeed similar to cults. No one on the inside of Mormonism would see it as a cult, but from my own perspective being in the church 17 years and outside it 7 years I can say it's definitely similar and has symptoms of that of a cult. And as people say: If it looks and sounds like one. It must be.
Glad I'm not in this any more.
Holland started to say "It comes from Masonry " (temple rituals)
Holland looks like the nervous one here. He even calls Obama, Osama. He was obviously uncomfortable answering these very respectful, meaningful, and accurate questions.
The way leaders justify this "lying" is, "it's SACRED not SECRET"!😉
So, you think believers should cast their pearls before swine?
Balaam would be proud.
I just wish "the brethren" had the apparent ability to recognize evil, and distinguish between obvious good and obvious evil. But apparently it's not obvious enough.
Why would a personal pledge to God need to be kept so secret?
You just answered your own question.
@@loqutor please explain
@@moesyah It's between God and the person making the pledge.
@@loqutor you do see how that doesn’t answer the question?
@@moesyah No, because it does answer the question. It's nobody else's business.
It's good to have the church's two clear as day lies from that BBC special so perfectly isolated. Thanks.
Where’s the lie ?
@@mateomartinez8641 Are you deaf?
Seems much less eloquent here than in general conference for some reason 🤔
Because his conference speeches are read off the teleprompter.
To those who feel attacked reading comments here or seeing the video. Ignore the attacks that may or may not exist here. Please, with all my heart, just watch this video 3xs for like 10 minutes. Do so with an open heart and open mind, you might come away from this video and think that these two important people in the church were lying. This does NOT mean your faith is a lie or the church isn’t true. It simply means what is clearly evident here…lying occurred. If you choose to believe after that, this is your free agency/choice.
New shit from LDS leaders, everyday now.
Wait and so what was the lie here?
You didn't understand the whole Michael Purdy conversation?.... bunch of lies
I too am still waiting for a credible answer to that question. Where is the lie? Where is the dishonesty? Every time someone asks, the only response given is an empty, weak, “Don’t you understand - these Mormon leaders lied!” But they never tell us where, when, or how they lied - as if they actually think that simply saying they lied makes it so.
@@iDONTdoFacebook Holland tried to deceive (that's lying) the interviewer by stating there were no death penalties in the temple....then had to retract and say "we used to" when further questioned.
@@parkerplace2910
There are no death penalties in the Temple, C DQ. The Apostle was straight up honest with us there. There was once some SYMBOLIC verbiage included in the Temple ceremony that has been misrepresented by ignorant ACCUSERS as a literal “death penalty” (which the Apostle honestly and rightly acknowledged to his ACCUSING interrogator without divulging details, having taken his sacred oath and covenant with Christ seriously - a faithfulness that weak covenant breakers and those not spiritually prepared for or worthy of the sacred Temple Ordinances cannot and do not understand). OBVIOUSLY the no-longer-used verbiage to which we refer was only SYMBOLIC as there have been several weak-spined covenant breakers over the past 200 years who have gone on their angry spiels divulging things they had formerly covenanted with God they would not divulge regarding things that are beyond their spiritual acuity in their spiritually unprepared condition - and never have any one of those ever had any penalty executed upon them beyond the excommunication of their membership in the Church. Your attempt to convince yourself that The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints ever incorporated a literal penalty is a demonstration of ignorance and a waste of your time. Your ACCUSATION (and that of the Apostle’s interrogator in this video) is VERIFIABLY untrue by the simple fact that NO ONE has ever been executed or killed in ANY way, shape, or fashion as punishment for breaking Covenants made with God in His holy House.
Imagine that.
C DQ, let me help you here…
“EXECUTION” and “EXCOMMUNICATION” are two DIFFERENT things. Did you not know that?
While EXCOMMUNICATION is a real thing in the Church, EXECUTION never has been.
@tapir rider
A guy capable of only a one-liner (and riding tapirs). No wonder you’re lost in ignorance, tapir. Learn to do some study and reading beside tapir riding and you might gain some wisdom and knowledge.
Let me help you (again)…
Back to elementary basics for you, tapir rider…
SYMBOLIC…
Literal…
SYMBOLIC…
Literal…
SYMBOLIC…
Literal…
SYMBOLIC…
Literal…
>SYMBOLIC<
You would see an improvement in your ability to comprehend the meaning of sentences if you would learn the definitions of words. Reading and studying (and riding tapirs) won’t help you until you learn the BASICS of reading and studying. Only then will you be capable of learning anything and gaining some education.
