Wholeheartedly agree with these takes. Imo, anything other than running a shotgun/fusion defensively is dead. I am an aggressive sniper player and recently can't be bothered to waste ammo.
For me, an SMG/Sniper main, the issue isn't having to earn green, its that now everyone sits back with scout/pulse, scout/auto so for me to earn my green I have to push every engagement to get in optimal range and it just gets old. I know, I know scout/pulse, scout/auto is available to me too, but I hate that playstyle so I guess its either play the way I hate or have a miserable experience. Good times.
used to run a sidearm and sniper before changes . not the best shot with my snipe but it was good for long range. now i am scared to take or try to take a shot with it so i changed to double primary and get more kills with my long range than i would when running a sniper even if i hit my heads
Bro im thinking a 100% Like u. Ist was not fun to Play the Last weeks. Like ist Always the Same, Same enemy loadouts, Same enemy guns and If you wabt to Play fun guns or try Things Out you get cookt because of Meta guns and sbmm..
Lack of super variety in PvP definitely needs addressing. Resilience check at 7, I hate it, before it was 6 because of thorn. Why do I have to go into crucible with a disadvantage if I don't spec for 7 Resilience, it should be no more than halfway. Give mobility stat a buff then. Main topic on Special changes overall bad and not fun. Earning ammo great don't have to run over to get it or teammate grabbing it. The rate at which we earn ammo needs to be sped up. 6s there should be a bit more special, maybe a blend of respawn with 1 shot and earn ammo. 3s I think extreme case in 1v3 situation. 2 primary kills should give you 1 special shot. P=Primary kill S=Special kill (S) = You get a special shot. PP(S), PSP(S) OR SPP(S) the loop to actually have an opportunity to clutch up and have those hero moments. Not a fan of crates. Our PvP trio have been playing alot less.
I feel mostly the same as you Awake. As a player that uses his shotgun defensively or for cleanups the changes don't affect me that much. For sniping, the odds of missing due to flinch is very high. Missing is so punishing the risk outweighs the reward. On top of that you get 'less practice' with sniping per match because you have less ammo per match available. Even in privates. You want to practice, go shoot dregs in the EDZ. I'd say if anything Fusions are the 2nd strongest special weapons at the moment. They have always been 'free kills' and now that has become uncontested due to you opponents not having ammo to 'uno reverse' you. The strongest specials right now are arguably (wave) GL's (with disruption break). Because you're getting your cleanup kills with primairy weapons, all kills progress to the Special Ammo Transmat.
Then maybe I’ve just been lucky because I haven’t run to any GLs or fusions at all. I think the only GLs I’ve seen were people who just brought in pve loadouts.
@@Awake_wl I haven’t run in to GL’s a lot myself either, but just objectively speaking they give you a near-instant kill on every gunfight and on top if that they progress towards new special ammo since it is not the special weapon actually getting the final blow.
I really am excited for this Your the best sniper I know of so I’m sure you felt this the most Yeah ik you like shoguns more but you have skill in sniping and ik for a fact these changes will effect that Same with me I really really was getting into sniping Inspired by your vids But now if I miss or generally am on a sniper we just lose And I have no room to grow cuz I literally never have ammo I’m forced to shotgun I’d say I’m the opposite of you Imo your better with a sniper but find shotgun fun I’m better with a shotgun but find snipers fun It hurts man especially cuz it feels like shotguns get more ammo just based on how they are used ya know
Nah I think you're spot on dude. I'm enjoying it enough, if you can hit a primary shot your numbers went up yaknow - but it's stale af compared to "Destiny"
Idk man personally I feel like special is pretty available overall. I will say I did slap on my 5/5 glacio that I got this past winter and it only get 1 shot so thats not cool maybe just give all specials like that 2 idk. I do REALLY like the special bar tho its very rewarding and again for me at least I still feel like there is plenty of special overall. I do run shotty or slug usually so thats probly y Im experiencing it in that way. I do 100% aggree with the “all supers” thing tho just cuz I do feel like roaming supers r actually pretty balanced against a well or a bubble side from shut downs, u actually have to play ur roaming almost perfectly to down a bubble or well and even then its a coin toss sometimes. There have been times where I get my hunter strand super and nuke a bubble or vice versa so y do I have to wait wayy longer when it’s basically a fair fight anyways? Idk def hard to find a balance between fun and actual balance for sure😂😂🎉
Yeah shotguns pretty much play the same I literally notice no difference and sometimes I have even more ammo than normal. Sniping I would say is pretty much completely dead especially if you’re just average or below average at it. Yeah I honestly enjoy roaming supers. Like some of the most fun I had in this game was like roaming super vs roaming super fights at the end of the game. So hype 😂
@@Awake_wl yeah Im def not the best snipe and even with snap opening mercurial god roIll still miss a lot. Def havent been trying really since just cuz if u miss one or both its a gg till next time 😂 but slugs r wayy better I swear I’m legit farming some games like jeezzz but I honestly dont mind the very increased use of primaries. Ill go into some games and only use my handcannon. 140’s r so slept on and with the buff there gonna have ooff Illl be farming for sure 😂
And that super thing u mentioned is so true. I used to be a Striker Titan but because of all the nerfs to thundercrash and the longer uptime it now has it's pritty ass now
I hated the new weapon changes cause it nerfed all hand cannons except igneous hammer basically. But other than that I like the changes I wish they implemented crates for special weapons though. Plus now we can see the skill level in players I have died to special weapons less but people tend to double team more often.
