The Urban Perspective - Slavery in the Bible, The Whitewashing of History and Conscious Community
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- On this episode of The Urban Perspective I sit with Dr. Eric Mason and Brother Berean to discuss slavery in the bible, the whitewashing of history and the conscious community. Please share and subscribe!
I've been doing my research on how Christianity was started in Africa for the last two years and this helped me with other names & books to look up. Thank you so much with this information.
BeastTheSkitzo the word Christian or Christianity it means someone who is very dumb in the head!
I'm so glad i found you guys. I really love that your perspective come from your immense love for Scripture unlike other so called "christian" who use the Bible for a political purposes. Please keep it up. Christ bless!
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*You a Israelite sis... repent & keep the commandments*
This is awesome stuff. My faith and hope has been restored in God in this area--- to effectively spread the Gospel. I live in Philly so being a Christian isn't easy. There are sooo many different belief systems out here that are counterfeit to the one True God and the Holy Trinity. God Bless!
How do you know your god is real
@@kasheemsmith6239 We can feel his presence.
@@flyguy1827 do you believe in Allah because the Muslim feel his presence to
This was increasingly helpful and eye opening. I knew whitewashing happened in many areas of the faith but never realized the extent of it in Christian institutions. I appreciate and admire this panel, thanks for bringing a clear response to the arguments made by the conscious community. keep it coming! Blessings!
I am so grateful that you guys are having this discussion, very timely. God bless.
I love love love this! I'm only a few minutes in and I am in awe because I never knew of any other pastor being so big on conext, true theology and history of the faith. I greatly appreacite my pastor Dr. Dana Carson the more for keeping his congregations--not only here in Texas but across the world--awake. Big ups on this video men of God!!
Antwinette Y. Ford
A woman pastor???
U must live in the South, don't you?
Corey Bailey Dr. Dana Carson isn't a woman. However, his wife is and she's a phenomenal pastor.
This dialogue was GROUNDBREAKING!!!! Truly... I'm going to blast this!
excellent presentation! well done!
Peace and Christ love keep dropping dem jewels bruthas
Great stuff! Can’t get enough of the good news. Truth is the bomb!!! Thanks Guys.
Keep it coming brother Gaye with this great wisdom and encouraging work, love what our LORD AND SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST is doing with your church and also with this ministry as well much needed 🙏🏾👊🏾👌🏾
Slaves Obey your Masters? What Bible are you reading? NIV with the missing scriptures? I mean Ephesians 6 : 5 Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters Colossians 3 : 22 Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; 1 Peters 2: 18 Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear.....Get a real Bible and you will know that there is a difference between a Servant and a Slave......There scriptures are talking about how Israelites should deal with one another...Not Slaves which are from other Nations.....All these Pastors may sound good...but that all are Lost....Proof that Servants means dealing with Hebrews ! Exodus 21 : 2 If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing....you can read on down to the 21 Verse.....These So called Pastors need to stop their Madness.....
Love the dialogue my brothers!
Blessings and peace be with you all brothers, speak the truth of God’s Word through faith in Christ Jesus our Lord
Outstanding video!! Articulate, clear and informative.
Ya'll Break it down real simple. Even those of us with a learning disability can understand this
This was A-1 WOW!!!!
Love this discussion! This is my third or fourth time listening to it since it aired last fall. Question: Dr. Mason indicated that he was divulging the contents of his book. What's the title of the book that he was referring to? Is it available for sale now??
Very good discussion
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What about when the Bible talks about the prophecy of 400 years of slavery in a strange land? Doesn’t seem like voluntary slavery. And when Old Testament talks about if a man is given freedom but wants to stay with his family(wife, kids) that man has to be a slave for a lifetime.
Where u at brother Polite , Jabari even Shakka etc. 🤔🤔🤔 I would love to see this it would be GREAT
Could American Conservative Christianity also be giving true faith in Christ Jesus a bad misconception...
Why does this not have more views than that?
Eiffel Tower because it’s bullshit.
Can you recommend some books I should read to understand how the Bible and Christianity are indigenous to Africa? I already have How Africa Shaped The Christian Mind
OleSkool89 Christianity isn’t indigenous to any location.
