Tony Abbott:"If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax."
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Tony Abbott:"If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax. Why not ask motorists to pay more?
Why not ask electricity consumers to pay more?
And then at the end of the year, you can take your invoices to the tax office and get a rebate on the carbon tax you paid.
It would be burdensome, all taxes are burdensome, but it would certainly change the price on carbon, raise the price of carbon without increasing in any way the overall tax burden."
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This is actually the only smart thing Tony Abbott has ever said.
Can we please get Tony Abbot and Sarah Palin in a room with reporters asking them questions? Those clips alone will run the comedy section of youtube for ages.
SWEDEN
Sweden has the highest carbon tax in the world at $US150.
In 1991, Sweden enacted a tax on the use of coal, oil, natural gas, petrol and aviation fuel used in domestic travel. The tax was 0.25 SEK/kg ($US100 per tonne of C02) and was later raised to $US150. With Sweden raising prices on fossil fuels since enacting the carbon tax, it cut its carbon pollution by 9 per cent between 1990 and 2006.
The only context that is missing here is that he said this while it was opposing Labor policy, now a Carbon tax has been proposed by the government it is suddenly a terrible idea.
And there wasn't a Carbon Tax under the government she lead. They introduced a trading scheme that started off with a fixed price. It wasn't a tax because companies were doing trading with each other for permits, it's just that the cost of them started at a fixed price. A tax is something altogether different.
Memo from Rupert: You work for me now Tony.
Just read a Coalition pamphlet. Apparently the carbon tax is going to cost the average Australian $3000 over the next 6 years. That's less than $10 dollars a week. That's a Jim Beam and coke at the club. That's a tip at a restaurant. That's spare change and I'm a student with a part-time job. Our hospitals are still understaffed, rural firefighters are underfunded but somehow everyone having to part with $10 a week is more important.
He's not saying he wants a carbon tax, he's just explaining how such a tax would work...
Are we so dumb that we don't realise that Direct Action is also a tax.
Yes, a TAX !!!
Direct Action is not a tax, it is a wealth distribution to the farmers and the industries instead of spending the money on government services. It is also a waste, because this government isnt going to put enough money to the program to make it work.
aerime
They don't believe, at least not Abbott, that climate change is real. Re "tax" I don't want to get into semantics, but somebody has to pay for it, and how?
Taxes !!!
And how is compliance to be secured?
FINES !!!
Google "Abbott's direct action fines a 'secret new carbon tax'"
D800Lover Direct action uses government revenue to get farmers and industries to produce less pollution. It is not a tax in the same way that public school or hospital is not a tax, it is funded by taxes, but not from a specific tax. I hope that clear it up for you. I am not saying it will work, by most economists who study into this, a price on carbon seems to be more efficient.
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I am quite clear what Direct Action is - please don't be condescending as if it needs 'clearing up' - in fact Direct Action is largely a con.
As that conservative doyen of virtue (hah) John Laws was fond to say, Governments don't have money, they have OUR money.
Government Revenue = TAXES.
Direct Action was invented so that one section of Liberal voters would not be lost, while at the same time send a coded message to the climate change doubters. Ross Gittins' article in the SMH last week exposed that beautifully.
So Direct Action is no more than a Fig Leaf.
I have nothing against putting a price or tax on carbon - in fact it is not a bad idea to do. Limiting CO2 emissions should be done. But I expect that it has no such priority with Mr Abbott. He would rather that the whole thing go away. It will of course not.
D800Lover I agree with you on most of your points, however, Direct Action in itself is not a tax, it is a spending item, it doesnt generate any revenue, so it is not a tax.
The only way this was taken out of context was if Abbott prefaced it with "I don't believe a word I'm about to say..."
YES TONY WHY NOT JUST DO IT WITH A SIMPLE TAX
I'd like to see him implement his own ideas
The original video from which this misleading snippet was taken is from 'Sky News - Interview with Tony Abbott' which is on youtube.
