Why I Don't Like Bruce Lee
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- čas přidán 30. 05. 2024
- Bruce Lee was a Chinese American martial artist, actor, and filmmaker who is widely regarded as one of the most influential martial artists of all time. He is best known for his roles in classic martial arts films such as "Enter the Dragon" and "Way of the Dragon," as well as for his contributions to the development of the martial art of Jeet Kune Do.
Lee was born in San Francisco in 1940, but was raised in Hong Kong. He began studying martial arts at a young age and became proficient in a number of styles, including wing chun, karate, and judo. In the 1960s, he developed Jeet Kune Do, a hybrid martial art that incorporated techniques and philosophies from various martial arts styles, including wing chun, fencing, and western boxing.
Lee's career as an actor and martial artist took off in the 1970s, and he quickly became a major international star. In addition to his film roles, he also wrote several books on martial arts and philosophy, and was known for his innovative and influential approach to training and fighting.
Lee died unexpectedly in 1973 at the age of 32, but his legacy as a martial artist and cultural icon has continued to grow in the years since his death.
Legitimate question:
Why don't you like Bruce Lee's teaching, history and views questioned?
His legacy is undeniable, but why do many of you take personal attack to the very man who's ideals were to question everything; his own views included?
I post for the same reasons all of you do, to stir thought.
Countless of you post the same content, year after year, existing in an echo chamber of idolatry and worship; but why then is this forum filled with harsh critics to those who post their content in hopes to do exactly what Lee wanted... to reach their limitless potential
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If you all use Lee's image, teaching, legacy to promote your views, what is your objection to when someone like myself, critiques?
Come up with an answer outside of the reason on HOW I bring the topic up and see if you can articulate WHAT is wrong with my challenging views.
I welcome all of your comments.
You hate bruce lee because he was the best rank higher than all you and your white fighters !!
A lot of Wing Chun people seem to hate Bruce Lee. There's lots of Bruce Lee haters from Wing Chun circle. Perhaps they envy him for being the most famous Wing Chun practitioner but didn't learn the whole Wing Chun system. Perhaps they envy him for creating his own system of martial arts. In any case, thise same haters keep mentioning the most famous martial artist of all time, the GOAT, in order to get attention for themselves. End of story. Who cares? Stop mentioning Bruce Lee; keep it to yourself. 99% of those out there don't agree with you haters anyway.
Bruce is the best what ever you say man you cannot win against me I learn Bruce martial arts and it protected me on bad guys and bully they cannot hit me your wing Chun is only part of Bruce Lee
Do you still feel this way? I ask this because you are assuming in this video is that most of us believe Bruce straight up. 1 every single type of martial arts has limitations. So yes 100% wing chug has limitations. Not knowing this shows even more limitations. Bruce lee had limitations I do you do. Bruce lee was about honestly expressing 1s self.
@@Nazyairsengikar bruce lee said in a tournament he might lose of cause against too rank ufc fighters he will lose it don't matter what skin color he fight I understand that but in a street fighting kicking the balls with fast hard kicks, scratching eyes , punching or kicking throat ,I believe bruce can get it off because his speed and he learn more than wing chun ,he box,judo, jjustuo, wrestler and had the fastest hands and feet known to man and he had great defense him at 165 which was highest weight can get it off only in the street not ring with rules when he was alive white people was on his hill now dissing the dead man I while he diss his chinese culture and fighting system around white people so that's what he get he married a white woman I sure she spend his money on white people that's his lose now y'all white people dissing him the only vway a different race cool with white people if they can make money or get something from them if not they just nothing life right!!
Bruce Lee said “For it is easy to criticize and break down the spirit of others, but to know yourself takes a lifetime.”
He criticised literally every other martial artist that crossed his mind cos Bruce had a huge ego
@@stevebb2915 like you had a big Ego
Because a Gweilo like you can't do anything about the Greatest achievements of Bruce Lee
@@wickz4725 are you actually gonna cry? He was a total fame hungry clown.
@@stevebb2915 like you Clown with no attention
Little Gweilo Jr gonna Cry?
@@wickz4725 shit comeback
This guy isn't anti Bruce he's pro Wing Chun That's all. He doesn't mean any harm he just loves his art form.
Bruce followed an amazing concept. He learned Wing Chun for a few years, found what he liked and what he didn't. He applied those qualities to form his own fighting style. That is what every fighter should do, rather than learning a strict form of one martial arts, why not incorporate and fuse together a mix of different fight styles to better yourself as a fighter. That's why people adore Bruce. The power of Muay Thai, the rigid power of karate, the fluidity of Wing Chun and etc. Combined together as JKD because it turned out as an amazing result.