There have never been any threats in the Temple. That is obvious. There have been several who have divulged the sacred Temple Ordinances, but not one one of them has ever been murdered for it in any fashion - no hangings, no firing squads, no throat slashings.
The Temple verbiage that you speak of is SYMBOLIC of a hard reality that is coming AFTER THIS LIFE OF MORTALITY for all those who dishonor God. The day will come for those who trash His sacred Ordinances and Covenants when they will only be able to WISH they could slash their own throat and be done with it all while the demons of the Spirit Prison’s hell entertain themselves by torturing, tearing and ripping at them with claws and teeth. They’ll SCREAM for relief but none will come because they’re already out of their physical body and the spirit can’t be killed but can only suffer endless torment. They’ll wish they could slash their own throat and be done with it all, but what good will that do when your spirit’s throat (and torso, and every other part of you) has already been torn wide open by teeth and claw a million times over, and yet you still live to SCREAM in sheer agony and pain in a night that has no end.
The Temple SYMBOLISM to which you refer points to a reality that is indeed coming for the “ACCUSERS of the righteous”, but not in this world of mortality, TR.
You’ve only got a short mortality to learn these things. I suggest you spend less time riding tapirs and learn the meanings and definitions of words so you can comprehend the meanings of sentences, paragraphs, and the sacred scriptural books of revelatory Truth - before it’s too late for you and your long night comes for you - when that which God tried to teach you thru scripture, Ordinances, and symbols becomes your ETERNAL REALITY, either within the Light of Life, Love, and Peace …or the darkness of demonic torture, pain, anguish, and REGRET.
I assume he was speaking as a man only here...that is why he lied. What a joke!
Being uncomfortable isn't really lying. One doesn't have to volunteer information. I don't like how they handle it but its not a clear case of telling a fib. They both admit to it, though uncomfortably ( I mean who wants to say they spy on their own members?)
Lying is lying. When he said "thats not true" that is an absolute lie.
Mysterious
Any pledge to GOD has no reason to be a secret
The issue is not that there was a pledge to god, it is the secrecy of the lds organization. This leveled church and segmented organizations, even at high levels, give protections to that secrecy and does not allow people to clearly see who makes decisions, who communicates with who and why decisions are made within the lds church organization.
@ Scentaur Fragrance - I know right!!! Holland tried to strawman this into ... “all religions make pledges to god ... or what kind of god would he be” ... as if we have a problem with pledges. You know what is more sad than Holland lying? The members who see this interview and justify Holland’s deceit.
@@zmig7793 i am happy you are awake my friend and possibly escaped this church like i did. To our sanity and freedom
@3:35 President Osama Bin Obama
He let the mask slip, just a bit there.
Lol. That was quite a slip.
🤢 what a ignorant man
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Yes! That was quite a “slip”
“When disappointment and discouragement strike--and they will--you remember and never forget that if our eyes could be opened we would see horses and chariots of fire as far as the eye can see riding at reckless speed to come to our protection.”
Elder Holland)
We love you, Elder Holland!
Those horses and chariots didn't help jeffy in his lies. He had to do some fast backtracking.
@@parkerplace2910 and they didn’t have horses, swords or many of the other anachronisms Joseph mentioned during Nephis time in the BOM.
2:19
Osama = Obama, right? That's why they had that saying "THANKS OSAMA!"
This was edited to put the interviewer in the best light and to put church leaders in a bad light. So insincere for this to be put out in its unedited version. No matter what critics do it is never to put something they hate in a good light. The church has done humanitarian works that the critics never talk about because it weakens their point of the church being evil.
To be honest what isn't fair is all the conspiracies surrounding the entire Mormon offshoot from start to finish. In less than 200 years at that. It is astonishing that such a restoration to truth would have so many contradictions, changes, doubts, allegations ect. From the 1st prophet on.
I’ve seen the entire video. The video was entitled “the Mormon candidate.” Of coarse this church has done great humanitarian efforts throughout time. That has nothing to do with this. The video was made because Romney might win the presidency at the time and so it was discussing how (until 1990) he would’ve sworn an oath that says that if he told anyone what he did in the temple he should die. Holland admits this in the video. So the interviewer is just (rightfully wondering) how Mitts religious allegiance might effect him if he was president? This isn’t new, JFK had it brought up as a Catholic, if someone was a Jehovahs Witness, Buddhist, Muslim, etc it’s valid to wonder.
