3 pilots TUNE the same FPV Drone
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- čas přidán 15. 12. 2019
- Bardwell, Drew, and Alex share their secrets and preferences on PIDs, filters, and general tuning tips! Timestamps below...
2:10 - Basics and Filtering with Bardwell and Cricket
8:59 - Le Drib's Personal Tune for Freestyle Flow
21:35 - Captain Vanover's High-Performance Tune
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Well there's my problem! I've been tuning by uploading MP3 files of my favourite heavy-metal bands to the flight-controller. This has made my quads fly funny but boy, they sound great! :-)
😂😂
Haha, Anyone else read this using his rant voice?
Next time on rotor riot : annoying people in the park with heavy-metal blasting subwoofers hanging from a Alta X .featuring rctestflight
@@1998keagan1 yep me hahaha
Hang on XJet you're a headbanger? 😍🤘🏼
@@malo6748 may i please praise you for the BEST IDEA EVER.. only one thing, u wanna annoy people, so Dubstep OR DNB 👊🙏❤
I wish you made a part 2 where you all flew each other's tunes! THAT would be super interesting to see imo.
Awesome vid tho and it's cool to see the difference in tuning strategies from each pilot!
I thought that was what they were going to do at the end and then rank them from best to worst blind study style.
@@veek2767 so true
I think you all had similar settings in the end.. Reduce I, Increase P & D - Reduce filters. That about seems to be the preferred settings. Thanks guys!
Just recieved a custom build from rotor riot earlier this week. The pid and filter setting are almost identical to vanovers'. Thing is a freestyle beast on 4S... Best quad I've owned to date... I've built 3, but this time was feeling lazy...
I loved that Alex had the most professional approach towards the whole process. He knows how to accurately interpret the feel he has. The best F1 pilots always came from those who were able to tell what the car does so the engineers can do adjustments instead of a guesswork. The end result have convinced me even more. I think Joshua have been schooled a tiny bit there...but no hard feelings. ;)
This is the best and most helpful video I've watched from Rotor Riot all year. You guys really hit a home run with this one! I have an idea for a series. Someone sends you a quad that flies like crap and you show us why it flies so bad and how to fix it. The Rotor Riot team has been in the game so long that they don't really have any of the typical mistakes that us noobs have, so a series like that could help your audience immensely and make your audience feel more connected to the team.
But to answer your question: I will be mostly playing with the tune that Drew recommends cause his flights are just so damn juicy!!!
this is a great idea! I think we will do this!
I also like this idea. I really like Rotor Riot for making the hobby approachable, a vlog series of "Pimp My Quad" could be educational and fun.
Yeah thats a really cool idea !!!
Love this video to! So much helpful information. And that idea is great! 😀
Yaaaaaaas!!
Stop the presses. I tried Vanny's rates and pids and could not believe how well my drone flew today. Awesome stuff guys!
do oyu have the same setup or will it work for other setups aswell?
@@ProfessorMuchachosimilar setups should take a similar tune very well. For example I have a 5" on 2205.5 2400kv, but no GoPro. Being slightly lighter weight and having smaller than average motors, I didn't need to go quite as high on my P-gains, and I prefer a slightly stiffer feel so I left my I-gains alone at stock settings. I also dont suggest taking the RPM filtering down to a single filter, leave it at 3. This does not add enough latency to make it worth taking the other notches away.
Jack Bisson had a Mark4 for just over a week and watched this yesterday. Tried this and wow, flies like butter. The difference is staggering. The Van Man obviously knows his stuff👌tuned it with the GoPro on the kwad.
Same here- I set all settings the same as Vanover and it flies on rails with MUCH less noise, heat and, "warble" (my word for the bad noise and movement at zero thr.)
Titan XL5 with Crazypony 2207 racing motors - 5140- iFlight 40 Amp Succex and F4- 1500 4s 100C.
Le Drib tune all the way.
I will say, Vanny, you’re good. But if you humbled yourself a measure, you’d get so much more respect :)
Happy flying team!
