So at SDCC it was revealed PENGUIN was gender swapped and will now be Oswalda Cobblepot and voiced by Minnie Driver. I wonder how many people who hated "my take" will change thier minds and now start hating the show before a single episode comes out?
I first saw the trailer for Caped Crusader and immediately started to search the show up, and then found a bunch of videos talking about a gender swapped Cobblepot and I just…cringed. First Kill The Justice League, and now this? It doesn’t work… I do love some of the redesigns of other villains though, Catwoman especially looks really cool, but Harvey looks a little bland to me. I felt like you’ve made some pretty solid takes, except for your opinion on Robert Pattinson’s The Batman, that take was a big stinker. Don’t worry though, Under The Mayo is still the crowning jewel of having bad takes about Batman Arkham Knight lol
@HeroCourseDropOut the shows you said are bad aren't bad your just WAY to nostalgic for when you where younger and the reaves batman movie was not a dumpster fire it wss great and there are plenty of dark batman movies including animation your acting like all the other batman shows where like a covkomelon video
haha my guy i love your comment! you made me laugh with the cocomelon line. I ADMIT i am very biased but i truly don't like those shows brave and the bold had some hitters but because of the nature of the brave and the bold i dont give it as much shit as the other 2
@HeroCourseDropOut eveb btas was childish some times like that Christmas episode where ethe joker hade a giant santa and other big gadgets and stuff like that
@EiraGoodfellow When beyond premiered i was 16 and didn't know what to expect with the show so i didn't know what to think. also at that time in my life i was living in Germany on a military base the show was brought over but the ONE American channel that shows all the english cartoons doesn't show commercials so there wasn't anything to get me excited about it other than advertisements isn magazines and comics i ran into the same issue for the 1at season of Teen Titans I moved back to the states in 2004 so i was able to seecommercials and whatnot. i love beyond i think that beyond was such a great expansion of the the batman myhos/legacy Terry is a lot more nuanced than bruce, and the episode of justice league that reveals him to be the biological child of bruce wayne was incredible. Terry also had a pretty cool rogue's gallery too line Inque and Derek powers had such a cool visual aesthetic!
@@HeroCourseDropOutI guess for many people since the shows you said were trash are objectively not trash, but at the end of the day it is your opinion, hopefully this new show is good tho
I have a feeling its gonna be cool. It wont hit like BTAS, but i think it will be a cool addition to the BatVerse, just like the 2004 The Batman was! (my opinion of course. That show was fresh and fun, and had awesome art direction due to Jeff Matsuda, comic book OG. That Joker was dope!) Appreciate your take bro
i feel like the Batman joker is the type to hold onto the blun too long lol thanks for watching, and i appreciate hearing your opinion. I'm gonnna be the day one iskeptical but still ready for august!
Reno ramano who i live in everything I hate him as batman/bruce. I don't like the changes to rogue gallery like clayface. I hate that Batgirl came before Robin I understand the Robin mandate was in effect but that sucks. Ellen Yin just dissapears no resolution to her character. I'm really not of the fan of the art direction in general the animation looks good but the art style puts me off. And lastly the final seasons world tour of guest appearances. They knew it was the final season and threw every cameo they could. The over feel of the show was too lighthearted that works for superman not for batman unless you're going ALL the way campy like brave and the bold.
I, too, am scared of Matt Reeves and JJ Abrams' names being on the cover, but I still have hope for this. I don't expect it to be as good as the original, but I believe it still has potential. I do love how it's actually focusing on his detective skills more than other iterations have been doing recently. As long as it's better than that one certain comic line _(cough cough, Scott Snyder's Court of Owls, cough cough)_ then I'm cool with it!
I understand that you're nervous, but as a massive fan of Batman: The Animated Series, I'm going to give this show a chance because it's going to be different, and I trust JJ Abrams.
I'm still definitely going to be there on day 1 ready to watch I just won't jump in there with the same expectations I had for other shows in the batman line up im going to keep them tempered and hopefully it blows me away!
@@kev_7731 its fine to trust him, his "mostly" good film usually have someone to restrict him in writing, but when he let loose, and have full freedom then yeah we should be nervous but this time we have matt reeves, bruce tim to watch over his ass, he wont have much impact.
Now you seem like a really chill and likeable person, but I just can’t get behind your opinions on Matt reeves “The Batman” and the show “The Batman”. As for the movie, I believe you misunderstood the themes of it due to the replies I’ve read on other comments. I do agree that Bruce Timm without Paul Dini is a little worrisome but I still have faith
so i've actually watched the movie again after dropping this video and i tried to have a more open mind but it took me 3 days to finish. i fell asleep twice watching it. all my critiques of the film remain somewhat the same, but i have to add one more i think the movie is flat out boring, it doesn't engage me the way a film should, and Matt Reeves is PIVOTAL to the planet of the apes reboot and those films are so thought provoking, i dont know why his sensibilities didn't translate to batman imo. I really wanted to give it another chance that maybe in 2019 when i saw it i wasn't in the right headspace, but i was genuinely excited to see it then but left my theater supremely underwhelmed. there are some good things about it Colin farrel's penguin, zoe kravitz' body language shifts effortlessly when she's catwoman i think she is the standout in the film. but overall i think the film is a 6/10.
Ignoring the justice league cartoons or the great animated Batman movies screams spiteful oldhead lmao “grrr last time Batman wasn’t disappointing was 1992 😡” 😂
Justice league isn't a batman cartoon and falls with the continuity of batman tas and this was about batman tv shows, ongoing series not animated features you missed the point. And 1/2 those batman animated films are Robin movies where robins a little dick who doesn't know how to listen.
Sounds more like your over hyping Batman TAS and dont want to admit or projects can be good The Batman, Brave and the Bold, and Beware the batman were all good shows you just need to stop holding this standard that the show should surpass the old one
TAS is the bar none of those other shows raised it i dislike beware and the batman. Brave and the bold had moments but was not consistent enough also BTB was supposed to be campy like Adam west batman, that versionbon batman isn't high on my priority list. I don't need caped Crusader to surpass TAS I just need it to actually be worth my time. I really want this show to do well because at least based off the trailer its the style of batman I resonate with. But I thought that about beware and was very let down
@@HeroCourseDropOutimagine thinking the only time Batman was good was Batman the animated series that a garbage take what about beware the Batman & Batman brave and bold and the Batman their great shows
I don't understand the rage in the comments section. It's a fairly safe take in my opinion. Yeah it might or might not suck and we have to manage our expectations.
i expressed an opinion on the internet this was always going to go down like this. but that's ok i opened up a discussion which was the point. of my video people can be angry with me i'm going to express my point and move on this channel is about having discussions and at least on my mind i will try and respond positively.
