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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 10. 04. 2020
- Here I come back with a reaction from Nightwish new album! We are starting this series with "Music", which is the opening track from the album! In this video, I discuss the influences that I hear in this song!
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Let's face it, most native English speakers would be tripping over their tongues trying to get some of those lines out at that speed. I think that's what impressed me most about this song: retaining clarity of diction within a very complex rhythmic and melodic framework.
As an American, I was thinking earlier how Tuomas' English vocabulary is better than 99.9% of the world's English speakers
Vocal gymnastics, indeed.
And this is one of the chill ones...
Shoemaker is think harder in that way.
And then the mother of tongue friking twisters: Pan.
It's one thing to do that in a studio setting as well but Imagine having to be consistent on tour. That's pretty freaking ballsy if you ask me!
ps. I doubt there won't be many CZcams cover artists doing any of these songs either.
EDIT: I just read somewhere that Tuomas said that Shoemaker is one of the songs that won't be performed live, which makes sense. I can't even imagine half the songs being done live, considering they are incredibly challenging.
@@deadohiosky1701 From what I gather he is a pretty well read guy anyways, considering the inspiration he draws from poets like Whitman et al.
Chills listening to this song and seeing the lyric video, Tuomas is a genius
Yes musically very very talented person
The whole album gives me chills in the best way even the orchestral part
The album appears to explore more of Floor's upper range. It also showcases Troy and Marco as well as harmonies with the three singers. It creates an interesting change for the band's overall sound. The effect is less metal and more melodic. But there are plenty of tribal rhythms as well.
Oh lovely Elvann. It's a real choir. This is a slow building opener of the album. It's like they are welcoming us to the musical journey with them. This is very difficult to sing so Floor had to really rehearse this for sure. This is great but just a beginning. You'll see.
Toumas really set the band a challenge this time. Troy had to figure out how he was going to play his parts too, and the drummer had to add 5 new drums to his kit to get the sound he wanted!
He also challenged us, the listeners. I love it.
Devin Townsend used three different drummers on his latest record, and even some of its individual songs, so Tuomas has some extra room to play with in the future ))))
@@npinjest7779 Kai Hahto is enough and full band member. Tree different drummers would look pretty weird in posters. Plus Tuomas already has full orchestra to play with. Lot of percussions there.
@@lekalla Kai is indeed a great drummer, but just like DT, Tuomas is a perfectionist and that can take you places )))) Check out "Genesis", from Empath album and you'll get the idea where someone might end up in search of perfect. Tuomas, in his Q&A, said that Music was originally conceived to be similarly all-encompassingly ambitious, he just could not quite make it work. You are right about the posters, so the three drummers were used only to record the album. Besides, DT is a solo artist at the moment, so I imagine he's the only one on the posters )))
@@npinjest7779 :D , just wait when he find out what to do next... :D
Minds of the Future Nightwish marathon yesterday.
Elvanns today đ
William Shakespeare; Charles Darwin; Albert Einstein; Isaac Newton; Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart; Leonardo da Vinci; Thomas Edison; Ludwig van Beethoven; Galileo Galilei; Socrates; Michelangelo; René Descartes; Nikola Tesla; TUOMAS HOLOPAINEN ...TUOMAS HOLOPAINEN ...TUOMAS HOLOPAINEN ...TUOMAS HOLOPAINEN ...TUOMAS HOLOPAINEN
Tuomas has been compared by his peers to a modern day Mozart
Yes I agree that Tuomas belongs in that list of greats composers and influential thinkers
Maybe dont mention thief and asshole like Edison with other great people on that list
Thomas Edison was american as far as I know :)
@@Leonswe13 And more or less ran a sweat shop
Great album and I as a Dutchy am extra proud of Floor Jansen. She is awsome again, all of Nightwish are!
Floor Jansen is one of my favourite refferences from Netherlands!!
Nightwish has been working with Angel Studios in London for several albums. That's a legit choir. gotta give it up to Pip and his people. Always deliver at a high level. Floor's dedication to her craft is evident in every performance and recording. i don't believe she's capable of half-assing or phoning it in. she wouldn't allow herself to do it. a beautiful song about Music.
