being from ashland ohio, he’s a local legend around here. when i was in high school i drove past his old house on ST RT 60 everyday. pretty cool shit. tim and my uncle ronnie were good friends growing up. now they’re buried right next to each other.
That's awesome. It's really cool to see the impact he's left on both the sport, and in lower divisions in the sport. But most of all, as your uncle would know first hand, he was an incredible people person off the track as well. Fans, on and off the track, were also really important to him, as well as just regular folk. He was really great to learn about. One of my favorite instances of this, is after his wreck in '85 at Riverside, he'd jump out of the car to hang out in the grandstands, even after the track official tried to hold him back. I made sure to include that footage in this video as well. What I wish I did include though, was after his wreck in '81 at Daytona, he'd duck on off toward the infield fence to go hang out with the fans for a bit, even with officials waiting up on him. What a talent.. What a personality. I wonder if we'll ever see someone like him ever again.
@@ClumsyCardboard If Nascar had someone today even remotely close to Tim in skill and personality they'd have more fans and I'd definitely start watching again. Doubtful we'll ever see anyone that could come close to him again in this lifetime. He was an extraordinary talent with a boatload of skill and charisma. It was that flamboyant rebel personality that made Nascar shut him down.
@@roadkingryder6685 Kyle Larson , is a super talented driver in any race car he is in ...... racing today is a show and the drivers are showmen / entertainers ...... they are not even close to drivers back in the day ......
As an avid Earnhardt fan I’ll respectfully have to say Tim Richmond would’ve continued to give Earnhardt a lot of competition had he lived and continued to race Winston Cup. Earnhardt respected his ability to wheel a car and said so in interviews. That kind of respect didn’t come easy from The Intimidator…..Richmond earned it.
All of those cars back then drove like that. Almost no downforce compared with today along with bias ply tires. It's fun to watch. On some tracks you can see the right rear tire smoking in the turns because they're leaning on it so hard. In car cameras are fun to watch also. They look like they're sawing wood driving those things
@@jebediahgentry7029 right on! Thats my favorite body style in NASCAR you had to really know how to drive back then and to see him and dale battle on a road course is the best
There will never be another thing as beautiful in auto racing as Richmond was in the esses at Riverside. If you've never seen him race, go watch. It was the clearest indication of a driver being on a different level that you'll ever see.
One of the biggest what ifs in Nascar history. He had major crossover appeal. Jeff Gordon was probably the biggest star outside of Dale Earnhardt, but even he didn't have the charisma of Richmond. Today he woukd have been a multiple time champion, and probably been in many commercials, shows, and possibly a movie or so.
A lot of drivers partied, but a lot of them were scared too. They partied with Tim and were afraid that they might have been exposed to the hiv virus also. Bill Elliott talked about it, years ago.
I’m 50/50 on mayfield….meaning I don’t think everything negative that happened to him in those couple years was all conspiracy and collusion to set him up with all that…dope, failed tests, step mom, stolen shit, and prolly forgetting more. I also don’t think he was up nights sucking on a pipe tweaking.
Absolute shame Tim Richmond Was one of the best nascar drivers of all time. And it's just a shame he didn't get a chance to do it for years I'm sure he would have won multiple championships.
The 30 for 30 done by ESPN is an outstanding portrayal of Tim’s life, family, personal challenges and death. Tim knew he had what he had…sadly he would have survived if that all happened 10 years later.
Looking at the blaney's, i think your state produces some real talent alongside Tim here.. And some cool racetracks. Toledo Speedway looks pretty legit.
Bias Ply was the best show. They could kick out sideways and still be caught. Earnhardt and Richmond sideways on bias ply tires is some of the best you could ever see. Nascar should look into bringing back bias ply tires, at least on some of the short tracks. I know radials are "better" and "safer" but even Tim Richmond couldn't have carried a smoking radial sideways down the backstretch like he did with bias ply.
I agree, it was probably the single most entertaining era of the sport in general, but I think if Tim were around today, he’d still be slinging it sideways on radials. He pushed absolutely everything past where it should’ve been! Plus, he’d probably be doing rallycross or something extra to really get his motor running during the off-season or after retirement.
It is the newer Radials suck from Gen 6 onward, it is the older Radials that worked from the 2000's the problem is Goodyear makes a tire that never wears down until it fully fails, like they maintain pressure as it is wearing down so drivers can't tell the tire is wearing out due to how hard they make it, that with the newest car is a deadly combo. The vehicles of the era do look like cars from the time, so they are better then most now that do not look like any car on the road currently or since 2000.
I visit the cemetery where Tim is buried quite a bit in the summer months, i see his headstone more than just about anyone i'd say, i only say that bc it often reminds me to live life to the fullest, like Tim did. He was the real life Cole Trickle.
He really was. Truly an inspiration for similar reasons for me personally as well. Making the most of life is a very good sentiment to take away from all this
@@ClumsyCardboard those body style cars from the ’80s was in my opinion the best looking out of all the different year's. They just looked fast sitting still🏁
Add in Davey Allison and Alan Kulwicki. Dale Sr. admitted in an interview that those 3 drivers dying, way too young, was a huge benefit to his success. They would all have had Hall-of-Fame careers.
I didn’t know much about him but it looks like he was the only driver who gave Dale Sr. some competition. If he’d lived we could’ve seen a rivalry like Petty & Pearson back in the 70’s
I feel the same. Behind closed doors, Dale and Tim were basically great friends. No doubt gave advice on track approach’s. Tim was just a showman for the cameras, couldn’t help himself. Ironically, Dale act similarly at least a decade later.
It certainly was one of the best runs at that track ever. Hell of a send off for it. But, whilst he lived in Florida for a long while, it was not drugs that ruined him. That was a false diagnosis from a very faulty doctor, who no doubt ruined NFL careers before he worked for NASCAR. Even big bill knew he messed up hiring him.
he died of aids from sex with many women drugs only he knows but i wouldnt be shocked...left a trail of 30 infected they say. its public record. i dont blame the doc sorry. @@ClumsyCardboard
Ohio's pride in NASCAR, long before the Blaneys or Kaulig Racing. And even better, Timmy was from northeast Ohio instead of the heavily Pittsburgh-polluted Youngstown area.
What upset me about Tim Richmond is the fact he knowingly infected several women even though he knew he had HIV - that's bullshit - I can't imagine if this would have been my daughter or sister - I would probably go after anyone who said anything positive - just sayin .....
@@ClumsyCardboard That Ryan will never get, I hope in the next TV Deal he becomes an announcer for a TV channel and he accepts the contract then the channel says take the deal or you do not get to put NASCAR on TV as nobody else wants to do it, say NBC is the one taking over the sport with USA hosting the second half of the season to make room for NFL Football and hockey preseson during the dumb playoff the way it is currently done.
Just so you know pensfan, i was watching Lou Blaney back in the 60s, he was effn good and Dave's brother was a good sprint car driver too, not mention a great basketball player. You can look it up which you obviously didn't bother to do.
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@@user-fu1ss4eo6c They were great friends since at least ‘82. Dale knew what was actually wrong with Tim, but there was only so much he could do for him.
