End of an era for this London pie and mash shop - BBC London
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- Food trends come and go, but the traditional pie and mash has weathered many a culinary storm.
Maybe until now that is. Because after more than a hundred years in business one of London’s oldest pie shops, based in Islington, is about to close saying it can't afford increased business rates and is having to relocate to Essex.
Nicola Ford reports on the end of an era.
In Paris they subsidise the small independent bookshops because they realise that that is what makes the city was it is. Unfortunately we are too happy to see the soul ripped out of our city
Forget the pie shops, the native people have been run out.
@@fr_reynolds5002 Lol
@Ginger Ginger I'm familiar with the quote. They may actually be the chosen people.
All capitalist systems require an element of protectionism. The French with their dirigiste history are far more forthcoming in that regard.
You have extremists bedding down everywhere and the native white europeans slowly being outnumbered.. Your government(s) have betrayed you.
Its sad when London loses the elements that make it what it is..
Thanks to the BBC and the Left.
It will collapse then. London hasn't even had a proper mayor now in years.
Sad that a shop selling frozen industrial pies and dehydrated mash go out of business ?
@@alan6 'cause the owners said it is hand made you believe them, like restaurateurs don't lie about the provenance of their food lol. The pies look soggy and undercooked like a used condom lol
TheAvenger62 mate there is literally A documentary on this EXACT place, where they make the pies infront of you. They wouldn’t spend thousands of pounds on this equipment and know the skills just to film a segment. Also I’ve been to this establishment and seen it myself. Use your brain Pal...
As an eastern european that moved here a while ago-about 3 years, upon discovering places like F Cooke, Arments, etc... pie 'n' mash shops, I realised that places like this should be treated as Heritage sites. They should be subsidized by the state, helped. They carry history, they are efficient (good comfort food for very low prices), they will also keep a few jobs.
How many times have u been told " go back to your own country " probably about 200 times I'm guessing
Chala 1 your people are hypocrites
@@unknownfrvr6767 Everyone has been killing everyone. The British where just better at it.
Same people who learn and change quicker in they're societies more so then most if not any others..
@@unknownfrvr6767 How can you say he's tasting his own medacine when he did none of what your reffering to?
@@unknownfrvr6767
What nationality hasn't, you brainless twit! You'd best be grateful!
It’s like anything from old England is getting killed off
Joel Smith next thing theyll take make my nan
Well, not directly. Businesses are going to keep getting more expensive to manage, especially due to Brexit.
@@nabilmiah4428 don't talk crap it's down to the local landlords putting up rents and the complete removal of the English working class from the area
@@pastorflaps6819 You literally just reinforced my point about making them more expensive to manage.
Er, Who's "They" exactly?
Landlords don’t care about tradition, money is what motivates them
Merrill George Landlords often have more than 1 property and in London especially the landlords will more than likely be living a lot better off than most people. Plus if a land lord with a near Central London property is struggling they can sell up and make a cheque.
Could be owned by the council you know...
Money,oil and gold is their god
More important than maintaining culture!
@@merrillgeorge1838 Good, that is hoe capatilism works. Clearly there is not enough demand to keep these shops alive, so if they cannot survive in the free market in the businesses, they will die out, and the invisble hand shall do its work. They are but dead weight on the economy.
Working class traditions are disappearing from London so sad
lon don yes the butchers don't sell pigs trover ham hock chitlens or trip I grew up with this grub as a kid
sarah jones oh dear, have you typed without engaging your brain?
sarah jones read the original comment please, race wasn’t mentioned in it, now unless you are a pig then I wouldn’t take offence to it. Think you’ll finds you are clearly making the association between the comment of Cultural Destruction and Race, how very Racist of your
Nobody wants to eat this shitty old people food anyway.
Cos England is a post industrial service sector economy. No working class = no working class traditions. Most Brits are what u call petit bourgeois not proletarian par se.
Be happy cos that means England is a first world country no doubt. If you still got folks doin manual labor, u r second world at best.