If this reporter is so interested to know about the Mormons, why don't he just do his research properly and convert himself into the church to find out, if he so curious to know about the gospel , not everyone is perfect
Are you a derelict?..."convert himself into the church"? He wasn't looking into being baptized. He was doing an interview for the BBC.
Hannah, Holland lied here.
PART 1…
From whence cometh the KNOWLEDGE of TRUTH? From whence cometh CORRECT UNDERSTANDING? And to WHOM is it given?
We live in seriously trying times. A real divisiveness has descended upon mankind. It has even found its way into the Church. The Faith of many within the Church is being severely tested. Some are shook to the core. Thru this process, which we have known thru ancient prophesy would surely come in the last days, some have LOST their faith while other’s faith has been STRENGTHENED. What is the difference between these folks who choose such different paths?
It is also instructive to note that THE MOST SEVERE TRIALS of the faith of the saints and indeed the faith of all Christians of any of the 800+ sects of divided Christendom, HAS ONLY JUST BEGUN. It is about to get MUCH MUCH WORSE.
Here is THE KEY of all that follows (note it well): STRENGTHENED FAITH comes thru the PRAYER of faith and the PERSONAL REVELATION that comes in response to our honest seeking and petitions to God that He provide us with THE CORRECT UNDERSTANDING of things He has ALREADY REVEALED thru His Apostles both ancient and modern, as well as any ADDITIONAL INSIGHT not revealed thru the prophets and Apostles which God our Eternal Father might PERSONALLY bless us with to aid us in our understanding of His already revealed Truths and in our desire to have our faith in both He and His chosen servants STRENGTHENED rather than weakened or lost.
It is VITAL to understand that in the realm of Knowledge, Understanding, and Truth, there are >TWO< categories, and they are >NOT EQUAL< in importance.
With that in mind, here are some quotes of some of the Lord’s choice servants followed (in PART 2) by my thoughts and some of what I’ve been given to know thru personal revelation. NOTE: I am NOT an Apostle/prophet. I only share these things with the hope that it may help someone find their faith in Christ STRENGTHENED as well as perhaps the gain of a deeper understanding of the role, responsibility, and the mission of the chosen, anointed, and ordained mortal servants of Christ: His prophet and the Apostles of The Quorum of The Twelve.
A few quotes...
“I affirm at the beginning of this discourse that the inspiration of God is available to ALL who worthily seek the guidance of the Holy Spirit. This is particularly true of those who have received The Gift of the Holy Ghost.
WE MAKE NO CLAIM OF INFALLIBILITY OR PERFECTION IN THE PROPHETS, SEERS, AND REVELATORS. Yet I humbly state that I have sat in the company of these men, and I believe their greatest desire is to know and do the will of our Heavenly Father.”
-James E. Faust (July 31, 1920 - August 10, 2007), an ordained member of the body of men called The Twelve Apostles of Jesus Christ.
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“I am more afraid that this people [the Latter-day saints] have so much confidence in their leaders that they will not inquire for themselves of God whether we are led by Him in any particular matter. I am fearful they settle down in a state of blind self-security, trusting their eternal destiny in the hands of their leaders with a reckless confidence that in itself would thwart the purposes of God in their salvation, and weaken that influence they could give to their leaders had they known for themselves by PERSONAL REVELATIONS from Jesus, that we are led in the right way. Let every man and woman know, by the whispering of the Spirit of God to themselves, whether their leaders are walking in the path the Lord dictates, OR NOT.”
-Brigham Young (June 1, 1801 - August 29, 1877), a prophet of The House of Israel, called by God from among the descendants of the “lost” Tribe of Joseph>Ephraim.
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“Revelation does not come only through the prophet of God nor only directly from heaven in visions or dreams. Revelation may come in the laboratory, out of the test tube, out of the thinking mind and the inquiring soul, out of search and research and prayer and inspiration.”
-Hugh B. Brown (October 24, 1883 - December 2, 1975), an ordained member of the body of men called The Twelve Apostles of Jesus Christ.
