Wing Chun Beddar Generation - MASTER COMPILATION!!!

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  • čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
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    Réalisation vidéo : Stéphane Serror
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Komentáře • 117

  • @TheGostedog
    @TheGostedog Před 13 lety

    Tous simplement magnifique, les anciens seraient fiers de vous,
    Plus que d'avoir compris le principe du style vous l'avez fait évoluer voir transcender
    Et comme Yip Man Bruce Lee ou William Cheung, vous contribuez aujourd'hui Didier Beddar et Stéphane Serror et Mohamed Targuisti à l'enrichissement du wing chun par le regard et le travail de recherche constant des arts martiaux.
    Une nouvelle génération est en route, la liste est long......

  • @ropx30
    @ropx30 Před 12 lety

    Didier Beddar's video are always good, he seems to be a great teacher. I practice Karate but i love wing chun and China!

  • @djslimm74
    @djslimm74 Před 12 lety

    This is one of the best Wing Chun videos i've seen on CZcams.....excellent

  • @matreyia
    @matreyia Před 11 lety

    The reason YT videos of training look good is because everyone is practicing established patterns. So it is inevitable that the patterns will intersect & make it look easy to defend/attack. But against uncooperative/skilled persons, it is very hard to make things work the way we do them in class. Best practice is to train the patterns but not rely on them as much as training "listening energy" - the skill of being neutral not trying to predict opponent moves. Feel, rather than predict.

  • @Papanjbt
    @Papanjbt Před 11 lety +1

    the first song is Wax tailor - Ungodly fruit

  • @Ronnock
    @Ronnock Před 13 lety

    Beautiful post. I wish I could train with y'all. I love WC, Boxing, and Judo right now. My 3 favorite arts at the moment--that and I've been dabbling in KFM, and this proprietary system called Academy of Combative Warrior Arts. Keep the traditional stuff alive, but don't be dissuaded from the modern consolidations I always say. Peace.

  • @rvlouro
    @rvlouro Před 11 lety +1

    The first song is Ungodly fruit - Wax Tailor

  • @Cakardic
    @Cakardic Před 11 lety

    i agree... many wing chunners learn to chase hands (like 95% of them) through wrong chi sao and stuff like that.. anyways, the one thing that matters most is: train as you fight, and fight as you train... if the system a person trains doesnt allow this concept, it will fail in a real fight

  • @x3llence
    @x3llence Před 11 lety +1

    Hey Stephane, great video, keep it coming please!

  • @JHONALLICEVA
    @JHONALLICEVA Před 4 lety +1

    Superb!

  • @Cakardic
    @Cakardic Před 11 lety

    i am not saying you can not use the movements in a fight.. i am saying that you dont use them in that particular order... like you said, the movements can be linked together in many ways.. the order of movements for the dummy is simply to make all the different moves into 1 form, so that you can train it more easily. And yes, you are correct about speed and response being 2 different things...

  • @DxModel219
    @DxModel219 Před 11 lety

    I agree, Squaring up and not being linear is a few things to put you in a better position. You bring up 45 degree angle, while this is better than linear approach.. this is not the only thing. When you stick to them like glue, you have to be able to shift your energy at all degrees without giving up your stance/position. Just imagine someone who's body is 2 inch away, putting pressure at all angles. you try to move away, he sticks to you and pressure.. you push back than wack you get hit!

  • @bmoissenet
    @bmoissenet Před 13 lety

    Super vidéo, bravo ! et (toujours) belle musique qui l'accompagne !
    et ça donne envie ! ;-)
    Bertrand

    • @Neo-dr5rz
      @Neo-dr5rz Před 5 lety

      Et à Lille aucun élève de Beddar ? Dommage qu'on ne peut en bénéficier :(

  • @dpthinker
    @dpthinker Před 12 lety

    really cool video, like the mix with boxing methods

  • @DxModel219
    @DxModel219 Před 12 lety

    This is actually Too much arm and hands. They may seem relaxed because they are far apart... but get closer, pressure/control their stance and they will no longer be relaxed. The right way of wing chun is when you are just inches from your opponent and when you occupy their space. Hands and arms comes last. Control and Position comes first.

