The Amazing Spider Man 2 * FIRST TIME WATCHING * reaction & commentary
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"Hasn't Peter Parker been through enough??"
Every SM comic writer ever: "...No."
More like "Hahahahahahahaha!!!!! (Wipes away tear)...No."
With great power, comes great tragedy
👀
I'm still bitter about one more day
"Is Gwen going to be okay."
Gwen is famously not okay.
In fairness, a lot of people now know Gwen via Spider-Gwen, and don't really know (or care) about original Gwen.
I've always thought it would be a fun twist for an adaptation to start with MJ, introduce Gwen, tease her death a few times, and then kill MJ instead.
@@KthulhuXxx DARK. Buuuuuuuut... it would be on brand for the multiversal punching bag that we call Spider Man
Peter's a real pain in the NECK for her. One of these days, she's just gonna SNAP.
@@fynnthefox9078 Ooof. lol
Other reactors: "NO! GWEN NO! [stunned silence followed by sobbing]"
Ashleigh: "lol bye"
56:01 😢
😂 so true!! But it's OK Ashleigh, we still love you! 😊❤
There was some sadness. Let us not forget she did see this movie before with no context. I'm sure there was some part of that death in her memory.
Plus, she kept obsessing over the fact that it was Gwen and not MJ.
I think Ashley had it spot on. My wife had the same reaction while I was blubbering next to her in the theater. Anyone with knowledge of the comics new it was coming.
@@MrfrerobI watched this in the theaters and I knew it was coming, but I didn't expect it in this one because I thought there was going to be 3 films in this incarnation.
So in the comics, Gwen Stacy was Spiderman's first major love interest. However, she did die in a confrontation between Spiderman and the Green Goblin like in this movie. Ironically, she hated Spiderman at the time for the death of her father, but she didn't know her boyfriend Peter Parker was Spiderman. Soon after Gwen's death, Mary Jane Watson who was Peter's friend at the time, would date Peter and become his longtime girlfriend.
OHHHHH thank you for explaining lol
@@awkwardashleigh I explained this to you in my comment when you reacted to the first ""The Amazing Spider-Man" Movie. I already told you why we have Gwen, because she came first in the comics. I left that comment with the explanation to you in November and yet you still asked "Why do we have Gwen?" in this reaction.
@@awkwardashleighIn the comic is worst. Peter catches her like in the movie but she does not hit the floor.he catches her in time but She has her neck broken from spiderman catching her going so fast. so she would have dead if he didn't catch her but in way he broke her neck and killed her by accident.
@@kingtaker1985damned if you do damned if you dont
Side note: In the mulitverse of the comics, almost every version of Peter & Gwen ends up with Gwen being killed or lost in some tragic way.
The moment when Gwen shouts "Peter!" after he webs her to the car was actually a blooper, but the director lover her genuine reaction to it so much he left it in.
Not Ashleigh going from "Well I guess she's dead" when Gwen starts to fall to being in absolute denial that she *actually* dies XD
The outfit Gwen wore during the final battle, is the same one she wore in the books when she died. When I realized it I knew I was going to tear up
I really wish they had used a bit of dialogue from the actual comic Gwen died in. I still get a bit choked up when I read Spider-man holding her dead body and telling her: "I saved you, honey...don't you see? I saved you." And Andrew Garfield would've acted the crap out of it
1:21 is the time it reads on the clock tower when Gwen dies, which is a reference to the original comics, because Gwen died in issue 121.
I never noticed that. That's some good hidden detail.
That's cool thank you!
Max isn't taking a bath with a toaster, he IS the toaster. when you throw a toaster in the tub, it shorts out, and discharges a bunch of electricity, and then stops working.
Gwen and Peter's (Emma & Andrew's) real-life relationship really added to their chemistry! Love them 💙💜
“Hasn’t Peter Parker lost enough?”
GURL, that’s what he does.
Andrew's acting at Gwen's death was ABSOLUTELY PHENOMINAL!!!!
A brief spider-man love interest history: Liz Allen had a crush on Peter which led to confrontations with a bully Flash. Betty Brant "the older woman" had a fling with him. Mary Jane was pushed on him by his and her aunts. They hung out together more as friends as she was Harry's gf. Gwen was his first true love. They wrote him into a corner and the only thing left was marriage. They didn't want the character married at the time so chose to kill her off. It ended the silver age of comics and stood out due spider-man inadvertently snapping her neck while trying to save her. The movie watered that down.