This was a regular haunt of mine as a kid growing up in the 60/70s when visiting all my family in Tottenham and Walthamstow, took my kids there too to show them their roots ,haven't been to London since the last of the old dears went a few years back , it was nice to think it was still there, such a shame, watching the eels squirm around in the trays by the door the smell of warm pies the clatter of trays and the big marble tables with a big gap to the fixed seat (as a kid) the mirrors and tiles and strong malt vinegar soft pastry liquor and slightly lumpy mash oh my I can taste it now , so many memories of that shop and the loved ones I've sat across the table from.
I've lived in Islington all my life and remember when chapel market use to go all the way to the end,now it's halfway.The truth is the working class man is being driven out of London by market forces and the well off are taking his place.The new generation are experimental with food and let's be honest Pie and mash isn't that flavoursome but each to their own. Still sad to see it go though.
So sad that yet another small scale traditional business serving LOCAL food closes whilst ubiquitous characterless food chains like McDonalds and Pizza Hut seem to keep opening up new outlets everywhere. I don't want to eat the same food in a place that looks exactly the same, be it in London or Cardiff or Manchester or Edinburgh. I want to find local individuality.
Liberals and marxists, who are in bed with big business despite their claims otherwise, support these big businesses crushing local(especially/only White run) businesses. You need to do more to fight them even if it takes physical intimidation.
@@123Jim91 Both parties are in bed with big business, republicans are marginally more in bed with them.
@@RandomVidsforthoughtthere ain't no Republicans in London ya fool
lol people get mad when things go out of business but they don't wanna support the business until it's about to go under.
MrRideutah truth
business rates sent the costs too high, probably not lack of demand
“We look upon the closed door with regret , but we fail to see the ones which open”
thank you for telling the truth ! most of them blame everything on other people but never on them selfs
You tend to take things for granted. It's human.
Same thing is happening here in the U.S. Working class staples are being moved out due to high tax rates so that corporate dollar can take over the big cities. Such a damn shame.
It’s not corporate businesses taking over it’s stupid overpriced vegan and coffee shops being opened by hipsters who aren’t even from the city!
Can you explain why it's a bad thing?
@@smashb3766 Those hipsters have to compete just like everyone. The real problem are who those hipsters vote for. They vote Left. And Leftism, by definition, means excessive taxation and regulations. It's not a business friendly ideology. Just the opposite.
@@taserrrIt is a bad thing for people who are not either globalists or communists. It is a bad thing for men. As you will never be a real man, you being a numale, you would not get it tbh. Without traditions among other things a society becomes weak, boys and girls like you surrender easily to invaders.
@@taserrrI mean if you are a Muslim you might think ending old businesses the White locals and elderly enjoy is a good thing. So, my guess is, you are anti-White and/or a numale, a lesser or omega male.
From what I can tell (via Google) this place is still open and still going strong.
O good.
I used to leave in London, SE5, from 2009 til 2017. I went to London to learn English, for a supposed 3 months period of time. I felt so in love with the place I stayed 8 years and only went back home to look after my mother. I've been told the recent years that if I go back where I use to spend most of my London life, I then would cry, apparently since 2017-2018 everything changed and not necessarily for the best.
Mass migration of Islam. Funny how a Christian island can be destroyed by Islam in just a five year span. Gone forever are the things we don’t keep as sacred.
Im indonesian and Ive been wanting to eat this for years ever since i watched it on youtube. Also the jellied eels. It looks delicious. Never been to UK in my life, i will be so sad if by the time i can go there, the shops are closed 😞😞😞
Many new shops are all opening, it's a shame to see the old buildings go as some of them are beautiful and rich with history but if you come to London there are still plenty of Pie Mash shops and new ones opening all the time. It's truly delicious food
What a weird dream
In New Zealand We eat a lot of Mince Beef Meat Pies. New Zealanders love Meat Pies come to New Zealand and You will get Beef Meat Mince Pie
I'm indonesian too, living in London. I'm planning to try F cooke next month
Update: I did try it last week. It was okay, but I got a photo with the owner! Fantastic visit! 😎
Hurry up. England is being destroyed. It’s lovely food.
