He still owes you an apology for that, I feel like this fits the legal definition of defamation or slander. Maybe even libel? I don't know if the medium excuses it from being libel since it isn't written, though it is published. Him restoring the videos actually proves that he stands by his obviously slanderous content, however, which gives you even more of a right to pursue this. It may seem frivolous, but this is somebody aggressively attacking your character and falsifying your statements.
@@dissraps Thank you, someone had to say it. It's not even just boxed copies going extinct on the market, collectors will buy huge lots of cartridges they already have to get one awful obscure unlicensed game they will never play. The future is either emulation or paying collectors 10k to get a cracked cartridge without a label.
@@dissraps How many people who "just want to PLAY the games" are worried about investing the time/space/money into original hardware and software? They have options like emulation.
@@plebisMaximus Lmao. Most collectors will sell the duplicates after buying a lot like that. Nothing is going "extinct" on the market, it's just not a cheap hobby anymore cause people realized there's money to be made.
@@lifestyle936 yep mostly investors so they can sell them when the price jumps up or just people that like seeing their childhood memories in good condition
Sealed VHS is even dumber, because to assess the quality of a VHS tape you'd have to open and watch it to ensure the tape still works, because magnetic tape goes bad and is much more fragile than old chips and PCBs.
The two funniest thing about Mad Dog: 1. His opening point was "Karl WHO???? Never heard of him!" And he himself has 300 subscribers. 300. 2. He acted like sealed video games were the hill he was prepared to die on, definitely not a speculative market.. and hes out of video games now, and into VHS and movie posters. He knew exactly what the market was and was planning to jump soon all along.
Yep and I thought cryptobros were deranged. Those caught up in this sort of thing never want to admit they blew their life savings on it. Same goes for a lot of things.
@@bretton_woods and they're trying to get hood kids to "invest" all their cash on this crapola(into their pocket) with the american dream talk shit. and the american dream achieving they're pushing for in this isn't even making a game and getting successful! ITS JUST BORROWING MONEY AND BUYING SHIT!
Someone commented this on Karl’s video as well. A collector would most likely not defend Wata or the video game pricing. That is what an investor would do.
An INVESTOR makes money from good solid investements. A SPECULATOR emotionally feels like something is a good bet and puts a ton of money into because they just know it's gonna be big. This guy is a SPECULATOR
When I saw Karl's video this week, my first and only thought was "I can not WAIT to hear Pat's response to this crap" and as usual you do not disappoint. Thank you! PS: Had to add something you just mentioned from Mad Dog's video -- when he said "people who aren't even collectors gobbled it up" I said this in Karl's comments too -- I've been a collector since the 90's and I still remember when you could take a $20 bill to FuncoLand and leave with 50 NES and SNES games. I've seen prices rise, I've seen prices fall, but until these speculators came along, I never saw them rise ASTRONOMICALLY overnight. We didn't just gobble up Karl's video, we saw what these sealed game collectors are doing, and now we see people trying to sell dirt common Atari 2600 games for $25 at pawn shops because they've been convinced all this stuff is made of gold when it's NOT.
@@zmbigmr Collecting sealed isn’t the issue. Pump and dumping a market and thereby ruining a beloved hobby for TRUE fans (not these cheesy-ass speculators) is what we take issue with. Beyond that, collect whatever the hell you want.
@@zmbigmr I collect games I care about and play them. I don't buy games to only ever stare at them in an acrylic case. I'm going for a full GameCube set because I love the console, as one example.
@@justsayin4632 I posted something similar on Karls video. Truly the most poorly thought out "argument" ever. An this, kids, is why you don't use words that you don't know the meaning of.
It’s worth noting that the clip he used also predated the scandal. Pat would have at least not been giving Wata any praise if the scandal had broken at that time.
I was awaiting your response, especially after hearing him use you guys to defend the shenanigans going on with WATA and Heritage. This did not disappoint.
As a person who has collected videogames in the past (for nostalgia, not money) I can safely say to newcomers who want to experience these games DON'T BOTHER. You can get all the relevent games on modern systems for a fraction of the prices and in most cases in compilations and for everything else there is emulation. Don't be a sheep, have money to eat!
I've had one of these clowns coming in the store and they were flashing their collection on their phones and they had some pieces with them, I just talked about the games and how fun they were and they litterally knew nothing about them, only how rare and mystical they were. I moved on to my next customer, they were insulted and yelled at me for ignoring them. Go wank in your money!
It's generally talentless people who attribute self worth to things they bought on ebay. They aren't talented in any games, math, sports, art, music, science, literature, but they sure want you believe they are because they bought something.
@@AmazingFrenchman 😂✌️ I'm so confused I barely remember this. Salty me. My emotion transcends what I believe, despite that being the truth I believe. what truth? that truthful enlightenment is required one step at a time if we chill......... ☁️science? math? you can do both. one at a time, and they are both be same.
@@dissraps nobody's mad, if someone comes in a store to buy nothing and just flash games they own to people there and look like a douche because they clearly know nothing of them and they just want people to be impressed.... I will just move on to a paying customer, not only like a good employee but as a good manager.
I don't see the value in SEALED collections. Complete-in-box in pristine condition? Sure. But Sealed in box is Schroedingers Game... I can say that 99/100 times the game is in the sealed box. But I have purchased a SEALED copy of FEAR 2 from the store I worked at, freshly shipped... only to find a Lost Planet demo disc inside. I also bought a Switch "The World Ends With You" to discover no game in it at all! Sealed is useless to me because without opening the box, you have no idea if you even have any game at all!