Actually, the writer at the time thought that Peter was more interesting when he had nothing but hardship in his life so thought that Gwen made him too happy. So, just before Stan Lee was leaving for Europe for a convention the writer ambushed Stan while he was distracted hurrying to get to the airport and asked Stan ....have fun in Europe!can I kill off Gwen?!.... and Stan being distracted and going out the door told him "Do what you like, your the writer." Probably not really listening to him. By the time he got back from his trip the nefarious deed was done. What a snake!!!
And even worse! What that rat writer didn't know was that Gwen's character was modeled on Stan's own real life wife! So he killed Gwen AND Stan's wife essentially!
@@angelohernandez6060 and Stan later denied okaying it when fans got upset. There was no way he didn't okay it.
@@angelohernandez6060 and it wasn't an "actually". What you wrote was part of it. Conway considered killing off Aunt May at first but decided since she was old it wasn't tragic enough. That's when Gwen was targeted because they had nowhere else to take her character other than marriage which they did not want to do with spider-man at the time.
@@vincentschmitt7597 What Lee did was tell them not to bother him and do what they wanted.
"Who is that he looks familiar?" That is actor/comedian Jamie Foxx.
Yes, Gwen's back got snapped by Spider-Man.
Now that you've seen this, can't wait for your reaction to No Way Home when it comes!
This movie was a mess of Sony corporate meddling, edits, tie-ins and marketing but you cannot argue that Garfield crushed it and that Gwen scene hurt the way it SHOULD.
#AviAradOut
We want AMSM3!!!
Yes, not only was this a mess of Sony corporate meddling, but the gay-metaphor Electro (“It’s not my FAULT!”) was later MCU-retconned back into a badass when Jamie Foxx reappeared in No Way Home. Again, as he should.
And, we briefly got a proper Green Goblin without armor, as we should. Now, there’s still that problem of the Rhino to fix.
@@theradgegadgie6352 Avi is that you?
And Gwen was way better in this than she was even in the Comics
I love the friendship that Sally Fields and Andrew Garfield developed from these movies. And still have going to this day.
The ring tone on Peter’s cell was the theme to the Spider-Man cartoon TV show…decades ago
Pure water is an insulator, not a conductor. Water usually has dissolved solids that turn it into a conductor though.
In the Amazing Spider-Man (Andrew Garfield) series didn't have a Mary Jane/MJ character. The Toby Maguire and Tom Holland (MCU) movies do. Spider-Man 3 with Toby Maguire has Mary Jane AND Gwen Stacy.
Very true.
The Amazing Spider-Man #121 from 1973. The death of Gwen Stacy.
I read it when it was in reprints, but still way too young.
Mary Jane Watson was Aunt May's neighbor's niece that they were trying to set Peter up with. The obvious joke was she was the girl with the good personality. She was teased but never shown until Amazing Spider-Man #25 (1965) when she finally appeared on the final page with the classic line, "Face it, Tiger, you just hit the jackpot!"
Gwen Stacy was Peter's girlfriend at Empire State University. Her dad, as in the movie, was the cop who died in order to fulfill Peter's quotient of guilt and angst. She died when the Green Goblin knocked her off one of the towers of the George Washington Bridge. Just like in the movie, Spider-Man webbed her at the last moment, but her neck snapped from the force of her fall.
It was traumatizing for six-year-old Mike.
He finally got things together with MJ, and they married in 1987.
Then things got complicated.
The current writers suck, but nothings been right since One More Day
Ash: "They're gonna break up at least one more time in this movie."
Me: Well, I mean, *Gwen*'s gonna break, at least...
Don't look at me like that, you thought it, too...
She says WAY too much stuff in this review that has me biting my lip. I swear. I think I drew blood. How far is she in the MCU? Not elaborating out loud why I'm asking even though I think this comment is probably gonna be buried from view.
@@cypher515a certain comment about a certain character dying…. 😬
@@fightingfaerie omg I know
There are over 60 years of comics that the movies pull from, and Peter has dated many characters over the years. So the first trilogy they used Mary Jane. Then when they rebooted they decided to use Gwen.
Although both sets of movies are based on the same characters, they aren’t connected to each other which is why you can have such variations in the stories.
