What's My Line? - Lena Horne (Sep 27, 1953)
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MYSTERY GUEST: Lena Horne
PANEL: Dorothy Kilgallen, Steve Allen, Arlene Francis, Bennett Cerf
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Dorothy was incredibly intuitive and easy on the eyes.
I can't help but love Ms Lena Horne, my grandfather had such a crush on her and had beautiful pictures of her! He would've been 36 when this aired!
Whenever LH made an appearance on TV or in the movies, I remember we all immediately sat up and smiled in anticipation. Even my dad would put down his newspaper, which was a compliment to her great talent and beauty.
Lena Horne was stunning. I saw her on Broadway in the 1980s when she was in her 60s and she was just as beautiful. A truly classy lady!
Ms Lena Horne.... great beauty, great talent, incredible class...
Yes!
@@dennismclaurin1487😮😮
Lena Horne was just adorable, and oh, so talented. She lit up the room!
Ms. Horne was lovely then and seemed to get even more lovely as times passed. She was a true superstar of her time.
There was a spirited discussion on the recent Ava Gardner episode about who was more beautiful. I would say that Miss Gardner was perhaps the most alluring. Marilyn Monroe, whose name was mentioned, may be the sexiest woman with her combination of curves, innocence and yet a type of childlike wisdom.
But I would have to say that for pure classic, aesthetic and timeless beauty, Miss Horne was either at the top or very close to it. Grace Kelly (whose name was included in the aforementioned discussion) certainly had class, aesthetic beauty. But she was showing signs of aging fairly early, perhaps a reflection of health issues that culminated in her death from a stroke at age 52.
A name that wasn't mentioned in the previous discussion, perhaps only because she was associated more with the 1960's and 70's as an adult star rather than the 1950's, is Natalie Wood. She also, IMHO, fits the definition of a classic, aesthetic beauty and she looked just as attractive in her early 40's as she did as an ingenue. Unfortunately her untimely death prevented us from knowing just how timeless her beauty would have been. She would have been 78 if she survived until today (1/13/2017).
Interestingly, Miss Horne and Miss Gardner were good friends. But Gardner benefited from the racial attitudes of the time, getting a part in Show Boat that would have otherwise gone to Horne. If the latter had gotten the part, it would have violated a ban on interracial relationships in movies at the time. As it turned out, Gardner's singing wasn't considered good enough and she had to be overdubbed.
Miss Horne still holds the record for the longest running solo performance on Broadway "Lena Horne: The Lady and Her Music". She was in her mid-60's when she started the 333 performance run that closed on her 65th birthday, and then she took it on the road ... all this after she had announced her retirement a year earlier. I should look so good at 64. I should look so good now as she did in her 70's!
Lena Horne had much more than outer beauty. She had inner beauty that shone through with her dynamic smile, brains, talent, courage, determination, a moral compass and a keen sense of justice. She was a true pioneer and many have succeeded because of the paths she blazed.
gcjerryusc I'm one of your favorite commenters? Aw, thank you so much.
+gcjerryusc
That doesn't mean I don't know how to play the coquette, especially when dealing with a Southern gentleman. You are a gentleman, are you not, suh?
A true lady, regardless of how well-versed and outspoken she may be in conversation, no matter how well she may be able to compete with men in certain endeavors normally associated with men, must always accept compliments with grace and humility.
Marilyn Monroe had more than curves and 'look' of innocence, she was beauty personified. When she died, many men committed suicide. I don't know what they were thinking but she represented something very special to them.
Grace who I think died in a tragic car accident in Monaco was not showing signs of aging, she was just lovely.
Dorothy was incredible on this show ❤️😢
She could have worked for the FBI.
Dorothy was brilliant until murdered!!
the best panelits were when steve allen was on along with the regular three ones. a perfect match!
The dress worn by the second contestant was made by my grandmother. She didn't care for the style, but it sure did fit to perfection.
how nice to share that..thank you
Thanks for sharing this info :-)
Edward Fenn - Very cool family history!
