Me: "Oooo I really want that!!!" My Apc9k at home: "but I have a holographic sight and a $600 collapsing brace and a wolfman that you bought just for me! Love me god damnit!"
I’m debating selling my NIB APC9 Pro and putting the money towards one of these limited models, unless I find good evidence that the SPC9 PDW SD would be the better buy.
Wish it'd come in a pistol variant and Form 1 it. I do prefer the B&T folding stock as on the APC9 Pro you demonstrated. Wait times for NFA form 4 would be in excess of 8 months to get it.
@Carlos Castillo oops obviously I meant form 4 since an Optimus is a retail can. Now my first can a YHM Sidewinder took 8 months but that was a paper form 4.
So is this lower actually lighter than the standard lower? Probably not for me since I already have an apc with the trigger upgrade and the stock. The slightly enlarged mag well is nice though.
Different design and mechanics. The APC9 is far less gas sensitive (and more) reliable when suppressed than the MPX. There’s a reason the APC9 family of firearms has been adopted by the US Army, US Secret Service, and US Customs & Border Patrol (none of which have adopted the Sig MPX) It’s simply the best.
For me,i went with an apc9 pro because primarily i was going to shoot it suppressed. If you do research, the mpx is a nightmare to suppress. Most people end up buying a different barrel....particularly a barrel from in lead we trust. Screw that,imagine dropping 2k on an mpx & have to buy another barrel to shoot accurate suppressed. Nope
‘Cheap’ as in less expensive? Absolutely. ‘Cheap’ as in less effective and less qualitative? Nope. Again... let’s see some trial data that qualifies your statement. I’m not talking specs... a 1911 A1 has different and more qualitative ‘specs’ than an FN .57, which suggests higher quality and greater longevity. But it’s obviously an antiquated design. Look, I’m not trying to be argumentative, but you seem like a person focused on ‘gucci’ toys who’s deeply in debt to name brands, and less focused on purpose-driven tools. Where’s your range testing??? Where’s your real world experience (various cartridge manufacturers vs differing grain)??? Where’s your demonstrations showing these are superior to other manufacturers - suppressed??? It looks like you’re just going out and buying stuff... displaying it on the tube... making claims like ‘I prefer my 365 suppressed’ (though you don’t have suppressor height sights on it so I know for a fact you can’t even target it)... you’re posing. You wanna share something that you like because it looks cool and is overpriced... that’s cool. But don’t make claims that denigrate another brand when you haven’t even fired the ‘gucci gear’ you say is superior.
@@zebwalton979 I have experience with the Stribog, there’s a reason that it hasn’t been used by one single professional LE or Mil user. They aren’t comparable.
@CharleHoss214 B&T is better materials and machining. APCs have perfect triggers, controls, accuracy. Unfortunately I did have to replace the cheap grip on my APC9 as it is ridiculously thin and the butt of stock should have some rubber installed for grip. APCs run flawlessly. HK has better style and I feel the cool factor form my USP, MK23, SL8/G36, and UMP 45.
I’m a believer in different tools for different applications. The AR platform chambered in 5.56 performs very poorly with a 6.7” barrel, it’s also obnoxiously loud, and it doesn’t suppress well. Subguns are very good performers when a compact weapon system is needed or when a very quiet weapon is appropriate. This is why professional users like the US Army and US Secret Service have both options in their armory.
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The trigger difference is incredible.
This is my favorite channel for quality firearms reviews 👍
It really is- Thank you for the kind words! I’m glad you like the content!
I've got the APC9 Pro with an ACR stock. I Wish B&T would release their aluminum lower with the Elfmann trigger already installed.
That would be a cool option.
Me: "Oooo I really want that!!!"
My Apc9k at home: "but I have a holographic sight and a $600 collapsing brace and a wolfman that you bought just for me! Love me god damnit!"
Haha the struggle is real!
I’m debating selling my NIB APC9 Pro and putting the money towards one of these limited models, unless I find good evidence that the SPC9 PDW SD would be the better buy.
Nice comparison. Would have loved if u went over the new stock a bit more
Thank you, originally I did but I cut that part to keep the video short.
Awesome piece. I’ll buy one. Beautiful.
I recommend it! 😅
Very nice. Great guy to do business with
Thanks Russell, I appreciate your business!
Wish it'd come in a pistol variant and Form 1 it. I do prefer the B&T folding stock as on the APC9 Pro you demonstrated. Wait times for NFA form 4 would be in excess of 8 months to get it.
E form 4 is faster.