Bland seems to be a very common theme amongst these shops, tradition is fabulous until it doesn’t sell enough to keep you afloat. Invest in flavour and variation and the vintage decor will take care of the customers
Pie and mash is a traditional part of London and has been for decades, pie mash and plenty of liquor but you must have vinegar with lots of vinegar the most delicious food sent from the Heavon.
love pie and mash , we need pie and mash shops in Cardiff , there's too many fish shops, pie and mash would be a hit in cardiff.
the boss And in bristol be such a hit .
the boss do you wanna say pie and mash anymore you mongol
I know right
I think it’s sad that a lot of people are losing a lot of the heritage of British culture. The truth is I do feel that every country has their own culture and traditions. I am proud to be British I am a Sri Lankan by ethnicity. However I am British at heart and soul I am born here.
You need to go back mate
@@user-ux6dt8pk4k lol how's that Brexit working out for you? The uneducated are usually the most racist and vile
Consequences of imperialism. The colonizers getting colonized
@@totoroid The whole point of colonising them countries was to help anyway, a multi-ethnic empire was always the goal.
Lol you live in a fantasy it was never to help the colonized it was to benefit the colonizer
absolute shame, such heritage shops should be given special status not just closed
Where I live we still have an old town market, and it’s been here for 300 years so I hope it never closes.
Anglo Commando I know and it’s a shame
wildebest yes it’s not just UK all over the world is now wrath of Chinese manufacturing power but some idiots believe it happens just for immigration you see in Australia has hard immigration policies but still it facing hard time against Chinese money based immigration
@@bparisfreedomranger9166 oh well that’s what the english australians get for taking over australia
tradition is everything. 300 years.thats special
80 years of pie and mash 🤗💚 God bless you love
😞 so sad remember it well... such a beautiful decor...love chapel market... ❤️
That heartbreaking that is
Nearly 100 years and people grew up eating 🍽 fish and chips 🍟 there after school 🏫 during lunchtime and it brings back memories
What a shame. I was a student at Queen Mary College from 1977 to1980 and lived in Mile end and Bow.
I used to enjoy going to the pie and mash restaurant and after returning to my country, and whenever I visited the Uak, I used to take a stroll down Whitechapel,mile end and visit the many small shops etc bringing back such lovely nostalgic memories.
I appeal to the local. Council to help these people to retain their livelihoods and keep the charm of East London
I remember this kebab shop near the flat I was living in feltham. last kebab I had there was in 2008. I did a quick google search about 1 year ago and the place is still there standing. I do love it when the community keeps the businesses open.
You’re close to the point but still not there
An invader shop
This was actually One of three reasons for visiting London. For me anyway as an American who loves these sorts of things.
It's a real shame. I hope you like kebabs and vapes
@@HRHooChicken I'll take the kebab over this pile of slop with a side of bland pie; the lady said it herself. They should at least leave one pie and slop shop open for their british "cuisine" history
@@decimatedbody4122 My point was that American tourists are probably in for a surprise when they visit London because of the massive changes in demographics and culture over the past 50 years. But yes I'd rather eat a kebab than a pie too, but if you're a tourist you probably don't want a turkish kebab, just like you wouldn't want a steak and kidney pudding from Paris
@@HRHooChicken I doubt people would go to the UK for their food, but I'll wouldn't mind tasting their cuisine. I was just taking the piss out of the british since they don't really need a food culture to bring out their history and pride. If I was going to visit the Uk I'll rather go to their museums and landmarks, maybe into one of their famous pubs. Food not so much.
@@decimatedbody4122 I don't think you understand what our food is like - we obviously still have the 'classics' which I rarely eat because they're bland, like cottage pie, steak & kidney pudding, stews etc. People eat those at home because they're cheap, easy and we know how to make them because our parents made them. If you were to visit however, you'd find our restaurants have mostly modern dishes just like your own restaurants and they're very diverse. Even old pubs sell curries / burgers / ribs etc. It's so expensive and competitive out there that the food is mostly excellent now. I will however say our sweets / chocolates / breads and cream cakes are far better than yours (assuming you're american). Please try those lol
Proper old school grub and genuine real people 👍👍👍
Cities these days: Kill tradition for money
What a joke
I'm British and I visited a pie and mash shop recently in Poplar. It tasted awful and I am not surprised they're on their way out
I really miss my childhood days and pie and mash 😔
It’s sad how much things have changed in London. There’s no cockneys living in earshot of the Bow bells anymore. Barely any pie & Mash shops left in London as it is. In fact there’s probably more pie & mash shops in Kent and Essex than there are in London now.