If that guy cares so much about owning those sealed games, it'd be on his best interest that their value tanks so he can add more games to he's treasured collection for less money. All the games I own are now worth 6 to 10x what I payed for them, some are 100x what I payed. I have no intent on selling them and I wish their price would decrease drastically so I can go back to buying awesome games for cheap.
This dude isn't a collector, he's an investor. He nor the people running WATA actually care about gaming as a hobby or art, they view it as a way to make money. I have been playing games since I was 4, I collect games I care about. I'm going for a full GameCube set, I'm half way there. I could care less about getting some heavy hitters like Path of Radiance graded. I actually want the option to play it.
that dude has loads of sealed stuff he hasn't seen or played, not even as a warez copy. plus look if you're into retro gaming and stuff, how wouldn't you not have heard of karl during silly bitchells burn and rodd todgers dragster saga.
I've been building my NES collection slowly for about 25 years now. Never understood collecting boxes or even manuals or games you don't play. Seeing this stuff makes me glad I'm not apart of that world. Its all about enjoying these games.
I can appreciate collecting boxes and manuals, I actually wish I kept more cases and manuals especially. Could even see some rare sealed things (as an extra copy or one of a kind), but not a game I think is bad like Hudson Hawk or something really common. And certainly not to the point it had become once speculators and normies got involved.
ultimately i think what is or isn't important in collecting is and should be very personal. i like having genuine games, so i don't buy repros on etsy, and i like having my games nicely displayed, but i don't give too much of a shit if the cover art is original or is a print from the cover project on nice paper. other people only care about experiencing the game in some form, or about owning it (even if they can't play it) or about having a pristine, sealed copy of games that are important to them. those all seem fine, and i think it's probably a good thing if there's diversity in what people seek out- otherwise, you ger huge bubbles for one particular version of a game or whatever. i will say if you only want _a_ version of a game and playing it isn't that important, buy shit from buyee lol almost everything is insanely cheaper in japan
The funniest part of that guys video is at the end he basically negates everything he said by revealing he is in fact an investor and has money tied up in WATA...
I hate people like that. They ruin the hobby for everyone else. Don't let anyone confuse what it is. It is a hobby. Some consider it a lifestyle or a personality, but when people use it as an investment it ruins it for everyone.
I've been watching Pat for 8 years on and off. Pat is one of the most honest, direct, wholesome, game collectors in the community and I love the fact that he does what he does.
I was waiting for this. As someone that has been watching you since Pat the NES punk, all the flea market madness episodes, the video game years, and clips from the podcast on CZcams… my jaw was on the floor with the way you were represented in that Maddog video. Unbelievable.
It's pretty crazy how many people are willing to lie and libel you just for a fruitless smokescreen for the sealed video game investor community. You can tell how terrified they are about people waking up.
They underestimated the real collectors and players who have been in this for decades. They’re being called out by people who know this stuff better than they ever will, and they can’t handle it.
I've long considered Pat an expert. From his own channel to the Video Game Years to the podcast. Pat knows what's up. He's a true collector. I HIGHLY respect him Same with Ian. And now the same with Karl. Stay strong, guys! Keep doing what you do! Your voices NEED to be in this community.
I've been waiting for this since Karl revealed that they roped Pat into this as a full source, not realizing that he wasn't really ever a source at all (no offense). Karl had a huge number of other references and people that were in the loop, but to rope Pat into it because he was a collector himself...
See the thing is you guys aren't winning this argument because you don't have a dark background, music playing, and you didn't play any clips from movies or tv shows. Me smart smart need funny reference to agree with man. Edit: i didn't realize the dude only had 600 subscribers, He's definitely just replying to a video that has millions of views just so he can get the truth out there! Surely He's not doing it to ride the tail of it! Any engagement is good engagement am I right?
No game out there is legitimately worth a million dollars. The sports card market has been a market of incremental value for years and a Gem mint Jordan rookie card selling for 100,000 dollars does not surprise me one bit but any Nintendo game selling for that amount does not make sense. The most any vhs that can sell is 10,000 bucks which would be a copy of tales from the quadead zone and absolutely nothing else.
It’s like that simpsons where Homer gets framed for sexual harassment and he goes on a tv interview to clear his name, only for the tape to get cut so it seems like he’s saying “sweet can”
“collecting for a year” 🤣🤣🤣 lightweight, when you have been collecting for decades, than we can talk, else you don’t really understand this hobby/market.
He's not a collector. He's an investor. And I'm not talking like investor in the community or something. No, I'm talking big company tier of investment. The kind of investor who's willing to defame, lie and cheat in order to secure that his investment gives profit. So glad you made this recording, pat.
Imagine if he invested that money into a product that can provide a safe gaming experience instead of all the nudity, sex, and violence out there. A system like the AMICO!
Yeah the idiot took the video down the first time. Been reuploaded it disabling the comments that just shows how coward ladies people are. They knew they were wrong.
I suppose you can take solace in the fact that the same people who claim you're irrelevant are the same ones who lose their minds whenever you say anything...
Two things I want to say… 1) huge thanks to you and Ian for staying on this topic. I have agreed with absolutely everything you’ve both said. 2) I’m a gamer AND a collector of around 20-25 years. Is it just me or is it too fkn much to ask that these people actually play a game or two? These sealed-only people are just such a bunch of assholes. Let’s be honest here, these rich folks are just pissed off that the rest of us don’t seem to know our place.
If I had to choose between the greatest hits version of Spyro the Dragon and the version without that, I'll take either. I want to play it not collect it.