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“Each of these blessings has come as a result of seeking and heeding the promptings of THE HOLY GHOST. Said President Lorenzo Snow, ‘This is the grand privilege of EVERY Latter-day Saint…that it is our right to have the manifestations of THE SPIRIT every day of our lives.’
Imagine the miracle of it! Whatever our Church calling, we can PRAY to our Heavenly Father and receive guidance and direction, be warned about dangers and distractions, and be enabled to accomplish things we simply could not do on our own. If we will truly receive THE HOLY GHOST and learn to DISCERN AND UNDERSTAND HIS PROMPTINGS, we will be guided in matters LARGE AND SMALL.”
-Russell M. Nelson
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“To be perfectly frank, there have been times when members or leaders in the Church have simply made mistakes. There may have been things said or done that were not in harmony with our values, principles, or doctrine. I suppose the Church would be perfect only if it were run by perfect beings. God is perfect, and His doctrine is pure. But He works through us-His imperfect children-and imperfect people make mistakes…. This is the way it HAS ALWAYS BEEN and WILL BE until the perfect day when Christ Himself reigns personally upon the earth.”
-Dieter F. Uchtdorf, one of the ordained members of the body of men called The Twelve Apostles of Jesus Christ - October 2013 General Conference
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“We can tell when the speakers are ‘moved upon by the Holy Ghost’ only when we, ourselves, are ‘moved upon by the Holy Ghost.’”
-J. Reuben Clark (September 1, 1871 - October 6, 1961), an ordained member of the body of men called The Twelve Apostles of Jesus Christ.
[continued in PART 2]…
PART 2…
The Martin Harris “SALAMANDER LETTER”…
After the First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints had accepted the letter as genuine, they procured and added it to the Church’s library of early Church history documents and soon thereafter published it to the Church membership as such in the April 28, 1985 issue of the “CHURCH NEWS”.
Mark Hofmann, a return-missionary who had served a Church mission in England, became a noted historical document expert and was the originator of “The Salamander Letter”, ultimately pleaded guilty to his document forgeries (including “The Salamander Letter”) and admitted to the two Salt Lake City bombings which killed two Church members (one of them a Bishop from a prominent LDS family, whose wife was a Romney) and was subsequently sentenced to life in prison.
Upon the discovery that the Church’s hierarchy had been deceived and had bought into a fraudulent deal, Church leaders, especially First Presidency member, Gordon B. Hinckley, continued to field criticism for some time. Many members left the Church over these events. Some left before the fraud had even been discovered when the Church published what the First Presidency thought to be, and stated, was a genuine letter written by Martin Harris to W. W. Phelps detailing what was purported to be an early Joseph Smith account of his first view of the gold plates in the stone box after removing the rock it was sealed under. The Harris letter (later a proven forgery made by Mark Hofmann) claimed that Joseph’s original story included a white salamander appearing in the stone box containing the gold plates, which salamander then turned into “a spirit” that told Joseph he couldn’t yet have the plates and wouldn’t be able to get them unless he brought his dead brother Alvin’s body with him in order that Alvin’s bones could be used in a sacred ritual which would allow Joseph the power and authority to remove the plates so that he could translate them. Many members couldn’t reconcile the difference between the long published testimony of Joseph’s account of his first view of the plates (the REAL account) and the one that the Martin Harris letter, with its white salamander requiring strange rituals using dead men’s bones, purported to be Joseph’s “original” account of that event. So there were a number of people who left the Church at that time just prior to the discovery that the document was a Mark Hofmann forgery and was never written by Martin Harris. The crazy story of a white salamander requiring a sacred ritual using dead Alvin’s bones was all concocted by Hofmann who received $40,000 for his faked letter.
The next year (1986) there was a new wave of members who left the Church when it was discovered that the letter was in truth a Mark Hofmann forgery and the First Presidency had indeed been deceived by it.
Gordon B. Hinckley later said: (quote) "I accepted him [Mark Hofmann] to come into my office on a basis of trust … I frankly admit to being duped-Hofmann tricked us. We [The First Presidency] WERE UNABLE TO DISCERN THE EVIL INTENTIONS OF A MAN LIKE HOFMANN. He also tricked experts from New York to Utah, however. I am not ashamed to admit that we were victimized. It is not the first time the Church has found itself in such a position. Joseph Smith was victimized again and again. The Savior was victimized. I am sorry to say that sometimes it happens." (close quote)
At the time that this was all happening, I was living just 166 miles from Salt Lake City in James Town Wyoming. I was in Salt Lake City about once a month or so, so these things were “close to home” for me at the time, especially considering I was a member of the Church.
