Nobody is telling young artists this so I will
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- čas přidán 30. 04. 2024
- Making art that causes an emotional response in the viewer is what I want to do. That takes time and learning and one of the BEST ways to learn to do this is just to put the work out there and observe the response. I believe that negative responses or the lack of any response at all is a GOOD THING if mastery of a craft is really what you’re seeking. Take the feedback, learn from it… and be thankful for it. Not bitter. God bless! ✌🏻
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but the algorythm is a real thing. i followed plenty of artist where really skillfull people barely get views while some literall doodles get more attention.does it mean one is better then the other...i dont think so.
Indeed. The algorithm IS a real thing. I agree. But, in most cases, you can still see how many people have viewed your work versus how many have had some reaction to it. That alone is an invaluable tool for artists who who really want honest feedback regardless of the algorithm. That’s my opinion anyway 😊
Just have this in mind... the algorithm is not there for *your* benefit.
I think the main reason why the algorythm picks up/spreads certain art videos is because the "meme" template get a ton more interaction compared to legitimate pieces. A lot of people will just take a quick glance at something truly remarkable and just say "pretty" before liking and continuing to scroll. With doodles and meme formats, people (especially children) are much more likely to comment/search through their history to see I the artist has made other funny videos. Algorythm really screws serious artists (especially animators) because their goal is to maximize view time/interaction (extra ad revenue) and not boost videos that won't earn them money. They prioritize consistent and frequent uploads as well; forcing artists to go to other platforms to be properly monetized for their work.
The algorithm exists to make social media and websites money. It is unhelpful to artists we often have to fight it.
It isn’t your friend and you can’t based your worth on it. You’ll kill your passion for art.
Honestly my advice for younger artists would be not to make art for the sole purpose of putting it out there, but rather because you want to make art. Sure, you can post it as well, but as someone whos been there done that I know not of any faster recipe for burnout and just overall killing the joy and fun of it alltogether than making art solely to post for recognition.
You don't *HAVE* to make something extraordinary, certainly not every piece. You can make art for you. Make art for fun, to destress, to explore concepts and ideas and to push your own limits! The rest will come later
I don't want to like your comment. I want to save it forever.
Especially the "...you'll never learn by avoiding it" part. That one hit right home!
I totally agree with you. I believe every creative should be making art for the love of it. And you quote, “make bad art”, is one of my all-time favorites. The idea there from Allie Sullberg is to achieve a mental state that is indifferent to whether or not what you create is a “success” or not. However, the point is not to make bad art, but to eventually find the free state of mind that is necessary to make GOOD art and the fearlessness required to learn through the inevitable failures you will suffer. So yes. I wholeheartedly agree with your statement. However, for those artists looking to illicit an emotional response from those that view their work, in the same way we tell them not to fear failure we should also be teaching them not to fear rejection as well. I believe resilience from such a scary thing is as necessary for young artists today as it is for young authors. For some reason the visual arts community tends to shame young artists for wanting approval from those who view their work but we don’t do this to authors or songwriters. Why do we do this to painters and drafts people? I guess I just believe we should be teach them resilience, not indifference.
TRUE!!!!
As someone with an anxiety disorder this advice is very helpful. Now that I have the guts to get started, I have to find a way to get my brain to stop screaming during the process 🥳🥳🥳🥳
@@auroralanimations4731 Idk if it's what you need, but something that helped me a lot was practicing sketching in pen! It gets you used to accepting imperfections and learning to work with them instead of against them! It helps your line confidence too which is always a bonus hahah.
Also, if you try and do quicker lower effort sketches more often instead of always focusing on larger ones, possibly it'd help focus less on the outcome of every single piece and more on the process :D It can be hard especially in the beginning to let go of those anxieties and pressure for sure, but you've got this! :]
People say theyr too shy to share work online….afraid of criticism. Me personally, at this point my only fear is indifference,
I think the biggest priority younger artists need is to have a good relationship with how they feel about their work. We obviously do create things to share with others, but none of that feedback will be as important as your own. The other feedback can be helpful, but you have to be very conscious about what it’s worth and decide for yourself what and what not to learn from
I agree with that
This should be said to every hobbyist, self-taught, and school-training artist out there.
Im glad you think so 😊🙏🏻 I wish had heard it as a young artist myself.
I found this video just before i was thinking to deactivate my art account... Guess it's time to appreciate everything and keep moving. Thanks.
Keep going! Keep growing 😊✌🏻
Keep going!
Don’t give up
hows your art account called?