Look, I was a big Tim Richmond fan and enjoyed the hell out of his driving, but I long ago grew weary of all these people going boo hoo hoo over Tim not being allowed to race by NASCAR. Did NASCAR make a cluster foxtrot out of the whole thing? No question, but it was Tim that never came clean about his illness or what the actual situation was.. Tim's behavior was pretty erratic in the BEST of times, and after he went back to driving in the summer of 1987, it only got worse. His behavior at the August Michigan race made it clear to everyone that there was a real problem and Tim did NOTHING to clear the air or ease anyone's concerns. The whole circus that took place in Daytona in 1988 was as much Tim's fault as it was NASCAR's. As for the Hall of Fame, REALLY? Since when does potential get you into a Hall of Fame? The guy had 13 wins total and half of those came in one half of one season, and he never even sniffed a championship trophy. I could probably sit down and name 30 guys who had less natural ability than Tim, but got more out of it over the long haul. Had he lived, who knows how much success he could have had, but he didn't, and the reason why was Tim's and Tim's alone. Let's put a stop to all the sugar coating and revisionist history and just accept Tim's life and career for what it wasn't as well as what it was.
People like Tim never last. His kind of behavior is a sign of insecurity. People like Tim never have known consequences for failure. There always seemed to be a safety net to catch him and propel him into the next opportunity. People like that have a fear of success. They will get right up next to it, flirt with it, prove that they are talented, makes waves briefly...and then fade away. They might do this many, many times over. I used to be in a band with a guitar player/song writer. It was his band. He formed it, wrote most of the songs, produced the recordings, decided artistic direction, the stage look...the whole nine yards. He was brilliant, and massively talented. We built a solid following across the midwest. We played numerous showcases for major record labels. We had a publishing and production deal with a fairly big time manager. Every time we got close to signing the dotted line, he would scrap the project, change the sound of the band a little bit...put off the record companies, spend forever recording new material....and jump through all the same hoops again. He would still get us right up to the point of getting a big record deal...again...and sabotage the whole thing again. We could have been very successful, and he would have been very famous...but he would screw it up, right at the 11th hour, every single time.
Whilst I'm sorry to hear you got messed around by him like that, I don't believe this is a apt summary in my opinion. How do you define success? Because that's not how he approached it. He put his ALL into everything, and didn't back down.. In fact, it was to the point that folks like Tim brewer (Just some guy, you know, only won championships with Cale Yarborough and Darrel Waltrip.. No big deal, nobody special obviously..) was annoyed with him NOT backing down enough. He gave it his all, not out of a need to create a justification to walk away from a purposefully wrecked car, but because he was an immense talented man who sometimes just didn't know the limits of a car. That's all. He was the winningest driver of 1986 for christs sake. That's from not just sheer tenacity, but good preparation too. And great feel. But above all? He wanted to prove one thing. As he says it best, "I wanted to prove to everyone that I was put on this earth to have fun.. I want to succeed at the fun department." And he did. Very much did. And his definition of fun is more than just being great in a stock car, but also just taking part in the periphery of racing in general. Including exhibition races for local short tracks. (Plenty of footage out there for stuff like that, do encourage you peep it out).
@@ClumsyCardboard .... Never said he didn't have success. My point was that guys like him can rise to great peaks, but they never sustain. Some of his earlier successes and opportunities, came from family wealth. Had it been strictly up to him, he wouldn't have had the same opportunities. He was propelled a certain distance, through the family bank account. That doesn't diminish his obvious talent, its just a fact.
@@scottrobinson9752 Ok? So his parents had money. Yes, But that was used to fund his early developing talents. Daddy's credit card didn't buy him a ride at Hendrick. Hell, I'm certain it didn't get him a spot at D.K Ulrich's operation, and he could've used the cash no doubt. And J.D Stacy already had his ill gotten gains funding his operation, so Tim's dad's money would've been no good to him. And even then, He had the chops to make it on merit and merit alone. If he had to work for the dough, he would've done so to pay up for that Sprint car ride. And about sustaining.. Did you forget the fact Tim died? 1987 would've been a real contention, if not championship victory outright. If not then, '88. Buddy holly didn't set the world on fire in the 1960s because he died in a plane crash in '59. Otherwise he would've no doubt succeeded and sustained. Sterling marlin didn't sustain after his 2002 cup title bout because of personal ailments. Otherwise that would've been his trophy. Again, it's about perspective.
While Harry Hyde was Tim's Crew Chief it was "Suitcase" Jake Elder that moved from team to team. Not Harry Suitcase Hyde. Just stating the Facts. Had Tim lived Earnhardt would've never won 7 Championships, and that is a fact!
Or Elliot wouldn’t have even won one championship Gordon might not have one 4 I think if Davey and Tim would’ve lived Earnhardt definitely wouldn’t have won 7
Carl edwards would be a good video too. He lost track position at homestead in 2011 because of rain after leading. 2016 Getting crashed out by lagano and losing the championship because of it. I really think he was a wheel man. I think tony started getting better equipment as the chase went on and he struggled most of the season
@@EclecticHillbilly Rob would've been what jeff gordon became. Davey was due to take the sport by storm as well, and Alan would've mustered at least one more championship. I think by his own admission he wanted to get outta the sport by the late 90s, mostly citing costs.
@@ClumsyCardboard I HAVE SAID ON OTHER SITES I WAS AT PHOENIX WHEN THEY WERE FILMING SEEING GREG SACS / TOMMY ELIS OTHERS /THE WEIRD FILM CARS WITH MANY CAMERAS HANGING ALL OVER THEM = MORE MEM"S
I was really young maybe 8-10 yrs. old but both my parents were big nascar fans and me and the old man pulled for any Ford but mom was a Tim Richmond fan and now being older I relize she probably liked him because all the chicks did but he actually called our house and spoke to my mom. I answered the phone and said hey mom It’s Tim Richmond. She’s like yea right. But soon realized it was him. Evidently he called a lot of his fan club personally. At least that’s what she told the ol man. LMAO
@@ClumsyCardboard I have heard that. Mom met him at Richmond earlier that year. But she says to this day he remembered her and that my folks actually sat there and B.S. a bit with him . I know it was a little different time back then but he was still a big deal I mean at least in our world. But she still talks about it to this day. I have old pics of my ol man and my uncles drinking a beer with Person at Daytona in the late 70s. Not sure if Person actually was drinking but he sure was in there pit area having a good time. Man that must have been cool as shit
@@ClumsyCardboard no you don’t. I’m not a fan of certain drivers but I keep preaching we NEED Joey andKFB and Tony Stewart too say and do the shit that keeps this sport interesting.
Hey enjoy watching the video but a couple things off one was it wasn’t hairy suitcase hyd hairy was a long time crew chief of Rick Hendricks hairy was the one who helped Rick Hendricks start up Hendricks motorsports and the Tom Cruise movie days of thunder was basic on Hendricks and hairy hyd but suitcase was the nick name of jack elders suitcase jack
Not everyone was a fan of robby to be sure, but hey. Say what you will, it's a prime example of raw talent in the sport. Even Tony stewart agrees as much!