Minorities move in, whites move to the suburbs/towns/countryside. Soon we'll have no place to run, though.
My mother in law was born in silver Town she used to take my self and my two children to a pie mash jellied eel shop woolwich Market in the 70s
I'd love to have this meal, looks absolutely delicious. Cheers from across the pond.
Looks disgusting 🤢
@m3gAnac0nda It tastes great, don't knock it till you try it.
They ultimately closed this location at the end of April 2019, however in September 2019 they then announced a new shop to open in the same area.
oh really? how is that possible
What, another pie and mash shop?
It’s the rent then, same as in Canada, overvalued land in all the Empire.
same in toronto, rents skyrocketing businesses pushed out
Im glad i came across this. I noticed a huge huge buy up of old properties for rennovations into new luxury housing. And i have never been to a city where i have seen so many apartment construction projects.
The entire British empire is going up with the USA and non British countries staying low, it’s a USA plot I’m sure
Aw I saw this on Great Big Story. Kind of sad it no longer exists.
As someone who's Nan used to take to Kellys down Roman Road, it's something we've been seeing for years, Cookes became a bloomin' Japanese Restaurant on Sundays a few years back, a good signaller toward the downfall of these establishments.
Kelly's is still open...
People actually blaming immigrants for old school shops losing popularity 🤣
Ironically these shops were opened by Irish and Italian immigrants ~150 years ago
Master Bob, you are a JERK!
But it's working class Londoners keep the place patronised..!not the Italians
@Félim McAuley not with Southern lreland
@Félim McAuley Not for long.
I've been in there with my old man bloody delicious best pie and mash in britain sad they are closing down such a sentimental pub/restaurant 😢
they wont be happy until all the working class London culture is destroyed. all in the name of Money and greed. how sad.
bob bushill. The rates go up because to taxes, taxes in England are high to pay for welfare and the nhs.
This is happening because of socialism , not capitalism
increased rates comes from increased property value which comes from increased cash flow which comes from people with enough money to leverage way the rates are charged and no doubt the land lord was hoping they would leave. keep blaming poor people all you want this is capitalism 101
Bob I totally agree working class culture is going if not already gone how sad such a shame
The government of the last 8 years is Socialist ? Stop talking out your arse .
Most foreigners can probably write better English than you , with your sad delusional pseudonym.
just go to the rural areas to enjoy some. i love mashed potatoes pie and jellied eel.
1:14 they interviews Jason statham
lmao 😂 😂😂😂😂😂
Mash and Pie is a calories bomb for the the average Londoner. But Mash and Pie was traditionally enjoyed by hard workers of East London who were burning many thousands calories each working day.
It's not really very high calorie. The mash is more or less just potato. No cream , butter or milk, the pies are smallish by modern standards. These are 19th century portions. Londoners have been eating pie and mash for a couple of hundred years, and for most of that time-frame were not generally overweight at all. Actually, Londoners are relatively skinny even today compared with the rest of the country.
Martin Cleary Thanks for the reply
@@MrBlaxjax I think the main selling point was that it was served quick and it was relatively cheap, even for the working class.
That makes sense.....
Been a sandwich shop in Belgravia for years, a street down from the embassies, which is frequented by embassy staff and diplomats daily, and just as many tradies. Was forced to move right out of central london by soaring prices despite being packed all day.
Once these places go, they are gone for good.
piper.spirit it’s a shame... but I’d say they are all into couscous now.. and food served on a slate lol 😆
@@sarahbrennan1342 Nothing ever lasts forever.
piper.spirit I know... it lasted a good while though... I remember the indoor market there... use to be brilliant ❤️
The recipes can still be kept, so it's not like people won't be able to make these dishes on their own.
I'm glad I tried this as traditional dish nearly dead
That's really a shame when a business that's been around for so long needs to close because of rising taxes and stuff.
Tradition will always be with us I had pie and mash last always eaten it always will
I am asian Pakistani British born and bred and it hurts me to see such places disappear,
Tariq Mahmood i feel the loss! I’m Dutch born Vietnamese and there are many stores in my old town where I used to live in that are turning into hipster restaurants. I don’t feel that Dutch spirit in my town anymore
married at the town hall, straight to manzes for the meal.