I also think this applies to a lot of stuff. Nowadays too many people are taught to see critisism and think it's sole purpose is to offend you. With a lot of things, people can't handle critisism, because they don't even know it's critisism, they just see it as bullying. I think it's because people are being taught that negative feedback is inherently bad.
I dunno why people should stop and look at my art specifically. But it would be a waste not to put the creative output into something. Plus I like making people happy. Just recently finished an urgent commission for someone and they were ecstatic with each of the piece I finished. I was too. Reminded me why I don't look for a 9-5 job.
3 years ago I built my resistance by encouraging people to roast my drawing. I want them as honest as possible so I can learn faster.
Beautiful video!
Veteran comic book artist here. We sure see a lot of stuff. But 90% of art around ain't what I'm interested in. I don't care about "amazing well done stuff or extraordinary art". I care about themes and story genres but with specific stuff on it. I bet that happens to a lot of other folks too. Boom! There you go, you've found your niche. And if you can build an audience of 1,000 people, that's enough to support all sorts of creative projects. (Today I saw a Kickstarter animation project backed by 1,600 people. See? Even animation you can support with this amount of fans.).
We should focus on reaching people who are into the same stuff as us.
Beautiful message. At that exact moment I paused after compiling part of a text written to me before I was born. I intend to publish what is most sentimentally valuable to me and not let the message die along with the person who wrote it.
I’m glad you got something from it 😊
Interesting! Good food for thought. And good art, too. Thanks for creating :)
Thank you!
Gonna post a Hot Take:
While the message here is very valid and impactful, it was poorly executed.
We live in a world where there ARE truly beautiful pieces.. but they lack substance and story. Story is KING in art. I’ve seen SOOO many AMAZING artists who aren’t telling a story. It looks good, but that’s about it.
Why should someone stop to look at a new or “undiscovered” artist’s work? Because EVERYONE has their OWN story and because within every human being is a creative drive. Art is a SOCIAL outlet. Sometimes it’s just about meeting people and being creative together.
I think the Music, the tone, and the wording kind of missed the mark, but that’s just my take.
That being said, definitely gonna leave a like so that this spurs more conversation!
Yeah. I’m not exactly a wordsmith. 😆 Perhaps I will get better with my next video. Thanks for the feedback! ✌🏻
I never thought of that. Maybe I should do that, I was thinking about art that tells a story, art is not the only thing I’m doing but I never thought of this
love what you painted there, the colors, the vibe, really lovely!
Thank you!
firstly, something like this is said regularly. secondly, you can't simplify complex topics so much and put classical music on top to pretend that it makes sense
It makes perfect sense to me, I don't think it's as complicated as you're making it sound...
@@SnekOil It doesn't acknowledge or explain at all that there are many great artists out there but simply stay undiscovered due to the algorithm or other factors. This is basically "the American dream" ("you just have to work hard enough") applied to gaining a following as an artist & it's just as illogical. If it makes sense to you you don't know about or fail to see other facettes of the topic. The take is quite toxic to be honest making people put the blame only on themselves & self-conciousness is hindering creatives enough as is already.
Saw this video, and totally agree with you. I am looking forward to your future videos, so I subscribed. 👍
God bless you and your work.
Thank you for the encouragement! 😊
The algo exists and it does not exist for you. The algo exists for the audience and session/binge/watch time is all it cares about. Making entertainment that dulls the mind is the only way to appease this algorithm. Make your art entertaining in this fashion must become your number one goal if you want to succeed on this hellscape platform.
Absolutely zero cap.
Like another comment said, you shouldn't make art for recognition. You should make it for yourself, and the recognition can be a side benefit if you get lucky. You should have something where there isn't such an algorithm as your job, make art as your hobby.
What about those who hope to make art their career and pay bills with it? It should certainly matter what others think then, right? Not that it’s ALL that matters. But it SHOULD matter shouldn’t it? 🤔
Well, sounds like I'd better go make something extraordinary.
Go do it! I dare you 😊✌🏻
His words have me in tears, and the art is beautiful and heart renching but I don't understand why.
I’m so glad you got something from it 😊
Great video and reminder :) Beautiful artwork too! Love the lighting
Thank you! 🙏🏻
Despite the algorithm, I don't think
it's a coincidence that I found this video ❤
Very freeing advice ❤ Make something genuine, make something extraordinary
Thank you! This was a really helpful video, I honestly, in my opinion love criticism so much to the point I even ask for it just because I love seeing myself get better and better.
interesting when specific videos waltz into your life… I felt like I needed to hear this. i think often times judgment of art can also be based on elitism, that is to say, a lot of artist put their personal value on their skill, and art quickly goes from being something to enjoy and look at, to a personal critique of you whole being. I’ve had this happen to me in art classes, specifically from the side of my life drawing professor who made it a point to make everyone in the class cry or react in some intense way, as if to test their limits. I made it a point not to react, but i will say that teaching style really affected me. It made me personally believe that art was always made for others to see and not for the process of creating itself. I think theres a balance missing there, also because the process of creating is key to being able to convey your emotions onto a blank canvas.. i hope this makes sense, I went off on a tangent haha
Your painting is really nice.