You say Wing Chun has no limitations. But the thing is, it does have limitations.
If Wing Chun incorporates high kicks, then it's no longer Wing Chun. It becomes a different variant. If I drop a V8 engine on a damn Prius, it's no longer a fucking Prius. It's a damn variant, a branch, something that has separated itself from the original stalk. It's not the same. Don't try to criticize Bruce Lee because he decided not to learn Wing Chun because individually, he didn't find it effective enough for him. To each his own. That is what Bruce taught. Apply what can strengthen you and get rid of what makes you struggle.
We as human beings have limitations. A 6'4 body builder is not going to have the same fluidity, flexibility and flow of a master Wing Chun practitioner, so he may take up Muay Thai. Muay Thai demands for swift, strong and precise execution, something a bigger and stronger being may be able to compensate. Vice versa with a smaller 5'2 man. He might not be big enough to deliver the same hard knocking Muay Thai elbows that the 6'4 guy could, but maybe his body allows him to be more fluid with Wing Chun, so he'll take up Wing Chun.
To each his own and that's apparently something you can't understand.
You use the fact that Bruce just didn't find appeal in Wing Chun as your argument to not like his philsophy. But honestly, what was really wrong with his philosophy?
Humans are like computers. Chances are, I can build an amazing computer fit for my desire rather than buy a computer that I like but simply don't love.
We can build ourselves as better fighters by taking in what's effective FOR US and expelling what isn't.
You are too concerned with labels. Wing Chun can be practices as a philosophy instead of a rigid system. Even JKD is a philosophy and should not be a system.
you could have just changed the title to something more like" things i just dont agree on with bruce lee".. it seems like you're trying to bash him, while saving face.. kind of like patting a grown man on the head while congratulating him, it comes off as disrespect.. thats why bruce lee followers are ranting, you're taking petty shots at a deceased icon, let the man rest in peace and continue to learn as he would want you to.. i dont mean any disrespect but this is only my opinion..
well said
David D Perfect analysis mate. I'm sure Bruce Lee would be able to admit that he was not an all powerful super martial artist. He was a student and a teacher and would of laughed at the arrogance shown in this guy's tunnel vision view's
David D and don't forget setting up a little click bait for his channel to be honest, right? pffft! Well said.
haters gona hate lol
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Who cares about his teaching/fighting style or philosophies or any of that . Bruce Lee wasn't all about wing chun, he was about FIGHTING . And he perfected the art of FIGHTING. The guy was phenomenal and was faster and stronger than anyone out there. Remember he even said it. " The best fighting style, is to have no style"
HomasterX He died due to an Allergic Reaction to medicine. Look shit up sometime.
Bullshit,,Bruce Lee was an actor,not a fighter,,
I also don't like Bruce Lee.
I hate that thing about woooo...waaaa,wataaa.
Real fighters don't do that,you hear something like psh psh psh when they punch for example.
Making those monkey sounds in fights only make people look insane and stupid,i'm sorry for all Bruce fans but it's reality.
I am more of Van Damme and i still don't like his aaaaaa...it's still goofy and he should never do it.
But in my opinion Van Damme is much better than Bruce.
No , i don't agree, Lee doesn't Have form, looks likes poor amateur without form. This Is Bruce Lee biggest failure Martial artist ever. Japan Wins in Real life. Lee was ONLY actor And whole world loves him this Is stupid!!
@@nunosantos00 wooo watttaaaaauuuu is in films dummy. He doesn’t scream in a real fight. Watch long beach tournament. He says you don’t go waaaa but you can go hoy! And shouting “hoy!” is showing you are using power, you squeze your hand as soon as you punch. Martial artists can also shout like heist! Or hus! In karate. Those all are normal when you use your power.
It doesn't matter if Bruce Lee could teach wing chun the right way or not. He is or was I should say the most talented martial artist that most of us have ever witnessed. You can't take anything away from him because according to you he was " too young" when he started learning the arts and then didn't proceed learning with the master IP Man. Bruce created his own style and with his talents, there was no rival. Michael Jordan never learned under Dr. James Naismith or Red Aurebach, yet he stood above all with his skills and talent.
How did you witniss him? He didnt have a single professional fight you prick
@@blueskiesmedia417Bruce had the strength, quickness, balance, accuracy, and statigic technique! Now tell me he couldn't be a world champion!
@@jacobingram8152 He wasnt though. It doesnt matter what you think he could have been.