Yeah igny is the only good HC in the game, but only because it's overstat and have 90% chance to get 2 good perks, and sadly they killed smg ( i dont say it's totally a bad thing but they are almost unsable especiallu when you ahve that much of different types of weapon)
Precision instrument totally bypasses the 3 crit requirement for 120's. They say they want more precision then introduce a perk that makes Iggy 2h1b still. It makes no sense at all, if you're going to make a change don't let a perk bypass that change.
Do you play on controller? Can we get a settings post or something I'm curious lol. I play on controller w/ 20 sens and 0.02 deadzone and you hit all of your snipes with whatever it is you're using it's impressive
For now you finally can go in fight with primary, not be sniped by dork who sitting in scope and waiting for someone pick or running apes with shotty/fusion on you and this repeating round by round. Unfortunately Bungo desided to return things in past for special ammo bricks, welp two weeks be again floatted in sitting snipers with cloudstrike and smg and runners with shotty.
Hey Awake, I've seen a couple of your videos and I have a question. I've played Dawblade for a while now, on console. First floating with a pulse similar to how GoldExgle does, then with handcanons etc etc. I don't have a problem with it or anything, but the only thing that bothers me is sniping while floating. On the ground I don't have an issue, I can be aggressive and slide around corners with it, use them close range, I'm very confident in my ability. Howver a flip seems to switch when I'm midair and I have considerable trouble. I CAN still hit it, but headshots aren't too often. I don't have a problem floating in any other scenario, is it a mental thing? Any tips on it? Thank you! Also, for some reason borealis on void setting for aim assist feels phenomenal midair, mayhe its a weapon zoom thing.
This is the Airbourne Effectiveness system that they implemented several seasons ago. Basically your cone accuracy is increased while in the air if you don't have a weapon/ exotic armour that increases your AE.
@Mrg0219 Yeah, I don't have an issue with any other weapons midair, I've found out it's mostly just a weapon zoom thing. 45-50 zoom snipers feel fantastic midair.
Special ammo changes have been terrible and will continue till he terrible. If you don’t wanna get sniped don’t peek easy sniper lanes. They just change the game to cater to the average player. It’s not hard to not get sniped, same goes for fusion users. It was balanced before because each special ammo gun was good at what it did. The game revolved around playstyle, not weapons.
I think special ammo being special is balanced. Weapon strength is still somewhat based off of the way they had it set up since d1. Primary weapons deal less damage shot for shot than specials. In d1 we used primaries for basic enemies/ unshielded enemies (pve) specials were higher damage plus an easy way to strip the shield of a combatant, and heavys were even more powerful than specials. So for the special ammo to be easily accessible for the entire game means running a primary would just be an all around less effective ttk. 2 people of equal decent skill, give one an auto rifle, give the other a special, 9 times out of 10 im betting the special wins. Ive been enjoying having firefights with people. But thats just for regular crucible. However I do think it should be more accessible in trials where strategy and skill would be more focused.
Yeah my issue with bubble is like how do you even kill it? It’s pretty much impossible right now. I feel like if someone popped bubble but you had a roaming super at the same time it would completely change things.