It always amuses me when someone cuts up video/audio or any material in order to make someone else look bad or to change a narrative just because of how ridiculous that line of thinking is. I guess these people assume nobody will fact check anything or look at the actual source material. In all fairness though the ones watching guys like "Mad Dog" and taking everything he says as undeniable truth probably weren't that smart to begin with 🤷♀ Keep calling these people out on their bs Pat! 👍
thats why vids like that do damage though, because the kids who want to be rich watching it and not being smart and then borrowing money to "make money" leading to ruined lives. it's not that different to promoting gambling.
This goes way beyond the video game industry. Tons of gen Z/gen x made a boatload in crypto, memestocks, and tech. They spent their money on anything they wanted. Guess what they wanted - the stuff from their childhood. They wanted it to collect AND to play. Both. They created scarcity which creates value. Then the leeches and resellers and “investors” leech the leftover pennies off of one another. This happened across industries and was particularly acute in collectibles of all kinds.
The biggest issue I have with the Mad Dog video is, you are supposed to say, up front, when your video is sponsored by a company and it is clear that video was sponsored by WATA.
The more prices drop, the happier *true* collectors will be. “Mad dog” clearly ain’t in it for the love. Props to you guys and Karl for calling out this BS, hopefully these investor types lose a ton of money and it drives away speculators and the rest of us can all go back to buying games at reasonable prices
Whether you said it or not, I couldn't possibly consider the misquote on opening games *"slander"* I'm a video game collector. I have been collecting for more than 25 years, and I *absolutely say* that people should rip open their sealed games. If the definition of a "collector" is someone who doesn't care about that actual game inside, and just wants to make a profit, then "collectors" can go **** themselves.
For that matter, I also don't give a shit whether my "bros." is on the left or on the right - No one ever talked about that when I started collecting. It's fair that some people care, but I can never understand that. At that point it's no longer about the games. :/
I like how Bruce Willis wannabe brings up comics with Pat's "Amazing Fantasy" 15 rant, but fails to mention why Pat brought it up...people are being priced out of the market by "collectors" who want to artificially drive up the market by hoarding
Yeah that nerdy girl collector has done some shady stuff in the comic world 🗺️ these influencers try to manipulate the markets 🤷♂️ it’s just a pump an dump for them
it bothered me that karl acted like this was a spirited and friendly debate meanwhile mad dog was pulling every lie and twisted sentence he could muster out to smear pat and karl and acted in nothing but bad faith. but ultimately it shows that he's the bigger person between him and mad dog
I'm a fan of Karl's videos, as well as your podcast. I loved the clip of Mad Dog insinuating that investors are "real collectors" while Pat, who has been collecting for literal decades and been heavily involved with knowing and understanding the market & hobby for all that time. That on its own was enough to show that Mad Dog was either lying, or incredibly uninformed on the topic.
If seal collecting wasn't a get rich quick scheme, they should be happier if sealed game prices dropped from tens of thousands of dollars to a few hundred dollars in right??????
The New England metal detecting/colonial artifact hunting hobby is basically this. Trade out the cart for an old coin or a rare button and you have basically the same thing. Same people, same jive talkin' tactics etc. Love you guy's content, keep it up.
I used to collect retro games. Really just wanted the games I had in my youth that I lost over the years. I never owned anything that was particularly rare but even then it was too damn expensive. I sold most of them and just buy mini consoles or play the retro games on the switch. In the end playing them is the important part.
I mentioned it under Karl's video too, but from the outset of that guy's video when he says are games an investible asset is everything what's wrong with this current system of economy and thought. Reducing everything to an investment is mind rot, a cancer and a blight on humanity and needs to be dealt with and left where it belongs: the trash heap of history.
Honestly I've been following this ridiculous saga since the stories of the WATA Grading Company started making rounds, especially with Pat the NES Punk here, honestly the fact that Pat was the first or one of the first people to point out suspicions that WATA was up to no good Is quite an impressive feat have under your belt, honestly I've been having concern for the Retro Market since the whole outrageous pricing for old games have gotten so stupid that for some games I hold near and dear to me and for systems I collect for have been made grossly unobtainable thanks to these prices and making Piracy look real friendly.
I've run across many modern era resellers that are serious dinks on top of an army of narcissists flipping retro games for profit. They get super defensive any time anyone brings up market manipulation or fraud.
The best way to fight this is to break them seals... it's honestly getting crazy for graded games. Would love to get a few of these seal games and break them open.
Update: Comments on Mad Dog's video with the lies has been restored. Also there is an over 1 hr interview with Mad Dog and Karl on his channel. It is the same as always Karl destroyed him.
Great video guys I had no idea this was even going on... I would love to hear your opinions on this documentary I found and now know, thanks to you guys, it has to do with them responding to Karl's original video. It's called Rarity: Retro Video Game Collecting in the Modern Era Looking back at it now that I know all this, it seems like a puff piece to say how awesome Wata and Deniz Kahn are. If you guys have not seen it, give it a watch and give it a talk session for us all. I also wonder if the CZcamsrs that appear in it knew the Wata Deniz stuff was going to be in the final film?
I have a very humble collection but I care a lot about this stuff and i respect the hell out of y’all and Karl - I discovered you through the AVGN episode years ago and went down the rabbit hole. Really glad you made this response video - I knew it was a hoax but I really wanted to see what y’all had to say about it.