"I guess life just handed Peter Parker a whole shit-bag of sad" is a pretty much perfect summary of the character and franchise =)
Not really. It looks that way if you just watch the movies but Spider-Man is a pretty happy guy. He's popular and has lots of friends and has a good time. It's just that the tragic stories are the ones people remember.
The villain of the first movie wasn't Harry's father. The Lizard was a completely different guy.
THIS
She's probably confusing the different Spider-Man series. She's pretty good at misremembering things.
She famously watched this movie thinking it was Spider-man 2 😂 It's kind of a whole thing
You are quite right-Norman Osborne(Green Goblin)was the villain in the first Spider-Man movie,starring Tobey Maguire and Willem Dafoe.
In “The Amazing Spider-Man”,Rhys Ifans played Dr. Curt Connors,alias the Lizard.
Also: Sally Field in Soapdish. The movie poster doesn't spoil the movie. Its just fun.
Great pick! It's hilarious and she'd love it.
Well, it's fun if you ignore the ending. Not quite as bad as the ending of Ace Ventura but along the same lines.
@@MarkCalise One of the best movie endings of al time, but what should I expect from someone that made it all the way to the end of "Ace Ventura."
Now you are ready to watch and understand No Way Home, and without spoiling anything, girl you are in for a ride.
The guy who played Electro is Jamie Foxx, and he's awesome.
Let me explain the Gwen/Mary Jane thing. In the comics, Gwen Stacy was Peter Parker/Spider-Man's original girlfriend until Green Goblin killed her in the comics. Mary Jane came afterward and eventually became his wife. MJ was actually supposed to get an appearance in ASM 2, but that scene was cut.
Do you think Ashleigh needs to see the Venom movies before for No Way Home?
She is not ready for No Way Home, but then again none of us were.
@@chrisbrown3907it’s not super important. But there is a scene at the end of the movie that connects to the credits scene in Venom 2 that is at least neat/fun.
Not quite. She'll have questions about who the lawyer is that caught the brick if she hasn't seen Daredevil yet.
@@chrisbrown3907 Nobody needs to see the Venom movies, ever.
Lake Geneva is in Switzerland....it's one of the largest lakes in Europe & a very popular tourist attraction as it is set in the Alps so views are incredible.
I think there's also one in Wisconsin.
@@kw7378a1 Lake Geneva, WI is where Gary Gygax developed the original Dungeons and Dragons back in the 70s.
People shouldn't blame MARC WEBB for the failure of this franchise
They should blame AVI ARAD for stuffing so many characters for the sake of toys sales
Trying to do a Spiderman Cinematic Universe like Marvel did with their stuff didnt turn out too well. WarnerBros/DC had to find that out the hardway too... you cant do in 2 movies with 1 Hero what the MCU did in 5 Movies with 6 heroes (granted CLint was half out of Avengers 1).
You can still see it with their Spidey Movies, the ones that do NOT have MARVELS help (aka the Venoms, Morbius... doubt Madame Web is gonna be any good either... Verdict on KRaven The Hunter still pending, at least its Rated R), those movies Sony does on their own still suck big time. Not counting the animated Spidermans
@@IH8YH the biggest mistake Sony did was to put Arad in charge of everything
I saw Spider-man NWH on opening night. When the movie ended with Sony's message "Dedicated to the original true believer...Avi Arad" several people burst out laughing and I heard someone behind me explain to his friends why everyone was laughing.
@@CrowTRobot
If there's one person that was a true believer was Laura Ziskin
Is because of her and her husband (the screenwriter Alvin Sargent) that the original trilogy and TASM1 had depth
It's Sony's fault, plain and simple.
That Scene with Sally and Andrew 'You're my boy' really hits you in the feels.
Andrew Garfield's acting during Gwen's death always gets to me. It's so darn sad.
I was shocked when Ashleigh accurately predicted about something.
She did see it before, so . . . Hahaha!
It’s going to age well
@@scottboswell6406she hasn’t seen No Way Home. I’m pretty sure that what they’re referring to
That she had already seen!
Oh yeah, I was like 😳😏
The ring tone is from the original Spiderman cartoon back in the 60's. He was also humming (or whistling) when Spiderman caught the man with the barbwire tattoo on his forehead (Rhino).
56:28 _"I swear on my life, if any of y'all tell me that any of the Spider Man movies going forward...that Aunt May dies? Oh, that's not true. Tom Holland's Aunt May is way young."_
Yes, Ashleigh. Yes, she is.