I agree with your points. One thing we have to keep in mind is that bungie let pvp get absolutely awful for the last 5 years. They didn't care one bit. So now, the pvp strike team has to fix an insane amount of issues. Sometimes I see ppl saying the strike team isn't doing good and it's just not true. They are testing and experimenting to give us an optimal experience. We just need to keep giving proper feedback like you have. I believe we are going to end up in a good spot. But for now, it's gonna be a lot of ups and downs haha
Oh yeah I am not trying to hate on them or anything I think they are doing great honestly. Just the fact that they reworked the whole system and are already testing something else is amazing. Honestly bungie as a whole has been cooking recently I’m not gonna lie haha
I've just returned to Destiny and I'm a little disappointed about the current state. I always enjoyed doing plays by shutting down supers as non-supered player either by movement or a clutch snipe. I enjoyed super economy being a part of the game. Now I understand why well, bubble and barrage are meta and why people don't play strands and other crazy stuff outside of 6v6. Thanks for making that summary.
"i play for fun" that exactly what i said when they made these changes, i don't like holding hands with my auto rifle teammates. The game is loosing its fun factor for me.
I agree with your opinion but like we don’t have the same definition of balance. To me balance would be like every play style is equally or somewhat equally effective. like I don’t get how little sense saying our current sandbox is balanced makes. it’s like saying the game is balanced but like there is only one loadout that’s viable. that’s called unbalanced. until snipers gls, trace rifles fusions and every other specials are just as effective as shotguns the game won’t be balanced. and about supers that’s a tough thing to balance like what you seem to be suggesting would be that trials work like mayham and the alternatives would be double the wells and bubbles but you get a single behemoth super. would also be a pain.
What are your thoughts on making roaming supers just weaker and lower their cooldowns? Instead of some having 50% DR make it 25% DR but in turn they come up 2 min faster? (Also fix spectral blade hit registration my goodness)
Yeah something like this is what I personally would like to see. I would like a way so that every super is possible in a 4-4 game, maybe the stronger ones take longer to get, but the faster ones you cannot get twice in the match, if that makes sense. I’m ok with different cooldowns but I wouldn’t want to see Bubble still be meta because you can get 2 of them per game or something like that
@@Awake_wl yeah it’s really boring tbh. Also what are your thoughts on buffing arc hunter? It’s my fav class but kind of just can’t hang well. Especially with the special changes, used to be a CQC demon but I run out of ammo mid triple kill lol
@@chrismesserian4035 I like arc hunter I think it has potential it’s just really hard to tell what’s actually good anymore because bubble and well are just so insane it kinda makes everything else bad.
@@Awake_wl All g my man :P And about your points, this is what I have been thinking about after watching your videos and many other creators sharing their two cents 1) Bungo cannot please everyone and there is no clear middle ground they can tread 2) That AND people really doesn't like change These two points can be applied to mostly everything. Like, dude, I'm sure you have seen the reaction of everyone when hcs got kneecapped "nooooo my 75k kills 5\5 rose isn't the best gun in the whole game :ccccc bungo plx fix" Igneous hammer got arguably better because with precision instrument it SURVIVED the nerf, therefore people flocked to it instead so we went from hc meta to hc meta, hooraay And that is just the tip of the iceberg Making the game more competitive oriented hurts the casual playerbase Why yes, having less ammo is a big deal to people that doesn't miss their shots But an even bigger deal to john new light, which now has like 6 sniper rounds in a whole match to learn how to snipe I didn't even touch on the supers, but we have better things to do than prolong a wall of text, don't we?
yes say it brother we need more fun I'm tired of well and bubble ( I mostly play strand hunter) not getting my super when the game is on the line is so frustrating and there are so many other subclasses that are actually pretty good but we don't use cause of this Meta
Yeah it’s weird to me to only allow some of the supers in. Like I said I feel like it should be all supers or no supers. Yeah things like strand titan, arc hunter, Solar titan would be way better if the supers were available without needing orbs from a bubble to get them
I feel so good running around and not get shotgun and sniper all the time and my close range aim actually improved, as a bad pvp player i can say crucible is so enjoyable now
Fusions are dead? No? Everyone sure loves shotguns, sure, but that doesn't really mean you can't slay out with fusions in a lot of the match's duration. Of course, you need ammo and fusion rifle one-shots don't help you earn more, but the same thing applies to shotguns as well. There's a different problem if you're not one-shotting players with a shotgun that much. Really, I just think that snipers and grenade launchers are suffering due to the changes. The only reason I'm not using a fusion right now is because I'm currently enjoying the primary fights a lot and I also have a crippling glaive addiction. About supers though, I think they should just reduce the duration of Well and Bubble in the Crucible. Maybe by 10 seconds. Just my opinion. Might make choice matter more and they will still have decent utility for objective purposes.