I’ve collected a lot of different things throughout my life, and I’ve made use of all of them. Holding on to a bunch of untouched anything, whether it be Ferraris or action figures, is hoarding, imho. To each their own, naturally
There's something important to note about when Mad Dog criticizes Karl for not reporting on the positive things Pat said about Wata. Mad Dog criticizes Karl for both chosing to run with a negative story instead of a positive story and criticizes Karl for not including the positive things Pat said in his negative story. There is no obligation on the part of the reporter to report on unrelated positive aspects of a company when detailing their shady practices. If the positive aspects were related, say Wata put out a statement saying they would be less shady in the future or something, then yeah. It's probably important to note that. But the fact that Wata offers a good product in comparison to VGA has NOTHING to do with their shady practices. That criticism is equivalent to be criticizing a journalist for not mentioning that ENRON customers had fewer blackouts than PG&E customers when reporting on ENRON's financial crimes. And criticizing Karl for choosing to report on Wata's shady business practices instead of reporting on their good product is similarly asinine. To borrow the same analogy, that is equivalent to criticizing a reporter for choosing to report on ENRON's fraud instead of reporting on their superior electricity uptimes. It's an absolutely absurd criticism that just... it's hard to overstate how weak and meaningless that argument is. Truly breathtaking lack of logic on Mad Dog's part. It implies that a reporter, when deciding what to cover, simply chooses a company to report on and then chooses what aspect of that company they're going to report on. No! No no no, it makes NO SENSE. Karl is talking about Wata BECAUSE they had shitty business practices. That's the whole point! How a criticism like that could come out of someone's mouth in a scripted video is beyond me. I can't get over it, seriously lol.
Man i remember 15+ years ago when I only seen collectible cards like sporting cards and mtg being graded by PSA and BVG but now people seem to be grading anything and everything, I was blown away when you said people are grading VHS tapes! Thats insane!
I'm going on 50 and started collecting around 1990-91 and the people that came in for money annoy me. Along with the people that brag like a video game collection is a retirement fund. Prices will go down eventually bc 10-20 yrs ago I wouldn't have thought about selling my collection off but at almost 50 I've been getting ready to let it go. Everyone gets old the interest will wan
Note, since our recording, "Mad Dog" has restored the videos on his channel. His video lying about Karl and me has the comments turned off.
Bad Doggie
Comments turned off is sooooo telling about what kind of reactions he got!
He still owes you an apology for that, I feel like this fits the legal definition of defamation or slander. Maybe even libel? I don't know if the medium excuses it from being libel since it isn't written, though it is published.
Him restoring the videos actually proves that he stands by his obviously slanderous content, however, which gives you even more of a right to pursue this. It may seem frivolous, but this is somebody aggressively attacking your character and falsifying your statements.
@@tolindaniel
Pat should sue!
Where’s the newspaper! Bad Dog! Bad Dog!
I really hate these kind of 'investor' people. They just ruin the fun for actual gamers and collectors.
@@dissraps Nah, speculative investors are way worse. An actual disease upon this earth.
@@dissraps Thank you, someone had to say it. It's not even just boxed copies going extinct on the market, collectors will buy huge lots of cartridges they already have to get one awful obscure unlicensed game they will never play. The future is either emulation or paying collectors 10k to get a cracked cartridge without a label.
@@dissraps Don't be mad that legitimate collectors have dedicated more time out of their lives collecting and playing their games than you have.
@@dissraps How many people who "just want to PLAY the games" are worried about investing the time/space/money into original hardware and software? They have options like emulation.
@@plebisMaximus Lmao. Most collectors will sell the duplicates after buying a lot like that. Nothing is going "extinct" on the market, it's just not a cheap hobby anymore cause people realized there's money to be made.
Honestly, the sealed VHS "collection" told me all I needed to know about this guy. Karl's rebuttal was just the icing on the cake.
What about VHS btw?
spot on!
People collect sealed VHS now?
@@lifestyle936 yep mostly investors so they can sell them when the price jumps up or just people that like seeing their childhood memories in good condition
Sealed VHS is even dumber, because to assess the quality of a VHS tape you'd have to open and watch it to ensure the tape still works, because magnetic tape goes bad and is much more fragile than old chips and PCBs.
I'm really glad the retro gaming scene has people like Pat, Ian and Karl in it. Thank you guys. Hopefully the drama isn't too thick. Stay strong.
This all started with Those Nintendoage scumbags like Dain etc. They raped the hobby of NES collecting and from there it only got Worse.
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Mad Dog Collection is not even a real human. He/She is a robot created by WATA out of a toaster.
That's an insult to a toaster.
I thought he was just a giant thumb with eyebrows.
Johnny 5 is alive!
The two funniest thing about Mad Dog:
1. His opening point was "Karl WHO???? Never heard of him!" And he himself has 300 subscribers. 300.
2. He acted like sealed video games were the hill he was prepared to die on, definitely not a speculative market.. and hes out of video games now, and into VHS and movie posters. He knew exactly what the market was and was planning to jump soon all along.
Just in case anyone wanted to know just how fragile that investor/collector group is, we have that guy’s video.
Yep and I thought cryptobros were deranged. Those caught up in this sort of thing never want to admit they blew their life savings on it. Same goes for a lot of things.
@@bretton_woods and they're trying to get hood kids to "invest" all their cash on this crapola(into their pocket) with the american dream talk shit.
and the american dream achieving they're pushing for in this isn't even making a game and getting successful! ITS JUST BORROWING MONEY AND BUYING SHIT!
LMAO
We?
And to see how fragile the collector/gamer community is just look here.
Let's be clear, he's NOT a collector, he's an INVESTOR.
Quite the difference.
Someone commented this on Karl’s video as well. A collector would most likely not defend Wata or the video game pricing. That is what an investor would do.
An INVESTOR makes money from good solid investements. A SPECULATOR emotionally feels like something is a good bet and puts a ton of money into because they just know it's gonna be big. This guy is a SPECULATOR
@@blakasmurf that's fair.
@@blakasmurfwell said.