The new patterns are very interesting. Seems like Nightwish (finally) fully embraced their progressive rock/metal side, (further) shedding their power metal roots, without losing their Hans Zimmer. The fascinating, to me, spin is that those rhythmic signature progressive metal elements that a band like Dream Theater does with drums or guitars forward, Nightwish does with vocals.
Nightwish Is using More voices than ever and the reason Is simple: Now the band has 3 vocalists. Yes, Floor Jansen is the most important singer, but you have two different and good voices to get richer the music.
@@AdolfoSalinasP The harmonies are nice, but I was specifically referring to the vocal melodies sung by Floor, with those shorter lines/notes and rhythms I associate with progressive rock/metal, sort of a vocal slalom.
I've listened to the new album about 5 times now since the release. I think Music is my favorite right now.
Have you seen the How's The Hart accustic session video yet? It's amazing, Floor sounds out of this world. (Not to discredit Troy's beautiful guitar playing and backing vocals)
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@@ICBMSteve I think it's best she heard the original before comparing it to the acoustic version.
PageMonster she already has: commented elsewhere that she'd recorded them all today.
Ooh, been waiting for this.
Yess!! Worked all day on these! I recorded reactions for all of the songs today! đ
@@ElvannReacts Look forward to Shoemaker. Oh...and I'm back in hospital again. It is not Covid-19, but had to take the test. Thank Sagan, ot was NEGATIVE. The waiting 48 hours in isolation was scary. I have a different lung infection. Getting better.. đ
PageMonster I hope you get better, Iâve read a few stories about people getting fungal lung infections (one was after they started getting better from covid). Get better and stay safe!
I am so glad you are going to review each song Elvann with a first reaction! You are the my favorite reviewer of Nightwish because of the combination of your deep love for the band and music theory expertise. This album is incredible but there is so much going on musically I can't wait to hear you break it down and seeing the joy on your face as you experience the album is another gift.
Yesss I can't wait to release all of those videos! Since they are all first reactions then I might not go into tons of analysis details, but I think it should be fun!!!
Nice reaction! I cannot wait for you to react to "Shoemaker" and "Endlessness" :)
For real those are the stand out songs
The wait for your reactions to Shoemaker and the live acoustic version of How's The Heart is going to kill me!
Excellent reaction and breakdown Elvann, as always your insight into the technicalities and explanations of tonality / vocals is excellent and enlightening to us mere mortals. Thankyou and take care.
people do check out her covers,they are really top notch.
I agree!
Awww thank you Gary â€ïžđ
Yes! I love her Sleeping Sun. So beautiful and professional.
Realy?? I disagree She's giving critics at other singers and thats ok.. But then to hear her own vocals... This blows my mind!!!.. How can she give critics when she doesn't even come close to them.
@@-ephemeral-7255 exactly the same way a coach can give criticism to a player, a mentor to a protege you don't have to be a perfect example of something to be able to critique someone else's performance in something all you need is the knowledge of what you are talking about and a good ear (in this case). The other thing is that performers rely on constructive criticism to drive them to perform better and to kee p improving. If you believed youtube reactors Floor is untouchable as a singer and everyone should just bow down and be grateful she sings for us! How does that offer any benefit to Floor other than an ego boost? If I was Floor I know who I would rather watch a reaction from. I am not Floor and cant sing but still find peoples opinions interesting particularly if there is knowledge to back it up.
Did you noticed in the video the 4500 year old harp/lyre? It is believed to be one of the first instruments that a human has created to make music. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyres_of_Ur
I love the comblexity of the melody in this song and how precisely Floor sings it. Just beautiful.
Yep! They're totally the lyres of Ur! The first stringed instruments that we know of.
I'm sure there are other lyres like that that are way older but that we haven't found or have been destroyed, because these date back to the Early Dynastic Period, but ancient cities like Uruk and Eridu (who are considered the oldest cities in Mesopotamia, dating back at least 6000 years) must have had instruments for longer than 4500 years, right? Sumerian civilisation dates back to those times, and scholars think that writing developed around 5500 years ago, so music instruments have to have been older than that. I know at least that the oldest instruments period found were flutes dating back 7000 years or more (not only in Mesopotamia but all around the world, if I'm not mistaken).