@Edward Fenn I liked the dress and am impressed with your grandmother's talent. I'm also curious to know how you know that your grandmother made that dress. Was this a family story that your grandmother told frequently? Was Miss Taggart a family friend, or was your grandmother a professional seamstress who held this television appearance of one of her creations as a claim to fame? Sounds like there's a longer story there that I'd love to hear! :-)
Cool story!
I’m way too young to know this show but I love watching the clips especially with old Hollywood actors.
Ms. Horne was one of the most beautiful performers ever
Dorothy was brilliant.
The producers at first were afraid that the panel would guess very few of the occupations but there record became quite amazing. Dorothy here guessing the judge for instance and the chicken plucker at the end.
Not only was Lena beautiful, she had such a striking face.
Everyone posting was so right ..... Lena Horne was beautiful...❤️
She looked white - with a tan , but she talked like a sassy black woman.
I saw her one-woman show in 1980. An awesome memory.
I didn't know her so far, but have to say she is very charming in the first place.
Her face is interesting and sweet.
She had the most perfect teeth. I have never seen a more perfect smile.
Loved her voice.....I have several records of hers.....listen to Lena Goes Latin.....
Stormy weather is my favourite
Dorothy is good at solving.
I have to say, Steve Allen keeps reminding me of Chandler Bing from "Friends". It's that awkward, straight-faced humour. I love it!
I can actually see what you mean here, despite not being a big fan of "Friends". . . yes.
He does remind me of him lol
Great comparison. Chandler is my favorite characters from Friends and Steve Allen is my favorite panelist.
His expressions are priceless.
"Chandler" sometimes lists Mr. Allen as an inspiration, actually.
Arlene (again) caused me to laugh uproariously at 12:25
I just love, Lena Horne!!
Arlene Francis is a class act
Yes, she is. And easy on the eyes. Well, next to Lena. 😍
I find her annoying.
Emphasis on ACT
I'm not sure but I bet this show was progressive in having a number of Black guests (in a still shitty time for minorities.) White, upper class, successful people appreciating and being kind to them sent a lot of good messages to the public that black folks were cool and to be respected--a nice thing that the media can do sometimes (teaching acceptance). Maybe I've got it wrong--but I hope not.
Yes I believe WML was at the forefront with POC guests. It’s still hard not to compare this audience’s subdued welcome to Lena with the usual overly enthusiastic welcome given to most mystery guests.
Fascinating to consider the blindfolds in that context...
Lena Horne was not black. She was a mixture, like Tiger Woods and Obama.
@@esmeephillips5888both of Lena’s horne’s parents were both black…but of course like many black Americans their is some European heritage..
Lena Horne was a class act. Not too many you can say that about today.
Madge Taggert had a fabulous signature
What Class. Gorgeous and beautiful
I say this every show, but love the signatures
It's sad that Ms. Horne had to answer "no" to the dramatic and comedy roles because she was never given the opportunity in Hollywood. In many of the films in which she appeared, they would literally insert her singing performance. She would not appear in any other parts of the film.
😢😢
Which could be easily cut out of the picture when being shown in Southern theaters - and usually was. 😞
Yes So Trajic That Her Talents Were Never Fully Utilized By Hollywood !!....But The Amazing Thing Is In Spite of Hollywood's Limited Use of Her , She Still Became A Great Entertainer !!!......
@piustwelfth....the majority of your comment is right on. I question Lena Horne's roles in Cabin In The Sky and Stormy Weather. Were those two roles considered light comedy? Remember she did The Duke Is Tops in 1938....maybe these roles were ingenue????
@@brianoyler706 She probably was thinking of those films as "musicals". Her Hollywood career was very dissatisfying to her, but fortunately she had great success in the nightclub circuit (and later on Broadway) where she appeared in the most prestigious venues around the world.
A very artistic judge by her signature
Use to be one of my fav tv shows ❤️
Lena Horne was a brilliant singer and a first rate all round entertainer.