I mean I haven’t been fusioned in trials once since the change. And the kill numbers on trials report plummeted from where they were so relative to the last 7 years of destiny yes they are dead. A nerfed well or bubble will still be absolutely stronger than a class that has no well or bubble though
I don't really get killed by special weapons in Trials that much in general. You must have some really aggressive matches compared to what I end up with. Shotguns are more popular in the first place though. They always have been, regardless of how strong fusions ever were in the past. The common play style leans towards them, especially for players familiar with other FPS games. I can only agree that they aren't popular.
Yeah I always laugh at people rage messaging about what I’m using or what takes skill. Like dude look what we’re playing lol I’m just messing around for some fun. I’m max rank in comp and play a lot of sweats and they take the shit so serious and treat it like there gonna go pro or something in a game with snipers that send down lightning bolts and barricades with over shields lol.
Ngl bruh these changes didn’t change a damn thing Shotguns are still busted as ever Sidearms (especially helio) are so cracked that smgs have no place Autos are a genuine issue not just precisions Which speaking of I thought these changes were supposed to encourage landing shots Yet before I get the third shot with a hc I get beamed by an auto who missed half his shots It really feels like the faster firing guns are superior And also shotguns are more of an issue now because everyone uses conditional I haven’t seen a single matador since and it’s probably because bubble Which ngl just remove the tier system Why tf abilities aren’t tied to stats anymore There’s no world where one thing should be faster than another because all it does is make people use the same stuff (just like before the system) and forces you to use the fastest thing or be at a MASSIVE disadvantage I absolutely love nova warp but when was the last time you ever saw that Yeah THATS AN ISSUE while before that change you’d get nova bomb and warp at the same time Sure it made warp better cuz it’s “roaming” but you had options plus there was a fair balance of roaming and shutdowns And if you were skilled with a roaming you could dodge shutdowns and vice versa But we no longer get super v super fights at round 3 no more Now it’s just camp point with overshields Get a guaranteed win with bubble and it snowballs You can’t win a 1v3 anymore and whoever gets bubble first wins the whole game Supers were a way to change the game not outright win it And yet again everyone just uses the same stuff so what did tiers even change Nothing All it did was make the game worse Honestly I’d rather roaming supers be meta cuz at least your engaging in the game Plus there IS a skill gap with supers But generally it’s a way for EVERYONE to be able to change the outcome of the match Again NOT OUTRIGHT WIN yet here we are Sorry it’s so long i really just miss ability being solely tied to your stats
Yeah my biggest issue with the primaries in checkmate is that it doesn’t reward precision weapons like you’d think, it rewards spam weapons like sidearms, auto, and Smgs. Like a hand cannon punishes you for missing but also doesn’t reward you with a better ttk. Igneous is an outlier but it’s really just the crazy range and teamshotting aspect. I pretty much agree on the supers. I used to love like spectral vs nova warp fights and stuff like that
I think the issue with special ammo is the tracking of them and also the non snowballing they offer, maybe increasing the progress with kills with special ammo could be a good idea To bring back snips, the only solution i see is making a jauge for each type of special weapons
Wholeheartedly agree with these takes. Imo, anything other than running a shotgun/fusion defensively is dead. I am an aggressive sniper player and recently can't be bothered to waste ammo.
For me, an SMG/Sniper main, the issue isn't having to earn green, its that now everyone sits back with scout/pulse, scout/auto so for me to earn my green I have to push every engagement to get in optimal range and it just gets old. I know, I know scout/pulse, scout/auto is available to me too, but I hate that playstyle so I guess its either play the way I hate or have a miserable experience. Good times.
The fact that they changed the ammo economy AND nerfed snipers aim assist cones was just excessive...
I like using trace rifles in pvp and now there totally dead
used to run a sidearm and sniper before changes . not the best shot with my snipe but it was good for long range. now i am scared to take or try to take a shot with it so i changed to double primary and get more kills with my long range than i would when running a sniper even if i hit my heads
Yeah sniping is pretty much completely dead. I almost dismantled all of my snipers to make vault space 😂
110% agree on all your points
Bro im thinking a 100% Like u.
Ist was not fun to Play the Last weeks.
Like ist Always the Same, Same enemy loadouts, Same enemy guns and If you wabt to Play fun guns or try Things Out you get cookt because of Meta guns and sbmm..
Lack of super variety in PvP definitely needs addressing.