Nothing annoys me more than a batman fanboy who's too biased towards BTAS and can't except a different batman adaptation. The batman & Batman the brave and the bold couldn't be more valid takes on the character.
I'm willing to accept good adaptions of batman. I don't consider those as good adaption. Brave & bold has some decent episodes but its not what I like about batman. And I just outright don't like the batman. I don't like the way it looks, sounds, or the changes it made to the mythos.
@@HeroCourseDropOut IMO it making changes is a good thing. It can't just be BTAS 2.0 and honestly I think The Batman does some things better then BTAS. it handled Robin, Batgirl, Catwoman, and Alfred far better then BTAS.
@@loggieboy9921 i prefer the more serious stuff the batman who creates omac protocols they guy who has his finger on the button. The camp stuff doesn't appeal to me as much not from batman I love that stuff for the flash though I feel like it fits Barry or wally better
There's a bruce aspect in btas that the batman neglected. There's no character study of bruce. He's in costume 95% of the film. Batman lacks depth imo in this movie.
I mean, one could say that about any new thing that hasn’t come out yet. I’m just thankful we’re gotten a new X-men, now Batman, and if we’re lucky a new Spider-Man series all in one year. Comic book animation is finally Back😄!
Spider-man freshman year supposedly comes to disney+ in November wish granted! I made an 8 minute video about it. Its on the channel if you're interested.
Batman the animated series created the standard for what a good Batman cartoon adaptation could be. Nothing that came after had the cultural impact that BTAS had. I'm not surprised to see this show coming out just after the success of X-Men 97. They are reproducing the look in an attempt to draw in an audience that is nostalgic for the original. Will it have any of the qualities that made the first season a success? That remains to be seen. Based off of everything that has been produced in the past decade, I doubt it. Excellent expression of your opinion and I'm glad someone made a video about it. Thank you good brother!💯💯😁😁😎😎
The art styles really aren't that similar it's more like archer wall the animated series has a unique style this art style isn't bad tho it's still good
I agree on some points. Nothing hit for me other than BTAS and Beyond. I do however look forward to this show. Thanks for your opinion, don’t bother with the haters!
I actually love The Batmans artstyle, im a sucker for that edgy 00s style of western cartoon mimicking anime while still being distinctly western unlike say Castlevania and i actually love the unique character designs the show had. I actually miss that timeperiod of cartoons completely reworking characters to where they look unrecognizable from how they appear in the comics and the new superman show almost a throwback to that era
@@HeroCourseDropOut Its a very "00s" era take on batman if that makes sense. Maybe its just me be nostalgic for the time period but it clicks with me in that sense
I don't really agree with a lot of your takes, but I can respect them because you presented them in a very concise, well structured way. I do hope your wrong, and that the show slaps, but either way, good job on the video.
that's ok thank you for your feedback i really appreciate it, TBH i hope im dead ass wrong so i can make a video saying i was dead ass wrong and this show is awesome!
I have watched your video in it’s entirety. I have heard your concerns. And I have to say I find some of your arguments…nitpicky. First, let’s get this out of the way, those shows you don’t like are still well liked as BTAS, not perfect but good in their own rights, I’m not surprised people jumped the gun. Second, complaining about where it is, hey ya know what else I can watch in prime that I probably can’t on max? BTAS, I won’t say that it couldn’t have worked in the lineup they have, but as someone with no max subscription I take the w. You do make some good points though, I have hope for the story telling but we don’t know yet, and yes, BTAS left a huge shadow. Honestly I’m hopeful, no matter where it is. On something unrelated, max did make a Batman podcast not too long ago, if you’re curious check it out.
It not being on max is just strange to me im more trying to make a connection that max didn't want the project because of a quality issue. I saw that podcast yesterday I was thinking about giving it a listen while I was at work. I know people love the other shows the batman and brave ran for like 4 and 3 seasons respectively so I know they were successful they just weren't my thing .
@@HeroCourseDropOut well Warner bros are a little more friendly with there content as opposed to say Disney. Most of there superhero movies can be found on Netflix
I actually love the rest of the batman show i believe the majority of them have aspects of them understand batman and tell good stories. But i think the caped crusader is going to be bad. Frankly im soo tired of "batmans origins or early years of batman". The year one movie and the animated series told these stories good enough. Id prefer if they adapted the newer stories or atleast stories and characters from the 90s 2000s and modern era. The batman mythos has several profitable characters. Red hood, damien wayne, professor pyg, hush, the court of owls. While these characters have had their chance the animated movies but they deserve the longevity and notability of tv. And while young justice was good they weren't given the focuses they could have. And frankly i think the animation in the trailers look cheap. But thats probably related to the management at warners bros
Let's wait until it actually arrives to pass judgment. Far too many people judge a product before it's finished and public, often with very toxic opinions that are unfounded and nitpicky.
Batman: Caped Crusader is taking on new ideas and concepts while also giving hat nastolgic art style for BTAS fans. (Also, Pattinson had a OKAY preformance. Stop hating 😂)
Um yes 3 films came out 2 of which he directed and since that a plethora of additional series have come out but only after the 3 films brought audiences back
The 2009 film is responsible for the resurgence in Star Trek and the films and television shows that followed. They all were terrible but, yeah Abrams' film was responsible. 🤷♂
To everyone who has left a comment thank you this is a really small youtube channel so the engagment from everyone is really appreciated, and i knew when i made this video people would probably be a little upset by it but for the most part the comment section has been amazing i love how passionate you guys are about Batman and i'm happy that this many people are excited about the new show, I will have tempered my expectations but i will be watching Day one like all of you guys. i want to thank everyone who watched the video even though you knew going in you probably wouldn't like my HOT TAKE.
U are absolutely wrong. Batman Beyond is great, The Batman show is great, The Batman movie is great Brave and the bold is and he has tones are great animated movies. Caped crusader looks amazing
I did not enjoy any of the batman, too many changes to lore, ugly art direction, and great voice actors not fitting their roles Reno ramano is so good but he's awful as bruce/batman
BATB has some real bangers but it's too lighthearted its too much like Adam West 66 series. Its just not what I want from a batman show. It was off putting.