When I saw Karl's video this week, my first and only thought was "I can not WAIT to hear Pat's response to this crap" and as usual you do not disappoint. Thank you! PS: Had to add something you just mentioned from Mad Dog's video -- when he said "people who aren't even collectors gobbled it up" I said this in Karl's comments too -- I've been a collector since the 90's and I still remember when you could take a $20 bill to FuncoLand and leave with 50 NES and SNES games. I've seen prices rise, I've seen prices fall, but until these speculators came along, I never saw them rise ASTRONOMICALLY overnight. We didn't just gobble up Karl's video, we saw what these sealed game collectors are doing, and now we see people trying to sell dirt common Atari 2600 games for $25 at pawn shops because they've been convinced all this stuff is made of gold when it's NOT.
These clowns can collect all the sealed games they want.
I play my games.
I do both. Not sure if that is wrong though?🤷♂️
@@zmbigmr you're not a true gamer, apparently. 🤷🏼♀️
@@zmbigmr Collecting sealed isn’t the issue. Pump and dumping a market and thereby ruining a beloved hobby for TRUE fans (not these cheesy-ass speculators) is what we take issue with. Beyond that, collect whatever the hell you want.
@@zmbigmr it's only wrong if you can't pay your bills or feed your kids 😎🤙
@@zmbigmr I collect games I care about and play them. I don't buy games to only ever stare at them in an acrylic case. I'm going for a full GameCube set because I love the console, as one example.
I'm British and let me state categorically - there's no way we'd rip the top off King Tut's sarcophagus.
I thought that was the dumbest analogy too. That’s more akin to a coffin than a bed. 🤪
@@justsayin4632 I posted something similar on Karls video. Truly the most poorly thought out "argument" ever.
An this, kids, is why you don't use words that you don't know the meaning of.
Plus, a sarcophagus isn't a bloody bed, the whole damned thing was flawed. Lol
Pat: "I don't like attacking rich people for growing up with money..." Ian: "I do." LMAO, love you Ian.
Hearing “ignoring what Pat said positive about WATA” makes you laugh pretty damn hard when you’ve followed this podcast for years.
Even in the clip he showed it's clear Pat was just praising WATA's marketing as better than VGA's, which doesn't mean WATA as a whole is good/ethical.
It's like mad dogsh!t thinks we're all stupid.
It’s worth noting that the clip he used also predated the scandal. Pat would have at least not been giving Wata any praise if the scandal had broken at that time.
I was awaiting your response, especially after hearing him use you guys to defend the shenanigans going on with WATA and Heritage. This did not disappoint.
As a person who has collected videogames in the past (for nostalgia, not money) I can safely say to newcomers who want to experience these games DON'T BOTHER. You can get all the relevent games on modern systems for a fraction of the prices and in most cases in compilations and for everything else there is emulation. Don't be a sheep, have money to eat!
Lol. Totally agree. My budget for retro games is just what I've spent on USB controllers over the years.
A great tip. I'm doing something in-between, I like to collect the systems themselves, but then I buy flashcarts for actually playing games.
I've had one of these clowns coming in the store and they were flashing their collection on their phones and they had some pieces with them, I just talked about the games and how fun they were and they litterally knew nothing about them, only how rare and mystical they were. I moved on to my next customer, they were insulted and yelled at me for ignoring them. Go wank in your money!
It's generally talentless people who attribute self worth to things they bought on ebay. They aren't talented in any games, math, sports, art, music, science, literature, but they sure want you believe they are because they bought something.
@@AmazingFrenchman you on internet explorer?
@@AmazingFrenchman 😂✌️ I'm so confused I barely remember this. Salty me. My emotion transcends what I believe, despite that being the truth I believe. what truth? that truthful enlightenment is required one step at a time if we chill......... ☁️science? math? you can do both. one at a time, and they are both be same.
@@Tocinos weird dude that reply wasnt meant for you... youtube app is fucked up hahah!
@@dissraps nobody's mad, if someone comes in a store to buy nothing and just flash games they own to people there and look like a douche because they clearly know nothing of them and they just want people to be impressed.... I will just move on to a paying customer, not only like a good employee but as a good manager.
I don't see the value in SEALED collections. Complete-in-box in pristine condition? Sure. But Sealed in box is Schroedingers Game... I can say that 99/100 times the game is in the sealed box.
But I have purchased a SEALED copy of FEAR 2 from the store I worked at, freshly shipped... only to find a Lost Planet demo disc inside. I also bought a Switch "The World Ends With You" to discover no game in it at all!
Sealed is useless to me because without opening the box, you have no idea if you even have any game at all!
If that guy cares so much about owning those sealed games, it'd be on his best interest that their value tanks so he can add more games to he's treasured collection for less money. All the games I own are now worth 6 to 10x what I payed for them, some are 100x what I payed. I have no intent on selling them and I wish their price would decrease drastically so I can go back to buying awesome games for cheap.
Exactly
Exactly.. and this is how we know the dude has little love of gaming, he's just in it for money.
This dude isn't a collector, he's an investor. He nor the people running WATA actually care about gaming as a hobby or art, they view it as a way to make money.
I have been playing games since I was 4, I collect games I care about. I'm going for a full GameCube set, I'm half way there. I could care less about getting some heavy hitters like Path of Radiance graded. I actually want the option to play it.
that dude has loads of sealed stuff he hasn't seen or played, not even as a warez copy.
plus look if you're into retro gaming and stuff, how wouldn't you not have heard of karl during silly bitchells burn and rodd todgers dragster saga.
I've been building my NES collection slowly for about 25 years now. Never understood collecting boxes or even manuals or games you don't play. Seeing this stuff makes me glad I'm not apart of that world. Its all about enjoying these games.
Totally agreed.