Resilience check at 7, I hate it, before it was 6 because of thorn. Why do I have to go into crucible with a disadvantage if I don't spec for 7 Resilience, it should be no more than halfway. Give mobility stat a buff then.
Main topic on Special changes overall bad and not fun.
Earning ammo great don't have to run over to get it or teammate grabbing it.
The rate at which we earn ammo needs to be sped up.
6s there should be a bit more special, maybe a blend of respawn with 1 shot and earn ammo.
3s I think extreme case in 1v3 situation.
2 primary kills should give you 1 special shot.
P=Primary kill S=Special kill
(S) = You get a special shot.
PP(S), PSP(S) OR SPP(S) the loop to actually have an opportunity to clutch up and have those hero moments.
Not a fan of crates.
Our PvP trio have been playing alot less.
I feel mostly the same as you Awake.
As a player that uses his shotgun defensively or for cleanups the changes don't affect me that much.
For sniping, the odds of missing due to flinch is very high. Missing is so punishing the risk outweighs the reward. On top of that you get 'less practice' with sniping per match because you have less ammo per match available. Even in privates. You want to practice, go shoot dregs in the EDZ.
I'd say if anything Fusions are the 2nd strongest special weapons at the moment. They have always been 'free kills' and now that has become uncontested due to you opponents not having ammo to 'uno reverse' you.
The strongest specials right now are arguably (wave) GL's (with disruption break). Because you're getting your cleanup kills with primairy weapons, all kills progress to the Special Ammo Transmat.
Then maybe I’ve just been lucky because I haven’t run to any GLs or fusions at all. I think the only GLs I’ve seen were people who just brought in pve loadouts.
@@Awake_wl I haven’t run in to GL’s a lot myself either, but just objectively speaking they give you a near-instant kill on every gunfight and on top if that they progress towards new special ammo since it is not the special weapon actually getting the final blow.
I really am excited for this
Your the best sniper I know of so I’m sure you felt this the most
Yeah ik you like shoguns more but you have skill in sniping and ik for a fact these changes will effect that
Same with me I really really was getting into sniping
Inspired by your vids
But now if I miss or generally am on a sniper we just lose
And I have no room to grow cuz I literally never have ammo
I’m forced to shotgun
I’d say I’m the opposite of you
Imo your better with a sniper but find shotgun fun
I’m better with a shotgun but find snipers fun
It hurts man especially cuz it feels like shotguns get more ammo just based on how they are used ya know
Nah I think you're spot on dude. I'm enjoying it enough, if you can hit a primary shot your numbers went up yaknow - but it's stale af compared to "Destiny"
Yeah I mean my numbers are up stat wise it’s just going to get kinda old for me tbh
Ps love the Phonk background music
It’s so good almost makes me wanna make montages again
Idk man personally I feel like special is pretty available overall. I will say I did slap on my 5/5 glacio that I got this past winter and it only get 1 shot so thats not cool maybe just give all specials like that 2 idk. I do REALLY like the special bar tho its very rewarding and again for me at least I still feel like there is plenty of special overall. I do run shotty or slug usually so thats probly y Im experiencing it in that way. I do 100% aggree with the “all supers” thing tho just cuz I do feel like roaming supers r actually pretty balanced against a well or a bubble side from shut downs, u actually have to play ur roaming almost perfectly to down a bubble or well and even then its a coin toss sometimes. There have been times where I get my hunter strand super and nuke a bubble or vice versa so y do I have to wait wayy longer when it’s basically a fair fight anyways? Idk def hard to find a balance between fun and actual balance for sure😂😂🎉
Yeah shotguns pretty much play the same I literally notice no difference and sometimes I have even more ammo than normal. Sniping I would say is pretty much completely dead especially if you’re just average or below average at it. Yeah I honestly enjoy roaming supers. Like some of the most fun I had in this game was like roaming super vs roaming super fights at the end of the game. So hype 😂
@@Awake_wl yeah Im def not the best snipe and even with snap opening mercurial god roIll still miss a lot. Def havent been trying really since just cuz if u miss one or both its a gg till next time 😂 but slugs r wayy better I swear I’m legit farming some games like jeezzz but I honestly dont mind the very increased use of primaries. Ill go into some games and only use my handcannon. 140’s r so slept on and with the buff there gonna have ooff Illl be farming for sure 😂
I agree on most parts. I am a Sniper player and rn it's not even close as good or enjoyable as it was before.