@@milosbatmanvideos i have it on a short list of shows to rewatch to see if it aged better, i havent seen it since it aired. i'm just going off the opinion i had of the show back then.
we should always give anything or anybody a chance , just like the chance you want others to give you. it's interesting show. i get the problem though.
@@HeroCourseDropOut i agree man i respect your a opinion and your Chanel have a great day. and it's possible that it might be bad not many animated shows been good lately.
@@HeroCourseDropOut i would like a cyberforce animated series my adventures with Superman is not bad but but i'm use to jimmy being a redhead they could have had Steel as part of the main cast if they wanted black character. they could have used Volcana instead of heatwave too BTW. i like Livewire in this series than the DCAU. cyberforce looks interesting and youngblood reboot with no stories from the comics because the comics are not so great but some are.
i recently started my adventures i was shocked by how good it was i binged up to the point where i caught up to season 2 i feel like no one told me how good it is overall
Thinks New Star Wars is shit ✅ Thinks Matt Reeve’s the Batman was also shit ✅ You got a sub bro tbf the Batman cartoon had good action and art direction, but I understand the issues with it. It personally held me over as a good action cartoon, but it’s no classic. I never liked Brave and Bold
Thanks for the sub the batman cartoon just felt too foreign the way the rogues gallery was handled took a lot of thier bite away i feel like a great batman villian is a dark reflection of Bruce one who shows what would happen if bruce just had "one bad day" i think the villians in the batman don't give me that vibe also i'm not happy with the overall art direction but i think the ANIMATION in that show was nice and fluid.
How is reeve's batman a "dumpster fire of a movie" it made really good numbers and it might be one of the best batman stories ever after the comics and btas. If it's not for you it's totally ok it's your opinion but that does not make it a fact.
i didnt say it to be a fact. this whole video is an opinion piece. Batman has a long and storied film series and there are some truly bad films, The batman for me just doesn't do anything for me, its long drawn out there are too many "connections" that undermine viewer intelligence, or pander to non-batman fans for the sake of being able to wrap the story up as conveniently as possible. I think it's better than either Schumacher film under almost everything else.
@HeroCourseDropOut idk it might be j could be wrong but If the red bandana guy is clay face it's the original clay face who was just a serial killer who'd change how he looked with makeup and costumes
ok so i have these problems with the film. Starting with Pattison i find his performance STIFF! I loved the physical makeover and how his Bruce Wayne looks perpertually tired but he feels like he's not giving the performance his all he's better than affleck by MILES . Bale is my ideal batman/bruce balance there are scenes in the Dark knight and begins where BRUCE is an outright Tool because bale treats bruce like the mask and batman as the man. And the mask is an outlandish playboy who bathes in restaurant fountains then buys the restaurant when they try and kick him out. Pattinson seems despite himself as bruce and not in a non chalant way. I think the movie is not paced well either which is evident in its nearly 3 hour run time so i found myself bored during certain stretches of the film, I HATE the plot point of Thomas asking for Mob bosses to threaten journalists over Martha's mental health issues. Selina Kyle being related to falcone bothers me these type of connections don't need to be made. to me these kind of alterations to long established characters is a way of talking down to the audience. like we can't have seperate entities I have a similiar problem with the The Amazing Spider-Man films where EVERYTHING is tied to oscorp the lizard, the goblin, electro, EVEN peter's powers. but with peter's powers its even worse since the DNA in the Spiders belongs to richard parker meaning ONLY peter could have become spider-man. These things water down the product! They even found a way to tie the riddler to the wayne's not allowing him to be a stand alone villian.
@Choppa773 WHAT?! how did you hear that? bro this is a video about animated batman not live action this comment is absolutely bonkers to me? If you want my opinion on those movies here you go: Batman '89 goated started a tradition where i've seen every theatrical batman release just me and my dad. Returns danny devito IS the penguin in the same way Robert downey Jr. is Tony Stark, Forever - Jim Carey saves that from being a pretty crap film, batman and robin - bat nipples say it all Begins - best batman origin story in live action film except for the way they say Ras al ghul The Dark knight: The GOLD standard of superhero films. Rises- better than everyone says it is not as good as the dark knight
The 2 best Batman Films period are Mask of the Phantasm and Batman Beyond Return of the Joker (Return of the joker didn't get a theatrical release tho it's just a damn good movie)
i have thoughts and feelings about that show.... but they apply to the larger dcau at large. real quick my take isn't far from others people they cut corners on that show and it's visible but it streamlined the art overall making for easier animation unfortunately the visual appeal of BTAS was one of its greatest strengths it was a tough pill to swallow as a kid. i praised BTAS for not talking down to kids but XTAS and BTAS are both guilty of thinking kids wouldn't notice such drastic changes to art styles, luckily TNBA still maintained high quality story telling. that transition to the "sleeker" art style though became the go to style for the DCAU at large though. its's part of the reason i personally hold teen titans and legion of superhero's in very high regard both shows imo got DC animation to a place where where art direction really felt like it mattered. Then the batman came out it left me deflated.
@@HeroCourseDropOut ok, but TNBA had an average storytelling, with Batman behaving like a dick (and literally deserving Grayson's disdain), the Batgirl ship, or how most of the episodes from that sequel lacked the sleekness of the original cartoon. THE BATMAN cartoon was its own thing, not owing anything to the DCAU. THE BRAVE AND THE BOLD was great in that it was a love letter to DC Comics, and both series (along with BATMAN BEYOND) have been the best Batman cartoons ever, next to the 92 one. I can agree on BEWARE THE BATMAN, though, which is, by far, the worst Batman cartoon ever.
I kind of always liked the dissolution of the bruce/dick dynamic. Batman trying to distance himself from the team while simultaneously needing them feels likes a general theme of TNAB. And it carries all the way to the batman beyond return of the joker movie.