I can appreciate collecting boxes and manuals, I actually wish I kept more cases and manuals especially. Could even see some rare sealed things (as an extra copy or one of a kind), but not a game I think is bad like Hudson Hawk or something really common. And certainly not to the point it had become once speculators and normies got involved.
ultimately i think what is or isn't important in collecting is and should be very personal. i like having genuine games, so i don't buy repros on etsy, and i like having my games nicely displayed, but i don't give too much of a shit if the cover art is original or is a print from the cover project on nice paper. other people only care about experiencing the game in some form, or about owning it (even if they can't play it) or about having a pristine, sealed copy of games that are important to them. those all seem fine, and i think it's probably a good thing if there's diversity in what people seek out- otherwise, you ger huge bubbles for one particular version of a game or whatever.
i will say if you only want _a_ version of a game and playing it isn't that important, buy shit from buyee lol almost everything is insanely cheaper in japan
"Mad Dog" seems like the kind of guy who sells you your own stereo.
The funniest part of that guys video is at the end he basically negates everything he said by revealing he is in fact an investor and has money tied up in WATA...
I hate people like that. They ruin the hobby for everyone else. Don't let anyone confuse what it is. It is a hobby. Some consider it a lifestyle or a personality, but when people use it as an investment it ruins it for everyone.
I've been watching Pat for 8 years on and off. Pat is one of the most honest, direct, wholesome, game collectors in the community and I love the fact that he does what he does.
I liked all the drama club hand gestures and how smug he was.
Ah, a man of culture i see.
I was waiting for this. As someone that has been watching you since Pat the NES punk, all the flea market madness episodes, the video game years, and clips from the podcast on CZcams… my jaw was on the floor with the way you were represented in that Maddog video. Unbelievable.
Same! And after watching Karl have a one on one with this d bag I was shocked at what this guy seemed to believe as reality
Listening to this knob end a second time wasn't any easier. I'm glad you guys added your thoughts to Karl's. Thanks guys
It's pretty crazy how many people are willing to lie and libel you just for a fruitless smokescreen for the sealed video game investor community. You can tell how terrified they are about people waking up.
They underestimated the real collectors and players who have been in this for decades. They’re being called out by people who know this stuff better than they ever will, and they can’t handle it.
What "lies" did Karl say exactly?
I think you mean slander right? Libel is written down. But yeah, people are full of shit
I hope it's a bubble and then everything gets cheaper. The retro game bubble of 2023? It sounds like an economic bubble situation
I've long considered Pat an expert. From his own channel to the Video Game Years to the podcast. Pat knows what's up. He's a true collector. I HIGHLY respect him Same with Ian. And now the same with Karl. Stay strong, guys! Keep doing what you do! Your voices NEED to be in this community.
These are the same people that ruined comic books as a hobby.
I've been waiting for this since Karl revealed that they roped Pat into this as a full source, not realizing that he wasn't really ever a source at all (no offense).
Karl had a huge number of other references and people that were in the loop, but to rope Pat into it because he was a collector himself...
Pat knew people were going to be hot on this one, with the delayed released and big premier lol
See the thing is you guys aren't winning this argument because you don't have a dark background, music playing, and you didn't play any clips from movies or tv shows. Me smart smart need funny reference to agree with man.
Edit: i didn't realize the dude only had 600 subscribers, He's definitely just replying to a video that has millions of views just so he can get the truth out there! Surely He's not doing it to ride the tail of it! Any engagement is good engagement am I right?
Sounds similar to some other small channels who like to trash talk Pat for telling the truth about a console whose name ends in -mico.
Six hundred? I'M pretty close to that, and I'm a nobody!
Your comment like your handle and avatar sir are badass. 👍
@@KingKool2099 continue uploading you'll grow
@@IeeIee778 Well, thank you, but I'm old now, so I probably will never 'make it.' I still enjoy making videos every now and again.
I won't ever trust the guy who has only sealed GRADED items on his shelf and claims to be a collector.
No game out there is legitimately worth a million dollars. The sports card market has been a market of incremental value for years and a Gem mint Jordan rookie card selling for 100,000 dollars does not surprise me one bit but any Nintendo game selling for that amount does not make sense. The most any vhs that can sell is 10,000 bucks which would be a copy of tales from the quadead zone and absolutely nothing else.
Mad dog? More like SAD DOG. right guys? Lol
It’s like that simpsons where Homer gets framed for sexual harassment and he goes on a tv interview to clear his name, only for the tape to get cut so it seems like he’s saying “sweet can”
The chrome app for restoring the YT dislike counter still works and yes that Mad Dog video lying about Karl and Pat is still getting destroyed.
A sarcophagus is not a bed, they aren't meant for sleeping in 🤣
“collecting for a year” 🤣🤣🤣 lightweight, when you have been collecting for decades, than we can talk, else you don’t really understand this hobby/market.
Lol agreed and there are collectors who have sealed and unsealed games that are worth more than their graded garbage.
He's not a collector. He's an investor. And I'm not talking like investor in the community or something. No, I'm talking big company tier of investment. The kind of investor who's willing to defame, lie and cheat in order to secure that his investment gives profit. So glad you made this recording, pat.
Million dollar game he is holding there. Pat you better back off 😂
Does that million dollar game stop bullets?
@@MasterZebulin nah, but it’s a pretty cool piece of history!
@@Notesandcars Awesome.
Blow him away.
Imagine if he invested that money into a product that can provide a safe gaming experience instead of all the nudity, sex, and violence out there. A system like the AMICO!
"We used to champion our heroes" he says as a clip plays of Hulk Hogan marching down the ramp. What a cornball lol
Bald guy DELIBERATELY EDITED THAT CLIP to create a deception. It's despicable.