The oldest version of the Bible is from Ethiopia
DJ
In the Ethiopian Bible? Those people aren't white Lol
DJ
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Scattered 2 the four corners please explain
And what about the law
Brothers I have a question when did the church get whitewashed? when did it begin? give me a date thank you
Joseph Bailey read How Africa Shaped the Christian Mind by Thomas Oden. In terms of dates, Primarily from The Reformation on (I’m not saying Luther and Calvin are to blame), but Adolph von Harnack was intentional about removing and ignoring contributions of people of color to the Christian faith. He along with other ‘scholars’ whitewashed African church fathers. It continues today with the perpetuation of white faces of Jesus, Augustine, Athanasius, Tertulian and so on. The issue isn’t just the original date, but the fact that we really don’t have an end date with schools perpetuating the myth.
Pastor Gay... Hit me back please with some texts I could study and also utilize in my church for developing students of the Gospel/Developers of our community?
Explain Leviticus 25:39-46 this is where the slave owners used as a blue print, that is from a historical stand point here in the U.S.
They can’t because there is no excuse, no context for owning another person as a piece of property.
The Canaanites were supposed to be servants as far as I am aware to Shem? This was because of idolatry prounounced by Noah. As for Paul looking like an Egyptian Phenotypically this could be but you have to contrast this with Simon the Niger and Jeremiah 13 v 23 but Manasseh and Ephraim Tribes were half-Egyptian and some Canaanites were also mixed.
I'm lost, I don't understand why a merciful god would allow people to suffer though chattel slavery.
Me too.. The transatlantic slave trade is overwhelming. How can a people suffer so much, and for so long? Black people are strong.
The same way the Israelites were slaved and freed. It’s just you might not see “our” “freedom” as an act of God because we don’t have a Moses.
@What's Hatnin hmmmmm, how so?
@What's Hatnin what court date with the devil?
@What's Hatnin oh ok, it's hard to read between the lines of believers! I can't comment on supernatural deities that need man's faithful interpretation to understand the unknown and unreal.
Preach! Unfortunately, they believe that black history started at the Transatlantic Slave Trade. This is the issue. That period of slavery was only a chapter. Yes it was a horrible chapter that should have never happened, but it is NOT BLACK HISTORY.
I think you guys make some pretty important point here. I have hated the Euro/ white Jesus for decades now. He had Olive skin! I also really want to know about the contributions of my African brothers to the roots of our faith by men like Athanasius and others. The one issue I had is that according to what I have studied about Roman slavery, you greatly understate to harshness and abuse in it. Yes, a slave could buy freedom, but you never mention the fat that it was legal for a slave owner in Roman society to kill his or her slave. Some slaves were also used by their owners for sexual relations. Some slaves came to be slaves by being kidnapped from a conquered people group. Sadly, slavery in Rome was much closer to that in America than any of us would want to admit...
Council of Nicea had not much to do with the Bible. It was about Arius. That’s the biggest misconception.
I agree with some thins that he said. But when he said that Solomon illegally took on slaves he was wrong. According to Leviticus 25:39-46 there is a difference between hebrew servants and strangers that are servants.
Hebrews couldn't be ruled over with rigor and they had an out date (year of Jubilee. Strangers had no out date and was servants for for ever.
actually the curse of ham myth has its origins in the ancient babylonian talmud, which has its roots around 5th century when mixed jew groups were alienating themselves from their darker origins. so this wwas not even a general teaching among israelites in africa. this was the ones in europe... but it would make sense that mohammedans latch on to that cause mohammed was known for taking beliefs and customs from the groups around him and speaking it to his followers. so by the 9th century we see this sort of bias with africans and mohammedans. mohhamed took alot of teachings from afro hebraic(jew), fables, he aso took gnostic writings that he called christian and put in the koran. hence the fallacy in islam.
These Christian brothers are a lot more intelligent than the average Christian but if u still don't know that "Gentile" has multiple meanings in the Bible u still have a lot to learn.
Are the gospels eyewitness accounts ?
With the exception of Luke, yes they were. But even Luke got it from those who had eye witness account of Jesus.
what is your source for that ? When you read the gospels the authors do not identify themselves, they are written in the third person. You also have to understand the life span was very short for eyewitness and even oral traditions to be reliable . Where talking about God becoming a man ; we don't even have the originals.