The art style really isnt thwt much like the animated series its its more like archer really i think the only reason you think that its the anainted series art style is because of the costume wich is a batsuit ofc theyll look alike but really they dont like that much alike the new one is batmans first ever costume that he hade in hes first appearance but with black gloves instead of the purple ones wnd teh animated one is just a average batsuit he looks like that most times thats what he wore in the brave and the bold aswell
@@HeroCourseDropOut that's just dumb btas hade buildings that don't look like they could work in real life this has pretty normal buildings and also batman was created on the 30s wich is also where this show takes place so that's why it has that's style
@@Pat12379 i know that man but itsthe combination of it all it looks old but looks new at the same time which is what BTAS was going for theyare on the same wave length similiar enough at a glance. but that now what worries me about the show tbh. its just similiar.
true but most streaming services that aren't available internationally usually get shows like this through other methods distribution like another streaming platform of terestial television deal
didnt like the art, the voice acting and i love reno ramano in most things,, didnt like alot of the storylines or weired alterations to some of the rogues gallery, joker more likely to pass you a blunt than hurt you. and i'm still mad about the whole clayface situation
Oohmf the is the 2nd time I've made that mistake. we need more titles! So after making this video and seeing people responses I went back and rewatched it... it took me 3 days I kept following asleep the movie actually bores me... the film has stakes but they feel almost meaningless and I dislike things like the riddler having personal a personal vendetta against the waynes, Thomas Wayne beholden to the mob and catwoman being related to Moroni, its like in the amazing spider-man series everything is OSCORP. Why do film makers TREAT fans like we can't understand characters as being unconnected with thier own motives
Then don’t watch at all n yes your opinion only matters to you but again dont watch it enjoy being a hater but much love of putting a video together n editing skills ❤
@@HeroCourseDropOut meaning not a fan of Batman cuz u do know there’s multiple different Batman’s in the dc comics shows cartoons anime’s anything u can think of I love Batman n maybe I’m a die hard fan but u just love dark Batman how I see it more like the edgy grungy Batman but honestly again it’s your opinion just don’t watch it or give any reviews on it cuz to most of us Batman fans don’t care 🤷🏿♂️
@@jasxnh0rr0r3 I'm gonna watch im going to put out my take and dicuss news if you don't like my take there are other channels you should watch im ok with that. your gatekeeper mentality is crazy my man. I hope you're not mad about penguin being a lady in this new show.
Tf are you saying dude 😂😂... The animated Batman films are the only good and accurate representations we have about Batman compared to the live action films... Some of them are great but lack comic Accuracy and they don't always encapsulate Batman's and Bruce Wayne's character properly The Batman movie was good but Bruce Wayne's portrayal was honestly very very sh***ty And j don't understand how you feel happy about yourself saying this when these animated shows are some of the best rated shows you can find anywhere 😂😂😂... Dude just because you don't like something doesn't always mean it's bad... Especially if it's reviews and global ratings say otherwise... Just relax bro
I feel happy about it because that is my opinion, it is my opinion that 2 of 3 of those shows are bad and one is just meh! that sucks to me. when Batman TAS, Superman TAS, both justice league shows batman beyond, static shock, teen titans SHIT EVEN the ZETA PROJECT, make all 3 of those show looks terrible! and they all tell much better stories. SOME of the animated movies are awesome but there are way too many i can't even keep track of the one's I've seen except Red hood always sticks out though.
So at SDCC it was revealed PENGUIN was gender swapped and will now be Oswalda Cobblepot and voiced by Minnie Driver. I wonder how many people who hated "my take" will change thier minds and now start hating the show before a single episode comes out?
I first saw the trailer for Caped Crusader and immediately started to search the show up, and then found a bunch of videos talking about a gender swapped Cobblepot and I just…cringed. First Kill The Justice League, and now this? It doesn’t work…
I do love some of the redesigns of other villains though, Catwoman especially looks really cool, but Harvey looks a little bland to me.
I felt like you’ve made some pretty solid takes, except for your opinion on Robert Pattinson’s The Batman, that take was a big stinker. Don’t worry though, Under The Mayo is still the crowning jewel of having bad takes about Batman Arkham Knight lol
You just might have won the award for the worst take ever on YT.
I graciously accept this honor! Thank you I look forward to producing more content that challenges and engages an audience!
Specifically what did I say in this video that triggers you other than the 1st 3 seconds?
@HeroCourseDropOut the shows you said are bad aren't bad your just WAY to nostalgic for when you where younger and the reaves batman movie was not a dumpster fire it wss great and there are plenty of dark batman movies including animation your acting like all the other batman shows where like a covkomelon video
haha my guy i love your comment! you made me laugh with the cocomelon line. I ADMIT i am very biased but i truly don't like those shows brave and the bold had some hitters but because of the nature of the brave and the bold i dont give it as much shit as the other 2
@HeroCourseDropOut eveb btas was childish some times like that Christmas episode where ethe joker hade a giant santa and other big gadgets and stuff like that
It sucks. Batman isn’t even the main character in the show.
Thing that pissed me off the most was when Nocturna literally gets no comeupance for her crimes
All three of those batman show are good
I disagree of those 3 the brave and the bold is the only one I can even watch a little bit of
@EiraGoodfellow When beyond premiered i was 16 and didn't know what to expect with the show so i didn't know what to think. also at that time in my life i was living in Germany on a military base the show was brought over but the ONE American channel that shows all the english cartoons doesn't show commercials so there wasn't anything to get me excited about it other than advertisements isn magazines and comics i ran into the same issue for the 1at season of Teen Titans I moved back to the states in 2004 so i was able to seecommercials and whatnot. i love beyond i think that beyond was such a great expansion of the the batman myhos/legacy Terry is a lot more nuanced than bruce, and the episode of justice league that reveals him to be the biological child of bruce wayne was incredible. Terry also had a pretty cool rogue's gallery too line Inque and Derek powers had such a cool visual aesthetic!
@@EiraGoodfellow army or airforce?
Fax
@@HeroCourseDropOutthe Batman is very good and brave and bold is very good and beware the Batman is very good
The show sucks. Batman is barely in it. WB was right to pass on it. Shame on Bruce Timm for being involved in this.
I excpect no less from Bruce Timm. Everything he touches turns to garbage.
But if they made a show called "Batfreak" and it was about Batman getting freaky with each of his rogues gallery?
That would be a wierd show ill give it 3 episodes to impress me!
Fantastic rage bait 👏
Is it really though? Is expressing opinion instantly considered rage bait?
@@HeroCourseDropOutI guess for many people since the shows you said were trash are objectively not trash, but at the end of the day it is your opinion, hopefully this new show is good tho
I disagree on everything except the part about Bruce Timm not being very good at storytelling without Paul Dini
Thats ok! Thanks for watching
Ed brubaker is the showrunner, so i have faith.