Yeah the idiot took the video down the first time. Been reuploaded it disabling the comments that just shows how coward ladies people are. They knew they were wrong.
I suppose you can take solace in the fact that the same people who claim you're irrelevant are the same ones who lose their minds whenever you say anything...
Two things I want to say… 1) huge thanks to you and Ian for staying on this topic. I have agreed with absolutely everything you’ve both said. 2) I’m a gamer AND a collector of around 20-25 years. Is it just me or is it too fkn much to ask that these people actually play a game or two? These sealed-only people are just such a bunch of assholes. Let’s be honest here, these rich folks are just pissed off that the rest of us don’t seem to know our place.
If I had to choose between the greatest hits version of Spyro the Dragon and the version without that, I'll take either. I want to play it not collect it.
I'd give this comment millions of likes if I could just for Spyro 👌
I know it makes little sense but I do like the long box variants of ps1 games and will generally get them above the other versions.
@@rogersherman5391 the artwork on the box was nicer on the long boxes
Remember when you could buy loose SMBs for less than a dollar
It always amuses me when someone cuts up video/audio or any material in order to make someone else look bad or to change a narrative just because of how ridiculous that line of thinking is. I guess these people assume nobody will fact check anything or look at the actual source material. In all fairness though the ones watching guys like "Mad Dog" and taking everything he says as undeniable truth probably weren't that smart to begin with 🤷♀ Keep calling these people out on their bs Pat! 👍
not many viewers originally, seems like the guy only has ~600 subscribers
thats why vids like that do damage though, because the kids who want to be rich watching it and not being smart and then borrowing money to "make money" leading to ruined lives. it's not that different to promoting gambling.
Most likely they’re bots
Edit lol: like that one above me 😂
This goes way beyond the video game industry. Tons of gen Z/gen x made a boatload in crypto, memestocks, and tech. They spent their money on anything they wanted. Guess what they wanted - the stuff from their childhood. They wanted it to collect AND to play. Both. They created scarcity which creates value. Then the leeches and resellers and “investors” leech the leftover pennies off of one another. This happened across industries and was particularly acute in collectibles of all kinds.
The biggest issue I have with the Mad Dog video is, you are supposed to say, up front, when your video is sponsored by a company and it is clear that video was sponsored by WATA.
Finally. Been looking forward to your response, Pat.
The more prices drop, the happier *true* collectors will be.
“Mad dog” clearly ain’t in it for the love. Props to you guys and Karl for calling out this BS, hopefully these investor types lose a ton of money and it drives away speculators and the rest of us can all go back to buying games at reasonable prices
So, I'm watching a video of two guys watching a video about a guy watching a video about a guy who watched a video and made his own.
Now that's meta
Lol Moby should have stuck with beefing with Eminem...
All the guy could do is attack the person. Not the facts.
Whether you said it or not, I couldn't possibly consider the misquote on opening games *"slander"*
I'm a video game collector. I have been collecting for more than 25 years, and I *absolutely say* that people should rip open their sealed games.
If the definition of a "collector" is someone who doesn't care about that actual game inside, and just wants to make a profit, then "collectors" can go **** themselves.
For that matter, I also don't give a shit whether my "bros." is on the left or on the right - No one ever talked about that when I started collecting.
It's fair that some people care, but I can never understand that. At that point it's no longer about the games. :/
I like how Bruce Willis wannabe brings up comics with Pat's "Amazing Fantasy" 15 rant, but fails to mention why Pat brought it up...people are being priced out of the market by "collectors" who want to artificially drive up the market by hoarding
Bruce Willis? I was thinking Howie Mandel 😂
@@bretton_woods a really sick Howie Mandel
He spent thousands of hours on his hobby. Jeez, tough break. I hope he got through it ok.
These guys are the kind of people that call themselves developers when they are just house flippers. There is a major distinction.
Yeah that nerdy girl collector has done some shady stuff in the comic world 🗺️ these influencers try to manipulate the markets 🤷♂️ it’s just a pump an dump for them
it bothered me that karl acted like this was a spirited and friendly debate meanwhile mad dog was pulling every lie and twisted sentence he could muster out to smear pat and karl and acted in nothing but bad faith. but ultimately it shows that he's the bigger person between him and mad dog
I'm a fan of Karl's videos, as well as your podcast. I loved the clip of Mad Dog insinuating that investors are "real collectors" while Pat, who has been collecting for literal decades and been heavily involved with knowing and understanding the market & hobby for all that time. That on its own was enough to show that Mad Dog was either lying, or incredibly uninformed on the topic.
This video has more views than Mad Dog's entire channel 😂
That seal though
In my country, we have this saying: "When you kick a rat, it tries to bite back."
If seal collecting wasn't a get rich quick scheme, they should be happier if sealed game prices dropped from tens of thousands of dollars to a few hundred dollars in right??????
Been watching pats vids for a while now and he's as authentic as it gets. 👌
Agreed
Congratulations Jay
The New England metal detecting/colonial artifact hunting hobby is basically this. Trade out the cart for an old coin or a rare button and you have basically the same thing. Same people, same jive talkin' tactics etc. Love you guy's content, keep it up.
Nice to see the "rare""expensive" retro games crowd is still around
Making old games into gold prices
I used to collect retro games. Really just wanted the games I had in my youth that I lost over the years. I never owned anything that was particularly rare but even then it was too damn expensive. I sold most of them and just buy mini consoles or play the retro games on the switch. In the end playing them is the important part.