  • @joesashiify
    @joesashiify Před 11 lety

    Didier Beddar, 9th Generation huh? I can believe that!

  • @jojo-zl5et
    @jojo-zl5et Před 9 lety +2

    dans les art martiaux en générale il y a 4 point importent l équilibre la vitesse le déplacement et avoir conscience de chaque frappe que l on fait

  • @jcamfresh1
    @jcamfresh1 Před 12 lety

    One must remember that
    bl was a wingchun student most of the foundational elements of Jeet kune do are wingchun principles and movements. Jeet kune do is not a style it was bl personal combat expression!! He did not want to create a so call style bl own words!! all wing chun lineages teach 1 inch punch and palms as well as close quarter combat!

  • @sectionwhitedeath
    @sectionwhitedeath Před 12 lety

    Very nice i especially like what i would call a "goose neck" you did at 3:02 - 3:03.

  • @DxModel219
    @DxModel219 Před 11 lety

    yup agree. position position position. a lot of wing chunners don't know this. They play with hands all day but they are out of positions. I've moved in and occupy their space all the time and they just fall over.

  • @JeetKuneDoBelgrade
    @JeetKuneDoBelgrade Před 11 lety

    I like Beddar's Wing Chun very much,allthough i am not a fan of Cheung's Kung Fu,Didier Beddar seems to have brought it on another level.

  • @ANGELSGYMSINGH
    @ANGELSGYMSINGH Před 12 lety

    GREAT RESPECT FOR YOUR TRAINING

  • @akimchun3402
    @akimchun3402 Před 5 lety +1

    A bientôt 😉😊

  • @milj68
    @milj68 Před 10 lety +1

    Video was great! Sound track was real cool. Kinda done wit the same old Ip Man theme music everyone tends to use(no disrespect to Ip Man). This was Hip and electric like the Sifu's and Master's in this video. Great technique Great movement Great video!

  • @dorival19701
    @dorival19701 Před 11 lety +1

    beddar is very good

  • @aroune30
    @aroune30 Před 11 lety

    Great video

  • @markingflash
    @markingflash Před 11 lety

    That's a good observation there matreyia, i totally agree. I think most if not all should spa, that way everyone can get a feel for what its like to almost be fighting with a uncooperative person. Just a vague prediction but i'd say about a good 70-85% schools out there have removed their sparring or never had it and just rely on set training patterns, leaving their students training unrealistically.

  • @Cakardic
    @Cakardic Před 11 lety +1

    /watch?v=rZ9aNHr92LE , somewhere in the middle of the video you will see Bayer do the dummy form... you will see there is a small pause between each movement but the individual moves themselves can be performed as hard and fast as you want.. if you're going to chainlink everything lightning fast, the body will not be able to keep up with the speed of the hands because of the difference in size and mass

  • @matreyia
    @matreyia Před 11 lety

    Be advised, no matter how fast your hands be, you cannot keep up with the other person's hands via speed or eye perception. Once that person moves his hands to attack, it takes your eyes a fraction of a second to see, then it must deliberate, then estimate the attack, think of a defense, initiate the defense, etc...if you train to chase hands, you will fail most of the time. With luck you will win, but we do not want to rely on luck.
    The body/center source should be your focus. Not hands.

  • @Cakardic
    @Cakardic Před 11 lety

    part 2: the reason for this is that when u followup all those movements very fast on the dummy, body synchronization will not be optimal.. the hands move way way way faster than the body... his hands move at lightning speed with the dummy, but the body can never keep up.. so its better to perfect body synchronization on the dummy and train your speed with a partner... but, nice video anyways!