And that super thing u mentioned is so true. I used to be a Striker Titan but because of all the nerfs to thundercrash and the longer uptime it now has it's pritty ass now
I hated the new weapon changes cause it nerfed all hand cannons except igneous hammer basically. But other than that I like the changes I wish they implemented crates for special weapons though. Plus now we can see the skill level in players I have died to special weapons less but people tend to double team more often.
Yeah igny is the only good HC in the game, but only because it's overstat and have 90% chance to get 2 good perks, and sadly they killed smg ( i dont say it's totally a bad thing but they are almost unsable especiallu when you ahve that much of different types of weapon)
Precision instrument totally bypasses the 3 crit requirement for 120's. They say they want more precision then introduce a perk that makes Iggy 2h1b still. It makes no sense at all, if you're going to make a change don't let a perk bypass that change.
Have to agree with you about the state of the game with Special Ammo these days. Hopefully we will get better soon. Keep up the Great Work.
Do you play on controller? Can we get a settings post or something I'm curious lol. I play on controller w/ 20 sens and 0.02 deadzone and you hit all of your snipes with whatever it is you're using it's impressive
For now you finally can go in fight with primary, not be sniped by dork who sitting in scope and waiting for someone pick or running apes with shotty/fusion on you and this repeating round by round.
Unfortunately Bungo desided to return things in past for special ammo bricks, welp two weeks be again floatted in sitting snipers with cloudstrike and smg and runners with shotty.
Yeah I mean these would be issues with balancing which I agree I’d like them to balance the weapons
How do you do that air dash that you used a lot in the background gameplay? The one that makes you go third person a little bit
Use icarus dash
Hey Awake, I've seen a couple of your videos and I have a question.
I've played Dawblade for a while now, on console. First floating with a pulse similar to how GoldExgle does, then with handcanons etc etc. I don't have a problem with it or anything, but the only thing that bothers me is sniping while floating.
On the ground I don't have an issue, I can be aggressive and slide around corners with it, use them close range, I'm very confident in my ability. Howver a flip seems to switch when I'm midair and I have considerable trouble. I CAN still hit it, but headshots aren't too often. I don't have a problem floating in any other scenario, is it a mental thing? Any tips on it?
Thank you!
Also, for some reason borealis on void setting for aim assist feels phenomenal midair, mayhe its a weapon zoom thing.
This is the Airbourne Effectiveness system that they implemented several seasons ago. Basically your cone accuracy is increased while in the air if you don't have a weapon/ exotic armour that increases your AE.
@Mrg0219 Yeah, I don't have an issue with any other weapons midair, I've found out it's mostly just a weapon zoom thing. 45-50 zoom snipers feel fantastic midair.
@Dylan-jx2mq yeah so more zoom will reduce your aim Assist fall off distance. So your shots will be more sticky essentially
Special ammo changes have been terrible and will continue till he terrible. If you don’t wanna get sniped don’t peek easy sniper lanes. They just change the game to cater to the average player. It’s not hard to not get sniped, same goes for fusion users. It was balanced before because each special ammo gun was good at what it did. The game revolved around playstyle, not weapons.
It definitely wasn’t balanced before but was way more fun for me personally
I think special ammo being special is balanced. Weapon strength is still somewhat based off of the way they had it set up since d1. Primary weapons deal less damage shot for shot than specials. In d1 we used primaries for basic enemies/ unshielded enemies (pve) specials were higher damage plus an easy way to strip the shield of a combatant, and heavys were even more powerful than specials. So for the special ammo to be easily accessible for the entire game means running a primary would just be an all around less effective ttk. 2 people of equal decent skill, give one an auto rifle, give the other a special, 9 times out of 10 im betting the special wins. Ive been enjoying having firefights with people. But thats just for regular crucible. However I do think it should be more accessible in trials where strategy and skill would be more focused.
Yeah like I said in the video it’s more balanced for sure lol
ur pov on all of this problems seems more deeper than Diffizle have been talk about 3 days ago (nerf bubble, nerf bari, up AE)
Yeah my issue with bubble is like how do you even kill it? It’s pretty much impossible right now. I feel like if someone popped bubble but you had a roaming super at the same time it would completely change things.