Alternatively, you could look at the actual context of this statement, which was Abbott discussing a tax on carbon emissions as compared to the ETS. He didn't say that it'd be a good idea at any stage.
But, y'know, why should we look at facts when we can just make them up as we see fit, and throw down a random excerpt from an interview without any context whatsoever?
"YOU would think Tony Abbott would still argue in favour of a “simple” carbon tax, how else did the Coalition expect to make its 25 proposed nuclear power stations economically viable - a “great big” carbon tax no doubt.
Tony Backhouse, Narraweena" - Manly Daily March 16, 2011
@glynnaaron where can we find that?
@TheDonvel at no point in Her Camapign did she say she wouldn't act.
and as she didn't have a majority government the mandate was formed with the agreement between independents and the government. the mandate stems from there - we choose that parliament, and it has a mandate to act on the legitimate mandate we have those people with seats to negotiate laws.
Brilliant!
They should just run this as an ad.
Tony Abbott has fully adopted the politics of the US where the Conservative party have decided that by saying NO to everything, even if the ideas are ones they once held, is how to get into power. Advocating for the govt to fail, no matter how it hurts people, so they can get into
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It's 60/40 to the No CT vote at the moment. Realists will still vote for the proposed policy that is current (except for any Gillard/Swan stated policy) at the next election.
Unfortunately it may be too late by then.
I remember this
it actually was the policy the coalition had before the last election. gillard also said she would do whatever she could to lower the pollution in australia. when the emission trading scheme was blocked by the coalition, she went with the carbon tax because it was their policy. now it seems like the coalition's only policy is to do the opposite of what the labour party does, yelling and screaming the whole way.
What a fantastic idea Tony, to put on a tax on electricity polluters etc!
Have you discuss this with Alan Jones?
Brisbanites love water too, but not as much as we got early last year
He was making the point that if you REALLY wanted to tax carbon (and it actually not be just a robin-hood tax) you COULD put a 'simple' tax on carbon output and then allow businesses to, like all other taxation, claim it in the annual return you would have achieved 'something' like taxing carbon.
BUT - What happens if the burden of administrating a tax like this higher than the revenue gained? Would it still be worth it? NO!
Putting words into his mouth, by suggesting he wants this, is wrong.
Did he say that he supports a carbon tax?
I heard him say: If you wanted to put a price on carbon (this is the way I think it should be done).
He's talking hypothetically.
What did Mr Abbott mean when he said that if you want to put a price on carbon why not do it with a simple tax? He even wanted to put a tax on petrol?
How can someone, who is so vehemently opposed to a price on carbon, even contemplate the possibility of such legislation. His belief is that the carbon price will destroy the economy, wipe Whyalla of the map and mean the end of the mining industry.
If the legislation is really that bad, it is totally irresponsible to ever have considered it.
@1991njl Which isn't a price on carbon but a tax on the people to maybe, possibly clean up existing polluters without changing anything.
@bendiviolet
Pretty sure he prefaced the whole thing with, "if you want to put a price on carbon ..."
But my Great Big Nanny Tax on 3,200 Largest companies won't be passed on or destroy Whyalla , trust me. Its not a tax , its a Levy .
It's pretty clear that if he's publicly supporting a price on carbon, his current political agenda is more about crushing Labor than opposing their policy.
@TheDonvel How exactly has this been taken out of context?
@kzfm100 The context is that Tony Abbott was asked by the interviewer if he believes climate change is man-made and real. Abbott said it's far from certain, and then he started talking about this simpler carbon tax because the ETS is far too complicated for people to understand. It's not taken out of context at all.
Reasons why this video hasn't had more views is that Copenhagen happened in the meantime. All of this interview was anticipating global action made there. Without global action placing a carbon economy at a competitive disadvantage is a big problem. Therefore context is important when viewing this clip.
Still, Abbott's option of a carbon tax shown here is still better than the Robin Hood tax proposed by the current government.