Far as I'm concerned I am a very big Tim Richmond fan always have been always will be I wish Tim would still be alive because the Intimidator would not be a seven-time champion if he was still alive and racing Tim was a master at my home track Riverside International Raceway I have never seen anyone go around Riverside like Tim. I met him at Riverside International Raceway when he was driving the old Milwaukee car ask him for his autograph he said no problem gave me his autograph and I still have that autograph to this day and very proud to have that autograph he will always be one of my top 10 drivers of all time there are very few drivers out there that treat the fans like they should be treated Tim was definitely one that did that I will always have total respect for Tim and anybody says any crap about him they're going to have to go through me that's how big of a Tim Richmond fan I am he was the only man to be able to intimidate the Intimidator there will never ever be a better driver than Tim Richmond no matter who or what or anything else anybody says I was there when he won his last race at Riverside International Raceway I have his Folgers car as a diecast and I also have his old Milwaukee Pontiac as a diecast and they are very proudly in my collection I will be making the JD Stacy card that he drove and I even made the number 21 Uno IndyCar that he drove in 1980 that just tells you how big of a Tim Richmond saying I am thank you for posting this and I did appreciate it have a good day and God bless
That’s awesome! And yeah, that was one of the biggest things about his personality.. he really cared about his fans. He knew it’s what both drove the sport and his career. A raw talent that was just great to be around. I have no doubt he’d at least landed one or two championships, especially with hendrick equipment. Just incredible, and a unique combination and character.
@@ClumsyCardboard that will always be why that Tim Richmond is one of my all-time favorite drivers my top 10 of NASCAR drivers does not have the intimidator in it I'm not a fan of his never have been never will be he wrecked too many cars back in his day and the dumbest thing ever to happen was the show called pass in the grass
@@jchayes7325 That was one of the big differences between them In my opinion, Earnhardt would find the limits of his bumper and other cars fenders in the race, and Tim would find the limits of the motor and the tires before anything else haha
You're confusing Harry Hyde with "Suitcase" Jake Elder. And Tim wasn't "replaced" in the 1988 Daytona 500. Schrader signed with the team in 1987 after Tim had quit due to his health. Tim was going to drive Ken Ragan"s #77 Ford in the Busch Clash and Daytona 500 if he was cleared by NASCAR in 1988.
@@MatthewLewisAtlanta Really glad to hear! It really is a genuinely unfortunate story. But, we can’t recall it as a tragedy. He made the absolute most of it, even if it didn’t have to be so short. And good point, “replaced” was the wrong word on my part there.
I remember Tim Richmond racing in Indy Cars and then into NASCAR. There is a video on CZcams, or at least used to be, of Tim being interviewed for TV and just walked away from the interview to chase down a hot looking girl. That was Tim's problem, he was a womanizer, had a penthouse in New York City, and generally rubbed NASCAR wrong. Tim because he was a northern boy, and they didn't really like it in those days if they came from anywhere outside of the south.
What I meant was in terms of personality.. He fit the mould of a 1980s hollywood type. I didn't mean he fully represent the sport in the 1980s. You're bang about the the 43. He was called the king for a reason, after all.
I’m late but you’re actually incorrect, the Tim Richmond from ARCA is related to the Tim Richmond who ran Cup. Dave (Tim from ARCA’s dad) is related to Tim.
Well he did continually lie about his health and Nascar had to protect its sport. Theres no way they could let a driver in his health out there in case something were to happen
@@ClumsyCardboard I have a pic of Tim and I when he bought the car yet. I did talk to Harry hide. Tim Rick all at one time. For a road course in New York about set up. 1st time. Nascar ran a road course tim won. So must have been close. Jim raiti
@@ensignstephens6307 Glad you enjoyed! I think about those days an awful lot myself. I just wanted to provide better context to his history. You mentioned Alan kulwicki, and that is also a very sad tale. He'd probably still be one of the most successful car owners to this day, even if he retired from racing. But I recall in an interview that he planned to leave the sport by 2003 anyways. Prophetic, given what changes to the sport were brought in at that time.
@@ClumsyCardboard Being from Martinsville I've seen a lot of great short track racing back to the modifides with and a lot of locals like Ronnie Thomas and Bugs Stephens Joe Henry Thurman Paul Radford I used to park car's on race day for the local fire department before everything went corporate.
Back then they didn't really have no way to tell how you got it it was just when you got it you knew it cast Stars age as far as AIDS goes you take that out of out of the picture altogether and if you can't say that he was a trendsetter you're sadly wrong
For someone that died from HIV (RIP Tim) The title of this video for myself is a bit obnoxious. Not being disrespectful just think a better choice of words would have been appropriate.
It's in reference to the way the sanctioning body had treated him, and tried to sweep the whole deal under the rug. Nonetheless, maybe i coudl've reworded it a tad better.
Wait, wait, wait, wait. For his 16th birthday he was given a sports car, speedboat, AND private airplane??!!! Who in the hell does that? Plus his family funded his racing career, out-of-pocket, until he moved to NASCAR. It's a damn shame he died so young but I can't feel any sympathy for the spoiled rich kid. NASCAR pulling his hard card was probably the first time in his life he heard the word "no".
He may have been a rich kid, but he raced his way upward on merit. He wasn’t a pay driver at hendrick, or even blue max. And lest we forget the complete GARBAGE he raced with, and even won with, on the cup schedule and even before it. I understand to a fault why you feel that way about him, but I feel it’s a bit obtuse. If logano died tomorrow I’d still feel nothing but sympathy. Morality on that doesn’t change for me.
@@ClumsyCardboard He definitely had great natural driving talent and earned every win fair and square. I consider myself lucky to have seen him race in his prime, especially wheel to wheel with Dale Sr. I don't feel bad for him for two reasons. First, he knew he was dying of a terminal disease but instead of staying away, made NASCAR be the "bad guy" and suspend him when he clearly was too sick to be in a race car at high speed. More importantly, AFTER being diagnosed with AIDS he continued having unprotected sex with his fiancé, and a few other women, all of whom died of AIDS as well. How can any decent person be so selfish and careless? I don't at all resent the success of wealthy folks or their kids, it's how he acted in the final two years of his life that taints my view of him.
Darrell Waltrip. I believe was even ahead of him in points for a little while too, which means he could’ve been runner up. Still hard fought for third, and won the most races of anyone that season. He could wheel that thing!
@@davidparrish1205 Much appreciated David. Thank you. More recent videos thankfully have improved a ways since. Taking on the story of Tim Richmond was a bit more than I ought to have, but I’m glad I did. And I’m glad I did it justice even with the mumbles and fumbles.
Nascar knew he had aids. They weren't allowed to know, but seeing how Richmond lived in Florida and Nascars head physician is a practitioner out of Florida, come on. Like Dale Earnhardt was quoted in this video, "doctors talk to each other." They were suspending him one way or the other. They wanted to know how he got it as if it were from drugs, then he'd fail a drug test, and they wouldn't have to have the uncomfortable discussion. When he passed the test, they just claimed he failed, so they didn't have to appear to suspend a driver essentially for being gay and im sure they didnt want to have to admit they had a gay driver. Even after his death, his family was addiment he acquired it from heterosexual sex. Yeah I'm sure that's what he told them but as my doctor told me "if you don't use intravenous drugs or engage in anal sex with men there is no reason to test you for aids". Either way, shame on Nascar.
Your whole statement is incorrect. Nascar didn't know he had Aids until the end. Because he wouldn't let a Nascar Doctor examine him. Aids was new back then and was associated with the Gay lifestyle. Tim was a womanizer, hiring hooked becouse he knew they wouldn't be after him for his money and it fit his busy life style. You are correct that Tim rubbed Nascar the wrong way. Nascar went after Tim because they thought he was using cocain. Plus, he wouldn't bend a knee to them.
Why do you keep showing other peoples race cars while talking about Richmond? It just dont make sense. It would be very confusing to many people that isnt familiar with what they are looking at.
