You definitely don't need Spiff, but it is really good on a drum bus to increase bump and snap, quickly. Just saying - you don't need to spend a lot of money on plugins to get huge drums. Oeksound is a solid plugin company, but price wise - eh, watch out for a sale.
@@MrDddrrrggg Its an "adaptive transient processor, with frequency specific controls". haha - according to their page. Oeksound is all about frequency magic, based on what Sooth does so quickly. There are cheaper ways to do this on your own, with a bit more work. That's my point.
I still just use the stock native instrument transient plugin, so I hear you? But I like the way this one looks like a parametric eq. It’s not doing anything different than any OTHER transient shaper + track split feature. But it means I wouldn’t need to go into track splitter in Studio One in order to do this sort of thing. Now, if they’d include a full featured clipper module TO this? That’d be something worth doing. I’m guessing this idea has also been done, but I only ever see the clipper as an afterthought slider on the right. I mean a separate window where you can really play with it like a dedicated hard/soft clipper plug versus now instantiating a second plugin. I’ve noticed that when you use a multi effect plugin like ozone or neutron to do a few things, it is significantly less taxing than having them in stand alone, even if it’s the exact same thing. Same too goes for channel splitting and putting a transient shaper on different frequency ranges. I’ll therefore ask you a question in another response in case you likely haven’t read this far:
I still just use the stock native instrument transient plugin, so I hear you? But I like the way this one looks like a parametric eq. It’s not doing anything different than any OTHER transient shaper + track split feature. But it means I wouldn’t need to go into track splitter in Studio One in order to do this sort of thing. Now, if they’d include a full featured clipper module TO this? That’d be something worth doing. I’m guessing this idea has also been done, but I only ever see the clipper as an afterthought slider on the right. I mean a separate window where you can really play with it like a dedicated hard/soft clipper plug versus now instantiating a second plugin. I’ve noticed that when you use a multi effect plugin like ozone or neutron to do a few things, it is significantly less taxing than having them in stand alone, even if it’s the exact same thing. Same too goes for channel splitting and putting a transient shaper on different frequency ranges. I’ll therefore ask you a question in another response in case you likely haven’t read this far:
Dunno about the Haas effect it will make everything sound horrible in mono, i only ever use it on SFX sounds that are not super important in the mix but never on hi hats, i prefer other stereo enhancement methods over the Haas effect on hi hats. Another thing that i like to do is check if it sounds better with an inverted phase on layered similar sounds.
@@MusicByRelix another one you might want to know is: If you want your mix to not peak too much, you should either temporarily or permanently put a limiter on your master. It should lower the volume and distorted sound a little bit
Very informative, drums are one of my biggest challenges. I am still fairly new to Music Production and I find myself struggling with drums. I always feel like I'm missing something.
This is a very informative tutorial, but spending $149 on a plugin isn't always an option. Are there alternative methods for handling transients to get similar results?
Spectral Plugins - Pancz free multiband transient shaper. 😀 I wanna add he mentiones Venn Audio Free Clip which is great and very versatile but try out the also free Kazrog Clip Zero, it's simpler but it sounds really tasty! 😁
dimension expanders are very useful as well. also, for wider sounding hats you use the same sample on the left and right side as well as down the middle. you just drop the samples on the sides by a few semitones . this way you still have a similar sounding hat and its easier to mix, imo.
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You definitely don't need Spiff, but it is really good on a drum bus to increase bump and snap, quickly. Just saying - you don't need to spend a lot of money on plugins to get huge drums. Oeksound is a solid plugin company, but price wise - eh, watch out for a sale.
Isn’t spiff a frequency expander? Some sort of multiband compressor with upward expansion? Just get the best in the game, dmg multiplicity
@@MrDddrrrggg Its an "adaptive transient processor, with frequency specific controls". haha - according to their page. Oeksound is all about frequency magic, based on what Sooth does so quickly. There are cheaper ways to do this on your own, with a bit more work. That's my point.
I still just use the stock native instrument transient plugin, so I hear you? But I like the way this one looks like a parametric eq. It’s not doing anything different than any OTHER transient shaper + track split feature. But it means I wouldn’t need to go into track splitter in Studio One in order to do this sort of thing.