So, why didn’t I join with either of the two waves of people leaving the Church during this period? Why am I still a member of The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints in support of The First Presidency?
There are some who would honestly ask this of me.
[answered in PART 3]…
PART 3…
Why didn’t I leave with others? An honest question.
My answer is also an honest one...
Because I am spiritually astute enough (ALL THANKS DUE to a caring Father in Heaven who answers the prayers of men {and women} who call upon Him in Faith for understanding and direction) to KNOW, FOR A SURETY, by the witness of The Holy Ghost, TWO TRUTHS:
(1) The Hofmann forgeries and the First Presidency’s being deceived by him, were/are SECULAR matters which God is not much concerned with as they have NOTHING TO DO WITH the essential doctrines and ordinances of Salvation and Eternal Life and the First Principles and Ordinances of The Gospel of Jesus Christ which things are THE PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY of God’s prophets and Apostles and the MISSION OF THE CHURCH in any age. Don’t misread me here. I say correctly that God has LITTLE CONCERN for secular things and will let his Prophets and Apostles address those things as they see fit, knowing their decisions might not always be infallible in the secular sphere as prophets and Apostles are yet MORTAL men, and, when in error, those errant decisions (regarding SECULAR matters) will NOT steer us wrong in spiritual/doctrinal/Eternal matters but will merely serve to TEST THE FAITH of the saints of God (which is one of the primary reasons we all agreed to come to mortality). Again, SECULAR things are NOT essential doctrines and are NOT pertinent to our Salvation and Eternal Life, so our Father in Heaven isn’t much concerned with those things and the decisions made by Church leadership regarding them. In the Hofmann event and all things related to it, what Father in Heaven WAS/IS deeply concerned with were the choices made KNOWINGLY by His son, Mark Hofmann, who lied and perpetrated gross fraud for personal gain and then shed blood, taking lives to cover his crimes. I imagine The Father’s sorrow over Hofmann’s fatal choices must have been similar to His great sorrow when King David had Uriah killed for the sole selfish purpose of obtaining Uriah’s wife Bathsheba for himself. AND God is also greatly concerned with all those who abandon their Faith and Covenant with Him and walk away from HIS Church simply because they discovered that God’s chosen prophets and Apostles are imperfect mortal men still in their probationary Second Estate who can make occasional mistakes in secular matters AS DO WE ALL. The Apostle John Himself admitted to being an imperfect mortal man regardless of his holy calling when he revealed this Truth:
“If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
(2) Thru the witness of The Holy Ghost, I have been given to understand CLEARLY the GREAT DIFFERENCE between SPIRITUAL things which are ESSENTIAL to our Salvation and Eternal Life (the revelation and teaching of which are the PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY of the Lord’s anointed, ordained servants and the FOCUS of the Church mission)... and SECULAR things (such as business and banks, and political matters such as highly experimental gene-altering mRNA-based injections prematurely touted and pushed by a CORRUPT government as being “necessary” and “for our own good”) things which are NOT the primary responsibility of the Prophet and Apostles nor the focus of the Church, but are EACH INDIVIDUAL’S OWN PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY to manage for themselves and their immediate families.
I understand CLEARLY the place and role of the Lord’s ordained prophet and Apostles - that they are INFALLIBLE in their revelations and teachings regarding the SPIRITUAL things (the sacred doctrines and ordinances of Salvation and Eternal Life and First Principles/Ordinances of The Gospel of Jesus Christ) - but are CLEARLY NOT INFALLIBLE in matters SECULAR: BUSINESS DEALINGS (such as the bank Joseph Smith founded which many saints lost their life savings in when it failed... or the unknowing procurement and publishing of faked documents by the First Presidency which they erroneously thought to be genuine Church history documents) and POLITICAL MATTERS (such as experimental gene-altering injections, perpetual USELESS face-masking and USELESS lockdowns put upon us by a Leftist controlled, rogue federal government executing their Plan designed “IN SECRET CHAMBERS” which “SEEKS THE DESTRUCTION” of our Republic’s Constitution and ultimately its REPLACEMENT by an iron-fisted, ONE-PARTY AUTHORITARIAN/TOTALITARIAN dictatorship communist-style government modeled after China’s Communist Party).