F. Cooke
And straight to the shitter
I love pie and mash.
It is hard for them to compete when you have cheap chinese, indian, italian and middle eastern food all over london now that just taste better
GUYS ITS STILL OPEN!!!!!
That’s wonderful news
that one women was like its bit bland did u really need to say that on tv 😂
Can there be update on the pie shop, was going to go eat there on my trip for the British GP. But if it’s not there might just skip the area
It would be a great idea if the shop came out to Bromley in Kent! Pie and mash is getting popular in the suburbs
Bromley is a ghetto
So sad what they have done to London a complete betrayal
Feel sorry for the olders cause that’s their culture. But do you really see the new generation and young people eating pie and mash
@@ttam9205 yeah happly nothing beats good old grub London is being destroyed to be replaced by chains of food and coffee shops and glass faced buildings London is truly loosing its charm its quirks what made London London now sadly we're just turning into a yuppie boring playground where everything costs a fortune
American here, pie and mash is unheard of in my life and I now crave it
*adds eating pie and mash to bucket list*
@@timmy00264 Letting in hordes of middle easterners, whom mostly being young men who want nothing more but to ravage English women and kill their countrymen in the name of their religion as also part of it.
@@WolffenBreon I can tell you right now it isn't middle easterners killing of these businesses
Trash just blows around in the wind on the street and nobody is appalled?
It’s a market! There’s always cardboard and pieces of Fresh vegetables blowing about!
There's still a pie & mash shop up the Roman Road, as a matter of fact there are a few still around...
This place still open?
The government should be trying to help places like this, not try and shut them down
Its called "capitalism" what are you, a commie?
More needs to be done to help small businesses. Londoners don't want all our streets to have a Starbucks and Tesco Extra ☹️
It’s okay ull have Nigeria express and curry land
@@bansnabs5523That sounds like a good time
@@bansnabs5523sounds far better tbh
@@fn_flashy9101 I bet u would like a poo vindaloo....there have been more than a few documented cases of this happening...mmmmmmm diversity!
@@staggeringdeath8479 Enjoy your boiled cabbage 😂
They should keep it going!
16 November 2017, I was in that Pie & Mash shop..The large woman behind the counter served me, she told me it's not closing down now....Is it closed or open now?
Vince Ramone I was in there in April 2018. It was open; however, they were sold out of jellied eels.
@@doctorsartorius Surely that can't be a bad thing?
hmmm... In Canada they would be able to apply for a "Cultural Grant" or apply for some funding at the municipal (Town/City) level to keep the restaurant in operation does such a thing not exist in the UK?
SirXavior
Yes but not for the English i’m afraid.
The main problem is our councils are run by foreigners/Africans!! They want our heritage torn down it's happening to our old pubs and our Catholic churches are being rented out to Africans and even removing the statues of st. Mary ,this is sickening,it's the government's fault.
Why don't the old codgers sell off their multi-million pound discounted council houses and save the shop 🙄 bloody boomers.
I wonder if this video had any affect on the shops closing
Grant loved it
what a shame. im Indian but pie and mash is my fave. this place should be protected as a British heritage establishment. lf l ever come to uk i would definitely want to eat here :'( Britain is killing off its own culture.
Imagine walking in there with a Scottish £20 note
Aslong as there's some to say "I think you'll find that's legal tender" all is good.
@@Matt19matt19 I'm not Spanish
Turns out it's still open..
What a shame daz to see great eateries close down especially from our parents era's and ours what a very sad ending all the people I know and grew up with and loved have since passed away great actors and actresses of our time things have changed massive style over just a few years and unfortunately you can not replicate the great past so sad I am so glad I grew up in the respected and hard working years 😢 what a shame
It’s a bloody disgrace they have to close down because of business rates
We had to leave our Pub for the same reason the council wanted 52000 a year and yet our street 's are covered in liter because they say they don't have the money to employ enough street cleaners.
So where is that money going ?
Poverty ruins a neighborhood, and so does rich folk.
i know i’m old ❤️
it started with the Boleyn ..