I'm sorry for the long comment. My inner nerd had to come out on this :p
nimedhel09 Your comment is valid, it is very interesting to read about this kind of history, for me that is. Iâm pretty sure that humans created instruments allready back in the days we lived in gaves. If you think about it human voice is the very first intrument. I totally see a mother huming to her child in ancient times. Also it was clever to include in the vids image of the clay pot they found in Ur too, and there was the worlds first known composition written in cuneiform. The music piece can be found in yt, played with reconstracted lyre.
Shoemaker, could be another song from this album you could find intresting.. Floor uses voice up and down, and opratic, Troy come in with a softer chorus, maybe the massterpiece from the album.
Yes! I have already recorded them all! ;) Loved Shoemaker!
Yay I've been waiting for your reaction to this album. Really excited to hear your insights on all the tracks.
Always a pleasure to watch your reactions !!
As an artist yourself, and covering many Nightwish songs, you perfectly understand how difficult this song is. I'm not a singer, but one of the (multiple) things I love with her, is the precision she puts in every single word she sings, and besides manages to blow so much emotion in it. It's really amazing...
As you say, many people may not even notice how hard the lines she sings are hard to perform. And her years of experience and hard work allow her to make us dive into the emotion of every single song she sings, she's really a perfectionnist, and it's always a stunning experience to listen to her !
Very impatient to see you react to the rest of the album, be prepared ;-)
To me this album is so meaningful and important, been listening to many times and it's getting better after every time. Let's see what you think about the album on your coming videos.
And that my lady is why i follow you as well on spotify .. You are one in a kind .. no words needed ... You are great
Thank youuu Martin!! â€ïžâ€ïžâ€ïž
Thank you for taking the time to witness all the subtleties of the song, new subscriber keep em coming!
Tears in my eyes. And goosebumps. LOTS of goosebumps. And thatâs one of the reasons I love this band â€ïž
I needed this album right now. And I was so excited to see your reaction to this song. You definitely did NOT disappoint đ
Thank you once again for another beautiful and insightful explanation and reaction! Please stay safe and keep up the awesomeness đđ€
Oh hello dear Elvann, I've waited for this! Just bought the album today and listened through it completly, after I already heard a few songs before. I can only say, it's a pure masterpiece! With this, Nightwish set the definition of Symphonic Metal on a whole new level, and you will highly emjoy it, I'm sure!
And who could be better to make a reaction to it than you...the combination of your love for Nightwish and your musical expertise make your reactions every time to a special pleasure for me:-)
Can't wait for you doing Shoemaker, that will blow you away, I promise!
What a beautiful, insightful reaction Elvann .. as much as I love Floor (from afar) I find you quite wonderful too :)
Love the way you get completely into your reactions, you have such a understanding of music and Nightwish.. Love your reactions and falling more and more in love with you and your engagement.. Stay Safe
This song starts with telling us from itâs own side how music did came into our universe and to humans in especially. That basic sounds are initially short and simple. Later on men discover more complexity and more different ways to express themselves Tuomas seems to trying us to tell. This is not about showing your abilities but storytelling. Thatâs what this whole album is about. Our complete story about how human and nature communicates via music in multiple ways. Beautiful made.
Your comment, to the tricky Verses from Floorđđ€ and when i speak with MUSIC. Thank you, and a good Night đ€
I just heard your coversongs on Deezer. Oh my gosh, you totally have such a great voice :o ⥠much love from Germany :)
Can't wait to hear a live version of this, it has such a difficult vocal part.
Same!!!
I really like your videos. I was waiting for this.
Hi Elvann!! great review!! the vocal work in this song, and in general the entire album is fantastic.. also, in an Q&A with Tuomas, he mentioned the initial idea for this song was bad.. trying to use several music styles (rock, jazz,electronic.. like bohemian rhapsody).. he said.. "the fact that you have an idea, doesn't mean it is a good idea".... Have a great day an see you in the next one!!
I would like to hear them do Bohemian Rhapsody one day.