Gwen dying was a major plot point for Spidey from ~1974 on.
Sony made it part of the movie bc 1) We love Peter when he's miserable (so relateable) 2) Death is easy drama and 3) Sony was rebooting the series and MJ was Ms. Dunst's territory.
However, his BEST gf imho was Felecia Hardy aka the Black Cat. Really hope we get to see her soon.
I wouldn’t say that. It’s been shown a lot that she doesn’t really care for Peter Parker, only Spider-Man. Hell when she first found out about his secret identity originally she left him for it. Peter needs a woman who loves both sides, like Gwen or MJ
@@Tony2-Dirty So...one's dead and the other divorced him.
Felecia wins.
Besides, it's just a girlfriend.
@@MrRezRising yea as a short term girlfriend, Felicia is cool. But I was thinkin in a long term type deal. And it’s been shown that MJ and Peter can work (Ultimate Spider-Man, Insomniac Spider-Man, and Spiderverse). It’s just the main Earth comics that writers seem to hate him and MJ together. Plus like I said, the fact that Felicia does not care for the Peter side of him is kinda wack in the long run.
They actually filmed some scenes for this movie with a Mary Jane (played by Shailene Woodley). But they all got cut.
@@Tony2-Dirty Both Gwen and MJ were liabilities, the Goblin et al was all over them.
Weak upper body strength.
No, Felicia was best, and her 'take it or leave it' attitude was refreshing after all the heaviness from the classic GS, MJ.
And there was no 'long run' for Peter. Gwen died and, later, MJ clearly has issues with him being Spidey, so why would that be any better than Felicia's response to Peter's secret identity?
I think the message is, no one loves _everything_ about Peter/Spidey.
Interesting fact: Andrew and Emma were actually dating at the time and he told her to stay away from him for a week before filming the death scene so it would feel like he actually lost his girlfriend. That's some method acting!
Method acting _can_ totally work. It just helps to not be a douche, like _certain_ jokers I could name.
47:40 - Yes, Jack the Ripper was indeed active in London in the late 1880s. Also just because it came up a few times - Gwen was going to Oxford not London, they're about 2 hours' journey apart.
(Not meaning that as a dig, purely informative and freely admitting that you could name any two places in Tennessee and I wouldn't have a clue of the distance between them!)
She was flying into London though, there are no flights from NY to Oxford. Likely she would fly to Heathrow, train, bus, or cab to Kings Cross, then train from Kings Cross to Oxford.
@@vampdan Fair point, hadn't thought about her getting there!
In the comics there is a whole Spider-Man story where Spider-Man kills MJ through years of radioactive sperm exposure, they do think about these things 😂
Wow,that’s chilling.
@@thisspaceforrent5737Thankfully the radioactive sperm killing MJ was a stupid what if/alternate universe thing. Still dumb AF though.
@@BarryHart-xo1oy You fell for that BS?
@@alphanerd7221it’s a real comic
@@wump9066 Sure crazy person.
"It was part of his DNA it wasn't an electronic device." At least these still work when he gets a littlensad.
"Mary Jane" was played by Shailene Woodley in The Amazing Spider-Man 2 however we never got to see it!!
She was cast in the film & shot some scenes with Andrew Garfield who was working on Aunt May's broken car that is mentioned in the film but for one reason or another it was cut & we have NEVER seen the footage!! 🤯 If you Google it you can see the press photos taken on set of Shailene on a motorbike 🏍
Hans Zimmer knows how to set the right tone
well at least the people who write his music do
@@themiIesalmost every single composer has apprentices working under them. Zimmer owns a studio. He just gets more attention because of it. Hans Zimmer still does the majority of the work.
@@jackdonohue7893 It's not like his compositions take much work. It's pretty basic paint by numbers stuff.
Comic fact: When Gwen dies the time where the clock stops is at 1:21-1:22 is the number of the issue of the comic 121-122 "The Amazing Spider-man: Turning Point" aka "The Night Gwen Died" or "Green Goblin's Last Stand"
Andrew Garfield (Peter Parker) and Emma Stone (Gwen Stacy) had such good chemistry because the actors were really dating IRL...which Tom Holland and Zendaya are doing as well. Must be a running theme with Spidey actors and their on-screen love interests (tho I don't knownif Tobey and Kirsten Dunst ever dated).
They did. 2001. They broke up in early 2002. 🕸🕸🕸
@@MrRezRising I only found this out recently due to a WatchMojo video - What an interesting pattern that's been established!