Because of this I went Sainsburys and bought chicken n ham pie n steak pie n mash for dinner tonight lol
London has become too expensive. It was bound to effect old skool businesses. Kind of a shame.
Good old English traditions being deleted by High street premises taxes ,inflated by private land owners and trendy culture changes.
Many shops are selling online so we will see further demise of high street shops and more closures of eateries.
You can’t really sell this type of business online,I suppose you could to a degree, but people like the cafe atmosphere of eating out .
This country has changed beyond recognition in the last 30 yrs..and certainly not for the better.
It’s sad only the elders have sweet memories of a true traditional culture...much will become a mind museum .
The new generations will live in their bubble wrapped ,force fed ,cosmopolitan dystopia.
Poor things.
This makes me bloody hungry
So very sad 😔 for smaller businesses in Britain.
This is my first time having a pie 😂😂😂
i remember my first pie
I've been there just because I heard they had been there for so long. Honestly, the food tastes like cardboard. Longevity does not mean it's good.
I remember this place....great decor and lovely pie but only 1 choice and mash was only so so...no matter what you said the liquor overflowed on your plate - no gravy. No fridge... the cans were in a cold water wooden tub and generally the staff weren't that polite. The clientele were generally pretty old. Where as check out the pie and mash shop in Exmouth Market... the difference is marked and the place is packed out.
I recall the one in Exmouth Market closing decades ago. Are saying another has opened there? I haven't been up there since 2019, so wouldn't know. Are eels on the menu?
There's hardly any pie and mash gaffs left in London. It's bloody sad to see 'em all go- (even though I could take or leave the stuff, meself!)
"Oh well I was recommended by someone to come here and I really enjoyed it". Why did you finish with half of it left on your plate then?
Her pie had been mashed too many times. RIP , end of an era.
David Twydell has a great boat race for a market trader. Fair play.
Is it closed now?
Hope that changed
Yes it's closed. But the company still exists elsewhere. They are still in Islington serving in a pub. Well they were pre covid
To be replaced by a bookies no doubt.
That woman at the end lol who puts vinegar on mash.. #custom not wanted
fpv scaff Erm... everyone?? The Pie n Mash shops basically pioneered chilli vinegar.
+pgI0897 It comes with liquor gravy you dont put vinegar on it...
eraldorh I can assure I do. Chilli vinegar and lots of it mucker.
If you’re in a pie n mash shop and they don’t have a bottle of chilli vinegar on every bench, it ain’t a pie n mash shop.
I've got to agree with pgl0897, pie and mash with chilli vinegar is a classic
Neither do the brits
Any business that becomes part of a the local history should be saved by the gov’t. These establishments contribute to the character of a community
What character no one was eating there aside from the elderly it was a dying business? you don't pour taxes into a place to make it a historical landmark just because it's old it actually needs to be important.
I was honestly just talking about going there
I'm living proof that pie & mash ain't fattening, as a schoolboy in Poplar I 'ad it every day, double on Friday after games, except Monday when it was shut. I weighed in about seven & 'alf stone back then. thirty five years later when I only have it occasionally I weigh nearer twelve stone!!
start serving some chicken kormas and very spicy vindaloo luv, the English luv em!!!
Truth Opinion
There Ain’t no English left.
Was that Ten Hag?
We miss you
45% tax? Bloody mafia
_No, powerful Arabs and other overseas investors._
Don’t y’all have laws that protect historic sites or landmarks? Can’t y’all just do that? Declare it a landmark or a historic site.
It's a pie and mash shop. In order to be considered a historical landmark I'd imagine you need more than just having been there for a really long time as a reason. it's not even like anything important ever happen there it's just a pie and mash shop and an old one that nobody who is an already collecting on their social security eats at so why on Earth would anyone want to put their tax dollars into a restaurant that isn't even serving the majority of people in the area.
I'm from the midlands so grew up on pukka pies from the chippy.. Are these pies the same
Most pie mash places make their own pies. Most chippies just buy them wholesale.
Sad to see tradition goes, especially if it food u cant find any shop that use the original recipe these days
Don't get why business or restaurant that are older than 20 year's don't get lower taxes .
Why should they? To create a barrier against new arrivals? That would probably be illegal...