If I did only use Tim’s race cars and footage for every single segment, it would only be a handful of clips that would be repeated. To prevent that, and to add context of both his competition and the era he competed in, occasionally you would see other people’s races, cars, and individuals. It wasn’t perfect, especially given this was my second ever video project, but nonetheless something that thankfully hasn’t been as much of an issue going forward. Hopefully that makes sense.
Lets be honest Great driver, Great personality But he knew he had aid's for yrs and kept sleeping with women with out a condom or ever telling them he was infected. 12 women died because of Tim's ego and denial .20/20 did some interviews with women he had infected. Not only did Tim kill these women by knowing he was sick he kept infecting women with aid's knowing they would die painfully and slowly just like himself. Nascar could not take a chance on him possibly infecting rescue workers or anyone else with a open bleeding wound. In short the man killed 12 women with out a gun or knife but by the worst way possible by aid's . Great driver but also a killer !There also was never ever a pass in the grass !
being from ashland ohio, he’s a local legend around here. when i was in high school i drove past his old house on ST RT 60 everyday. pretty cool shit. tim and my uncle ronnie were good friends growing up. now they’re buried right next to each other.
That's awesome. It's really cool to see the impact he's left on both the sport, and in lower divisions in the sport. But most of all, as your uncle would know first hand, he was an incredible people person off the track as well. Fans, on and off the track, were also really important to him, as well as just regular folk. He was really great to learn about.
One of my favorite instances of this, is after his wreck in '85 at Riverside, he'd jump out of the car to hang out in the grandstands, even after the track official tried to hold him back. I made sure to include that footage in this video as well. What I wish I did include though, was after his wreck in '81 at Daytona, he'd duck on off toward the infield fence to go hang out with the fans for a bit, even with officials waiting up on him. What a talent.. What a personality. I wonder if we'll ever see someone like him ever again.
@@ClumsyCardboard If Nascar had someone today even remotely close to Tim in skill and personality they'd have more fans and I'd definitely start watching again. Doubtful we'll ever see anyone that could come close to him again in this lifetime. He was an extraordinary talent with a boatload of skill and charisma. It was that flamboyant rebel personality that made Nascar shut him down.
@@roadkingryder6685 Kyle Larson , is a super talented driver in any race car he is in ...... racing today is a show and the drivers are showmen / entertainers ...... they are not even close to drivers back in the day ......
@@patpeterson2671 I know. It's why I quit watching Napcar in 2010.
@@roadkingryder6685 I have and still do call it NA$CRAP.
Was a friend of Richmond’s, he had that god given talent that only comes along so often. He was good, very good
Very true. And very cool that you were close to him. Shame about what transpired, but his legacy continues.
Harry Hyde was not known as "Suitcase" that was "Suitcase Jake" Elder.
If you're going to put something out there at least get the right
Took the words right out of my mouth
Soon as I heard it I stopped watching
@@biggoleredneck1805 I hear ya, but there is far worse crap about NASCAR (RIP) on CZcams...
@@DubPaj easy man, he may have just made a mistake...
As an avid Earnhardt fan I’ll respectfully have to say Tim Richmond would’ve continued to give Earnhardt a lot of competition had he lived and continued to race Winston Cup. Earnhardt respected his ability to wheel a car and said so in interviews. That kind of respect didn’t come easy from The Intimidator…..Richmond earned it.
I can’t believe how loose that car was and he drove the wheels off of it, he was a real talent.
All of those cars back then drove like that. Almost no downforce compared with today along with bias ply tires. It's fun to watch. On some tracks you can see the right rear tire smoking in the turns because they're leaning on it so hard. In car cameras are fun to watch also. They look like they're sawing wood driving those things
@@jebediahgentry7029 right on! Thats my favorite body style in NASCAR you had to really know how to drive back then and to see him and dale battle on a road course is the best
Tim Richmond was a rare talent. I think often how racing would look with him Davey , Allen K and all the others that left way too soon.
There will never be another thing as beautiful in auto racing as Richmond was in the esses at Riverside. If you've never seen him race, go watch. It was the clearest indication of a driver being on a different level that you'll ever see.
One of the biggest what ifs in Nascar history. He had major crossover appeal. Jeff Gordon was probably the biggest star outside of Dale Earnhardt, but even he didn't have the charisma of Richmond.
Today he woukd have been a multiple time champion, and probably been in many commercials, shows, and possibly a movie or so.
No doubt. I’m glad there’s at least a documentary about him, but he’d be worthy of his own feature film.
Tim was the man! Loved watching him race.
Can only imagine what it must've been like to see it back in the day.. It's already incredible enough just from archive footage!
I loved watching Tim Richmond driving on the road courses at Riverside and Watkins Glen.
That must've been incredible to see in person. Did he make it look as easy in person as he did on TV?
He should be in the Nascar Hall Of Fame
He should be in the hall, but Nascar will never let that happen. Tim was a partier and lived life to the fullest, but he was a great driver.
@@davidhenderson594 Sr. partied too
A lot of drivers partied, but a lot of them were scared too. They partied with Tim and were afraid that they might have been exposed to the hiv virus also. Bill Elliott talked about it, years ago.
Agreed
His NASCAR career wasn’t long enough for him to be in the HOF.
Tim's story is why I don't believe Mayfield really used or did what they say
Same here. Exact same sentiment
You can listen to mayfields story on dale jrs podcast out of his own mouth. That’s if you haven’t already lol.
I’m 50/50 on mayfield….meaning I don’t think everything negative that happened to him in those couple years was all conspiracy and collusion to set him up with all that…dope, failed tests, step mom, stolen shit, and prolly forgetting more. I also don’t think he was up nights sucking on a pipe tweaking.
Absolute shame Tim Richmond Was one of the best nascar drivers of all time. And it's just a shame he didn't get a chance to do it for years I'm sure he would have won multiple championships.
No doubt.
Tim was an inspiration at that time. So cool watching him. We don't have drivers now a days like him
Tim passed away in the hospital I was born in. GOD BLESS TIM & DALE. TWO of best there ever was.
Lucky birth!
Was a hell of a wheel man
I was there at Darlington in 86
When he took the southern 500
What a race that must've been to see. Very cool!
mee also bill hit the wall 9 laps to go.
I loved Tim Richmond!!!
NASCAR ought to be ashamed how they treated Tim Richmond.
The 30 for 30 done by ESPN is an outstanding portrayal of Tim’s life, family, personal challenges and death. Tim knew he had what he had…sadly he would have survived if that all happened 10 years later.
Being from Mansfield (a short drive from Ashland) I take great pride that Tim was one of us. Ohio born and bred
Looking at the blaney's, i think your state produces some real talent alongside Tim here.. And some cool racetracks. Toledo Speedway looks pretty legit.
Bias Ply was the best show. They could kick out sideways and still be caught. Earnhardt and Richmond sideways on bias ply tires is some of the best you could ever see. Nascar should look into bringing back bias ply tires, at least on some of the short tracks. I know radials are "better" and "safer" but even Tim Richmond couldn't have carried a smoking radial sideways down the backstretch like he did with bias ply.
I agree, it was probably the single most entertaining era of the sport in general, but I think if Tim were around today, he’d still be slinging it sideways on radials. He pushed absolutely everything past where it should’ve been! Plus, he’d probably be doing rallycross or something extra to really get his motor running during the off-season or after retirement.
It is the newer Radials suck from Gen 6 onward, it is the older Radials that worked from the 2000's the problem is Goodyear makes a tire that never wears down until it fully fails, like they maintain pressure as it is wearing down so drivers can't tell the tire is wearing out due to how hard they make it, that with the newest car is a deadly combo. The vehicles of the era do look like cars from the time, so they are better then most now that do not look like any car on the road currently or since 2000.