Bruce Lee was by far the greatest martial artist to ever live. He was faster, and stronger than anyone. He also was a great person with his philosophy. He learned wing chun, fencing, judo, and Chinese boxing. The reason why he made jeet kune do was because he fought a guy using wing chun but it took him too long to beat him using wing chun and that is when bruce lee realized that he needed to create his own, he had to beat his opponents faster, he needed something to defeat his opponent within seconds. That's when he created jeet kune do (the way of the intercepting fist). You fight bruce lee using wing chun and we'll see who wins. RIP to the greatest martial artist to ever live Bruce Lee
Bruce Lee was the greatest fighter ever but couldnt even defeat an aspirin. :D
It’s funny bc your title and articles, you said: “I don’t like Bruce Lee”
And you go on explaining that that’s not what you meant 🤣🤣🤣
"Be like water, my friend."
This video could simply be one line: "I don't like Bruce Lee because I'm an idiot."
What about just "I'm an idiot." haahha
@@hayfahvytsento write it is one thing, to film a video about it, well that is demonstrating ignorance and acting as if it is a virtue.
I quote great people all the time. The best know the pioneers and don't act as if this is some kind of weakness.
Yes i agree, this guy trying to be philospher here…. only cause he wants attention, he wants views, subscrobers and likes ,
Man i listen only one minute and for me is enough
. Jealosy dont have wings and eyes.
Bruce Lee was a german ? Who cares . He was handsome to be a german . But anyway maybe he was .
Bruce Lee is a legend for a good reason . He had charisma, talent, skills , look and he was good human being .
@@uransylejmani7387how to say you didn’t watch the video without saying you didn’t watch the video.
He is envious of Bruce. This is the reason because he doesn't like him so much.
I love bruce lee, he is a icon, an inspiration to me. But everyone has the right to disagree with everything, and this guy has some very good points. Quoting voltaire: ""I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."
That teen grew up to be the most influential martial artists of all time who was thought to be untouchable.
That’s… not what he is arguing here.
bruce lee was challenged, he was a critical thinker and he was a philosopher, every type of martial art has limitations. His whole ethos was that there is no one way, he wasn't saying wing-chun was worse than his own martial art, he was indoctrinated like you. You clearly don't like him because you can't take the constructive criticism he delivered to the martial art
exactly
Wing Chun is a very effective fighting system, but it doesn't stand a chance against a battle-hardened Muay Thai, kickboxer or boxer. Why? Because Wing Chun doesn't even know a hook. Because in Wing Chun you don't have to endure a face hit. Because the goal of Wing Chun is not to knock out the opponent.
@@frankanda9683You tube seriously has to restrict kids or old men like you make comments. I just lost a good set of brain cells reading your comment.
Listen dumb white boy, face punches knock you out but face punches aren't the only way to disable your opponent and plus the risk of failing to knock someone out is high, if you don't have the necessary strength and technique you're gonna get rocked after you lay that punch to the face.
Wing chun is just another fighting technique where skill and science plays most of the parts. If we are comparing combat sports I would say Wrestling, BJJ and Jiujiutsu are way better than boxing, cuz while you throw those weak a$$ hooks on me Imma grab you and throw you to the ground and choke your soul out of you.
Every combat sport has its own advantages and disadvantages, to win a fight it doesn't matter what type of combat you learn it's about how skillful you are in it and the level of mastery.
@@frankanda9683I forgot what form was this but Wing Chun does have hooks. Problem is not a lot of schools know and practice this
If you must promote yourself by trashing the accomplishments of others, then you are ultimately always in competition with them rather than actually expressing yourself.
Preach it
It seems like JKD has turned into exactly what Bruce Lee said not to get locked into. Another style.
Yup
Yup. It’s the ultimate paradox.
Bruce Lee would kick this haters ass.
He actually wouldn't. He was too humble and he wouldn't have wasted his time on someone so insignificant.
***** Not true. He taught people lessons occasionally. there was a famous incident on the set of Enter The Dragon with an extra.
RJTrezise1983 Yeah, maybe he did when he was face to face with anyone who tested him but this guy is just a mouth on the internet. He wouldn't have gone out his way to get this guy. He would have just laughed at his opinions.
***** Maybe, yeah you're probably right. I didn't know Bruce Lee personally so yeah who knows? I do know his teachings however, I studied them pretty seriously for a long time there. Being disrespectful is not negated by saying that you're not trying to be disrespectful. It's like going up to someone and calling them a cunt, but then saying "no offense". That's basically what this tard is doing. PLUS he completely misses the point.
Actually no he wouldn't because he's dead...
“Use only that which works, and take it from any place you can find it.”
- Bruce Lee
Bruce Lee never promoted Wing Chun or any Style in the first place
that alone is making this Video totally invalid. This is just a 'stealth' commercial that backfired in your own worned out face.