I didnt know this! That gives me alot of hope!
I have a feeling its gonna be cool. It wont hit like BTAS, but i think it will be a cool addition to the BatVerse, just like the 2004 The Batman was! (my opinion of course. That show was fresh and fun, and had awesome art direction due to Jeff Matsuda, comic book OG. That Joker was dope!)
Appreciate your take bro
i feel like the Batman joker is the type to hold onto the blun too long lol thanks for watching, and i appreciate hearing your opinion. I'm gonnna be the day one iskeptical but still ready for august!
J.j. involvment is the touch of death for any series
I’m not hating your opinion or anything. But I’m interested why you think The Batman is bad?
Reno ramano who i live in everything I hate him as batman/bruce. I don't like the changes to rogue gallery like clayface. I hate that Batgirl came before Robin I understand the Robin mandate was in effect but that sucks. Ellen Yin just dissapears no resolution to her character. I'm really not of the fan of the art direction in general the animation looks good but the art style puts me off. And lastly the final seasons world tour of guest appearances. They knew it was the final season and threw every cameo they could. The over feel of the show was too lighthearted that works for superman not for batman unless you're going ALL the way campy like brave and the bold.
@@HeroCourseDropOutI think he means The Batman the movie? At least that’s what I’m curious about lol, ignore me if I’m wrong
@@mikaelta1911 you’re right
@@HeroCourseDropOut thank you, and I agree with most of what you said about that show. But I’m talking about the movie
HAHA OMG WE NEED NEW TITLES!!!!
Bro what ???
The Batman was dumpster fire???!!!!
That’s one of the best superhero movies to come out in the past decade
Yep. You were right. It DOES suck. Bad.
I, too, am scared of Matt Reeves and JJ Abrams' names being on the cover, but I still have hope for this. I don't expect it to be as good as the original, but I believe it still has potential. I do love how it's actually focusing on his detective skills more than other iterations have been doing recently. As long as it's better than that one certain comic line _(cough cough, Scott Snyder's Court of Owls, cough cough)_ then I'm cool with it!
Your takes are terrible
Thanks! Hey if you can enjoy those other shows great I personally can't.
I understand that you're nervous, but as a massive fan of Batman: The Animated Series, I'm going to give this show a chance because it's going to be different, and I trust JJ Abrams.
I'm still definitely going to be there on day 1 ready to watch I just won't jump in there with the same expectations I had for other shows in the batman line up im going to keep them tempered and hopefully it blows me away!
@@HeroCourseDropOut We shall see.
@@928studiosinc06do you really trust jj ábrams?
@@928studiosinc06 I've never seen the sentence "I trust JJ Abrams" before
@@kev_7731 its fine to trust him, his "mostly" good film usually have someone to restrict him in writing, but when he let loose, and have full freedom then yeah we should be nervous but this time we have matt reeves, bruce tim to watch over his ass, he wont have much impact.
I theorize (BATMAN: CAPED CRUSADER) cartoon show, might be about a variant of Batman, and show his beginnings then to the present days.
@@briandaleske5139 that could be dope
Now you seem like a really chill and likeable person, but I just can’t get behind your opinions on Matt reeves “The Batman” and the show “The Batman”. As for the movie, I believe you misunderstood the themes of it due to the replies I’ve read on other comments. I do agree that Bruce Timm without Paul Dini is a little worrisome but I still have faith
so i've actually watched the movie again after dropping this video and i tried to have a more open mind but it took me 3 days to finish. i fell asleep twice watching it. all my critiques of the film remain somewhat the same, but i have to add one more i think the movie is flat out boring, it doesn't engage me the way a film should, and Matt Reeves is PIVOTAL to the planet of the apes reboot and those films are so thought provoking, i dont know why his sensibilities didn't translate to batman imo. I really wanted to give it another chance that maybe in 2019 when i saw it i wasn't in the right headspace, but i was genuinely excited to see it then but left my theater supremely underwhelmed. there are some good things about it Colin farrel's penguin, zoe kravitz' body language shifts effortlessly when she's catwoman i think she is the standout in the film. but overall i think the film is a 6/10.
@@HeroCourseDropOut I can see how some parts are boring, I think a lot of people went into the theater thinking it would a HIGHLY action packed movie
Ignoring the justice league cartoons or the great animated Batman movies screams spiteful oldhead lmao
“grrr last time Batman wasn’t disappointing was 1992 😡” 😂
Justice league isn't a batman cartoon and falls with the continuity of batman tas and this was about batman tv shows, ongoing series not animated features you missed the point. And 1/2 those batman animated films are Robin movies where robins a little dick who doesn't know how to listen.
Sounds more like your over hyping Batman TAS and dont want to admit or projects can be good The Batman, Brave and the Bold, and Beware the batman were all good shows you just need to stop holding this standard that the show should surpass the old one
TAS is the bar none of those other shows raised it i dislike beware and the batman. Brave and the bold had moments but was not consistent enough also BTB was supposed to be campy like Adam west batman, that versionbon batman isn't high on my priority list. I don't need caped Crusader to surpass TAS I just need it to actually be worth my time. I really want this show to do well because at least based off the trailer its the style of batman I resonate with. But I thought that about beware and was very let down
@@HeroCourseDropOutimagine thinking the only time Batman was good was Batman the animated series that a garbage take what about beware the Batman & Batman brave and bold and the Batman their great shows
Abrams butchered Star Wars
I'm not even really a star wars fan but even I know his take on Star Wars was terrible
@@HeroCourseDropOut Very much so
I don't understand the rage in the comments section. It's a fairly safe take in my opinion. Yeah it might or might not suck and we have to manage our expectations.
i expressed an opinion on the internet this was always going to go down like this. but that's ok i opened up a discussion which was the point. of my video people can be angry with me i'm going to express my point and move on this channel is about having discussions and at least on my mind i will try and respond positively.
Can wait for this show
ALMOST TIME!
Nothing annoys me more than a batman fanboy who's too biased towards BTAS and can't except a different batman adaptation.
The batman & Batman the brave and the bold couldn't be more valid takes on the character.
I'm willing to accept good adaptions of batman. I don't consider those as good adaption. Brave & bold has some decent episodes but its not what I like about batman. And I just outright don't like the batman. I don't like the way it looks, sounds, or the changes it made to the mythos.