@@ClumsyCardboard I was thinking that he would be racing in the Pinty series or ARCA after retiring from Cup.
Tim was the NASCAR version of James Hunt
That does sound pretty apt!
I visit the cemetery where Tim is buried quite a bit in the summer months, i see his headstone more than just about anyone i'd say, i only say that bc it often reminds me to live life to the fullest, like Tim did. He was the real life Cole Trickle.
He really was. Truly an inspiration for similar reasons for me personally as well. Making the most of life is a very good sentiment to take away from all this
Tim is reason I started watching Nascar
That’s awesome. Wish I saw that era myself. Any particular memories?
@@ClumsyCardboard tim helping Dale down the track after they crashed
@@chicnwing4519 That is pretty special.. Showed the mutual respect they had, and, indeed the type of guy Tim was.
He was a great driver. Shame he got sick
It was 'Suitcase Jake' Elder not Harry 'Suitcase' Hyde.
Tim was one hell of a wheel man. Probably would have won at least one championship.
I reckon at least one or two, Absolutely.
That Old Milwaukee commercial gave me the shits!
I remember this I remember all this with Tim Richmond what a shame he went through this
It really was.
Those old funny car paint jobs were badass!! Also, that Folgers-sponsored car was straight pimpin!🚀🚀🏁🏁
Definitely iconic. It contrasts so well
@@ClumsyCardboard those body style cars from the ’80s was in my opinion the best looking out of all the different year's. They just looked fast sitting still🏁
Tim Richmond Was So Amazing IndyCar Driver From The 80s
Indeed. What a racer!
@@ClumsyCardboard Tim Richmond Made His Debut At Pocono In 1980 NASCAR Winston Cup Series
English wtf u smoking
Richmond would've been Gordon's mentor
Had Richmond not passed, Earnhardt would not have had 7 championships..
He would have had 9
Add in Davey Allison and Alan Kulwicki. Dale Sr. admitted in an interview that those 3 drivers dying, way too young, was a huge benefit to his success. They would all have had Hall-of-Fame careers.
@@paulday5722 Yes, sir!
Gena Lookabill Greene & Debbie Putman: Screwing by Tim Richmond.
I didn’t know much about him but it looks like he was the only driver who gave Dale Sr. some competition. If he’d lived we could’ve seen a rivalry like Petty & Pearson back in the 70’s
I feel the same. Behind closed doors, Dale and Tim were basically great friends. No doubt gave advice on track approach’s. Tim was just a showman for the cameras, couldn’t help himself. Ironically, Dale act similarly at least a decade later.
new ClumsyCardboard just dropped 🔥
Thanks man! Appreciate the continued support 😃
He knew he had it........
Nice piece on Tim Richmond. You did confuse a nickname however, Jake Elder was known as "Suitcase Jake" not Harry Hyde.
Yeah, I got the two confused. Both legends that I crossed wires on, so to speak. Glad you enjoyed!
awesome loved him up here in michigan
Ever get the chance to meet him? So many great fan stories about him!
Subbed, keep up the good work!
Thanks spence! You the man. More to come, so stay tuned!
Thanks for this. There was always some question I had on this.
My pleasure! Thanks for enjoying, hopefully it answered your questions!
Three people that nascar has really screwed over the years: Tim Richmond, Jeremy Mayfield, and to a much lesser extent Carl Edwards.
Carl deserves a video on his own, but I will be looking into the Mayfield story soon. Deserves coverage.
Boy that footage from riverside is crazy fast such a shame what drugs can do to a person that guy was an unbelievable driver
It certainly was one of the best runs at that track ever. Hell of a send off for it. But, whilst he lived in Florida for a long while, it was not drugs that ruined him. That was a false diagnosis from a very faulty doctor, who no doubt ruined NFL careers before he worked for NASCAR. Even big bill knew he messed up hiring him.
he died of aids from sex with many women drugs only he knows but i wouldnt be shocked...left a trail of 30 infected they say. its public record. i dont blame the doc sorry. @@ClumsyCardboard
Nicely done.
Thank you! Admittedly, there are some errors, but on the whole, i'm batting a thousand. Glad you enjoyed!
So can we look forward to more?
@@trevhawe Absolutely! You can check my community page as to the hint for what the next one is gonna be about. Also just released something yesterday
@@ClumsyCardboard Gonna be fun to do the Irace thing looking forward to that Ha.
Gnite
Ohio's pride in NASCAR, long before the Blaneys or Kaulig Racing. And even better, Timmy was from northeast Ohio instead of the heavily Pittsburgh-polluted Youngstown area.
Such a personality.. Speaking of the blaney's, and getting screwed by the system, NASCAR still owes Ryan that 2 million!
What upset me about Tim Richmond is the fact he knowingly infected several women even though he knew he had HIV - that's bullshit - I can't imagine if this would have been my daughter or sister - I would probably go after anyone who said anything positive - just sayin .....
@@ClumsyCardboard That Ryan will never get, I hope in the next TV Deal he becomes an announcer for a TV channel and he accepts the contract then the channel says take the deal or you do not get to put NASCAR on TV as nobody else wants to do it, say NBC is the one taking over the sport with USA hosting the second half of the season to make room for NFL Football and hockey preseson during the dumb playoff the way it is currently done.
Just so you know pensfan, i was watching Lou Blaney back in the 60s, he was effn good and Dave's brother was a good sprint car driver too, not mention a great basketball player. You can look it up which you obviously didn't bother to do.
Great driver
And commentator too! Didn’t mention it here, but there’s also great footage of his in-car “play by play” coverage.
I think NASCAR did the same thing to Jeremy Mayfield
I believe much of the same.. Unsurprisingly in particular, given the CEO of NASCAR was on meth at the time.
Man do your research Suitcase Jake Elder was not in Harry league.
Good point, got him confused with Jake Elder. My apologies on that one. Another great crew chief, but not the same guy.
I noticed it too. But a simple mistake. Great video man.
@@stewpuddy4161 Thanks man! I'll try not to let Freudian slips dictate the scripts so much next time haha
@@ClumsyCardboard don't let the nitpicking get you down. I subscribed!
@@stewpuddy4161 It may be nitpicking but hey, it's valuable feedback all the same. Thanks for the sub! Working on something right now, and some follow ups, So hope you stay awhile!
I really appreciate the fact that Earnhardt stood up for Tim back in those closed minded days.
@@user-fu1ss4eo6c They were great friends since at least ‘82. Dale knew what was actually wrong with Tim, but there was only so much he could do for him.
Look, I was a big Tim Richmond fan and enjoyed the hell out of his driving, but I long ago grew weary of all these people going boo hoo hoo over Tim not being allowed to race by NASCAR. Did NASCAR make a cluster foxtrot out of the whole thing? No question, but it was Tim that never came clean about his illness or what the actual situation was.. Tim's behavior was pretty erratic in the BEST of times, and after he went back to driving in the summer of 1987, it only got worse. His behavior at the August Michigan race made it clear to everyone that there was a real problem and Tim did NOTHING to clear the air or ease anyone's concerns. The whole circus that took place in Daytona in 1988 was as much Tim's fault as it was NASCAR's. As for the Hall of Fame, REALLY? Since when does potential get you into a Hall of Fame? The guy had 13 wins total and half of those came in one half of one season, and he never even sniffed a championship trophy. I could probably sit down and name 30 guys who had less natural ability than Tim, but got more out of it over the long haul. Had he lived, who knows how much success he could have had, but he didn't, and the reason why was Tim's and Tim's alone. Let's put a stop to all the sugar coating and revisionist history and just accept Tim's life and career for what it wasn't as well as what it was.