[continued in PART 4]…
PART 4…
Joseph Smith revealed that...
“A PROPHET IS ONLY A PROPHET WHEN HE IS ACTING AS SUCH.”
At other times he is yet a mere mortal man still in the trials of his probationary “Second Estate”, still not perfected, and still not infallible.
In the sphere of SECULAR things such as BUSINESS and POLITICS (and even personal decisions regarding our individual and family’s HEALTHCARE), those things are the individual’s responsibility and is BETWEEN THE INDIVIDUAL AND THE LORD and is not the place for Prophets and Apostles to be making decisions for us. They are to make those decisions for themselves as we are to make them for ourself. President Nelson, his counselors, and the Brethren who serve with them in the Quorum of The Twelve Apostles understand this Truth. That is why President Nelson never said we were under any kind of mandate or commandment from the Lord to accept the injection or the masks or that it has anything to do with our obtaining Salvation and Eternal Life. He never insinuated that his “encouragement” or “urging” his hearers to accept those things was a “THUS SAITH THE LORD” thing. He CLEARLY left it to be between the individual and the Lord and let us know that our decision to either follow the suggestion or not would have no bearing on our status or worthiness within The Lord’s Church. My knowing what the Lord has revealed to me personally regarding the Injection, masks, and lockdowns and their DESIGNED EVIL PURPOSE, God would never have told President Nelson to tell the saints “Thus saith the Lord, you are to take the Injection and wear the masks”. And President Nelson didn’t. He simply said as a man talking of SECULAR things to the extent that he is aware or unaware of the REAL science behind it (the Truth being regularly CENSORED by traditionally accepted “news” outlets so that MANY and perhaps MOST of our citizens are entirely UNAWARE of what the REAL doctors and scientists are warning us of)... so perhaps NOT KNOWING of the Truths and warnings that are being WHOLLY CENSORED and BLACKED-OUT by the mainstream medias, President Nelson said we “urge” any of you who feel the need to get it, to get it (he must be using censor happy CNN or the other Truth censoring fake ‘news’ outlets as his “news” source is all I can figure).
As the Apostle James E. Faust of the Quorum of the Twelve said in a Church General Conference only a couple of years after the Hofmann event...
“WE MAKE NO CLAIM OF INFALLIBILITY OR PERFECTION IN THE PROPHETS, SEERS, AND REVELATORS.”
(he is obviously speaking here of the decisions the Church makes in the SECULAR sphere).
…and…
“The inspiration of God is available to ALL who worthily seek the guidance of the Holy Spirit. This is particularly true of those who have received The Gift of the Holy Ghost [after water Baptism].”
I’ll leave you with President Hinckley’s frank, honest admission…
“I frankly admit to being duped-Hofmann tricked us.
We [The First Presidency] were *UNABLE TO DISCERN* the evil intentions of a man like Hofmann. He also tricked experts from New York to Utah, however. I am not ashamed to admit that we were victimized. It is not the first time the Church has found itself in such a position. Joseph Smith was victimized again and again. The Savior was victimized. I am sorry to say that sometimes it happens." (close quote)
It is happening again today.
They (any of them who have VOLUNTARILY accepted the Injection, masks, and lockdowns) have been tricked again, this time by traitors within our own government who have been making and executing their dark Plan from within “SECRET CHAMBERS“. As Christ revealed to the prophet Joseph Smith, “THE ENEMY [IN SECRET CHAMBERS] IS COMBINED, AND SEEKETH YOUR LIVES, AND YOU KNEW IT NOT. YOU SPEAK OF WARS IN FAR COUNTRIES AND SAY THAT THERE WILL SOON BE GREAT WARS IN FAR COUNTRIES, BUT YE KNOW NOT THE HEARTS OF MEN >IN YOUR OWN LANDPERSONAL REVELATION<
Our PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with God The Father and a dependence upon Christ ABOVE ALL MORTAL MEN. This is the admonition of Joseph Smith, Brigham Young and the other latter day prophets and Apostles who have followed them. This is the TRUE doctrine of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Many think otherwise, both within and without the Church. THEY ARE WRONG.