This movie is underrated. Gwen is by far the most charismatic love interest spiderman has ever had.
1:03:32
Ashleigh: "I would not rewatch this movie because I don't want to sit down for 2 and a half hours"
Spoken after rewatching movie 😂😂😂
Andrew Garfield will personally always be my favorite Spider-Man. ❤ You can really tell with his performance how much of a die-hard Spider-Man he is and always was since childhood. And this is my personal favorite Spider-Man movie, aside from Across the Spider-Verse.
Toby was the best Peter, Andrew was the best Spidey, Tom is a perfect balance of both.
Andrews Spider-Man most accuratly captures the wit and snarky nature of the actual comics
So Fun Fact: The doctor/scientist studying Max is played by the same actor who played Celeborn, His name is Marton Csokas. He was born in New Zealand. He was also a small recurring role on Xena as the father of Xena's son.
Ashleigh being unintentionally hilarious:
"Instead of making a new problem, fix the _current_ one."
(A 'current' is also used in terms regarding electricity, which makes this choice of words hilarious since the 'problem' is an electrical one called Elektro.)
The switch from MJ to Gwen and back again happened because the 3 different series were not meant to be connected when they were made. That's why all the actors (except J J Jameson) were different in each series. It was just different creators having different takes on the Spiderman story. As well, they didn't want to rehash what had already been done.
Electro is Jamie Foxx.
Speaking of Jamie Foxx, you should see Ray. His best role ever.
GS vs MJ via the Comics;
Gwen Stacy was Peter Parker's first love and they had a deep connection, but her tragic death shaped his longing for a simpler and more innocent world.
Peter's romance with Mary Jane progressed further, even resulting in marriage, but it was eventually retconned out due to the belief that readers couldn't relate to a married superhero.
How did you like Collateral?
2nd point: Joe Quesada is an idiot.
Also... did you know that in 1981, for an SNL skit called "What I did on my summer vacation" Bill Murray spent a couple of weeks training with a minor league baseball team.
He got into 1 game. Played 6 innings. Didn't commit any errors in the field. Got 2 at bats.. AND HE GOT A HIT!
Bill Murray in in the books as having a hit in professional baseball! I know this isn't a Bill Murray movie.. but I know you love him and I'm a bit enhanced and it popped in my mind and I have a tendency to do these things and don't mind me!
Electro's theme is so awesome. It's one of my favorite. If you listen to it, the words are meant to represent Electro's inner voice. So it sounds like the inner voide of a paranoid person having a manic episode. It was such a cool way to communicate that this character isn't all there.
In Tobey Maguire Spiderman 1-3 it's Mary Jane Watson (MJ) ... In Andrew Garfield Spiderman it's Gwen Stacy ... In Tom Holland Spiderman it's Michelle Jones (MJ) PS... there's also a Gwen in the Tobey Maguire Spiderman played by Bryce Dallas Howard, but she only has a small role.
Both Felicity Jones ( 18:03 ) and Andrew Garfield had minor roles in episodes of Doctor Who during the David Tennant era.
"Fix the current one!" That was a high-level unintentional pun, there Ashleigh! Dads the world over will bow down to you!
"wants to keep talking" is the most kentucy-phrase i've ever heard from your mouth - your hubbie a lucky man.
As someone who read most of the original comics these movies are based on over a decade ago, it's getting darn near impossible for me NOT to spoil them for first time viewers. All I can say is "Wait for it..." over and over again.
I like how this s the second time you've watched this film and you still don't know the villain is Jamie Foxx.
The easiest answer why Gwen..
because there were already 3 movies with MJ.
Btw. Gwen was also part of the Toby McGuire movies.
He saved her life and redid the upside down kiss with her in front of a crowd (and MJ).
Oh yeah…
Ashleigh, The original Spider-Man was the comic book one, & he had webshooters. It's prettymuch only the Tobey Macguire Spider-Man who has organic webshooters. Every other iteration has made their own webshooters. & they did so as a testament to Peter's intelligence. It's supposed to show just how brilliant Peter's mind is.
& Gwen Stacy was Peter's first girlfriend in the comics. She died much the way she dies in this. Mary Jane wasn't introduced until after.
In the old days we had to use Tokens to pay for a subway ride. In the mid to late 90s we transitioned into the MetroCard but yes there are many abandoned subway stations in the system
"Hasn't Peter Parker been through enough??"