@@HeroCourseDropOut IMO it making changes is a good thing. It can't just be BTAS 2.0 and honestly I think The Batman does some things better then BTAS. it handled Robin, Batgirl, Catwoman, and Alfred far better then BTAS.
What type of batman stories do u like because it only seams like u only like dark batman stories when originally batman was light hearted and fun
@@loggieboy9921 i prefer the more serious stuff the batman who creates omac protocols they guy who has his finger on the button. The camp stuff doesn't appeal to me as much not from batman I love that stuff for the flash though I feel like it fits Barry or wally better
Its weird cause Battinson is the only batman that even comes close to acting like BTAS batman
There's a bruce aspect in btas that the batman neglected. There's no character study of bruce. He's in costume 95% of the film. Batman lacks depth imo in this movie.
I mean, one could say that about any new thing that hasn’t come out yet. I’m just thankful we’re gotten a new X-men, now Batman, and if we’re lucky a new Spider-Man series all in one year. Comic book animation is finally Back😄!
Spider-man freshman year supposedly comes to disney+ in November wish granted! I made an 8 minute video about it. Its on the channel if you're interested.
The new show is garbage
Batman the animated series created the standard for what a good Batman cartoon adaptation could be. Nothing that came after had the cultural impact that BTAS had. I'm not surprised to see this show coming out just after the success of X-Men 97. They are reproducing the look in an attempt to draw in an audience that is nostalgic for the original. Will it have any of the qualities that made the first season a success? That remains to be seen. Based off of everything that has been produced in the past decade, I doubt it.
Excellent expression of your opinion and I'm glad someone made a video about it.
Thank you good brother!💯💯😁😁😎😎
I'm glad someone gets it!
The art styles really aren't that similar it's more like archer wall the animated series has a unique style this art style isn't bad tho it's still good
I agree on some points. Nothing hit for me other than BTAS and Beyond. I do however look forward to this show. Thanks for your opinion, don’t bother with the haters!
I actually love The Batmans artstyle, im a sucker for that edgy 00s style of western cartoon mimicking anime while still being distinctly western unlike say Castlevania and i actually love the unique character designs the show had. I actually miss that timeperiod of cartoons completely reworking characters to where they look unrecognizable from how they appear in the comics and the new superman show almost a throwback to that era
The batman has a unique look its endearing but its story telling didnt resonate w/me
@@HeroCourseDropOut Its a very "00s" era take on batman if that makes sense. Maybe its just me be nostalgic for the time period but it clicks with me in that sense
Oh I get i grew up on btas so I see that art style and im 8 years old again
I don't really agree with a lot of your takes, but I can respect them because you presented them in a very concise, well structured way. I do hope your wrong, and that the show slaps, but either way, good job on the video.
that's ok thank you for your feedback i really appreciate it, TBH i hope im dead ass wrong so i can make a video saying i was dead ass wrong and this show is awesome!
It does
At least? somebody with outlooks on Reeves's batman simular to mine. Also agree on the things said in the video. Keep it up.
This is exactly what I feel too. Thanks for saying it, especially about the RobPatBat
I speak my personal opinion ms freely here! Dumpster fire of a film.
I have watched your video in it’s entirety. I have heard your concerns. And I have to say I find some of your arguments…nitpicky. First, let’s get this out of the way, those shows you don’t like are still well liked as BTAS, not perfect but good in their own rights, I’m not surprised people jumped the gun. Second, complaining about where it is, hey ya know what else I can watch in prime that I probably can’t on max? BTAS, I won’t say that it couldn’t have worked in the lineup they have, but as someone with no max subscription I take the w. You do make some good points though, I have hope for the story telling but we don’t know yet, and yes, BTAS left a huge shadow. Honestly I’m hopeful, no matter where it is.
On something unrelated, max did make a Batman podcast not too long ago, if you’re curious check it out.
It not being on max is just strange to me im more trying to make a connection that max didn't want the project because of a quality issue. I saw that podcast yesterday I was thinking about giving it a listen while I was at work. I know people love the other shows the batman and brave ran for like 4 and 3 seasons respectively so I know they were successful they just weren't my thing .
@@HeroCourseDropOut well Warner bros are a little more friendly with there content as opposed to say Disney. Most of there superhero movies can be found on Netflix
Bro insulted The Batman (2004) what a fool….
I actually love the rest of the batman show i believe the majority of them have aspects of them understand batman and tell good stories. But i think the caped crusader is going to be bad. Frankly im soo tired of "batmans origins or early years of batman". The year one movie and the animated series told these stories good enough. Id prefer if they adapted the newer stories or atleast stories and characters from the 90s 2000s and modern era. The batman mythos has several profitable characters. Red hood, damien wayne, professor pyg, hush, the court of owls. While these characters have had their chance the animated movies but they deserve the longevity and notability of tv. And while young justice was good they weren't given the focuses they could have. And frankly i think the animation in the trailers look cheap. But thats probably related to the management at warners bros
Thats what i thought Beware the batman was gonna give me but it was a letdown
have they done a court of Owls movie yet?
@@HeroCourseDropOut they did the court of owls in Batman vs Robin it was one of the direct to DVD films
Nah this one looks good tho. I’m ready for it.
i'll be there day one too like i said in the video i hope this show is great
I didn't know that Abrams was here
Now im worried 😅
thats part of my general worry about the show.
Batman 2004 and Batman: Brave and the Bold are some of the best Batman shows ever, what are you on about?? 😒🤷
Don't like 'em period
“The Batman” was actually pretty good in my opinion.
It wasn't for me personally but it ran for like like 4 or 5 seasons so it must have done well to some degree
or do we mean the movie? its getting hard to differentiate
Let's wait until it actually arrives to pass judgment. Far too many people judge a product before it's finished and public, often with very toxic opinions that are unfounded and nitpicky.
Batman: Caped Crusader is taking on new ideas and concepts while also giving hat nastolgic art style for BTAS fans. (Also, Pattinson had a OKAY preformance. Stop hating 😂)
I rewatched that movie because of comments like this it took 3 days that shit put me to sleep good movies dont put you to sleep
"Abrams revitalized Star Trek"?
No.