Is he usually that obnoxious
Le Drib, i was having problems on my new build with tuning. So i legit followed along with you on all your settings...ive never flown anything better. its so buttery and smooth and i absolutely love it. thanks for the in depth explanation!
Q: How many freestyle pilots does it take to change a lipo?
A: 3. One to change the lipo, one to vlog, and one to mess up the vlog *cough cough* Vanover..
bahahahahahahahahaha
😂😂😂
Dude your famous
@@BubbyFPV You`re
I think it's worth mentioning the person who JB got the settings for the 4.1 notch filters is the Mark from UAV Tech, he's super knowledgable about the actual processes used in the software and has very descriptive vids on tuning. He deserves some more mention
Definitely! I shout him out every chance I get!
@@JoshuaBardwell Awesome yeah I remember you mentioning him in your 4.1 tuning guide. I used his video before yours came out to get that sweet sweet rpm filter goodness
Just want to thank you Gentlemen for taking the time to put together this amazing video about tuning, love the fact each one of you have different approaches to tuning!! Keep up the great work you boys do for this amazing hobby
This has got to be one of the best Rotor Riot videos to date. I have been in the hobby for 3 years and have been watching Bardwell and Rotor Riot since the beginning, and I still learned a lot from this video. Keep it up Rotor Riot!
Love the in depth analysis mixed in with the hilarious pilot personalities. I definitely learned a lot too!
This is super expert level stuff, good for anyone that knows what to do with it! I like Cricket's approach. Bind 'n Fly and adjust as you go.
Just getting in to quads and I think it's amazing that pros such as yourselves can provide free information to the community so noobs such as myself, don't have to be scared in messing with stuff. I'm probably super late to the game but good work gents. 👏. Thanks for the free info. 🙏🏾
Probably my first comment on the channel videos. JB, lowering filters lowest possible helped me so much. Tuning stars with filtering. Massing with "I" doesn't make any sense. Rasing "P" up to a level is more logical to my stick feel, and "D" is always ready to work it once needed... Thanks to all of you for such a video which tells "there is no right or wrong way of tuning. Quad is to be tuned for it's pilot only".
How I tune:
- get a BB log and push it through PlasmaTree to adjust filters
- repeat and adjust PID step response to be perfect
- do BB logs while increasing PIDs until it gets worse or motors get hot
- start crying cause I used crap components so I got a lot of noise in the gyro loop
- eventually give up
Lower your gyro/PID loop frequency, I'd bet you get less noise!
I actually did that when trying RPM filtering with 4.1, didnt change anything.
Since its only on pitch axis and only above 50% throttle I assume its just a bad gyro or something like that. Will probably just try another FC.
LeonidasGFX can’t even believe that the experts didn’t mention pid toolbox or plazmatree. F-ing joke.
How i tune : flies ? Ok good
Doesnt fly : well guess im fked
@@malo6748 Sometimes if you talk s**t to it...it will work 🤔😂
Thank you for taking the time to make this great video, very much appreciated.
ALL HAIL VANOVER!!! honestly this was golddddddd more videos like this please. This was my favorite RR episode and I have been around since day 1
There's gotta be like 6 other settings that I mess with in BF that aren't mentioned in this video at all. I love how different everyone tunes the quad. You guys should do a part 2 explaining the physical variables of the quad that should be taken into consideration: battery size, motor size and kv, prop pitch, HD cam, etc.....
More of this kind of Episode, please ,, very educational ..Thank you!
THE BEST VIDEO RR HAS EVER MADE !!
THANKS FELLAS 👍 SOOOOO HELPFUL TO MANY MANY PEEPS.