@@Awake_wlp sure u can 1 hit a bubble or well with the burning maul but unless ur dropping every kill you aint gettin that super
@@ChickenJoe2.5 yeah people run it with bubbles on their own team to get orbs
I agree with your points. One thing we have to keep in mind is that bungie let pvp get absolutely awful for the last 5 years. They didn't care one bit. So now, the pvp strike team has to fix an insane amount of issues. Sometimes I see ppl saying the strike team isn't doing good and it's just not true. They are testing and experimenting to give us an optimal experience. We just need to keep giving proper feedback like you have. I believe we are going to end up in a good spot. But for now, it's gonna be a lot of ups and downs haha
Oh yeah I am not trying to hate on them or anything I think they are doing great honestly. Just the fact that they reworked the whole system and are already testing something else is amazing. Honestly bungie as a whole has been cooking recently I’m not gonna lie haha
@@Awake_wl Oh for sure! I wasn't implying you were hating haha. I even said you give proper feedback as more ppl should do!
I've just returned to Destiny and I'm a little disappointed about the current state. I always enjoyed doing plays by shutting down supers as non-supered player either by movement or a clutch snipe. I enjoyed super economy being a part of the game. Now I understand why well, bubble and barrage are meta and why people don't play strands and other crazy stuff outside of 6v6. Thanks for making that summary.
"i play for fun" that exactly what i said when they made these changes, i don't like holding hands with my auto rifle teammates. The game is loosing its fun factor for me.
Yeah I actually enjoy team shotting (idk I’m weird) but like when you don’t have special you can never even peek a team anymore lol
@@Awake_wl that's fair, I don't have a problem with team shooting I just want the option to not do that, and now it's Wayyy more difficult.
I agree with your opinion but like we don’t have the same definition of balance. To me balance would be like every play style is equally or somewhat equally effective. like I don’t get how little sense saying our current sandbox is balanced makes. it’s like saying the game is balanced but like there is only one loadout that’s viable. that’s called unbalanced. until snipers gls, trace rifles fusions and every other specials are just as effective as shotguns the game won’t be balanced. and about supers that’s a tough thing to balance like what you seem to be suggesting would be that trials work like mayham and the alternatives would be double the wells and bubbles but you get a single behemoth super. would also be a pain.
Balanced and “more balanced” are different things
Thank you, exactly how I feel.
yo man what’s that hand cannon you using?
What are your thoughts on making roaming supers just weaker and lower their cooldowns? Instead of some having 50% DR make it 25% DR but in turn they come up 2 min faster? (Also fix spectral blade hit registration my goodness)
Yeah something like this is what I personally would like to see. I would like a way so that every super is possible in a 4-4 game, maybe the stronger ones take longer to get, but the faster ones you cannot get twice in the match, if that makes sense. I’m ok with different cooldowns but I wouldn’t want to see Bubble still be meta because you can get 2 of them per game or something like that
@@Awake_wl yeah it’s really boring tbh. Also what are your thoughts on buffing arc hunter? It’s my fav class but kind of just can’t hang well. Especially with the special changes, used to be a CQC demon but I run out of ammo mid triple kill lol
@@chrismesserian4035 I like arc hunter I think it has potential it’s just really hard to tell what’s actually good anymore because bubble and well are just so insane it kinda makes everything else bad.
AAAAAAA, BANK YOUR CRESTS MAN, YOU WERE FULLLLLL
Ok I was learning the game mode😂
@@Awake_wl All g my man :P
And about your points, this is what I have been thinking about after watching your videos and many other creators sharing their two cents
1) Bungo cannot please everyone and there is no clear middle ground they can tread
2) That AND people really doesn't like change
These two points can be applied to mostly everything.
Like, dude, I'm sure you have seen the reaction of everyone when hcs got kneecapped
"nooooo my 75k kills 5\5 rose isn't the best gun in the whole game :ccccc bungo plx fix"
Igneous hammer got arguably better because with precision instrument it SURVIVED the nerf, therefore people flocked to it instead so we went from hc meta to hc meta, hooraay
And that is just the tip of the iceberg
Making the game more competitive oriented hurts the casual playerbase
Why yes, having less ammo is a big deal to people that doesn't miss their shots
But an even bigger deal to john new light, which now has like 6 sniper rounds in a whole match to learn how to snipe
I didn't even touch on the supers, but we have better things to do than prolong a wall of text, don't we?
yes say it brother we need more fun I'm tired of well and bubble ( I mostly play strand hunter) not getting my super when the game is on the line is so frustrating and there are so many other subclasses that are actually pretty good but we don't use cause of this Meta
Yeah it’s weird to me to only allow some of the supers in. Like I said I feel like it should be all supers or no supers. Yeah things like strand titan, arc hunter, Solar titan would be way better if the supers were available without needing orbs from a bubble to get them
Bubble needs to be easier to break, more supers should do it and Barrage should have the same cooldown as bubble so they can offset each other.