  • @atanta691
    @atanta691 Před 11 lety +1

    superbe !

  • @Cakardic
    @Cakardic Před 11 lety +1

    so if youre gonna do everything lightning speed with no little pauses, you are actually training your body to move hands and body seperately... dummy focus should be on full body synchronization... when you punch, the whole body should perform the punch.. not just the hands... with every movement it must come from the complete body... chainlinking everything lightning speed hands will only train your body wrong

  • @NexwayMedia
    @NexwayMedia Před 8 lety +1

    Very Impressive!

  • @academie_wingchun_toulouse

    Victor Wooten : yinnin' and yangin'. Guitar genious:)!

  • @Cakardic
    @Cakardic Před 11 lety

    position is probably the most important of all... if position is not correct, things will not work... switching from punch to bong sao will lose your balance or give opening to opponent if position is not correct.. actually.. almost everything will fail is position is not correct..

  • @DxModel219
    @DxModel219 Před 11 lety

    well said. My teacher always says "energy out, always". You will feel when they withdraw and if your energy is out, it will hit automatically.

  • @Cakardic
    @Cakardic Před 11 lety

    the thing is.. what i have noticed.. from myself, my teachers and videos on youtube... when they chainlink all the movements on the dummy real fast.. body synchronization diminishes.. this is natural because your arms have maybe 5 kilograms while your body has 70 kilograms... so doing the dummy with lightning fast hands will make it so that the rest of the body can not fully support the hand movement

  • @FeziB
    @FeziB Před 12 lety

    I respect Wing Chun as the purest street fighting martial art but how do you deal with specialised grapplers?

  • @Pak_Sung_Bo
    @Pak_Sung_Bo Před 12 lety

    thank u guys..great vid..

  • @Gronked
    @Gronked Před 12 lety

    Nice video, thanks for posting

  • @Cakardic
    @Cakardic Před 11 lety

    i think you understand me wrong.. i am not saying you should perform the movements slowly.. iam saying that you shouldnt followup all the movements very fast but each individual movement can be performed with max power in order to train hard and toughen the bones and the skin and everything... so each move should be hard and fast but you shouldnt chainlink all the movement with full speed.. take a look at how Philipp Bayer does the dummy form.. thats the correct way

  • @Shaktidej
    @Shaktidej Před 11 lety

    Speaking of MMA, remids me of an episode of the Utilmate Fighter where the guest start is a french guy who learnt kickboxing up there in thailand with real dedication. The guy gets to the gym, weighs about half of everybody there, but each time he hits someone from the cast, the poor guy immediately drops in pain... I for one believe that Wing Chun can be effective, and I'd rather not have an argument with Sifu RIIS or Sifu Beddar.

  • @NuKeSiDee
    @NuKeSiDee Před 12 lety

    You show Bruce Lee when you talk about Wing Chun? The Video from Long Beach 1967 is not Wing Chun its the own style of Bruce its called Jeet Kune Do. It was a demonstration of HIS style

  • @ROOTSOFCOMBAT2
    @ROOTSOFCOMBAT2 Před 12 lety

    two point. You shouldnt be fighting a specilized grappler on the street. True trainied powerful martial artists dont fight with each other unless its competion, because martial artists at that skill level dont initiate a fight so two of them together equals no fight. But taking that aside asuming we are in this situation the wing chun way is to hit when you can and use leverage to escape. How well it works is dependent on how much and how hard you train it and your luck on that paticular day

  • @Cakardic
    @Cakardic Před 11 lety

    hehehe exactly.. the individual moves themselves can be done fast but there has to be a pause between each move.... when following up all the movements so fast, you are actually training your body and hands seperately instead of synchronizing body movement with arms.. check this vid for the correct way: /watch?v=rZ9aNHr92LE

  • @Cakardic
    @Cakardic Před 11 lety

    hehe yep.. a true master can overwhelm you easily with good positioning... its like playing lego.. if the first move is bad allready, the rest will be even worse... but if you perform the first move correctly with good positioning aswell you will see that it automatically allows to switch more easy to 2nd move

  • @alfonsoceja3567
    @alfonsoceja3567 Před 11 lety +1

    Pefecto el arebol de masters, sifus.