I love flying and hate tuning. I'm glad the developers are working on the firmware to make it easier for guys like me. Good vid guys
Yes, I really wonder why there is no autotune function based on Blackbox log file. Maybe in the future!
excellent content finally taking apart the mystery's! love it . Educational
I literally just took my stock PIDS, checked out Vanovers PIDS... And I set my exactly halfway between my stock PIDS and his end PIDS... It was just supposed to be a jumping off point... but... perfect. Corners on rails, flows through tricks... i dig it.
this really is a great vid depending on the level of your flying they basically go over everything from beginner to advanced fro tuning, lots of good info
I needed this video. Thank you!
Very nice episode, thanks guys, I've learned much more from this, nicely done!
Great video! Appreciate the help!
fantastic video. really enjoyed that. was a fun watch guys.
It's funny how almost everyone doesn't really know what half of the things do on the new betaflight. RIP 3.3 /3.5 DAYS....
Thanks for explain guys!
Fun Fact: most didn't know what the settings did in 3.3 and 3.5 either.
@@uavtech Ha good point 👍😁...the unknown is more of the unknown for most. But I myself enjoy the full tunablility and options.
@@uavtech i know how to tune this settings, but people not need settings... they want just fly ... and emuflight did it .. betaflight rip ...
@@FPV_Thrills LOL... That is fucking rediculous. EMU is BF 3.5 PLUS more settings, not less. Fucking politics kills me with these dumb shit statements.
Explain to me how this looks any simplier?
www.screencast.com/t/QFCqbmP7
Oh wait, just explain to me what W actually does. Or why it is good - or bad - to have different filter settings per axis.
@@uavtech sweet f-bomb settings yo 😆
Great video guys. As a noob, I've been curious about how to tune and what to look out for. This really helped me understand the basic concepts. Now I might not be so afraid to mess with the tune. I'm sure much of the jerkiness in my video is due to operator error, but hopefully I'll be able to start smoothing it out now.
JB filter settings are a game changer. I set all my quads up the same way with the exceptions of pids. My 3" and 5" 6s quads do better with slightly lower p and D gains. I love the locked in default I settings. I love to fly LOS freestyle with a racing quad. Definitely my favorite way to fly. I know everyone I'm definitely missing out on fpv. My buddies are pushing me hard to learn fpv. Take care everyone and thanks rotor riot, JB and UAV Tech for there continued knowledge and sharing it to everyone. Rarely in this world do you get something for nothing, this being the exception
i was just watching the DRL and i love you vannover!
Thanks guys, very informative. Great advice.
I reaaaalllly appreciate this video especially since I struggle so much with tuning
Good stuff! Vanover tuning was awesome!
Great video as always. Keep up the good work. Rotor Riot is who inspired me to get into drones.
Ordered the Rotor Riot HD1 Build over the weekend. I'll be flying the default tune for quite a while but good insight into how tuning is just a personal preference.
Love this multipilot perspective. Great informative video. Plus one on blind testing as suggested in other comments.
Thanks Y'all. The timing of this vid for me is spot on 😁
this was an excellent vid. Im new to tuning and this will be a tool fo me plus some of you other vids
Thank You
Fun content. Quite enjoyed Vanover's explanations, might have to go follow him now as well.
Great video. Thank you 3 so much.
Thanks a lot for this. So much great info.
It all makes soo much more Sense now. I see it as an audio signal passing through a DSP. If anyone understands that.. never tuned but will now. thanks again guy's
Saved the video. Going out this Sunday to test all 3.
Great episode, kids. All three hosts definitely contributed to a a really informative video. More of this, less silly warehouse playtime.
i honestly think alex did the best job explaining his settings - quick and precise explanation and it didnt feel like an eternity (joshuas tuning vids are good and all but they are roughly 20-30 minutes where as vanny just essentially provided the same info in 10 minutes aaand he even fitted some banter as well as a stuck quad in there... talking about efficiency :P)
following drews tune, love the freaking smoothy smooth feel
Dream episode: UAV TECH tunes a Vanny freestyle build, then hands it over to Vanover for his final polish. The dialogue between those two getting from the UAVT tune to the final Vanny tune will be gold. Vanny, UAV and all of us will learn something that day.