I don't even care, I do it for myself, cuz it's fun and the idea of caring about anything else already exhausts my brain, I don't make life more complicated than it is, so I just keep on living, doing what I do and that's enough for me.
All these people on the internet fighting over dumb shit, wasting time and life away worrying about what people think, it won't produce a single good thing in your life.
I create, I post, if you like it, that's cool, if you don't, that's cool too, that's all, there's no judgement to be made, no resentment, not even happiness, it just is.
Certain bodies of work by an artist may garner tons of attention, while others don’t. I am all for getting feedback and using it, but the artist’s internal compass should be the guide to what they are creating.
“Why should anyone stop to look at your art”☝️🤓
Thank you man
This means alot
Absolutely correct!...
Thank you, I needed to hear this.
I’m glad to hear it 😊
Do art because you want to art.
I paint because I enjoy it. It warms my heart when people like what I do, but I recognize that it isn't for everyone. That's okay. I paint for myself. It makes me happy. No one else has to like what I paint. It's something I do when I feel like it.
If I could give anyone starting out some advice, I'd say do the art that makes you happy. Consider art as a journey. When I look back at the art I did years ago, it tells me where I was in life at that time. It shows me how I've grown since then.
I say all this as someone who paints as a hobby. I don't sell my work, nor do I post most of it online. I gift it to friends here and there. Most of my work is in the many racks that keep stacking up in my art room. Maybe one day I'll get around to cataloguing it all. But that seems like time I could spend painting, lol.
Thanks old man 🙏
Great message 🤗
Thank you! 😊
Recently started using a new social media where they have a rating system. It's super easy to find art on there, so I decided I would give some lengthy and generally positive comments on freshly posted art. Had a guy assume I was insulting them because I said their anatomy looked a little exaggerated. When I was really saying that while it looked exaggerated, it also was very well done and didn't look jarring. Gave them feedback for free and they took it as an insult. Unfortunately had the side effect of making me a little weary about giving folks positive analysis on their art
However, this video makes me wanna do that again! So I'm gonna continue giving feedback, regardless of the reactions I get
Can I ask what program you use to do this?
You could also ask if people want critique- sharing one's art is not an open invitation. It's unfortunate that they seemed to have misunderstood you but still. Alternatively, you could start off by saying that you'll give in-depth feedback, that they don't have to read it if they don't want to & that you're leaving it there for others to maybe learn from- though I think asking is more considerate.
I'm too selfish to make something for the world to see... I want to see what I did and be proud of it.
Hearing this after people gave ruined my art and said its horrible
"Thank you dir for the advice"
It’s not about skill, it’s about exposure. There are people who don’t draw very well, but have millions of views due to their persistence.
Over time their art goes from mediocre to something pretty amazing due to the amount of support they receive over the years.
So it’s more about persistence and putting out regularly, rather than level of skill.
The way the system is set up is bad imo, because it encourages burn out.
Skillful artists, who don’t consistently post, don’t get picked up by the algorithms.
Sometimes it's also just kind of random- you could be consistent & maybe even good but that's not a guarantee.
Why must the algorithm can be unfair sometimes like I had a recent post and from looking in the analytics, Instagram only reached my followers instead of new unfamiliar people 😢
Thank you
"Why should people stop to look at your art"?
Honestly, I'd rather they didn't.
Read the book "Show your Work" by Austin Kleon
I’ll have to check it out!
Excuse me, but why do you need somebody's reaction on the first place? Judging exraordinarity of your creation by reaction of other people is the same thing as say that Van Gogh was profane looser with no art at all and the memes are the best pictures that ever drawn. And besides, if it will be true, artists couldn't create anything beautiful without somebody else feedback. But we have plenty of hidden jems along the art. People's reaction is valuable tool, no doubt, but for the many artists it was a pistol in Russian roulette, especially the young ones
I see your point. I like your words “pistol in Russian roulette”. That’s probably an apt description. However, IF creating art that impacts those who see it IS in fact the goal, why would you then dismiss the feedback you receive from those who see it as though it’s worthless? Perhaps we should stop telling young artists to fear negative feedback because it feels bad and instead equip them to deal with it without confusing public approval with self-worth. That’s my humble opinion. 😊
@@thepainted_life Thanks! now I see your statement more clearly. I think there's certain difference between "doing art" and "doing art for impact on others". Taking every response, both positive and negative, is a part of main strategy in the second case. In this I'm agree with you - even the toughest critique should be taken with professional grace, not personally. And it can greatly improve your message to the audience.