Says the Arm Chair Nascar fan.....
Ok, name ONE thing I said that was inaccurate. Some people just have a problem accepting facts instead of fantasy.
People like Tim never last. His kind of behavior is a sign of insecurity. People like Tim never have known consequences for failure. There always seemed to be a safety net to catch him and propel him into the next opportunity.
People like that have a fear of success. They will get right up next to it, flirt with it, prove that they are talented, makes waves briefly...and then fade away. They might do this many, many times over.
I used to be in a band with a guitar player/song writer. It was his band. He formed it, wrote most of the songs, produced the recordings, decided artistic direction, the stage look...the whole nine yards. He was brilliant, and massively talented. We built a solid following across the midwest.
We played numerous showcases for major record labels. We had a publishing and production deal with a fairly big time manager. Every time we got close to signing the dotted line, he would scrap the project, change the sound of the band a little bit...put off the record companies, spend forever recording new material....and jump through all the same hoops again. He would still get us right up to the point of getting a big record deal...again...and sabotage the whole thing again. We could have been very successful, and he would have been very famous...but he would screw it up, right at the 11th hour, every single time.
Whilst I'm sorry to hear you got messed around by him like that, I don't believe this is a apt summary in my opinion. How do you define success? Because that's not how he approached it.
He put his ALL into everything, and didn't back down.. In fact, it was to the point that folks like Tim brewer (Just some guy, you know, only won championships with Cale Yarborough and Darrel Waltrip.. No big deal, nobody special obviously..) was annoyed with him NOT backing down enough. He gave it his all, not out of a need to create a justification to walk away from a purposefully wrecked car, but because he was an immense talented man who sometimes just didn't know the limits of a car. That's all.
He was the winningest driver of 1986 for christs sake. That's from not just sheer tenacity, but good preparation too. And great feel.
But above all? He wanted to prove one thing. As he says it best, "I wanted to prove to everyone that I was put on this earth to have fun.. I want to succeed at the fun department." And he did. Very much did. And his definition of fun is more than just being great in a stock car, but also just taking part in the periphery of racing in general. Including exhibition races for local short tracks. (Plenty of footage out there for stuff like that, do encourage you peep it out).
@@ClumsyCardboard .... Never said he didn't have success. My point was that guys like him can rise to great peaks, but they never sustain. Some of his earlier successes and opportunities, came from family wealth. Had it been strictly up to him, he wouldn't have had the same opportunities. He was propelled a certain distance, through the family bank account. That doesn't diminish his obvious talent, its just a fact.
@@scottrobinson9752 Ok? So his parents had money. Yes, But that was used to fund his early developing talents. Daddy's credit card didn't buy him a ride at Hendrick. Hell, I'm certain it didn't get him a spot at D.K Ulrich's operation, and he could've used the cash no doubt. And J.D Stacy already had his ill gotten gains funding his operation, so Tim's dad's money would've been no good to him.
And even then, He had the chops to make it on merit and merit alone. If he had to work for the dough, he would've done so to pay up for that Sprint car ride.
And about sustaining.. Did you forget the fact Tim died? 1987 would've been a real contention, if not championship victory outright. If not then, '88.
Buddy holly didn't set the world on fire in the 1960s because he died in a plane crash in '59. Otherwise he would've no doubt succeeded and sustained.
Sterling marlin didn't sustain after his 2002 cup title bout because of personal ailments. Otherwise that would've been his trophy.
Again, it's about perspective.
Way way better then Dale. RIP you're both legends
Interesting take on Richmond, but learned a couple things about him.
While Harry Hyde was Tim's Crew Chief it was "Suitcase" Jake Elder that moved from team to team. Not Harry Suitcase Hyde. Just stating the Facts. Had Tim lived Earnhardt would've never won 7 Championships, and that is a fact!
Haha. Big ups man! And yeah, he’d have nabbed at least one champ from him.
I knew that wasn’t right
Or Elliot wouldn’t have even won one championship Gordon might not have one 4 I think if Davey and Tim would’ve lived Earnhardt definitely wouldn’t have won 7
@@daringuess79 it’s a toss up, but I think ‘88 or ‘89 would’ve been tim’s second championship. If not both. But we can only speculate now
Carl edwards would be a good video too. He lost track position at homestead in 2011 because of rain after leading. 2016 Getting crashed out by lagano and losing the championship because of it. I really think he was a wheel man. I think tony started getting better equipment as the chase went on and he struggled most of the season
There's an idea! I'll think on that. Glad you enjoyed this one!
If Tim Richmond had not died, Dale Earnhardt wouldn’t have won 7 championships. Tim Richmond was probably the best drive to ever get in a stock car.
Absolutely one of the best to wheel a stock car, that's for sure. I think had things gone his way, '88 might've been his champ year.
You could make the same point and replace Richmond's name with Alan Kulwicki, Davey Allison, or Rob Moroso.
@@EclecticHillbilly Rob would've been what jeff gordon became. Davey was due to take the sport by storm as well, and Alan would've mustered at least one more championship. I think by his own admission he wanted to get outta the sport by the late 90s, mostly citing costs.
Don't forget that Davey Allison and Alan Kulwicki died, too, and that would probably have made a difference in Earnhardt's seven as well
I feel the same way with Davey Allison
Suite Case Jake my friend.
10-4, I was thinking of yet another crew chief legend. I've made the corrections accordingly in the description for newer viewers. Good ear though!
THE WHOLE "DAYS OF THUNDER" MOVIE IS TIM RICHMOND I THINK = I MET HIM DURING A RAIN DELAY AT DAYTONA = GREAT PERSON
Very true! Hendrick even made the cars for the film. That’s awesome that you got to meet him. Hopefully he shared a beer!
@@ClumsyCardboard I HAVE SAID ON OTHER SITES I WAS AT PHOENIX WHEN THEY WERE FILMING SEEING GREG SACS / TOMMY ELIS OTHERS /THE WEIRD FILM CARS WITH MANY CAMERAS HANGING ALL OVER THEM = MORE MEM"S
I was really young maybe 8-10 yrs. old but both my parents were big nascar fans and me and the old man pulled for any Ford but mom was a Tim Richmond fan and now being older I relize she probably liked him because all the chicks did but he actually called our house and spoke to my mom. I answered the phone and said hey mom It’s Tim Richmond. She’s like yea right. But soon realized it was him. Evidently he called a lot of his fan club personally. At least that’s what she told the ol man. LMAO
I could see it. He was big about fan support!
@@ClumsyCardboard I have heard that. Mom met him at Richmond earlier that year. But she says to this day he remembered her and that my folks actually sat there and B.S. a bit with him . I know it was a little different time back then but he was still a big deal I mean at least in our world. But she still talks about it to this day. I have old pics of my ol man and my uncles drinking a beer with Person at Daytona in the late 70s. Not sure if Person actually was drinking but he sure was in there pit area having a good time. Man that must have been cool as shit
@@timmypilkerton2835 See, those were the real personalities of sport. Pearson being another great example.. You don't see that anymore.