Awesome job, guys! 😃
Best video in a longtime thanks 👌
Great video guys, nice job... 👍
Like the way you guys are teaching killing it
JB changed his recommendation for the gyro number from 1 to the default of 3
I flew my quad on BetaFlight 3. something and default tunes and it was great coming form an very old drone without even air mode. This week i updated to the newest firmware and it flys so much better without even chaining any PIDs.
35:30 Vanover nails it there is no right or wrong it'swhat your personal preference is. 👍good job
Vanover rates.. different every time he talks about them.. lol Great video guys!! Very appreciated.
If I ever do camera work for a vlog, I'm going to have to remember to zoom in/out randomly for dramatic effect... ;D
Seriously though, thank you for this episode, I'm going to have to watch it at least once more to help my tuning.
This was a super good video!
I love that HW 60a esc 👍👍
Great video
My setpoint weight was 1.0. So i tried 0.9 like drew. Wow! Made my videos smoother, I can powerloop better, not many jerky moves. Smooth!
the way bardwell touches cricket and says"your gonna learn something today" lol
Haven't watched yet but it is great idea for video!
EDIT: guys, UAV Tech ftw
Boom! LOL.
Thanks!
@@uavtech What did you think of this video? I'd love to hear your thoughts!
realy good idea this video! for me very intresting
Great choice of topic!
My quad flies crap but so do i so i recon its the perfect tune :)
Went with the blonde’s settings on a similar build. Thanks for the butter!
We wanna see vanover tune a race quad!!
true he is real reality animal tuning
26:34 his eyes lol
Legend, my motors were hot after making a couple of changes with betaflight via my phone's otg, not even sure what happened, reverted to default settings and motors are cool again. Thanks for the insight
Thanks 4 sharing the cheat codes guys!
Maybe Vanover has the best tune but Drew is on the track where you want to be. Thanks Joshua.
Tuning becomes easy when you always tune the same type and size of quad.
Really great video guys, appreciate the info. Quick question for Alex: In BF 4.1 with bi-directional d-shot you can set a min motor rpm in addition to an idle throttle setpoint. Would this help with the shaking you were finding at low throttle value?
very helpfull the guy in red is a master to explain something thanks bro :-)
Joshua Bardwell is pretty cool. luv his videos. Not in a guy crush way but he knows his stuff.
It's not possible to give a right answer. Joshua Bardwell was showing the gopro 7 fotage with hypersmooth ON. We could hear some noise bu't couldn't apreciate it on camera. The Drew part was good, we could see how his pid's worked. And Vanover's flight just last 5 seconds, and he was flying very openly/juicy, I mean, to know how a quad flies you also need do make some short and fast movements. The idea was really good, the result wasn't what I expected. Anyway, the pid tunning part was very interesting! Cheers!
Nice Video Thanks, i try with 4.1, for my still work fine 3.5.7 but i need try 4.1 thanks again.
Nice liked before wathed
This helped so much. Fixed a lot of my problems...then i got carried away and snapped an arm off. Bahahaha. Still stoked!
Would have liked to have seen each of the three pilots fly the tunes BLIND from the other pilots in addition to their own, and pick which tune they felt was the best...
"The Stock tunes fly better then ever" So damn right i was so unhappy how my 2.5 inch flew finally put BF 4.2 on it without doing anything this thing flys absolutly awesome!
I'm agree with Drib tune process, Vannover is more practical to adjust PID and rates values, but it works
Love it
Drew tuning work perfect for me on my geprc mark4 hd5 without gopro
Practice makes perfect and the more time you spend on anything the better you'll get so dabble but spend your time where it matters most! HAVEING FUN not just one thing in particular...
🍻cheers🥃
COREY THIS CAESAR..... love the channel im building a drone my self
Lol at cricket and “you don’t have to tune Flightone” so right my man but I do like to adjust P a little bit on all my fl1 quads. But generally the high power tune and 2 dual bi quad filters all set to 200 gets me 98% there. 👍👍
Stock pids are great, on rpm filtering its amazing
Next...the same on a 3” :-)
THIS!