13:49 "And she has her own show up there. What's my *fine.* " 😂 ~Steve Allen
A repeat of a Hal Block joke.
@@dutchtea8354 Ah ha. I did not know that. 👍
One of the questions was about New Rochelle my home City 🥰👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾the late great Richard Roundtree aka the original Shaft kept us on Hollywood's map 🥰❤️🖤💚🙏🏽❤️🖤💚thanks Brotha 🙏🏽😘
even with the video dropouts, the video is wonderful - thank you, and no need to apologize.
The most beautiful movie star of them all!
Ms Francis was amazing guessing Ms Horne
and the chicken plucker
Ms. Dorothy is amazing !!!
Dorothy was a investigative reporter 😊
Oh she is adorable 🥺
Interesting tidbit: Lena was offered the leading role of Georgina in the Broadway musical HALLELUJAH, BABY! (written by Jule Styne, Adolph Green, Betty Comden and Arthur Laurents) in 1966, but she was steely in her resolve to turn it down (probably feeling that neither musical nor character depiction were right for her). The role went instead to (and was rewritten for) Leslie Uggams, who won a Tony Award for Best Leading Actress in a Musical in 1968. The show itself ran for 293 performances from April 1967 to January 1968; and won a 1968 Tony for Best Musical...
I read that story on Wikipedia. LENA HORNE was 26 years older than Leslie Uggams. The musical actually opened on April 26, 1967, the year Lena Horn turned 50, and closed on Jan 13, 1968. It would be interesting to read the original story written with a much older lead actress in mind. LENA Horne never mentioned this in any of her interviews which can be viewed on CZcams.
Very humble and gracious😊
I love the whole show with the entertaining panel and host, but Steve Allen is a particular favourite as he is so charming, witty, and very attractive!
I just adore Steve Allen. He's hilarious! 😂🤣 "What's My Fine"?
Lena Horne - what a classy woman :D
For a while, it looked like Arlene wasn't going to get a "no" when questioning the last challenger.
I think they should bring this show back . Of course modernized.
: ) A unique way to write a capital M; never seen that style before->Madge Taggart sign-in
Arlene definitely was the trail blazer for the jacket off the shoulder look…. I know those kardashians think they did but NOOOOOO…. Arlene was pure fashion and a fashionista who the kardashians should aspire to be like. Pure class. The whole panel were so wonderful!!! So kind and thoughtful… John was lovely
So many Turkish baths, steam baths, mud baths on this show....I wish these were still so available
When I was a kid Steve Allen reminded me of Clark Kent because of the glasses and hair, Lol!
Clark's hair was not detachable.
@@esmeephillips5888 It was so slick and shiny.
While watching this I simultaneously Googled Ride the Pink Horse, a mystery story by Dorothy B. Hughes, referred to by Bennet Cerf. I was thinking that Mr. Cerf would be amazed at my ability to watch a show from 1953 and read about a 1947 movie from a book he'd referred to.
I don't know why, but youtube keeps flagging these messages from you as spam, which is why I hadn't seen this till now. Thanks again for noting when there are a/v problems-- I added a note to the description.
These dresses showed a little in front. Dorothy could have used a necklace sometimes.
Once again WML has a person of color on. In the 50's that was quite rare; I wouldn't be surprised if the number of ethnic people to appear on WML in the 1950's surpassed the sum total of all other shows combined. Very liberal of G and T, who I'm sure had a major influence on this.
The best four!
Very original and individual signature @ 9:12
Indeed. The way she made her capital M and capital T, I thought she might do something artistic. So much for my guess, "paints porcelain".
Could be the start of a "Hangman" game.
Oh john and your conferences
They always mention New Rochelle on this show, where I grew up. I assume a lot of these celebrities performed at the Glen Island Casino in its heyday. 😍
Lena is gorgeous
Yes, she is.
......Despite the ugliness of what she endured in her time.
Around 7;05, when Arlene describes the product as a cream or ointment to apply to the body, John Daly definitely gives a tug to his earlobe!!