Extraordinary claims require ,extraordinary evidence!
also we have no proof that these writers wrote these books. The names were added during the 2nd century; or proof that these people even existed .
No.
@ 18:28 the guy said the Bible dose not teach a lifetime servitude ? explain Deuteronomy 28 : 46 And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever. 32 Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long: and there shall be no might in thine hand.
bigmack6112 Bcuz I'm at work right now but I can definitely refute your argument. In do all respect I respect your opinion and I definitely understand what you're saying 100%. Hopefully someone counter your argument bcuz if not you gone think what you're saying is right and that's why no one can respond to it. But once I'm free I'll definitely address it. But much love I respect your opinion like I said.
You will not be refuting me, you will be refuting the Bible...as I came Straight out of the Bible....I look forward to yours or anyones response,
The bible I'll be refuting lol no your claim of the bible. If you really listen to what the guys saying about interrupting the bible I think something's would become more clear to you.
Context is key. I admit as a believer that yes some passages are a bid confusing if just looking at from the surface yes I can admit that myself. But after further deep investigations/research I've found the supposedly contradictions etc....
Based on what I have posted here, prove what said is wrong....make sure you go back and listen to what was said by the speaker, then go into the Bible and prove me false ....
Pseudo-scholarship at best 😂 That's an excellent way to put it. 😂😂
this mAX GOLDBERG USE MY TEACHING ERIC MASON JOIN ISRAEL YOU USING MY WORDS !
you never heard of it because they just made it up
Greco Roman history had indentured servitude. You must study backgrounds .
This guys are just justifying the unjustifiable. Keep obeying your masters bros. Some of us are just free in GOD by following the aknowlodge and Knolodge of our ancestors.
References.
Give me my props I BROKE ST Antony and Athanasius Maxwell Goldberg is King !
The whitewashing of Christianity also affects the Jewish origin of the Christian faith...
Funny @24:10 he says the Bible teaches Not to take on Slaves...Why were there Laws that says otherwise?? People Please read for yourself and don't be dazzled by smooth talking....This again shows the difference between Servants (Israelites that might work for you for whatever reason and Bondwoman and Men Slaves ...Pay close attention to Verse 44) ..Leviticus 25 : 39 And if thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor, and be sold unto thee; thou shalt not compel him to serve as a bondservant: 40 But as an hired servant, and as a sojourner, he shall be with thee, and shall serve thee unto the year of jubile: 41 And then shall he depart from thee, both he and his children with him, and shall return unto his own family, and unto the possession of his fathers shall he return. 42 For they are my servants, which I brought forth out of the land of Egypt: they shall not be sold as bondmen. 43 Thou shalt not rule over him with rigour; but shalt fear thy God. 44 Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
bigmack6112 Bro I've dealt with kind for yrs. I'm just curious you must be one of those kemet bro lol SMH.
Context matters, brother. At 24:10 he was addressing a specific verse and said not takes slaves "for profit." Let's not misrepresent what's actually being said here and at the beginning of the video, we stressed context for each verse where slavery is mentioned and in some verses slave means servant, like Ephesians 6:5 where the Greek word doulos translates as slave, but means servant. Additionally, when you talk about curses you need to remember this: 1. Curses have expiration dates, typically 3-4 generations (Exo. 20:5). 2. God’s word says that disobedient based curses can be reversed when people repent (Exo. 20:6). We never said the bible doesn't address slavery, we said that you can read the Transatlantic Slave Trade into Ephesians 6 and verses in Exodus and Leviticus, because that (Ephesians) written well over 1000 years before the Middle Passage. You're making an argument from your assumptions and not from what and who we were addressing in this video, brother.
Wow you are Very Sad.....When have you heard a Kemet brother defend the Bible? You need a friend huh?
He said, Soloman took slaves" illegally" to build the temple....And as far as the Curses that are upon us not via transatlantic slave trade in Deuteronomy 28 : 68 it say...and no man shall buy you..The word buy means to redeem, And Also the LORD said these Curses shall be upon us forever.....Forever means until Christ makes his return and sets things back in order !
bigmack6112 I'm sad no I think you're pitiful. Ik you can't interpret the bible bcuz you can't even interpret what I said concernening Kemet. I never said anything about Kemet defending the bible. I said you must be one of those Kemet bro due to your argument against the bible.