  • @richardma3089
    @richardma3089 Před 11 lety

    very good channel! thanks for sharing~ :)

  • @Cakardic
    @Cakardic Před 11 lety

    Philipp Bayer has indeed learned the whole thing from Grandmaster Wong Shun Leung

  • @mannixchan1
    @mannixchan1 Před 9 lety +1

    good master

  • @souetrejeremy
    @souetrejeremy Před 11 lety

    "Bass" Genius ^^

  • @academie_wingchun_toulouse

    YES!!!! you understand the difference ^^!

  • @Ankoku15
    @Ankoku15 Před 12 lety

    Why is Ho Kam Ming never mentioned in any of the lineages? His falling out with Ip Chun and the WCF must have been pretty serious :\

  • @dorival19701
    @dorival19701 Před 11 lety +1

    perfect

  • @zourguiseddik1685
    @zourguiseddik1685 Před 12 lety

    great

  • @season7legend
    @season7legend Před 9 lety +1

    je voudrais le titre du 1er song svp

  • @matreyia
    @matreyia Před 11 lety

    I know of Beyer. He does things a little different than the way I do. If you would like I can send you a private link to one of my dummy sessions. Leung Sheung method. I only ask that you not download or post it anywhere.

  • @Neo-dr5rz
    @Neo-dr5rz Před 5 lety +1

    Et à Lille aucun élève de Beddar ? :(

  • @Cakardic
    @Cakardic Před 11 lety

    well.. look... the dummy form is a form of movements in a particular order... The order of movements is not a real order of performing the moves in a fight or sparring... so chainlinking the movements superfast will probably only interupt your structure and technique... a dummy also doesnt hit back, so training your speed is also mostly done with a partner because he responds to what you do, and then you have to respond back.. response is speed... not simply fast hands of dummy training

  • @MariuszWeddzel
    @MariuszWeddzel Před 13 lety

    super clip - pozdrowienia z polski .... ;)

  • @rockijiji
    @rockijiji Před 12 lety

    respect!!

  • @souetrejeremy
    @souetrejeremy Před 11 lety

    Well, MMA fans keep talking about what a "real fight" is, forgetting than a "real fight" would actually be a "deady fight" -_-'

  • @egypthawk
    @egypthawk Před 12 lety

    nice video! i would realy like to know the name of the second song!! could any body please tell me the name?!?!?! :-)

  • @ShawnBlunt
    @ShawnBlunt Před 12 lety

    What is the name of the first song please.

  • @PappyMandarine
    @PappyMandarine Před 12 lety

    Can somebody make a list of the tracklist used in this video ? Thanks in advance guys !

  • @spildaleidodomo
    @spildaleidodomo Před 12 lety

    nice!

  • @MrSakan34
    @MrSakan34 Před 12 lety

    wing chun ftw

  • @1aglot
    @1aglot Před 12 lety

    what is the first song please ?

  • @Timonsaylor
    @Timonsaylor Před 11 lety +1

    I'll be honest with you.. I don't agree with how Bruce saw Wing Chun. He was physically incredible, yes.. But through a technical standpoint, I don't think his WC was anywhere near what it could have been. Btw, he did do Chi Sao, hence why Chi Sao is used in what is taught under the name "Jeet Kune Do." The fight with Wong Jack Man in my eyes showed that his fighting ability was great... but his self-restraint was poor. He continued to pummel his opponent after he had surrendered several times.

  • @obscure323
    @obscure323 Před 12 lety

    You hit them. If I am only specialized in grappling, I have to get a hold of you to work my art and do damage. If I get in, grab you, and I'm about to set my technique, but you knock me the FUCK out, how can I hurt you? I know this is a VERY simplified explanation as knocking someone out is not that easy if they are trained, but I'm sure you get my point.