Oh man I missed that! I just listened to the interview where Cerf explains what the signal means, will have rewatch that bit.
Can't be talking about rubbing that cream on I guess lol.
She was such a beautiful woman!
I notice there were quite a few left handed contestants signing in, didn't know it was as prevalent. My baby brother is left handed and my eldest son. But here it seems about even. It was considered a defect when my brother was a kid, he's 58.
About one in ten are born lefties, but in the 1950s some would still have been using their right hands bc they were forced to as kids.
Arlene was so pretty ❤❤ *swoons*
My uncle had a butcher shop in the 1960's through the 1990's. His wife my maternal aunt used to pluck the chickens! He was also a big crook who injected water into the meat!
I knew Mrs. Kilgallen had the chicken plucker answer by her hand motion, Lol!
I’m glad that John Charles Daly threw some cards over for that chicken plucker.
She was all the glamour before Diana came along.
@24:04 John admits to making a mistake by saying too much in response to Bennett's earlier question about meat (around 22:40). Exactly what I was thinking when he said it! Perhaps that is why he decides to be more generous than he has been in the past in flipping some extra cards: from 10 to 25. I had noticed that except for one instance when Hal Block suggested he flip all the cards for a contestant who was guessed too quickly, John had, up until this episode, seemed a little stingy even when he did flip extra cards -- flipping only one or two, regardless of how little money the contestant had actually won when his/her line was guessed.
great joke by steve allen, to the judge, "she has her own show up there called, 'what's my time?"'.
Something Hal Block did a few times: made a joke/pun by tying a challenger's occupation to the name of the program.
"fine" would work just as well or better but after listening to it a couple times i keep hearing "time".
tomitstube
I thought it was "what's my fine?"
@@tomitstube The joke you mention starts at about the 13:42 mark in the video. It sounds like "What's My Fine?" to me.
Steve borrowed from Hal Block, whose two favorites were "What's my fine?" and "What's my crime?" when dealing with police, lawyers, and judges. :)
Oh steve 😂❤
Steve was channeling Hal Block for a minute
He uses a lot of the same lines and jokes as Hal, just more upperclass and acceptable from Steve.
i shoulda been born in that time...
I find myself getting very irritated with Bennet when he asks questions of the guests outside of the questioning. She said she was from California, there was a reason she didn't stipulate where in California, and it was rude of him to ask. He did this constantly.
Back in the days when life was easy and smiles meant good times :)
Life was easy? WTF?
Yes. Easy for white Christian males.
Gee, you must be fun at parties.
The theme song, 'Those were the days' come to mind.
It’s time for a reboot!!!!
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“Poof! There goes perspiration.” But did Stopette really work?
I guess it really doesn't matter, since, according to Bennett, the success of the show eventually raised advertising rates that it ruined the company. 😓
Yes, Dr. Jules Montenier patented a way of buffering the acidity of aluminum chloride; see the Wikipedia article on him for details. Stopette worked as an anti-perspirant as well as a deodorant. He also patented the spray squeeze bottle it came in, an early use of flexible plastics.
Bennett was a great publisher, but knew little about retailing. Stopette’s troubles were distribution and competition. Montenier had an easy time in the esrly 50s, when deodorant use overall skyrocketed, but once the market levelled he had to fight for marketshare, and this meant establishing a sales force to put product in every non-chain drug store in America. His competitors did that, but he just relied on creating demand on TV. That doesn’t work if you can’t acquire the product locally.
@@petemarshall8094 It was an early triumph of the Mad Men's psy-ops to persuade Americans that their natural body odors were repellent. Vance Packard's attack on 'The Hidden Persuaders' comes to mind. Many brainwashing and propaganda techniques from WW2 were used by ex-servicemen who went into the ad business.
13:25 It was a tough one only because back then few people imagined a woman could be a judge.
My mother had an autographed picture of Miss Lena Horne but my sister misplaced it when my mother passed.
@@GCMC-m2h Yes she sure was.
He applied simple rhyming technique. Nothing too special about that but he was witty though.