@@angryGTS I'm currently eForming my RC2 suppressor, I'm looking at 9 months for process, same process for SBRs. eForm 1 is maybe a month and a half.
@@CarlosCastillo-ud6dl maybe I got lucky. My e form 1 for my Optimus 9 suppressor took 90 days.
@@angryGTS absolutely, if you made your own suppressor (form 1) it would be faster than transferring (form 4) to your name.
@Carlos Castillo oops obviously I meant form 4 since an Optimus is a retail can. Now my first can a YHM Sidewinder took 8 months but that was a paper form 4.
Any word on a k model?
Also, does the map price include stock/brace? Are pistol versions available or just sbr?
A K isn’t available at this time. The MAP price includes everything. These are currently only offered as factory SBRs.
So is this lower actually lighter than the standard lower? Probably not for me since I already have an apc with the trigger upgrade and the stock. The slightly enlarged mag well is nice though.
It’s a billet machined aluminum receiver, an interesting upgrade over polymer.
The ump-45s little cousin
Similar but not.
The limiteds only come as SBRs correct?
Correct- but you get an MBT stock 😮
So if you buy the APC9 Pro pistol, plus a form 1, can you still be within 922(r) compliancy and spend less money than the limited?
If you buy an APC9 and try to make it 922R compliant and add the same components you will spend more than the cost of the Limited.
I'll take 2 👍 👌
I know a guy 😊
Is the barrel free floated?😊
Yes, the barrel is mounted directly into the monolithic receiver.
I don’t get it man... How is this different in quality than a Sig MPX K?
Different design and mechanics. The APC9 is far less gas sensitive (and more) reliable when suppressed than the MPX. There’s a reason the APC9 family of firearms has been adopted by the US Army, US Secret Service, and US Customs & Border Patrol (none of which have adopted the Sig MPX) It’s simply the best.
Is there empirical evidence that qualifies your position? I’d like to see it.
@@zebwalton979 he’s coping with his enormous debt. Besides, the us military is garbage
For me,i went with an apc9 pro because primarily i was going to shoot it suppressed. If you do research, the mpx is a nightmare to suppress. Most people end up buying a different barrel....particularly a barrel from in lead we trust. Screw that,imagine dropping 2k on an mpx & have to buy another barrel to shoot accurate suppressed. Nope
These remind me of a Stribog.
The Stribog is a cheap knockoff of the original.
‘Cheap’ as in less expensive? Absolutely. ‘Cheap’ as in less effective and less qualitative? Nope. Again... let’s see some trial data that qualifies your statement. I’m not talking specs... a 1911 A1 has different and more qualitative ‘specs’ than an FN .57, which suggests higher quality and greater longevity. But it’s obviously an antiquated design.
Look, I’m not trying to be argumentative, but you seem like a person focused on ‘gucci’ toys who’s deeply in debt to name brands, and less focused on purpose-driven tools.
Where’s your range testing???
Where’s your real world experience (various cartridge manufacturers vs differing grain)???
Where’s your demonstrations showing these are superior to other manufacturers - suppressed???
It looks like you’re just going out and buying stuff... displaying it on the tube... making claims like ‘I prefer my 365 suppressed’ (though you don’t have suppressor height sights on it so I know for a fact you can’t even target it)... you’re posing.
You wanna share something that you like because it looks cool and is overpriced... that’s cool. But don’t make claims that denigrate another brand when you haven’t even fired the ‘gucci gear’ you say is superior.
@@zebwalton979 I have experience with the Stribog, there’s a reason that it hasn’t been used by one single professional LE or Mil user. They aren’t comparable.
B&T is flawless but I will always be stuck on H&K
Both are excellent.
B&T has better performance
@CharleHoss214 B&T is better materials and machining. APCs have perfect triggers, controls, accuracy. Unfortunately I did have to replace the cheap grip on my APC9 as it is ridiculously thin and the butt of stock should have some rubber installed for grip. APCs run flawlessly. HK has better style and I feel the cool factor form my USP, MK23, SL8/G36, and UMP 45.
@Andrew Hartl hand grips is one time fix. Mp5 extractor has replaced ever 600 rounds.
That gun is 3 bands
Yes
Moistcritical? 👀
I get this a lot.
Weird how an ar does everything better and is a third the price
I’m a believer in different tools for different applications. The AR platform chambered in 5.56 performs very poorly with a 6.7” barrel, it’s also obnoxiously loud, and it doesn’t suppress well. Subguns are very good performers when a compact weapon system is needed or when a very quiet weapon is appropriate. This is why professional users like the US Army and US Secret Service have both options in their armory.