It will destroy the steel industry, the cement industry, the aluminium industry, the motor industry it will be, over time, the death of heavy manufacturing in Australia
Tony Abbott on the Clean Energy Legislation
The original reference for this misleading video is Sky News - Interview with Tony Abbott feature=youtu.be. He is not saying that he would use a carbon tax, but was talking about the Rudd governments mandate and made it clear that Liberals would not be doing it what Labor was doing. He considered a carbon tax was preferable to Rudds ETS. He did not say he would institute a carbon tax in government. Rudd had a mandate for Carbon tax, Gillard does not. This is more Labor apologists mumbo jumbo.
Abbott: ''Yes, the initial impact of the carbon tax may not be absolutely catastrophic,'' 25/08/2012
Exactly. The legislation isn't actually bad at all. Julia stole the idea, Abbott got pissy about it, and now he's opposing it for the sake of opposing it.
The only thing Tony Abbott is sincere about is wanting the keys to Kirribilli House and The Lodge.
On side one, you have economics. You have science. You have whatever Tony Abbott may believe in. On side two, you have Tony Abbott's wish to occupy a particular swivel chair on the floor of the House of Representatives. For the entirety of Tony Abbott's career, side two has been the winner. That has not been possible without the support of the voting public.
I think his motto should be "Goes up and up and up"
@TheDonvel ... The reason this clip IS relevant is because he is saying that IF you want to put a price on carbon the best way would be with a carbon tax, yet his party (excluding Malcom) now say that the best way is their absurd direct action plan, which was the basis for Tony Jones question, could the opposition support a carbon tax in any way.) Why would a party, that doesn't accept there is a real problem, offer any climate plan at all, if it's isn't political opportunism?
why wasn't this quote given more publicity ( by the Lab' Gov't ) at the time ?
+richard jagger cos the electorate had their fingers in their collective ears. It was publicised by the not-so-mainstream media.
+richard jagger Because Murdoch was hell bent on delivering the coalition the government.
so the Aust' public are too stupid to make up their own minds & blindly follow Murdochs orders on how to vote ?
Generally yes.
everyone else is stupid but not you of course ?
Someone put this man in a pro-carbon action television ad!!!
China to levy carbon tax before 2015
China's biggest energy-consuming companies are likely to face a direct tax on carbon dioxide emissions by 2015, the Xinhua-backed Economic Information Daily reported on Thursday, citing government sources.
Well I’ve said all along that the carbon tax ultimately spells death for the coal industry…
Tony Abbott on the Clean Energy Legislation
The context is in the question he was asked.
Tony Abbott:"If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax? Why not ask motorists to pay more?
Why not ask electricity consumers to pay more?
And then at the end of the year, you can take your invoices to the tax office and get a rebate on the carbon tax you paid.
It would be burdensome, all taxes are burdensome, but it would certainly change the price on carbon, raise the price on carbon without increasing in any way the overall tax burden."
@D800Lover Mate I agree but Gillard spent tens of millions selling the "clean energy future" yknow
@mayuhavepeace ...affect how one votes. One votes for the person they believe to be best for the job. You don't say, 'oh, people call me left wing, so I HAVE to vote Green.' you vote for whoever you think is best. You could be someone with left wing ideals, but doesn't believe in the current status of left wing parties at the present, and so you may vote for a more conservative party at the time. There are so many things to think about. So there is no need to get aggressive about it.
More Tony Abbott Statements:
This is the mother of all Taxes (No not GST)
Great Big New Tax On Everything (No not GST)
Climate Change is Crap.
We will fight this every second of every minute of every hour of every day of every week of every month.
There will be a people’s revolt.
Whyalla will be wiped off the map by Julia Gillard’s carbon tax.
This is a pledge in blood this tax will go. We will rescind it.
I have staked my political life, what’s left of it, on stopping this carbon tax.
I could watch this all day.