I mentioned it under Karl's video too, but from the outset of that guy's video when he says are games an investible asset is everything what's wrong with this current system of economy and thought. Reducing everything to an investment is mind rot, a cancer and a blight on humanity and needs to be dealt with and left where it belongs: the trash heap of history.
my only issue with sealed cart games is some of them have a battery that can go bad and leak and then you paid 800$ for nothing
Another reason why I feel grading games is pointless
Honestly I've been following this ridiculous saga since the stories of the WATA Grading Company started making rounds, especially with Pat the NES Punk here, honestly the fact that Pat was the first or one of the first people to point out suspicions that WATA was up to no good Is quite an impressive feat have under your belt, honestly I've been having concern for the Retro Market since the whole outrageous pricing for old games have gotten so stupid that for some games I hold near and dear to me and for systems I collect for have been made grossly unobtainable thanks to these prices and making Piracy look real friendly.
When Pat says at 17:40 about the dentist guy, "anyone can spend money", I would like to point out that it's even easier to spend other people's money.
Tommy comes to mind...
I've run across many modern era resellers that are serious dinks on top of an army of narcissists flipping retro games for profit. They get super defensive any time anyone brings up market manipulation or fraud.
The best way to show you're a collector is to never play the games and then sell them...
The best way to fight this is to break them seals... it's honestly getting crazy for graded games. Would love to get a few of these seal games and break them open.
Buy them and open them, man! Stick it to those sealed/graded collectors!
@@dissraps wanna spot me some funds.
Man props to this guy for making the video calling them out on their video's bullshit bit by bit.
This guy Maddog sounds like a proper Colletionist 😁
Update: Comments on Mad Dog's video with the lies has been restored. Also there is an over 1 hr interview with Mad Dog and Karl on his channel. It is the same as always Karl destroyed him.
Imagine shouting at poor Pat for telling the truth she has some nerve 😂
Pat's better than me cause I would have been tempted to respond with a 👋
Actual collectors were pissed that these jerks were trying to turn their hobby into an unobtainable pipe dream.
Great video guys I had no idea this was even going on... I would love to hear your opinions on this documentary I found and now know, thanks to you guys, it has to do with them responding to Karl's original video. It's called Rarity: Retro Video Game Collecting in the Modern Era
Looking back at it now that I know all this, it seems like a puff piece to say how awesome Wata and Deniz Kahn are. If you guys have not seen it, give it a watch and give it a talk session for us all.
I also wonder if the CZcamsrs that appear in it knew the Wata Deniz stuff was going to be in the final film?
That's why I love your show and didn't know who that looser was.
I have a very humble collection but I care a lot about this stuff and i respect the hell out of y’all and Karl - I discovered you through the AVGN episode years ago and went down the rabbit hole. Really glad you made this response video - I knew it was a hoax but I really wanted to see what y’all had to say about it.
Name dropping hedge fund bankers makes me instantly suspicious...even if said hedge fund banker brought new life to my favorite baseball squadron.....
They should seal all those Munk bars in plastic to protect people from accidentally eating them. Great video
I’ve collected a lot of different things throughout my life, and I’ve made use of all of them. Holding on to a bunch of untouched anything, whether it be Ferraris or action figures, is hoarding, imho. To each their own, naturally
I refuse to call Mad Dog a collector. He is a speculator looking for a quick buck.
And now all those investors are losing their asses
I enjoy a good internet pissing match as much as the next guy, but you should learn the best revenge is ignoring someone's existence.
Off topic but I always like the start of Karl's videos. "Hello you absolute legends"
This guy looks like he is from the Brotherhood of Nod
There's something important to note about when Mad Dog criticizes Karl for not reporting on the positive things Pat said about Wata. Mad Dog criticizes Karl for both chosing to run with a negative story instead of a positive story and criticizes Karl for not including the positive things Pat said in his negative story.
There is no obligation on the part of the reporter to report on unrelated positive aspects of a company when detailing their shady practices. If the positive aspects were related, say Wata put out a statement saying they would be less shady in the future or something, then yeah. It's probably important to note that. But the fact that Wata offers a good product in comparison to VGA has NOTHING to do with their shady practices.
That criticism is equivalent to be criticizing a journalist for not mentioning that ENRON customers had fewer blackouts than PG&E customers when reporting on ENRON's financial crimes.
And criticizing Karl for choosing to report on Wata's shady business practices instead of reporting on their good product is similarly asinine. To borrow the same analogy, that is equivalent to criticizing a reporter for choosing to report on ENRON's fraud instead of reporting on their superior electricity uptimes. It's an absolutely absurd criticism that just... it's hard to overstate how weak and meaningless that argument is. Truly breathtaking lack of logic on Mad Dog's part.
It implies that a reporter, when deciding what to cover, simply chooses a company to report on and then chooses what aspect of that company they're going to report on. No! No no no, it makes NO SENSE.
Karl is talking about Wata BECAUSE they had shitty business practices. That's the whole point! How a criticism like that could come out of someone's mouth in a scripted video is beyond me. I can't get over it, seriously lol.
Mad Dog the "Straw Man" Liar!
Pat: I DONT OPEN SEALED GAMES !!
Ian: I do.
(Ian just like me.)
This is a mastercourse on argumentative fallacies.
Man i remember 15+ years ago when I only seen collectible cards like sporting cards and mtg being graded by PSA and BVG but now people seem to be grading anything and everything, I was blown away when you said people are grading VHS tapes! Thats insane!
I love the otter in the thumbnail lol
I'm going on 50 and started collecting around 1990-91 and the people that came in for money annoy me. Along with the people that brag like a video game collection is a retirement fund. Prices will go down eventually bc 10-20 yrs ago I wouldn't have thought about selling my collection off but at almost 50 I've been getting ready to let it go. Everyone gets old the interest will wan
I buy beat copies of comics for $0.50 all the time. I buy them to read not to make money off them.