@@iDONTdoFacebook so I agree with you and the I only remember the prophet urging us to get the jab which was very pushy, I do not remember him saying only to get it if you feel the need to. You are right, this is a much bigger deal than being deceived by Hoffman. Will the prophet ever admit that he was deceived? I don't see that happening. Even in Hinckley's statement he compares himself to Christ which felt very wrong and haughty. Jesus Christ was perfect while living on this earth, he was NEVER deceived or tricked like the church leaders, very different and not to be compared in my opinion. Also the church donates our tithes to these evil corporations such as GAVI. I cannot look the other way or support that. Would love to hear your take on these points. I'm so glad you aren't a sheeple mormon and took the jab.
Any religious person has made SOME promise to god.....sir what the fuck? No not the fucking same
Liar of all liars!
Liars and Tithers and False-Bearers, Oh, My!
Good 😂
Lets get one thing straight, the Temple ordinances are sacred, not secret and we don't open talk about it outside. Question I like to ask is What is difference between porn and sex in martial relationship? One is beautiful love and other is trash.
If you do a little research, you'll find that the temple ordinances are modified versions of the Freemason rites, not unique creations by Joseph Smith or anyone else in the church. Joseph introduced them after his indoctrination in Freemasonry (coincidence?). They were certainly kept "secret" for as long as possible until the secrecy could no longer be maintained. The least "sacred" part of the endowment ceremony was the "Oath of Vengeance" introduced around 1845, which required members to swear an oath of vengeance on the heads of the mob who killed Joseph and Hyrum. The Oath of Vengeance remained part of the endowment until the 1930's, when it was finally removed. If you went to the temple before 1990 (as I did) you also made oaths to keep the tokens and signs SECRET (not just "sacred"), lest you lose your life in a variety of very graphic, unpleasant ways.
Something can be 100% sacred without being secret. The approach of the Mormon church is BOTH sacred, sure, AND secret. They mean different things, and you can have one without the other, or both, and temple practices ARE secret
@@mormon_talk You realize that Joseph was teaching elements of the temple ceremony before he was introduced to Masonry? He also received the revelation that became D&C 124 14 months before any masonic teachings. This section is clearly about the temple.
@@keithlott1916 that's a bit hard to believe seeing as the ceremonies are so similar. Would genuinely like to know where you got this information.
@@keithlott1916 He created the endowment AFTER masonry
I cringe at this title and what was represented in the video (especially the music used to create doubt as if somehow the intentions of the church are suspect). I've only known Jeffrey R. Holland to be strictly honest, full of impeccable integrity, and a seeker of good. Not to mention the electrifying energy he emanates. He is love driven. Love for people (who he sees as children of God). Deep love for Christ (who he feels an intimate connection with) and God our father. His heart breaks when his integrity is questioned because every effort he makes is to do good for mankind and be a force for good in this church and the world. My experience is that good people generate good feelings while those who are not as good tend to generate a lukewarm or colder feeling. I'm not saying he's perfect and he would be the first to tell you that he's not. I hope you get what Im saying. Good people generate good vibes. So, I guess this doesnt resonate with me. My experience in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the absolute and unequivocal intentions (especially at the general leadership level) to see all people as children of God and bring them closer to Christ, make covenants with him, and develop as a disciple so that they come to know their savior in an intimate way (as they develop christ-like characteristics). And of course out of that love for God and man they hope to then carry this to all the world. That really is core to their beliefs. So, its hard for me to see those who go around trying to criticize the church. If criticism must be uttered as yin, at least couple it with the yang of all the incredible good the church does, the hours of service around the world in the church and community, and the efforts of always repenting and seeking to do better. Are there any other groups in the world this large who make such an effort to always improve in their relations with God and man? They intend constantly to learn and improve. And if criticized they are open to see what is hurting people and they take it to God in prayer and make every effort not to contend but to learn to uplift, heal and bind up wounds of those they may have unintentionally offended. So, if negative must be shared, then maybe share it with local leaders. Some will listen and take it up the chain. And if that doesnt work then take it up with the general leadership. Send them a letter. Set up an appointment. No one said this church was perfect. If Christ himself were running it then maybe it would be done perfectly. None of us are perfect. I"m glad someone isnt shooting me down constantly when I try to do good. So, just a few of my thoughts.
@Kenzie K Why so contentious? I don't see you using a photo of yourself? But, I can understand. Life dishes out things in a way that can hurt trust. I've had my trust broken by friends, family, church members of my faith and other faiths, and by past coworkers. So I get it. But, Kenzie, I don't hide behind fake photos. I use my photo. It is a picture of me. And, I've never heard or seen a member of my faith hide behind a stock photo. That is a very weird accusation to make. But I guess it is valid in todays world.