This is brilliant tacics. Abbott doesn't say he supports a carbon tax. He says, if you want to put a price on carbon a carbon tax is one way to do it. Where's the confusion? Gillard fell for it, hook, line and sinker. Abbott's now a shoe-in at the next election. Gillard's a gonner. Abbott has never gone to an election promising a carbon tax, has he?
@kzfm100 just watched the entire original source. It is not out of context in any way. Tony states that he doesn't think that climate science is settled or reliable (lol) and then says that a carbon tax would be a good simple solution... where is the out of context?
Sorry what?
he just wants to tax everyone a fixed amount? so everyone with a car gets taxed? is that meant to reduce carbon? someone explain how?! people need to drive cars, and they're not going to stop because of a tax.
We need to be taxing the big companies like shopping malls, law firms, oil companies -- things like that, to encourage them to invest in solar power or less harmful kinds of energy...
if you think there not the same party, why are they always using the same polices? and you also know, when something is decided in parliament, both sides get to vote, they work together, they have to. people just thing labor has been the one running the county when it's both of them, it's fact, that's how parliament works.
@TheDonvel, your argument as to its irrelevance should'nt be that the taxes are different (merely different in where applied and where and how redeemed, but both are taxes), your argument should be that Abbott doesn't think carbon should be priced at all. He doesn't, he doesn't understand how science works period, let alone the climate science debate. If they don't see there is an issue, why are they offering a stupid plan that will waste a lot of money for something they think is not an issue?
What makes you think that a communist leader (a title which actually contradicts itself) would not become corrupt to power and create a regime of oligarchy anyway? It has happened in Russia and China, creating suffering and widespread poverty for the benefits of no-one but leaders. Isn't that the definition of oligarchy?
"Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely"
*IF* you want a price on carbon THEN a carbon tax is the best way to do it... you realise this idea is not mutually exclusive with NOT supporting a price on carbon at all?
@trenma09ac just search CZcams for 'Sky News Tony Abbot interview'
Of course it is good for the economy and the environment. For those of you that still cannot understand the point is to create an incentive for corporations to invest in green technology. This not only helps the environment but if the incentive is large enough it will also put those Australia on the forefront of the green technology industry, which will be an extremely important industry in the decades ahead.
I don't get it, he's 100% supporting a carbon tax. How can he wriggle his way out of this?
Tony Abbott doesn't want a carbon tax and never has wanted one. That is the reason he took Malcolm Turnbull's job, otherwise we would have already had a market based mechanism. The carbon tax is a fucking stupid idea. If it really needs to be done financially then it should be done through a cap and trade, or emissions trading scheme. Not yet ANOTHER tax.
Why not just mandate we shut down coal power stations by 2030, and the companies have between now and then to replace them
Well what was he arguing for? a carbon price? The man is on the record advocating a carbon tax. he has made his bed, now he must lay in it.
@AnthosHero Agreed
@melbkid08 tony abbott " If i was in Govt and more in a position to influence something like this, a carbon tax is what we would be looking at"
On this issue he is similar to the other issues that he made assurances about - you know - the promises that he made, as opposed to the promises we thought he made and the promises we'd hoped he'd made. This man is such a LIAR he probably farts lies out of his bottom....they come out sounding like LNP policy statements...oh the fools that voted for him must be sweating in their boots waiting for the next blunder.
@richspur2004 No mate, what I am saying, is that if you are the leader, you have the agenda. You, with the numbers in the party room, hold the sway, the direction, of the party (at that time)
Gillard WAS the Leader when she said that there would not be a Carbon Tax whilst she was Leader.
I am not the one crying foul here. I am stating facts. She was the leader, she made a decision, her party moved in a direction and then when the electorate DIDN'T give her a mandate, she got it via others!
Mind you, even in this he completely doesn't understand what he's saying. "You claim it all back from the tax office at the end of the year" - what would be the point of that then ? So it only falls on those people who don't earn enough to pay tax???? Man does not understand anything about economics, tax, climate - nothing!
This guy needs to be honest with the Australian people.