Um yes 3 films came out 2 of which he directed and since that a plethora of additional series have come out but only after the 3 films brought audiences back
The 2009 film is responsible for the resurgence in Star Trek and the films and television shows that followed. They all were terrible but, yeah Abrams' film was responsible. 🤷♂
To everyone who has left a comment thank you this is a really small youtube channel so the engagment from everyone is really appreciated, and i knew when i made this video people would probably be a little upset by it but for the most part the comment section has been amazing i love how passionate you guys are about Batman and i'm happy that this many people are excited about the new show, I will have tempered my expectations but i will be watching Day one like all of you guys. i want to thank everyone who watched the video even though you knew going in you probably wouldn't like my HOT TAKE.
U are absolutely wrong.
Batman Beyond is great, The Batman show is great, The Batman movie is great Brave and the bold is and he has tones are great animated movies.
Caped crusader looks amazing
I said I enjoyed beyond. And brave had some decent episodes but as a whole I dont like brave and its my opinion you have yours and thats cool
Scarecrow isn’t in the series I think you mean gentleman ghost
You are correct I hadnt completely read the cast list when I recorded that segment
Beware the batman maybe, but youre saying that the batman 2004 and brave and the bold are bad? VERY hot take
I did not enjoy any of the batman, too many changes to lore, ugly art direction, and great voice actors not fitting their roles Reno ramano is so good but he's awful as bruce/batman
BATB has some real bangers but it's too lighthearted its too much like Adam West 66 series. Its just not what I want from a batman show. It was off putting.
@@HeroCourseDropOut For me that show is almost on the same level as btas both quality and nostalgia
@@milosbatmanvideos i have it on a short list of shows to rewatch to see if it aged better, i havent seen it since it aired. i'm just going off the opinion i had of the show back then.
You have the guy who did the 90s animated show with the guy who gave us the Batman this has no chance at being bad stop it .
Only 1! The better writer isn't back!
we should always give anything or anybody a chance , just like the chance you want others to give you. it's interesting show. i get the problem though.
I will definitely give the show an opportunity but this time I have my expectations in check
@@HeroCourseDropOut i agree man i respect your a opinion and your Chanel have a great day. and it's possible that it might be bad not many animated shows been good lately.
Invincible has been pretty good and i recently got into my adventures with Superman iwasn't expecting to like it but i'm hooked.
@@HeroCourseDropOut i would like a cyberforce animated series my adventures with Superman is not bad but but i'm use to jimmy being a redhead they could have had Steel as part of the main cast if they wanted black character. they could have used Volcana instead of heatwave too BTW. i like Livewire in this series than the DCAU. cyberforce looks interesting and youngblood reboot with no stories from the comics because the comics are not so great but some are.
i recently started my adventures i was shocked by how good it was i binged up to the point where i caught up to season 2 i feel like no one told me how good it is overall
Thinks New Star Wars is shit ✅
Thinks Matt Reeve’s the Batman was also shit ✅
You got a sub bro
tbf the Batman cartoon had good action and art direction, but I understand the issues with it. It personally held me over as a good action cartoon, but it’s no classic. I never liked Brave and Bold
Thanks for the sub the batman cartoon just felt too foreign the way the rogues gallery was handled took a lot of thier bite away i feel like a great batman villian is a dark reflection of Bruce one who shows what would happen if bruce just had "one bad day" i think the villians in the batman don't give me that vibe also i'm not happy with the overall art direction but i think the ANIMATION in that show was nice and fluid.
How is reeve's batman a "dumpster fire of a movie" it made really good numbers and it might be one of the best batman stories ever after the comics and btas. If it's not for you it's totally ok it's your opinion but that does not make it a fact.
i didnt say it to be a fact. this whole video is an opinion piece. Batman has a long and storied film series and there are some truly bad films, The batman for me just doesn't do anything for me, its long drawn out there are too many "connections" that undermine viewer intelligence, or pander to non-batman fans for the sake of being able to wrap the story up as conveniently as possible. I think it's better than either Schumacher film under almost everything else.
@@HeroCourseDropOutbro u do know Selena Kyle has had a connection with falcone for many years way be for the Batman
The guy you showed for clayface im pretty sure isnt clay face idk who it is tho aprently claybface is the one with the red mask and hate
if thats not clayface WTF is it?!?!
@HeroCourseDropOut idk it might be j could be wrong but If the red bandana guy is clay face it's the original clay face who was just a serial killer who'd change how he looked with makeup and costumes
Can you elobrate on why The Batman is a dumpster fire? Besides that I understand your concerns
ok so i have these problems with the film. Starting with Pattison i find his performance STIFF! I loved the physical makeover and how his Bruce Wayne looks perpertually tired but he feels like he's not giving the performance his all he's better than affleck by MILES . Bale is my ideal batman/bruce balance there are scenes in the Dark knight and begins where BRUCE is an outright Tool because bale treats bruce like the mask and batman as the man. And the mask is an outlandish playboy who bathes in restaurant fountains then buys the restaurant when they try and kick him out. Pattinson seems despite himself as bruce and not in a non chalant way. I think the movie is not paced well either which is evident in its nearly 3 hour run time so i found myself bored during certain stretches of the film, I HATE the plot point of Thomas asking for Mob bosses to threaten journalists over Martha's mental health issues. Selina Kyle being related to falcone bothers me these type of connections don't need to be made. to me these kind of alterations to long established characters is a way of talking down to the audience. like we can't have seperate entities I have a similiar problem with the The Amazing Spider-Man films where EVERYTHING is tied to oscorp the lizard, the goblin, electro, EVEN peter's powers. but with peter's powers its even worse since the DNA in the Spiders belongs to richard parker meaning ONLY peter could have become spider-man. These things water down the product! They even found a way to tie the riddler to the wayne's not allowing him to be a stand alone villian.
On the contrary
Animation Batman
Is great
Live action on the the other hand
I think both are in an unfavorable state but since there's no film on the horizon I focused on animation
@@HeroCourseDropOut
Films are a limited form of
Story telling
Comics
Animation
And audio form
Are superior because you can tell
Better stories
So what are u saying the dark knight trilogy and Michael keaton batman movies are trash?
@Choppa773 WHAT?! how did you hear that? bro this is a video about animated batman not live action this comment is absolutely bonkers to me?
If you want my opinion on those movies here you go:
Batman '89 goated started a tradition where i've seen every theatrical batman release just me and my dad.
Returns danny devito IS the penguin in the same way Robert downey Jr. is Tony Stark,
Forever - Jim Carey saves that from being a pretty crap film,
batman and robin - bat nipples say it all
Begins - best batman origin story in live action film except for the way they say Ras al ghul
The Dark knight: The GOLD standard of superhero films.