I feel so good running around and not get shotgun and sniper all the time and my close range aim actually improved, as a bad pvp player i can say crucible is so enjoyable now
Yeah I mean same here but I’d like to see those weapons balanced not removed personally
I am soooooooo sick of Igneous Hammer and I don't even have one.
Fusions are dead? No?
Everyone sure loves shotguns, sure, but that doesn't really mean you can't slay out with fusions in a lot of the match's duration. Of course, you need ammo and fusion rifle one-shots don't help you earn more, but the same thing applies to shotguns as well. There's a different problem if you're not one-shotting players with a shotgun that much. Really, I just think that snipers and grenade launchers are suffering due to the changes.
The only reason I'm not using a fusion right now is because I'm currently enjoying the primary fights a lot and I also have a crippling glaive addiction.
About supers though, I think they should just reduce the duration of Well and Bubble in the Crucible. Maybe by 10 seconds. Just my opinion. Might make choice matter more and they will still have decent utility for objective purposes.
I mean I haven’t been fusioned in trials once since the change. And the kill numbers on trials report plummeted from where they were so relative to the last 7 years of destiny yes they are dead. A nerfed well or bubble will still be absolutely stronger than a class that has no well or bubble though
I don't really get killed by special weapons in Trials that much in general. You must have some really aggressive matches compared to what I end up with. Shotguns are more popular in the first place though. They always have been, regardless of how strong fusions ever were in the past. The common play style leans towards them, especially for players familiar with other FPS games. I can only agree that they aren't popular.
Extreme W take
Yeah I always laugh at people rage messaging about what I’m using or what takes skill. Like dude look what we’re playing lol I’m just messing around for some fun. I’m max rank in comp and play a lot of sweats and they take the shit so serious and treat it like there gonna go pro or something in a game with snipers that send down lightning bolts and barricades with over shields lol.
w take
destiny 2 doesn't hold a light to destiny 1. they really killed this game.
Okay so i shouldnt comeback to destiny, thanks for the heads up!
Ngl bruh these changes didn’t change a damn thing
Shotguns are still busted as ever
Sidearms (especially helio) are so cracked that smgs have no place
Autos are a genuine issue not just precisions
Which speaking of I thought these changes were supposed to encourage landing shots
Yet before I get the third shot with a hc I get beamed by an auto who missed half his shots
It really feels like the faster firing guns are superior
And also shotguns are more of an issue now because everyone uses conditional
I haven’t seen a single matador since and it’s probably because bubble
Which ngl just remove the tier system
Why tf abilities aren’t tied to stats anymore
There’s no world where one thing should be faster than another because all it does is make people use the same stuff (just like before the system) and forces you to use the fastest thing or be at a MASSIVE disadvantage
I absolutely love nova warp but when was the last time you ever saw that
Yeah THATS AN ISSUE while before that change you’d get nova bomb and warp at the same time
Sure it made warp better cuz it’s “roaming” but you had options plus there was a fair balance of roaming and shutdowns
And if you were skilled with a roaming you could dodge shutdowns and vice versa
But we no longer get super v super fights at round 3 no more
Now it’s just camp point with overshields
Get a guaranteed win with bubble and it snowballs
You can’t win a 1v3 anymore and whoever gets bubble first wins the whole game
Supers were a way to change the game not outright win it
And yet again everyone just uses the same stuff so what did tiers even change
Nothing
All it did was make the game worse
Honestly I’d rather roaming supers be meta cuz at least your engaging in the game
Plus there IS a skill gap with supers
But generally it’s a way for EVERYONE to be able to change the outcome of the match
Again NOT OUTRIGHT WIN yet here we are
Sorry it’s so long i really just miss ability being solely tied to your stats
Yeah my biggest issue with the primaries in checkmate is that it doesn’t reward precision weapons like you’d think, it rewards spam weapons like sidearms, auto, and Smgs. Like a hand cannon punishes you for missing but also doesn’t reward you with a better ttk. Igneous is an outlier but it’s really just the crazy range and teamshotting aspect. I pretty much agree on the supers. I used to love like spectral vs nova warp fights and stuff like that
I can help you get more 5-4 and 4-5 games
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I think the issue with special ammo is the tracking of them and also the non snowballing they offer, maybe increasing the progress with kills with special ammo could be a good idea
To bring back snips, the only solution i see is making a jauge for each type of special weapons
join the pvp strike team and implement this shit now bru pls