Arlene Francis was a very beautiful woman but there are days when she is gorgeous. This was one of those days.
Gosh..SO beautiful
I wonder why Arlene snubbed Mrs. Hughes. 😶 Dorothy was polite, and shook her hand.
Arlene wasn't required to shake hands.😮
What does it mean when John Daly stands up at 7:50?
he is being funny. pretending to take a bow, like he just gave a great answer.
"I think Mrs. Hughes stitches shoes". Ha ha! How does Steve come up with these lines?
Some of us have minds that work that way. I don't just hear words when they are spoken, I see them. Therefore a part of my brain processes them faster because the speed of light is faster than the speed of sound. Therefore, puns often come to me, even without searching for them. Coming up with them is as easy as falling off a logarithm.
Lois Simmons great description of our affliction!
I notice that certain words were edited out, interesting.
The men stood, when she was shaking their hands...
they never shoulda run off..steve allen shouldA advised them to interview the mistery guest
They should bring this show back. 2022 style
Since this was before Brown v Board of Education, and segregation was still in force, I wonder if any Southern TV affiliates refused to broadcast this episode.
Good question. WML was broadcast live every Sunday night at 10:30. A station would have to scramble to find something to put on the air for a half hour.
@@keithhyttinen8275 We didn't get it live in California. That would've been 1:30 a.m.! TV went off the air around midnight and didn't come on again until about 5:00 a.m. in 1953. There was a test pattern on the screen with no sound if you turned it on in the middle of the night. I don't remember when we saw WML back then, but I was allowed to watch it, so it had to have been on a different night, before my bedtime at around 9:00 p.m.
@@keithhyttinen8275 Another question is whether she could find a decent hotel in NYC.
@@lemorab1 10.30 pm in NYC would be 7.30 pm in LA.
:)
At 3:47, Steve said, “To get to the breadbox department...”. This was the 23rd usage. He seemed to know not to ask about the actual size.
John announced Remington as the co-sponsor to start next week alternating weeks with Stopette.
An online site states that this was the second of two shows that day, with the first one being lost.
The audience gave Steve the hint that he was going in the wrong direction 😅
my grandmother's may have been there as well all of them rmaid clothes what nationality was your grandmother online are Cherokee
I must watch a lot of TV because when I saw the guest was a judge I took that to mean she was a judge on a show of some sort.
did Bennett Cerf EVER have hair?
MUD BATH ATTENDANT
JUDGE
CHICKEN PLUCKER
John let Lena go about two seconds after she was identified. Running behind the clock, ok, but you chat with a woman of her stature for at least a short while.
Robby Bonfire she got right up and left!
I agree
As I watch the episodes in order, this appears to have been common practice in the early years of WML, to move on quickly from the mystery guest. I think that they tended to keep the mystery guests on a bit longer in later years.
Not a talk show 😊
Lena Horne was beautiful and talented. Her appearance caused a stir since she’s of mixed race. Much controversy back then but thankfully that’s not an issue today.
Cyndi Foore Both of Lena’s parents were black.
lena Horne was not mixed race
Natalie Nolan yes and no. Like most black Americans, her parents were black in the american sense of multi generational mixing with African and other racial groups. So what the above person said isn’t technically wrong. But Lena wouldn’t have called herself mixed race, however she did acknowledge her european and indigenous lineage.
Why controversial? Then and now, most black Americans were "mixed" to some degree. However, it does not mean their parents were of different races. Look at the results of modern DNA tests. The vast majority of blacks in the U.S. are not 100% African but the majority of white Americans are 100% European. Horn's appearance is not the result of mixed parentage but of a complicated and often tragic American past.
Lena was mixed. She has the same mixture as I do.
Oh, so this lady is who Kramer thought Jerry looked like 😁
😂 really?!
Lena Horne @14:31
The chicken plucker was going for a speed record with those answers. Was the floor manager signaling him to hurry it up?
2015... Are there chicken pluckers in America. More over, Is plucker a word that would have been used on WML?