Good to see you again! :)
Great reaction :) Love the fact that you pointed out how tough it is to sing this! No one would doubt your credentials, as it takes an amazing singer to see one! Would love to see a breakdown of the song like you did for Harvest. Of this entire album, if you can spare the time for us needy tinkers.
I'm excited for this series! Great reaction. Greetings from Argentina
How's The Heart acoustic - pleasĐ” đ
But after the album version. I liked the album version but adored/loved the acoustic version.
Great reaction. I really enjoy hearing your thoughts and analysis.
You always make me want to go back studying music
The instrumentation of these songs(not just this song but the whole album) is fantastic and I find myself drawn to the songs through the instruments they use. Also a Celtic feel with some of the songs which is a total win for me.
Nice! waiting for more... tyvm for your analysis.
Would love to see you do some covers of their new album đđ
I just realized how much you shared with us for this album review. A band you have loved, covered and performed. To openly show your first feelings and reactions is raw and awesome.
You always manage to explain things in the simplest way possible and that's what attracts many I believe to your channel. As for Nightwish I have no words. Just WOW
Can see this be an intro at coming concerts..hope so. And thanx 4 great reaction as always!
The height of the tone is a nice to have, but using different techniques gives more depths to any voice.
thanks for breaking this down Elvann .. i like the way you do that ..
In beginnin of the video was oldest harp that has been found đ
this content is golden hope you continue to grow
Nice reaction...up to the next one..đ
Have you watched Tuomas` answering questions on Nightwish channel? He said about this song that he wanted to devide it into 4 parts: metal, electronic, jazz and pop. Like combining different types of music, showing, what music can be. And when he did that, it was "the goofiest thing he ever heard", so he made it another way. And you said "influences", it might be his idea and he did it on purpose.
I could go on and on in this comment, but that would bore you. I'm glad you mentioned Floor's interview regarding the challenges in this record, and it's clear that she was honest about having to put the work in to make this work. It was also obvious how closely you were listening and analyzing, which is exactly what I expected. Thanks for doing this - you're the best.
I love your reaction videos! As a musician and vocalist myself I truly appreciate how you break it all down. Well done. One thing that struck me this time listening to this was that Floorâs opening lines are quite reminiscent of bird songs and that is, perhaps, in part what inspired humans to create our own music. So many amazing layers to Nightwish, like an onion. Also it makes me tear up every time. Tuomas really is a genius.
đđđ€ luckely i'm on a mini vacation, Love it!!
I have a feeling Tuomas said holy shit when Floor took over when Annette left and realized wow this lady needs a semi trailer to pull her vocal toolbox around and millions of musical compositions floated in the air around him and he looked at Floor and said bring it on
Thanks keep up the good work the people need your hard work it helps us get through the dark quarantine days
It is great to acknowledge influences of great composers like Tuomas Holopainen! One of the major influence of Tuomas Holopainen is VANGELIS, Oscar-winning for the film Chariots of Fire. The intro of âMusicâ is partly inspired by him! The thematology of the album as well since Vangelis wrote the music for the NASA mission: 2001 Mars Odyssey and an asteroid was named after him.
Great review & reaction Elvann as always! This is one of my favorites off "Human Nature" I really like the way it's written & Floor's voice is remarkable. Hopefully can fly out to see them in September if this virus is over by then. I have a feeling they might open with this on their new tour and end the show with "Noise." OK .. Maybe.
Floor really shows the control in her voice on this album.
Please please please do a full rambly ranty video discussing (a)tonal music, harmony and other parts of music theory.
Jan Ćœegklitz I agree, so may who say They like these... those get boring. These Are Great, but I Also like to hear what is happening, why and how!
I really love all the explanations you give in your reactions! It makes you different because at least I appreciate the technical aspects of the music. I bet Floor does the same when she approaches a new song! Love it!!! đ€đ€
Debussy is a good example. Stravinsky would be another that fits. Thereâs a very âRite of Springâ feel, especially at the beginning.
Brock O'Meles I was Also thinking those two! Composers that paint worlds and feelings, and situations with music!