Runner up to "With great power, comes great responsibility" for most relevant tagline for Spiderman.
Ashleigh: "Oh, they're going to break up at least one more time in this movie. That's just how it works for Spider-Man."
Me: Yeah, but it's a real big break.
Two of the actors in this film are nominated for Oscars this year.
3 of the people in this movie, Sally Field, Jamie Foxx, & Emma Stone (1 of those nominated this year along with Paul Giamatti), are already Best Actress/Actor Oscar winners.
I love how when Spider-Man 1st fights electro he tried to use empathy 1st and when that didn’t work he then he kicked his as$. But I love how he tried to help him first.
In regular life, what doesn't kill you makes you strong. In comic books, what kills you gives you powers.
Spider man first appeared in a comic in 1962. Since then there have been many adaptations on-screen. Each adaptation picks its own parts of the huge amount of comic lore to focus on.
If no one else has explained it (and the probably have), Gwen Stacy was Peter's first serious love interest in the comics. She died in the comics, too. When the firstTobey McGuire movie skipped her, went straight to MJ, then introduced Gwen as a side character in Spider-Man 3, it felt like a slight on her. Many fans were glad to see her played so well in the Amazing Spider-Man movies like she deserved.
Geneva is a real city on Switzerland.
Jack the Ripper was in England.
MJ (Mary Jane), Gwen, and MJ (Michelle Jones-Watson) so, different MJs.
An almost forgotten hunk actor is Clint Walker. He towered over his peers masculine physique and was actually very successful in variety of movies and TV . Cheyenne was his most famous. Worked at a lot of different jobs before being discovered by Rock Hudson's talent agent.
No tears for Gwen!? What!? It's one of the most heartbreaking moments in cinema history.
I think it’s because she didn’t believe she actually died at first. Either way, I’m sure they’ll come. Indirectly…
There have been EIGHT live action Spider-Man movies and this DEFINITELY has the BEST and MOST BEAUTIFUL score out of all of them. The score in the first scene with Spider-Man and again at the end - GORGEOUS!!!!
Final Fun Fact - I swear: Spider-Man's webs have been said to have a tensile strength strong enough to even hold Hulk for a brief amount of time. They are very VERY strong. He also keeps various different cartridges, with varying web effects. That being said no matter how "strong" the webs are. they are biodegradable, meaning they dissolve themselves after a certain amount of time (generally about an hour or two) and they are rather easily cut with sharp edges. So while they cannot be easily ripped apart with bare hands, a good survival knife will will do the trick.
This movie was supposed to be the set up for a whole new Cinematic Universe. Norman's secretary was a villain called The Black Cat. In the room at the end you see various villain weapons like Doctor Ock's tentacles and Vulture's wings.
The reason why the original trilogy and TASM1 were memorable, was because of the producer LAURA ZISKIN
It was because of her and her husband (the screenwriter Alvin Sargent) that the movies had depth
Unfortunately, she died in 2011, during the production of TASM1
Without her, there was no one to stop Arad from destroying the franchise
Spider-Man was nothing without her
Okay crazy person.
"Spiderman, Just another guy who ends up with sticky fingers after using the web" ---Deadpool
I believe it's actually written in the Marvel "bible" that Peter Parker can never really experience happiness, at least not for long, and the greater the happiness he does experience, the harder the inevitable fall.
It's that pathos, the falls, and how he still gets back up to fight the good fight, that are a very large reason he's so popular. People identify with his pain, and the fact that he always gets back up is an inspiration to readers/watchers who don't feel like they can.
Yeah the 80's crap on that theory. Spider-Man is usually happy.
Fun Fact: Water, as in pure H20 is a very poor conductor, however due to the fact that pure H20 is hard to come by without some form of a contaminate (such as bathwater with all sorts of stuff from your body and such) it becomes a much better conductor.
The good stuff in this one is SO good. I love all the Electro scenes. Very glad to hear you geek out over the music, which really puts the action scenes over the top.
You should also watch the Venom movies and the first animated Spider Verse movie before No Way Home
Nobody should watch those turds.
Some context for the comparison between the different versions.
The mechanical web-shooters vs the natural: In the source material (the comics) to my recollection there was only one time that the webbing was natural, and that was a story arc where the spider portion became dominant, and Peter no longer even looked human. All other times Peter relied on his scientific and engineering genius to supplement his supernatural powers, he developed the shooters as well as a few other gizmos to help in his crime fighting.