My true question is, why ask myself your intro question?
I do art for myself and this is how art started as in the first place: personal expression.
If somebody likes my art, that is second to what I think of it at the end of the day. I have to live with what I do, and that will always be the case.
However, I am positive if I like what I do, somebody else will inevitably. You might think that as untrue, but it is, because none of us are in true and unbreakable isolation. Because we are inherently social creatures, living in this status quo and that we are bound to find somebody even a little like us. Some, out there, are truly seekers of art too.
But I guess this video was not meant for me, hopefully it reaches the people truly meant for. Hopefully this measly comment could make that happen.
what is that pad you are using?
It’s a Huion Kamvas Pro
Make and share your art. F AI n fear of failure. There’s no real downside of putting your artwork out there.
I don't know what to do with this.
Okay, now this made me want to quit art, at least for a while.
Why?
F*ck attention & just do it if you want to do it. Caring about whether it'll get me anywhere has hindered my art so much & it's so liberating when you just focus on art for the sake of art &/or joy. Removes a lot of pressure for many people as well which makes learning & staying consistent easier.
Is this really something that people don't intuitively recognize?
Amazing message
Glad you got something from it 😊
Oh oh je crois que tu vas avoir une abonnée de plus 😂❤
So... the whole advice is about listen feedback? Well, I suppose young artists are told about it quite often.
Probably because english isn't my first language, but I dind't get the message. Could anyone explain?
I took it as: When you put your art out into the world, the world is going to judge it. He's saying to take that feedback and use it to shape what you choose to do next. And to appreciate that you're able to receive that feedback in the first place. To become successful at impacting other people, you need to be able to roll with the punches and take criticism as a guide for improvement, rather than personally.
@@taylorjade6918 This helped me as well - I have some processing issues and I just originally heard it as "Why should anyone look at your art? There is a million other beautiful things to see, and so when people decide to dedicate time to look at your artwork, you will see if people liked it or not based on their reactions or the lack thereof. (i.e, if you were a waste of their time or not.) Take that truth, and use it." - And it just...didn't hit as motivationally to me as what you described its meaning to be lol 😅
Don’t think I could have said it better 👏🏻👏🏻
@@taylorjade6918 thank you! I understand it now :)
@@monteybourne3443 me too
Adventure Time was a very popular cartoon with some of the worst art ever. I hardly ever take stock in the opinions of the masses.
Seems like a matter of taste & not skill to me.
so youre telling me that i needed to hear that i need to take the truth and appreciate it?! dude i was looking for GOOD advice on digital art not for stupid and useles advices
probably because it's bad advice
How are you defining "bad"?
Why do you believe it is bad advice? (Genuine question)
@@SyoDrawsBecause social media algorithms are a very real influence on how many people your art reaches, it's definitely not based on merit. You'll find a lot of famous artists that aren't that skilled but many genuinely skilled ones with almost no attention.
@@Hello-hello-hello456 that makes sense
Indeed the algorithm IS a real thing. No doubt. However most of these platforms offer valuable tools to artists looking to illicit an emotional response from the viewers such as the ability to see how many people have seen their work versus how have reacted. That alone, in my opinion, is a tool to be thankful for 😊✌🏻
True. An artist must either be a professional, aiming to be among the few best, or live by the liberal philosophy "everyone is beautiful and everything is good" but then he'll have to face the reality that you described. Time is limited and there are things objectively better. All these people saying that Golden Ratio is a myth or that it doesn't take 10k hours to be good... They don't understand how things work. They want the comfort of excuses. And let's be honest, most people don't treat their job seriously today, especially when it's art. They think art is about being relaxed and having fun. No, it's bone-cracking practice every day just to reach the basic level of mediocrity just to have a chance to maybe reach the lowest slices of audience's interest. Because people have something to choose from.
And, yes, it should be used as motivation, not as an obstacle. Motivation to get much better. Otherwise it's pointless to even start. Drawing as a hobby is fine. But so many people get upset for not getting millions of views, it's ridiculous.
aw
but I mean some art is seriously under/overrated
Alright message. Artwork is pretty but uninspired and unoriginal