  • @ShawnBlunt
    @ShawnBlunt Před 12 lety

    whats the first song called

  • @elishabrown9498
    @elishabrown9498 Před 9 lety +1

    that is good wing chung and karate and boxing

  • @adambakli4863
    @adambakli4863 Před 11 lety

    bon wing chun

  • @federico.ranieri9902
    @federico.ranieri9902 Před 13 lety

    @mrruben1030 How do you know there is no power?

  • @buzifalus
    @buzifalus Před 12 lety

    where's the music from?

  • @wuxia7923
    @wuxia7923 Před 8 lety +2

    1:30 Pascal le grand frère ?!

  • @Cakardic
    @Cakardic Před 11 lety

    i'd love to see it. and no ofcourse i will not

  • @elbagrau
    @elbagrau Před 11 lety

    He looks very much like Zlatan Ibrahimovic.
    Anyone else ?

  • @souetrejeremy
    @souetrejeremy Před 11 lety

    ... and so is the road :)

  • @EvanTateMusic
    @EvanTateMusic Před 12 lety

    At 6:14 Grandmaster Alan Lee! Sifu!

  • @POC777
    @POC777 Před 12 lety

    Pak Sao...Chi Sao..Fok Sao

  • @TheGujan33
    @TheGujan33 Před 12 lety

    shi sau sans réelle pression... Du coup plein de trous... = jeu de vitesse avec un partenaire qui fait office de mook jong... Arf

  • @Cakardic
    @Cakardic Před 11 lety

    this video is pretty nice but what is bugging me is the speed he does the dummy form... its not correct and should never be trained like that... it looks cool tho and many people will prefer it like that but its wrong imo.. if u wanna train speed, do it with a partner who reacts to everything u do.. dummy is for perfecting angles, body structure, force training, synchronizing your body as one...

  • @alwayaiminghigh
    @alwayaiminghigh Před 12 lety

    because, wing chun has "ground defence" but BJJ is the superior art on the floor (even if it does suck when NOT on the floor). There are weaknesses and advantages in every style, and if you think that yours is superior to all, then you are no better than all the MMA people that come on to WC clips and say that it's useless in a real fight blah blah blah.

  • @academie_wingchun_toulouse

    @branguzzler just come to our school and we will see who is the mc donald :)

  • @insignificunnt
    @insignificunnt Před 11 lety

    as good as they are as kung fu practitioners as they may be... this just isnt effective against someone who can wrestle you to the ground and punch you in the face while you are on your back

  • @ejb2184
    @ejb2184 Před 12 lety

    carlson garice just open a gym by me

  • @DualFrodo
    @DualFrodo Před 12 lety

    Don't like to sound like an idiot but who is that speaking at the beggining?

  • @elbagrau
    @elbagrau Před 11 lety

    My thaughts exactly :D

  • @matreyia
    @matreyia Před 11 lety

    Good luck trying to convince these dummy speed freaks that the dummy is not for banging away at light speed. I wonder how many of them ask themselves.."Hmmm, if the dummy does not move, then why am I trying to outspeed it as if it were trying to attack me or defend against my attacks?"
    Answer: None of them ask this. They just keep making themselves feel mighty good about hitting that dummy. Meanwhile, they ignore posture, pressure from the dummy bleeding into their posture, position etc...

  • @souetrejeremy
    @souetrejeremy Před 11 lety

    If you listen to MMA fans, Ali (among others) wasn't even "really" fighting... if even he didn't "really" fight, who did :/ ?