@Kenzie K He is another troll thats all. He wont answer serious questions he just tries to bully his way for the lard.
@@anichols2760 as Kenzie said then removed, I would LOVE to see you answer. DO you really expect anyone to believe the guy in the video above has the magical power to see into the future as your church claims?
You got a bromance with Holland or what? Given the preferred age of so many of your bishops, i would say youre much, much, much too old for him.
@Kenzie K That still sounds so ...cultish, you HAVE to believe these imbeciles have magic powers to spend eternity with heavenly father. What kind of "god" would do that?
Good job Brother Holland, I stand with you
Just curious if you ever attended an endowment session before 1990?
@@parkerplace2910 Yes
@@scottmolis4267 So did I. I was very disappointed that Holland acted like Romney had never enacted those old death penalties at first until he was further questioned. When he was president at BYU, he would've never tolerated these kind of evasive answers by a student if he were talking to them, yet he does it here.
I don’t see why Elder Holland should have to tell the interviewer anything about the ordinances in the temple. They are none of his business or the business of anyone else who hasn’t attended the temple for themselves. They are private and personal.
@@troyjudd6990 Why should members have to tell their bishop or stake president anything private or personal? It has nothing to do with them.
I have great respect for these Apostles,I know they are not perfect, but they are God's chosen leaders in these the last day's prior to the Lords return. When you look for the bad in people you will surely find it and as someone really wise said to me once, when you point your finger at people there's always three pointing back.
But isnt this different than just a personal attack on Holland? This is more like shining a light on a long PATTERN of half-truths, cover-ups, and lies, for whatever reason(s).
Valerie, I don't think bringing to light deception is "looking for the bad." This interview speaks for itself. What I see is a reporter asking a question, and two higher up in the hierarchy are deflecting and trying to not give honest answers. The question becomes why? It would have been better for Purdy to say, "Yes, there is a Strengthening Members Committee." There is, of course, one--you can even look that up online on Wikipedia and it tells you more information than you got from these leaders. That is why the reporter was asking about it. He knew there was one. And also, for Holland to say that it exists primarily to keep polygamy in check, that is also false. Nelson has been on that committee and several have been excommunicated who are deemed as a threat. Many of those members had no ties to polygamy whatsoever. The plausible deniability of both men is obvious: "I don't know because I'm not on that committee." This kind of half-truth, lying needs to be called out. I don't care if you have a title or not. If you are not honest, and say you are God's spokesperson, then you aren't speaking for God. For God does not lie.
No one is looking for bad. Honest questions were asked,dishonest answers given and both knew it
It's funny to listen to questions from people who think they are so knowledgeable about the church and yet know nothing.
Its funny to listen to LDS try to defend their church while their apostle shows what a horrid lair he is. And you say he has magic powers and can see into the future. LOL>
The question he asked about he endowment pre 1990 is true but Holland did lie about it being false.
@@zachsimpson2008 But White and delightsome Romney took the oath before 1990 and the question was "i have been told he would of sworn" so...yea the original question lied about as well. It still amazes me that LDS are REQUIRED to say this lyign so and so has the magic ability to detect lies, see into the future and can read any language. (prophet and seer as well as havign the magical power of discernment) Holland lies over and over again. As usual for him and the other leaders of the LDS church. Im not shocked at all that he lies, its well documented, but the fact he is so bad at it, I would expect someone who lies as much as an LDS "apostle of Christ" to be better at it. Flackerman's "lying for the lord" features another whopper he told in general conference.
It’s been a year since you posted this. I don’t expect a response but I ask you…what knowledge was lacking or misunderstood here?
So sad that this man has nothing better to do then attack someone’s sacred religious beliefs.
So sad the church chose to lie and deceive members and take tithe money while they enrich themselves.
Krista, "this man" is a reporter who was INVITED to come in and ask questions of these church leaders. He asked his questions, they gave deceptive answers and the reporter (like ANY professional reporter would do) asked follow up questions to eventually flesh out the truth.
The only people acting in bad faith in this video where Elder Holland and the other church representative. And I am saying this as an active LDS member. It really is disappointing to watch this.
Never attacked anyone, just asked questions and was lied to with original answers.