Gwen vs MJ: in the comics Gwen was his first love interest, starting in high school. MJ came along later when they were young adults, their meeting was arranged by Aunt May and one of her friends who played matchmaker and set up a blind date.
"The villain is just gonna let him have this little pep talk?"
Honestly if any villains would, it'd be his. In the comics some of them, most of them, can actually be pretty relatable. Sometimes even wholesome, like when Rhino got him a birthday present.
When Gwen falls, and the clock is shown for a split second, it stops at 1:21.
And Spider-Man issue 121 was the comic that Gwen met the same fate
In the comics Peter's first girlfriend was Betty Brant then for a very short time he dated Mary Jane before Gwen Stacy who was his first long time girlfriend. Another if his comic book girlfriends also appears in this film: Felicia Hardy.
Fun fact. The time that the clock strikes to cut the web that causes Gwen’s death matches the comic book issue number that she dies in. 1:21 am and issue 121.
Ash: She is gonna get her foot stuck or something.
Me. Yes.....or something.
40:08 ... Yeah, there are actually plenty of abandoned subway and train stations worldwide. To my knowledge, they're often very hard to access or even walled off... but there's tons of them.
Regarding the hand print entrance.
Back in the 1990's I got to install furniture at a military base that required retina scans to get in.
Handprint security is primitive in comparison.
What ive learned from watching this....Ashleigh has to watch "From Hell"
It was revealed there was a much darker version of the movie, particularly when it came to Gwen's Death scene. In the original draft the Goblin was supposed to have seen Gwen dead and would have begun laughing at Peters loss.
Also... Ashleigh with the precognitive foreshadowing... enjoy the Tom Holland films.
"Instead of making a new problem, fix the current one."
The electric current one?
"Instead of causing a new problem, fix the current one" is the best unintended pun 😅
Yeah, Aunt May ALWAYS new more than she let on. That heartbreaking scene in the PS4 game where she tells Spider-Man to take off his mask because she wants to look at her nephew, was also done in the comics a couple decades earlier (in the 90's if I remember correctly) except in the comics she says she's known for years that he was Spider-Man.
So there's a deleted /alternate scene at the end of the movie showing Peter at Gwen's Grave (although to be fair it could have been Uncle Ben's grave) and a man just walks up beside Peter. Petere doesn't notice at first because he's lost in thought, but he looks up casually and sees his Father standing there. They get into a kind of mini argument - basically the "where have you been stuff.
The director himself LOVED the scene and thought it was very emotionally charged and well performed, but test audiences felt the scene stole all the emotion away from Gwen's death that just happened like not even two minutes ago, essentially delegating her death to the background.
The one constant in Spider-Man comics, that old Parker luck.
Nothing can ever go too well for Peter. There must always be some level of suffering.
Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man was the first big budget Hollywood adaptation of Spider-Man. It had 2 sequels. Then the whole franchise was rebooted with Amazing Spider-Man (Andrew Garfield). After that MCU worked out copyright issues with Sony and brought Spider-Man into MCU with a new set of Spider-Man movies (Tom Holland). So 3 sets of Spider-Man movies set in 3 separate Timelines/Universes.
In some corner of the multiverse Spidey and MJ's daughter is Anna-May Parker.
"The Night Gwen Stacy Died" was such a major event in comic books that it has its own Wikipedia page.
25:25 - The ORIGINAL Spider man has web shooters. Tobey is the ONLY Spiderman to have glands.
27:13 - Electricity flows in paths called 'circuits.' When multiple circuits cross, the power feeds back and overloads. This is called a 'short circuit.' Like you said, water's a conductor, so it's very good at causing short circuits.
47:02 - Gwen (not Glenn) was Peter's original girlfriend. MJ came after...
56:09 - This is how it happened in the comics (Mostly. In the comics she didn't hit her head, the force of being stopped by Spidey's web was so sudden that her neck snapped). The McGuire Spiderman recreated the scene with a happier outcome.
56:28 - ...
"...what an awful graduation day."
I see your Spider Man and raise you Eurotrip.
Granted, there wasn't any death involved, but it WAS humiliating beyond belief.
Oh, Scotty fucking knows NOW...
56:35 “eh that’s not gonna happen, Tom holland’s aunt may is way young”
Right…