Now, if they’d include a full featured clipper module TO this? That’d be something worth doing. I’m guessing this idea has also been done, but I only ever see the clipper as an afterthought slider on the right. I mean a separate window where you can really play with it like a dedicated hard/soft clipper plug versus now instantiating a second plugin. I’ve noticed that when you use a multi effect plugin like ozone or neutron to do a few things, it is significantly less taxing than having them in stand alone, even if it’s the exact same thing. Same too goes for channel splitting and putting a transient shaper on different frequency ranges. I’ll therefore ask you a question in another response in case you likely haven’t read this far:
I still just use the stock native instrument transient plugin, so I hear you? But I like the way this one looks like a parametric eq. It’s not doing anything different than any OTHER transient shaper + track split feature. But it means I wouldn’t need to go into track splitter in Studio One in order to do this sort of thing.
Now, if they’d include a full featured clipper module TO this? That’d be something worth doing. I’m guessing this idea has also been done, but I only ever see the clipper as an afterthought slider on the right. I mean a separate window where you can really play with it like a dedicated hard/soft clipper plug versus now instantiating a second plugin. I’ve noticed that when you use a multi effect plugin like ozone or neutron to do a few things, it is significantly less taxing than having them in stand alone, even if it’s the exact same thing. Same too goes for channel splitting and putting a transient shaper on different frequency ranges. I’ll therefore ask you a question in another response in case you likely haven’t read this far:
How’s Spiff on cpu/ram/latency?
Dunno about the Haas effect it will make everything sound horrible in mono, i only ever use it on SFX sounds that are not super important in the mix but never on hi hats, i prefer other stereo enhancement methods over the Haas effect on hi hats.
Another thing that i like to do is check if it sounds better with an inverted phase on layered similar sounds.
i agree. Some say: Who needs mono? But it's still a fact to consider...
The last tip about panning 2 different but similiar sounds for width is a game changer!
Glad you enjoyed it! :)
That’s great, but can you show me how to do all this with the plugins that are already in Ableton?
great tutorial man! Helps a lot as always :)
I am just about starting my journey and working on my first ever track and find your content very helpful
Glad to help, and welcome to the most fun past time!
Pro tip:
Do not reverb bass if it's already boosted, playing low notes or playing fast.
@@PIZZAdayisback thanks I need all the help I can get 😂
@@MusicByRelix another one you might want to know is:
If you want your mix to not peak too much, you should either temporarily or permanently put a limiter on your master.
It should lower the volume and distorted sound a little bit
@@PIZZAdayisback thanks again. Once I upload my first track please feel free to pick it to bits and give me feedback. Should be finished very soon
very very nice and good tips! thanks to exist! Love your chanel
Thank you, glad you found it helpful! 🙂🙏🏻
Put NY compression on a return channel and dial in for extra weight. Maybe a future video/short for you Will.
Love it! Great tip :)
Very informative, drums are one of my biggest challenges. I am still fairly new to Music Production and I find myself struggling with drums. I always feel like I'm missing something.
Can you give a tutorial on how to mix clean guitars or cool reverb tricks with distorted synths?
Great suggestion, I will add this to my very long list :)
@@EDMTips thanks!
This is a very informative tutorial, but spending $149 on a plugin isn't always an option. Are there alternative methods for handling transients to get similar results?
Kilohearts has a free transient shaper if I remember correctly
Fair enough. You can focus on other 4 techniques to get your drums sound bigger
Spectral Plugins - Pancz free multiband transient shaper. 😀
I wanna add he mentiones Venn Audio Free Clip which is great and very versatile but try out the also free Kazrog Clip Zero, it's simpler but it sounds really tasty! 😁
Isn't there something that comes with Ableton Suite that could do the same thing as "StandardCLIP"?
dimension expanders are very useful as well. also, for wider sounding hats you use the same sample on the left and right side as well as down the middle. you just drop the samples on the sides by a few semitones . this way you still have a similar sounding hat and its easier to mix, imo.
Great point, thanks for sharing!
got £129 spare mate
The stomp thing you were talking about is basically a timpani.
So clip transients then expanded them, or expand them then clip em. Da.
go ahead
Get another plug-in! Why don’t we ask why the native effects in Ableton suck?
Oeksound really good plugins wouldn’t pay £129.00 tho
M8, a channel for beginners n intermediates and u bust out spiff…
gettum!
Who said it was it was for beginners and intermediaries only?
@@EDMTips fair enough , ur channel n run it how u like, not bad advice but I’m sure some people would appreciate an alternative to $159
instructions for dummies?