Rises- better than everyone says it is not as good as the dark knight
The 2 best Batman Films period are Mask of the Phantasm and Batman Beyond Return of the Joker (Return of the joker didn't get a theatrical release tho it's just a damn good movie)
And THE NEW BATMAN ADVENTURES?
i have thoughts and feelings about that show.... but they apply to the larger dcau at large. real quick my take isn't far from others people they cut corners on that show and it's visible but it streamlined the art overall making for easier animation unfortunately the visual appeal of BTAS was one of its greatest strengths it was a tough pill to swallow as a kid. i praised BTAS for not talking down to kids but XTAS and BTAS are both guilty of thinking kids wouldn't notice such drastic changes to art styles, luckily TNBA still maintained high quality story telling. that transition to the "sleeker" art style though became the go to style for the DCAU at large though. its's part of the reason i personally hold teen titans and legion of superhero's in very high regard both shows imo got DC animation to a place where where art direction really felt like it mattered. Then the batman came out it left me deflated.
@@HeroCourseDropOut ok, but TNBA had an average storytelling, with Batman behaving like a dick (and literally deserving Grayson's disdain), the Batgirl ship, or how most of the episodes from that sequel lacked the sleekness of the original cartoon. THE BATMAN cartoon was its own thing, not owing anything to the DCAU. THE BRAVE AND THE BOLD was great in that it was a love letter to DC Comics, and both series (along with BATMAN BEYOND) have been the best Batman cartoons ever, next to the 92 one. I can agree on BEWARE THE BATMAN, though, which is, by far, the worst Batman cartoon ever.
I kind of always liked the dissolution of the bruce/dick dynamic. Batman trying to distance himself from the team while simultaneously needing them feels likes a general theme of TNAB. And it carries all the way to the batman beyond return of the joker movie.
The art style really isnt thwt much like the animated series its its more like archer really i think the only reason you think that its the anainted series art style is because of the costume wich is a batsuit ofc theyll look alike but really they dont like that much alike the new one is batmans first ever costume that he hade in hes first appearance but with black gloves instead of the purple ones wnd teh animated one is just a average batsuit he looks like that most times thats what he wore in the brave and the bold aswell
it's that gothic deco that was really prominent in the late 20's early 30's that makes me think the 2 shows are alike
@@HeroCourseDropOut that's just dumb btas hade buildings that don't look like they could work in real life this has pretty normal buildings and also batman was created on the 30s wich is also where this show takes place so that's why it has that's style
@@Pat12379 i know that man but itsthe combination of it all it looks old but looks new at the same time which is what BTAS was going for theyare on the same wave length similiar enough at a glance. but that now what worries me about the show tbh. its just similiar.
Worst take ever
Thanks for watching
@@HeroCourseDropOutthis is such a bad take animated batman doesn’t suck
@@HeroCourseDropOutBatman long Halloween is a good movie
Why thye ain't just do a WW show😩
If i'm being honest i want a FLASH cartoon series over batman, superman, or wonder woman
It not being on prime is better tha max because max isnt in alot of countries
true but most streaming services that aren't available internationally usually get shows like this through other methods distribution like another streaming platform of terestial television deal
@HeroCourseDropOut yeah hut usually it's some random Bullshit one most people don't have
You thought The Batman was bad? Oof bro.
didnt like the art, the voice acting and i love reno ramano in most things,, didnt like alot of the storylines or weired alterations to some of the rogues gallery, joker more likely to pass you a blunt than hurt you. and i'm still mad about the whole clayface situation
@@HeroCourseDropOut To clarify talking about the movie not the TV show. That's my bad.
Oohmf the is the 2nd time I've made that mistake. we need more titles! So after making this video and seeing people responses I went back and rewatched it... it took me 3 days I kept following asleep the movie actually bores me... the film has stakes but they feel almost meaningless and I dislike things like the riddler having personal a personal vendetta against the waynes, Thomas Wayne beholden to the mob and catwoman being related to Moroni, its like in the amazing spider-man series everything is OSCORP. Why do film makers TREAT fans like we can't understand characters as being unconnected with thier own motives
Then don’t watch at all n yes your opinion only matters to you but again dont watch it enjoy being a hater but much love of putting a video together n editing skills ❤
Not trying to hate i want this to be the show that makes batman animation awesome again
@@HeroCourseDropOut it was always awesome you just not a Batman fan that simple
@@jasxnh0rr0r3 not a fan of those those shows is all
@@HeroCourseDropOut meaning not a fan of Batman cuz u do know there’s multiple different Batman’s in the dc comics shows cartoons anime’s anything u can think of I love Batman n maybe I’m a die hard fan but u just love dark Batman how I see it more like the edgy grungy Batman but honestly again it’s your opinion just don’t watch it or give any reviews on it cuz to most of us Batman fans don’t care 🤷🏿♂️
@@jasxnh0rr0r3 I'm gonna watch im going to put out my take and dicuss news if you don't like my take there are other channels you should watch im ok with that. your gatekeeper mentality is crazy my man. I hope you're not mad about penguin being a lady in this new show.
It's modern day media so chances it will suck are high.
Not high ur forgetting this comes from the same stream service that gave us comicbook shows like the boys and invincible
i'm still gonna be there day one watching, im going to give it a fair shot
Tf are you saying dude 😂😂... The animated Batman films are the only good and accurate representations we have about Batman compared to the live action films... Some of them are great but lack comic Accuracy and they don't always encapsulate Batman's and Bruce Wayne's character properly
The Batman movie was good but Bruce Wayne's portrayal was honestly very very sh***ty
And j don't understand how you feel happy about yourself saying this when these animated shows are some of the best rated shows you can find anywhere 😂😂😂... Dude just because you don't like something doesn't always mean it's bad... Especially if it's reviews and global ratings say otherwise... Just relax bro
I feel happy about it because that is my opinion, it is my opinion that 2 of 3 of those shows are bad and one is just meh! that sucks to me. when Batman TAS, Superman TAS, both justice league shows batman beyond, static shock, teen titans SHIT EVEN the ZETA PROJECT, make all 3 of those show looks terrible! and they all tell much better stories. SOME of the animated movies are awesome but there are way too many i can't even keep track of the one's I've seen except Red hood always sticks out though.
this has to be rage bait
i promise you i'm not looking for rage