@@ClumsyCardboard no you don’t. I’m not a fan of certain drivers but I keep preaching we NEED Joey andKFB and Tony Stewart too say and do the shit that keeps this sport interesting.
You’re thinking of “Suitcase Jake” Jake Elder.
Correct. A bit of a fruedian slip there. My apologies.
Hey enjoy watching the video but a couple things off one was it wasn’t hairy suitcase hyd hairy was a long time crew chief of Rick Hendricks hairy was the one who helped Rick Hendricks start up Hendricks motorsports and the Tom Cruise movie days of thunder was basic on Hendricks and hairy hyd but suitcase was the nick name of jack elders suitcase jack
Yeah, I missed the mark on that one, good ear. Honest mistake. But I’m glad you enjoyed!
"Suitcase JAKE Elder"
@@stansmad Correct.
Lost me at “Robby Gordon types” 😂
Not everyone was a fan of robby to be sure, but hey. Say what you will, it's a prime example of raw talent in the sport. Even Tony stewart agrees as much!
@@ClumsyCardboard Tony Stewart wishes he had the driving talent of Robbie Gordon...lol
@@bryonkidder6199 doubt Stewart would want to go backwards in driving talent.
Far as I'm concerned I am a very big Tim Richmond fan always have been always will be I wish Tim would still be alive because the Intimidator would not be a seven-time champion if he was still alive and racing Tim was a master at my home track Riverside International Raceway I have never seen anyone go around Riverside like Tim. I met him at Riverside International Raceway when he was driving the old Milwaukee car ask him for his autograph he said no problem gave me his autograph and I still have that autograph to this day and very proud to have that autograph he will always be one of my top 10 drivers of all time there are very few drivers out there that treat the fans like they should be treated Tim was definitely one that did that I will always have total respect for Tim and anybody says any crap about him they're going to have to go through me that's how big of a Tim Richmond fan I am he was the only man to be able to intimidate the Intimidator there will never ever be a better driver than Tim Richmond no matter who or what or anything else anybody says I was there when he won his last race at Riverside International Raceway I have his Folgers car as a diecast and I also have his old Milwaukee Pontiac as a diecast and they are very proudly in my collection I will be making the JD Stacy card that he drove and I even made the number 21 Uno IndyCar that he drove in 1980 that just tells you how big of a Tim Richmond saying I am thank you for posting this and I did appreciate it have a good day and God bless
That’s awesome! And yeah, that was one of the biggest things about his personality.. he really cared about his fans. He knew it’s what both drove the sport and his career. A raw talent that was just great to be around. I have no doubt he’d at least landed one or two championships, especially with hendrick equipment. Just incredible, and a unique combination and character.
@@ClumsyCardboard that will always be why that Tim Richmond is one of my all-time favorite drivers my top 10 of NASCAR drivers does not have the intimidator in it I'm not a fan of his never have been never will be he wrecked too many cars back in his day and the dumbest thing ever to happen was the show called pass in the grass
@@jchayes7325 That was one of the big differences between them In my opinion, Earnhardt would find the limits of his bumper and other cars fenders in the race, and Tim would find the limits of the motor and the tires before anything else haha
Jesus! Ever hear of a sentence???
Tim just wasn't as dedicated to racing. he liked to party more.
NASCAR did screw him hard! But look now they are getting there's! A big ol'sinking ship!
Yes as a result of A kissing their diversity driver that has no talent.
Harry Hyde was not suitcase. Suitcase Jake Elder had that moniker as a crew chief. Get your facts from old guys from the sport like me. Jim53
12:53
My mistake. I happened to actually watch a documentary on him about a week prior, so some classic fruedian slippage goin on there. Good catch!
You're confusing Harry Hyde with "Suitcase" Jake Elder. And Tim wasn't "replaced" in the 1988 Daytona 500. Schrader signed with the team in 1987 after Tim had quit due to his health. Tim was going to drive Ken Ragan"s #77 Ford in the Busch Clash and Daytona 500 if he was cleared by NASCAR in 1988.
That I did. Big slip there. How you enjoyed the rest despite that!
@@ClumsyCardboard Excellent work sir & thank you for sharing and creating it!
@@MatthewLewisAtlanta Really glad to hear! It really is a genuinely unfortunate story. But, we can’t recall it as a tragedy. He made the absolute most of it, even if it didn’t have to be so short. And good point, “replaced” was the wrong word on my part there.
My dad painted both of his Indy cars
There has been some damn good indycar paint schemes, but his were pretty awesome. Your father did a great job
He is who Cole trickle was based on
I thought it was Rowdy since he the one feel ill after the wreck
@@damnmarkey Good question! But yes, Adam is correct. Cole's background, and personality, was loosely based on Tim Richmond.
If he raced after he knew he had AIDS, then he put every track emergency personnel and doctors at high risk. Not really a hero in my eyes.
He looked like Lieutenant Dangel.
Who is dangle?
You got one thing badly wrong....harry hyde abd suitcase Jake Elder are way different people
They never show that 30/30 on espn anymore
Unfortunately, yes that’s true. Haven’t for some time. You’d have to dig around for it online or just get a dvd copy of it.
@@ClumsyCardboard I’ve got the OG box set
Its on disney+ app. Tommy Morrison too
I remember Tim Richmond racing in Indy Cars and then into NASCAR. There is a video on CZcams, or at least used to be, of Tim being interviewed for TV and just walked away from the interview to chase down a hot looking girl. That was Tim's problem, he was a womanizer, had a penthouse in New York City, and generally rubbed NASCAR wrong. Tim because he was a northern boy, and they didn't really like it in those days if they came from anywhere outside of the south.
Jeff Foxworthy said it best;
“The reason NASCAR fans hate Jeff Gordon isn’t because he’s not from the south, it’s because he enunciates”
@@jennifersman7990 ROFLMAO
If anything, Richmond did it to himself. He had the world by the tail but he couldn't or wouldn't stay focused on what he needed to do.
All work and no play makes you dull, and ironically, defocused as well. There is a balance. Let's not jump to conclusions.
If Tim was to do what you think he should have done, then he would never get to where he was.
Easy, easy, easy Big Fella. He ain't the epitome of the 80s NASCAR. He was an outlier, not the Dude. 43 still reigned in the early 80s.
What I meant was in terms of personality.. He fit the mould of a 1980s hollywood type. I didn't mean he fully represent the sport in the 1980s. You're bang about the the 43. He was called the king for a reason, after all.
I am so happy that he wasn’t actually on drugs.
I so get why he didn’t trust nascar they screwed him
dw hated richmond because he knew how good tim was
DW, especially in recent years, came to appreciate the new fan base Tim brought into the sport.
Just like Mayfield hmm sounds like NASCAR was trying to blackball TR!?
The announcer is using passages from Tim's autobiograpy word for word
I didn’t even realize there was a autobiography, let alone read it. Do you know where I could buy a copy?
@@ClumsyCardboard Im sorry I meant biography - The book by David Poole. It was a really awesome and quick read.
@@phelpsmarc No problem! I’ll have a look and get a copy. Thanks for letting me know!
I’m late but you’re actually incorrect, the Tim Richmond from ARCA is related to the Tim Richmond who ran Cup. Dave (Tim from ARCA’s dad) is related to Tim.
In that case, the future is even brighter than imagined.
You have to wonder w/hiv having on average a 10 year incubation period & his lifestyle how many others could be infected.