If people aren't smart enough to look at the original source, then there is not much one can say. No point in disputing with fanatics.
well it's sure as hell not good for the economy, and to add to that carbon taxes don't help global warming
You can't believe what he said there. It wasn't a carefully scripted remark, obviously.
Thanks Tony, we've finally put into law your suggestion!
Great day!
Abbots new direct action policy on carbon, is even more simple, only a simple person could have come up with the idea. Good on you Tony you speak the language that us simple folk can understand. Not like Gillard, you have to be an intellectual lefty to understand her.
I would rather a communist, communism is not as bad as you think. I would rather Democracy, but we have an oligarchy, not Democracy.
He's a grub. The problem is so many Australians have caught the mob hysteria that says he is honourable and competent. Makes me laugh and cry at the same time.
I don't particularly support either party but this just highlights what is wrong with out political system/environment.
Both leaders believe in their heart of hearts that the carbon tax is the right thing to do, but both are prepared to lie about it in order to win public support. They both know that a considerable percentage of Australians are too lazy or ignorant to bother trying to understand it properly and instead just think tax = bad.
If you think Julia Gillard is Communist I think you need to do a little research on both Communism and her policies.
@ducktube80
I would've thought a competitive advantage was irrelavent to the economy if there was no tourism, or iron ore left in the ground, 50 years from now.
@richspur2004 Pfft. Talk about something from the current term. A lot of water under the bridge since then and a lot of new analysis that shows the CT is a complete waste of effort. All pain for no gain. Why deny this ? None are so blind as those that will not see. What will be the price in the 2nd year, third year, fourth year ? What will the amount of compensation be in the 2nd 3rd 4th ....years ? Why has the UK put in a get out clause for 2014 ? Why does Spain have 20%+ unemployment ?
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So his latest stunt is to break a woman's leg with his car, and thinks it's nothing, doesn't want to talk about it. The most dangerous man in Australian politics.
Actually it was the Islam Mosque that was wiped out and burnt down.
"There will ne no NBN under a government I lead... oh hang on, ummm.... I have never supported a carbon tax... oh hang on, ummm... Mal, help please?" Tony Abbott June 2012
@geeksrulz Ah but a tax of only 5 cents by 2015
@ToodyayComputers I don't know why he said it. But he's mentioning something that yeah you can do. It wasn't a policy announcement and he doesn't even agree with it. If anyone has watched whats gone on in Canberra the past couple of weeks in the Labor party, with all the truth coming out, plus all the lies we've received from Gillard, to me this 1 minute video means nothing haha
When will his handlers realize its not a good idea to put him in front of a camera?
well isnt that dandy
you got it right in one!
@richspur2004 I think we all know that Tony Abbott has done a backflip on climate change since 2009 (when he declared it was "crap"). Nevertheless, I don't think this video offers proof that he supported a carbon tax.
Teflon Tony worries not about his past positions
oh tony you bloody beauty!!!!
Mr Abbott: There is the carbon tax-that wrecking ball that is about to swing right through the Australian economy from 1 July - Hansard Thursday, 31 May 2012
Industry is at fault, but no industry no human progress which will mean society suffers
And this guy is our opposition leader? We're fucked
@TheDonvel
"But let's look at the other side of politics - back stabbers, hypocrits, liars, communists, unionists, socialists, etc." "Abbott lied! OMG - this is the end of the world, is it? He is a bloody politician - he suppose to lie" --- ummm exactly double standards much?
Just like Mr. Greg Hunt - the Environmental Minister - who wrote his fucking PhD THESIS on why putting a price on carbon is a good idea. You can't make this shit up.
Lol at the opposition and the general public still going apeshit over a carbon tax. Seriously, I think everyone should just be grateful they're living in a safe developed country. The least you should do is get over the tax.
Besides if Abbott was in office, you people will be crying over workchoices and such, then you'll change your mind and vote ALP. This shit will never end, there is no perfect politician. Abbott will find every excuse to oppose ALP by looking at the cons just to gain support.