Agreed!
Great job explaining. I hate tuning. Just wanna fly. :)
I've been recommending lower i for so long.. 😂
About time.
Low I gives you that fluid flow 👍
I mean, anyone who read the Github tuning notes when 4.0 came out knows this. I think most people just don’t read the GitHub. I bet the majority of people who complain about BF don’t read the GitHub 🤷🏾♂️
@@woopweep9605 I've heard it from devs! They got big mad when I said no. Apparently they were relying on the simulated models. 🙄
Stanton High when you said no to what?
@@woopweep9605 running super high i with no negative effect.
If you have a light 6s quad you will benefit from dropping p and d balance to 8 or 7. That's per betaflight instructions in 4.1 tuning notes. Defaults are great for gopro fpv pilots. That's been my experience. There's also a massive benefit to going to 48k on pwm in blheli_32
Add in changing I-term relax to gyro and 11 (@UAV Tech) and you guys all would have perfect freestyle tunes for your style. Great video.
Ok had to flash FC first but no problem doing that thanks to Joshua. My chameleon flew great when i was learning to fly but when pushed flew crap so give it a go flys great motors not getting hot and were i live down under it is so hot and have bush fires raging around me and so simple
I thought Bardwell backtracked on the harmonics setting choices after discussing with betaflight devs as it was essentially a pretty bad idea to drop it to 1 and those other settings as leaving it at default added truly minimal latency but guarded much better against bent props and other damage (and dropping it had little benefit?). Which maybe could explain the hot motor at the end.
Yes, I was like really do they didn't realize ?
This was my first thought.
Correct. 3 is the right number as there are always other harmonics to account for. They give conflicting info in this video and both people attribute the info to Bardwell. ha
@@woopweep9605 i guess we deff hear what we want, or interpret things diff, because all of these poilets, myself included watched and learned from bardwell, but we all went off into the field with our crazy friends that started making us think we need to make the tune better.... so MAYBE ILL fly better..? I love a good tune, but crickets right, in that, times a commodity and should be spent more flying than tuning, while I'M NOT tossing tuning out the window, just every hour we spend flying makes our footage 10x better.. its all about that juicy muscle memory first and I was watching vanonvers tune like 🤯 lol yet, I don't think that would work FOR ME, but it looked amazing!? so q. Is, Was it just the best flight untill he hung it? B4 frying anything? Or a trully better tune? personally those rates alone are race rates I would feel soo uncomfortable with, but I dono he's a pro. And a damn good one, still worth taking into consideration. My Point @JB, TY for all the hours you have given up on the sticks, to produce some of the if not the gold standard of uav info always developed on point and on time, redacted as needed, times change but we all still learned something today! Lol.fun vid, love it! Is this the best how to on the web.. prob not, but we learned something.... lol mad Respekt all fpv massive
@@woopweep9605 for a min forgot it was a reply just became more of a general statement comment it's early lol my bad no disrespect✌
The PID sliders are there to automatically adjust the zeroes and poles of the system transfer function for the PID control system, in the flight controller feedback loop, while keeping the equation balanced for varying term gains Kp, Ki and Kd.
This avoids the calculations that should be performed (but no one does) during manual tuning for determining Kp, Ki and Kd.
As one of the two folks that put a lot of input into developing, EXACTLY!!
I'd vote Drew. Although I don't fully understand the nomenclature....His style/tune imo is the most digestible and easy to watch.
Bardwell wins !! Nobody else checked motor temp, but would have been better if cricket tested every one else's tune.
Thanks for all the great info y'all.
Hey Vanover if by any chance you see this, I am loving your rates even on kiss it my quad feels so much more predictable now! Just curious if you have a flightone rate conversion from these rates? I know you have a preset in falcox but it doesn't feel nearly as good. I have tried the converter and doesn't seem quite right. Any help would be greatly appreciated!