  • @user-vc4jb5tc7v
    @user-vc4jb5tc7v Před 5 lety +1

    中國功夫
    由外國人發揚光大了
    反而比中國人強
    實戰與各種用法
    外國人研究比較透徹

  • @hanifahintania9077
    @hanifahintania9077 Před 11 lety

    graet music hahaha

  • @fiir
    @fiir Před 12 lety

    Grappling is useless when you take away the rules. Its a sport and not meant for the street. Hit them in their vital areas groin, throat eyes ears ect... evan bitting. Once you do that, grappling is ineffective. If you wish to learn a real street combative art you need to look up Commando Krav Maga!

  • @academie_wingchun_toulouse

    stop to watch too much war movie on tv my friend, you become paranoiac!!! :D

  • @ralfigs
    @ralfigs Před 11 lety

    why can't you stand on your own? why do you use bruce lee?you have nothing to do with bruce lee and jkd. make your own mark and stop using bruce

  • @howzaboutugojumpbro3827
    @howzaboutugojumpbro3827 Před 9 lety +1

    Speed: 10
    Skill: 10 (wing chun) 4 (boxing) 1 (grappling) 1 (kicking)
    Power: 3
    Like many specialists, awesome skills in the specialty. Ridiculous speed. Distinct lack of power though... Very Chinese in approach.

    • @hugomorris791
      @hugomorris791 Před 9 lety

      +Howza Boutugo Jumpbro he can make up for the power in speed though

    • @howzaboutugojumpbro3827
      @howzaboutugojumpbro3827 Před 9 lety

      +Hugo Morris Not really. The power rating is taking his speed into account. Ten blows at 1/10th of the power of a knockout blow will not cause a knockout, however accuracy (which he appears to have, although this is hard to really gauge without seeing it under real pressure) can make up for this, as not all weak points require a particularly powerful strike to affect.

    • @hugomorris791
      @hugomorris791 Před 8 lety

      +Howza Boutugo Jumpbro true to be honest though we can't really see how powerful his strikes are in this video when he is kicking the punching bag to me it looked really heavy and there was a guy holding it for him so we don't know how powerful his strikes are +Yim Wing Chun are there any videos showing how powerful he can hit?

    • @howzaboutugojumpbro3827
      @howzaboutugojumpbro3827 Před 8 lety

      +Hugo Morris His kicks are garbage tbh - stepping-side pushes instead of snaps at the end, round-kick completely forgets arm defense in favour of goofy "power" mechanics. It would appear as if he was doing technical practice, but I think there is a reason that there is little footage of this guy kicking... Insofar as the bag is concerned that one is about a small-medium size heavy-bag and probably looks bigger because of the diminutive size of the guys in the clip. Wing chun strikes are not designed for maximum power, as the style emphasises a blitz strategy involving control of the centreline space - typically seeking to avoid/redirect/trap an attempted strike and then overwhelm the opponent with a flurry. To clarify - I am sure that he hits quite hard for someone of his size, however, the rating is based on possible striking power across all sizes, and there is no chance his power even approaches that of an elite heavyweight. I really would like to see some Wing Chun videos with larger/athletic/coordinated people in them for once, as the theory does appear sound, but I only ever see unco/skinny/out-of-shape goofballs in the clips.

    • @hugomorris791
      @hugomorris791 Před 8 lety

      +Howza Boutugo Jumpbro true but wouldn't say there out of shape or goofballs they just have there own style and that's fine.

  • @DxModel219
    @DxModel219 Před 12 lety

    LOL another slap hands patty cake Wing Chun. Sorry but this is not the right way of Wing Chun.

  • @masteroshan
    @masteroshan Před 10 lety

    This is NOT win chun.

    • @RayanSoul
      @RayanSoul Před 10 lety

      i think its ving chun or something of them..

    • @nitrouspurge
      @nitrouspurge Před 10 lety +3

      His foundation is wing chun, fusing it with other styles. His base martial arts is wing chun but he's fused it with other styles making it effective. It's not entirely PURE wing chun, but it does have wing chun techniques in it.

    • @academie_wingchun_toulouse
      @academie_wingchun_toulouse  Před rokem

      Exactly