Robbie Gordon talented driver said it all….no need to watch past 10 seconds
Well he did continually lie about his health and Nascar had to protect its sport. Theres no way they could let a driver in his health out there in case something were to happen
If you look at NASCAR today, they have not done a very good job of "protecting its sport"!
The. Sprint car 98 was sold to tim. The first race was at Mercer race track. Mercer pa. Western pa. My d
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And I owned that car. Jim raiti
Small world! Sucks to hear he broke the axle on it, though.
@@ClumsyCardboard I have a pic of Tim and I when he bought the car yet. I did talk to Harry hide. Tim Rick all at one time. For a road course in New York about set up. 1st time. Nascar ran a road course tim won. So must have been close. Jim raiti
I've been watching racing my whole life and the only name I've ever heard is suitcase Jake Elder never have I ever heard Suitcase Harry Hyde.
Big slip on my part. I got the nicknames of two crew chiefs confused.
@@ClumsyCardboard Good story I miss actual stock car racing.
@@ensignstephens6307 Glad you enjoyed! I think about those days an awful lot myself. I just wanted to provide better context to his history.
You mentioned Alan kulwicki, and that is also a very sad tale. He'd probably still be one of the most successful car owners to this day, even if he retired from racing. But I recall in an interview that he planned to leave the sport by 2003 anyways. Prophetic, given what changes to the sport were brought in at that time.
@@ClumsyCardboard Being from Martinsville I've seen a lot of great short track racing back to the modifides with and a lot of locals like Ronnie Thomas and Bugs Stephens Joe Henry Thurman Paul Radford I used to park car's on race day for the local fire department before everything went corporate.
@@ensignstephens6307 Modified drivers, the best in the busniess. Ronnie I also know of, became rookie of the year i believe in '78.
Back then they didn't really have no way to tell how you got it it was just when you got it you knew it cast Stars age as far as AIDS goes you take that out of out of the picture altogether and if you can't say that he was a trendsetter you're sadly wrong
I worked with one of his victims in Charlotte.
Very sad
For someone that died from HIV (RIP Tim) The title of this video for myself is a bit obnoxious. Not being disrespectful just think a better choice of words would have been appropriate.
It's in reference to the way the sanctioning body had treated him, and tried to sweep the whole deal under the rug. Nonetheless, maybe i coudl've reworded it a tad better.
NASCAR wanted Earnhardt not Richmond
I don’t personally think quite that deep. As the saying goes, don’t confuse stupidity for malice.
But he definelty did ruffle a few feathers too!
Imagine your dad buying you a Indy car 😂
He was also screwed by some guys. Apparently.
Wait, wait, wait, wait. For his 16th birthday he was given a sports car, speedboat, AND private airplane??!!! Who in the hell does that? Plus his family funded his racing career, out-of-pocket, until he moved to NASCAR. It's a damn shame he died so young but I can't feel any sympathy for the spoiled rich kid. NASCAR pulling his hard card was probably the first time in his life he heard the word "no".
He may have been a rich kid, but he raced his way upward on merit. He wasn’t a pay driver at hendrick, or even blue max. And lest we forget the complete GARBAGE he raced with, and even won with, on the cup schedule and even before it. I understand to a fault why you feel that way about him, but I feel it’s a bit obtuse. If logano died tomorrow I’d still feel nothing but sympathy. Morality on that doesn’t change for me.
@@ClumsyCardboard He definitely had great natural driving talent and earned every win fair and square. I consider myself lucky to have seen him race in his prime, especially wheel to wheel with Dale Sr. I don't feel bad for him for two reasons. First, he knew he was dying of a terminal disease but instead of staying away, made NASCAR be the "bad guy" and suspend him when he clearly was too sick to be in a race car at high speed. More importantly, AFTER being diagnosed with AIDS he continued having unprotected sex with his fiancé, and a few other women, all of whom died of AIDS as well. How can any decent person be so selfish and careless? I don't at all resent the success of wealthy folks or their kids, it's how he acted in the final two years of his life that taints my view of him.
Finished 3rd behind who Waltrip?!?
Darrell Waltrip. I believe was even ahead of him in points for a little while too, which means he could’ve been runner up. Still hard fought for third, and won the most races of anyone that season. He could wheel that thing!
@@ClumsyCardboard he said "Dale" Waltrip in the video. I think his mind got ahead of his mouth in this one. Lol
@@davidparrish1205 Absolutely. Plus I mumbled, which didn't help!
@@ClumsyCardboard it will come to you in time. Couple of flubs, but over all a good job on the narration.
@@davidparrish1205 Much appreciated David. Thank you. More recent videos thankfully have improved a ways since. Taking on the story of Tim Richmond was a bit more than I ought to have, but I’m glad I did. And I’m glad I did it justice even with the mumbles and fumbles.
U stole that saying during jd stacy part from days thunder
Nascar problem I'm sure Nascar are proud of there self
Nascar knew he had aids. They weren't allowed to know, but seeing how Richmond lived in Florida and Nascars head physician is a practitioner out of Florida, come on. Like Dale Earnhardt was quoted in this video, "doctors talk to each other." They were suspending him one way or the other. They wanted to know how he got it as if it were from drugs, then he'd fail a drug test, and they wouldn't have to have the uncomfortable discussion. When he passed the test, they just claimed he failed, so they didn't have to appear to suspend a driver essentially for being gay and im sure they didnt want to have to admit they had a gay driver. Even after his death, his family was addiment he acquired it from heterosexual sex. Yeah I'm sure that's what he told them but as my doctor told me "if you don't use intravenous drugs or engage in anal sex with men there is no reason to test you for aids". Either way, shame on Nascar.
Your whole statement is incorrect. Nascar didn't know he had Aids until the end. Because he wouldn't let a Nascar Doctor examine him. Aids was new back then and was associated with the Gay lifestyle. Tim was a womanizer, hiring hooked becouse he knew they wouldn't be after him for his money and it fit his busy life style.
You are correct that Tim rubbed Nascar the wrong way. Nascar went after Tim because they thought he was using cocain. Plus, he wouldn't bend a knee to them.
Dr Fouchi's first high profile victim.
Gota love a Ohio Guy rip Tim Richmond but I gotta think nascar knew he had hiv and him downplaying the fact wasn't kool
I reckon they knew.. they just didn't know how to go about it
Nascar didn't know until the end.
Why do you keep showing other peoples race cars while talking about Richmond? It just dont make sense. It would be very confusing to many people that isnt familiar with what they are looking at.
If I did only use Tim’s race cars and footage for every single segment, it would only be a handful of clips that would be repeated. To prevent that, and to add context of both his competition and the era he competed in, occasionally you would see other people’s races, cars, and individuals.
It wasn’t perfect, especially given this was my second ever video project, but nonetheless something that thankfully hasn’t been as much of an issue going forward. Hopefully that makes sense.
Lets be honest Great driver, Great personality But he knew he had aid's for yrs and kept sleeping with women with out a condom or ever telling them he was infected. 12 women died because of Tim's ego and denial .20/20 did some interviews with women he had infected. Not only did Tim kill these women by knowing he was sick he kept infecting women with aid's knowing they would die painfully and slowly just like himself. Nascar could not take a chance on him possibly infecting rescue workers or anyone else with a open bleeding wound. In short the man killed 12 women with out a gun or knife but by the worst way possible by aid's . Great driver but also a killer !There also was never ever a pass in the grass !
Earnfart was on drugs 😅
Title should be Tim Richmond screws every woman in the"system"🤣