Ooohhh babyyy - letâs gooo! đ€đ€đđ€đ€
Also, 8:58 - the look of OH DEAR, I could explain SO MUCH! đđ
In the beginning of "Music" you may hear something that may sound like an organ. I know Toumas Holopainen is a fan of Hans Zimmer and I came to think of the movie "Interstellar". It is in the scene where they must connect with the mother ship.
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I'm a little bit disappointed you don't went into fangirl-mode for having a harps in video.
Hello Elvann! I like your analysis is the one I most wanted to see. THX.
It started with 2001, a Space Odyssey (music and video got married well) and then came a drumming with video from Avatar. Here are two big surprises, Floor's new vocal (7'14 "reminded me of Best Zengers) and heavier guitars than other albums. At 12'34" there is something of IBM / Industrial. I realized after listening about 5 times. At 14 minutes, a climate similar to Ataraxia.
The choir on that backing track was just totally awesome!!
Since I've listen the album I was waiting for your reaction.
The first time I heard this album I was dissapointed, after giving another chances now I love it.
Can't wait to see your reaction to the finales of Shoemaker.
Love your voice.
Thanks.
This whole thing is a masterpiece!!! Both Human AND Nature!!! I can't wait till you get to Tribal and procession!!! đđ€đ€â€ïžđ€đ€
Music is such a subtle grower, it's starting to climb my fave ladder
Thank you! And please, I need as much as reactions as possible to "Nightwish - how's the heart acoustic version"
I think this is the most daring and challenging album. Heading into new directions is always a huge gamble whether it is voluntarily or not, but with musicians as these you cannot leave the opportunity. It's also to keep the band's mind on track. Challenging them to go beyond their current abilities. They have to reinvent themselves to keep each other entertained especially on a level as this. Of course Tuomas can write the same style of songs over and over, but does it still make him happy writing in the same style?
One fan will be disappointed because of this, and another one will be happy. That's how it goes.
And I............ I am happy :)
Have you had any thoughts about doing some more covers with your harp? Elan and I want my tears back would be interesting :)
Love your content, have an awesome day
Can't wait to hear how they arrange the songs in live. How Floor shines with this one and how amazing Marcos and Troys harmonies must sound live. Tuomas and Nightwish makes great albums, but they are a live spectacle foremost!
Who else increased their volume when Elvann lowered hers?
I just throw it in, don't laugh, but I hear influences of ABBA in this song, especially in the chorus parts. I know it sounds weird but listen to some ABBA songs and you will here the same vibe and feeling. I like this a lot. The whole album is really so good. I can't stop laughing at the guys already complaining about "this is not Nightwish" it's not enough metal bla bla bla. It is Nightwish. They always had also folk songs like the last of the wild or even a lot earlier. Sleeping sun to be honest is far away from Metal but still the hardcore wannabe fans don't get that. Using all three singers for the very first time on the same album having their own song is also so nice. Harvest with Troy and Endlessness with Marco. Both songs are so good and just shows what a quality musicians and singers they are. When you progress to Shoemaker or Procession you will see a lot more what is there, especially lyrical wise. Procession hits you in the feels
Andreas Messerli Tuomas did âborrowâ from very different sourses with his own way. In some songs I hear dead metal, in some slavish, russian influences and so on. I really like those different influences! So if you hear Abba here... It is possible, there was some pop definitely in this song! I did not hear Abba in this, but I am Not Abba âExpertâ. You have to listen something a lot, to find those Little nyances!
OF COURSE!!! you nailed it dude! of course is like abba, I was hard thinking all along where I've listen stuff like this song.
Still I think there is something out there more close than ABBA is, my first thought was that Nightwish reduce metal, into CASSICAL off drumms/off bass/mostly off guitar ROCK, but couldn't find any example of it.
To me the chorus feels old but renew, as if thomas wanted to rebuild classic rock and give it the oportunity to being singed by newer influences.
Hi Elvann, I appreciate you doing this reviews are very inspirational and you really make it nice to understand Nightwish's heart. Floor really went to a different level of artistry with these songs from Human Nature, Tuomas writing is very difficult in this album specially for Floor and I am happy she delivered Tuoma's vision. Thank you for your reviews are very educational.
Modal melodies, difficult diction, range leaps at counterintuitive intervals, WOW. I think you were trying to say the unconventional directions keep it exciting and unpredictable.
It's incredible! You should react to Lockdown by Big Ass Fish at some point hahah
What I hear with the quick notes is maybe an oriental influence? Like it sounds a bit like the demi-tones (I don't know if it's the correct term, so tell me if I'm wrong) in arabic music, mostly. Quick notes like that are also kind of used in a lot of world music, aren't they?
What I also really love about this album is the visuals in the lyrics videos. Like here you have the lyre of Ur, in Shoemaker, the Moon and asteroids or comets (Shoemaker-Levy comet?), Tribal with the skeleton dance and Endlessness with the cosmic imagery, for example.
As old fan of the Nightwish, when i listened to this album and particular this song first time, I... didn't like it to much.... something like "well.... ok.... not bad, but could be better..."....
BUT!!! while istening to this album one and once again, i've noticed that every time i listen to it, I become addicted to it more and more, find an discover for myself interesting ad unusual parts...
And now, I catch myself on thoughts like "I wonder, will Tuomas be able to overcome himself, or this album still the best forever"...
It's pretty strange...
Maybe, the real genius of Tuomas and Nightwish is not to stay at the same place using old style over and over again, but to give us new feelings every new album.
Great channel đ
They always works with the same choire, from London
I saw interviews where Tuomas confirmed that the first disc has string ensemble and choirs only, no full orchestra, that's only used on the second disc.
Good reaction, Please do Howâs the hart , Planet rock, acoustic version, itâs very nice!
Debussy's a good comparison. There are Daphnis and Chloe vibes throughout several of the songs. I was particularly put in mind here of L'Cathedral Engloutie (The Engulfed Cathedral). Listen to Stokowski's orchestration of same. Also some of Jacques Ibert and the other French impressionists.
Yeah! Exactly! French impressionists is probably a more accurate way to say it, I picked Debussy because he's my ideal representation of impressionism, but in truth it's much broader than that. And let me say, French Impressionism is by far my favorite musical era.
@@ElvannReacts Aw, you're a romantic ;). From that period, try some Charles Touremeire (the last 5 minutes of his 6th symphony are how I think of Floor). Also Joseph Jongen (an organ symphony that rivals Saint-Saens).
I don't purchase CD's since 2007 or 08.. and when I heard this, the next morning, I had one thing in mind. Go buy this album , on principe đ just take my money and give me this masterpiece đ€
My first reaction was that I hadn't heard anything quite like it, but it's beautiful.
Itâs the way Floor delivers the songs and what she makes me feel listening to Nightwish songs.
And that doesnât happen to me so much with Tarja, even though she is a hell of a singer.
If you pay attention, the birds in the background are setting a rhythm, then adjust to the drums...rather ingenious of our beloved master composer
I love this album Music is a great start this magnificent album Tuomas is such a musical genius.
Original idea Tuomas had for Music was to go over the history of music incorporating as many musical styles as possible. He said when he made the demo of that it was horrible, and he mentioned that this song was his biggest challenge on the album.
In this Q&A
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There are two bands in the world today that have no boundaries on their influences. Nightwish, and Band-Maid. Both borrow freely from classical, jazz, funk, rock, metal.. you name it.
How can you cry with laughter?!?!?!? Listen to Floor sing Toumas` songs....
I think the first listen to this song is quite challenging for most Nightwish fans but I have to admit that it sounds really cool now I have listened to it quite a few times these last couple of days. I wonder if the vocal patterns may be traditional from the past as were the instruments? Tribal drums, the first know harp from 2800bc or so the bone whistle etc. That would be a very Tuomas thing.
After I heard that song for the first time, I started to wonder whether Toumas might be trying to push Floor towards becoming something like a coloratura soprano.
just wait for Shoemaker :D
Great song; out of everything on the album, this one has grown on me the most. I hear some Sondheim influences in the opening verses.
Question!! please answer? Which one of Sondheim musicals?
I Thought the same, it fits the musical theater genre, but mixing it with some classical rock influences.
Im a long time fan of Nightwish, im a fan from the beginning, sice angel fall first. I thought i never say this but Floor is overcome Tarja even in the opera part.
You'll love Shoemaker!