I get what you're saying, and I respect that, but I think you missed what Bruce Lee was saying. Lee's whole objective was to be able to end a fight in 30 seconds or less, because he felt that time was being wasted fighting any longer than that. That is why he fell out of love with Wing Chun/Kung Fu, and even his own martial arts--Jeet Kune Do. Lee felt the best way to fight was to experiment with all forms, both eastern and western, and to keep only what truly worked. If it took too long to perform the action then it wasn't something worth using. He had the mentality of keeping things simple and quick. It wasn't a disrespect as so many have taken it. It was his honest opinion of what worked for him. All Lee was doing was trying to evolve and better himself and others through what he learned. Now if someone else took what Bruce Lee was saying and turned it into; "Wing Chun sucks and it's useless," well then that's on them for not really listening to what Lee had to say.
yeah too bad bruce lee was not able to learn muay thai when he was in thailand,
@@JL-tm3rc Your words either divulge your ignorance! 🙄
You say that no one is challenging Bruce...he doesn't get in front of people and fight for points....if he is going to fight, he's going to keep it real.
As much as I hate "he said, she said" rethoric, Willam Chung said that Bruce Lee became a threat to Ip Man's senior students (after only one year of training !), and upon discovering that Bruce Lee was 1/4 german (on his mothers side) these students tried to get Bruce kicked out of the school, and so Ip Man was pressured into relegating Lee's teaching to William Chung and Wong Shun Leung. Now if Bruce Lee could threaten the senior students of an established WC master such as Ip Man in so little time, then one can deduce that 1. Lee's level of commitment to learning was very high, or 2. Bruce was wise beyond his years in order to absorb that much technique ! In any case, age should never be the quantifier of Knowledge as each one's ability to learn varies from person to person even within people of the same age. Yet you seem to want to portray Lee as some kind of punk" know it all" on an ego trip. Like yourself, many have tried to make issue of the fact that Bruce Lee did'nt have any so called "true" combat experience compared to professional fighters such as Joe Lewis or Chuck Norris, and yet these same two have testified to Lee's prowess as a fighter. As for Bruce Lee being the cause of WC having a bad rap is ridiculous considering he incorporated many of it's techniques into JKD. In fact I'd venture to say that many took up WC because of Bruce Lee (maybe even yourself). if Lee somehow dispariaged WC I'm sure it was not what he intended. But even if Bruce some how managed to make WC an outcast among the many M A styles (though I doubt it), who made you, a "gwai lo" (as the chinese refered to caucasians), the sole champion defender of WC's reputation. Heck, the only reason non chinese are taught oriental M A's today is because Bruce chose to break the chain of prejudice that was once placed on him. He was even challenged to desist from teaching non chinese students. "Bruce Lee was an actor, from a family of actors." Sure he was, but he brought realism to the M A cinema only because he was a real martial artist. Sure, I'm a Bruce Lee fan. From way back when he portrayed Kato on the Green Hornet show. And I have, to the best of my abilities endeavered to follow Bruce's Martial Philosophy. But I'm also a realist who happens to know that Lee was not the "be all, end all" of the Martial Way, because he never claimed to be. He merely tried to be the best M A that he could be, and taught us follow suit. "There is nothing new under the heavens" Bruce taught. Go back to the Tao of Jeet Kune Do. Read it for your self. "There's nothing new in what I teach." The last thing he was trying to be was the "guru" you proclaim him to be. For a man who does'nt like Bruce Lee you sure can quote him ! "Take what is useful, discard what is useless, add what is essentially your own." No egotistical self centered guru would ever give that much to the world. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I think I know what yours is founded on, and as such I'll respect it. But I caution you not to belittle yourself in seeking to diminsh a true legend. thank's for you time. RIP Bruce !
this is the best reply here
***** oh yeah!!! 100% with u man!!!
Amen
george a roman i dont normally respond to comments..but urs made my day..i couldnt agree with u more on ur opinion..been a BL fan ever since i could wipe a booger😅..ur comment in this context seems like a punctuation mark on this guy's balless diss..dear mr.izzo..if u r so sure on ur opinion abt WC & JKD, y dont u prove that u can walk ur talk by challenging a certified JKD instructor like tommy carruthers and the others?
Words dont mean much here in youtube unless they are proven literally..
lastly, i have to agree with everyone here..ur take on BL's philosophy is just like "hitting boards that dont hit u back"
Nobody said his movies were Wing Chung. I don't know where you're getting that. Everybody knows he developed his own that's adapted from Wing Chung. Good job making things up to match your opinion.
JKD Adapted from 26 styles. If you're a sponge you get the principles, if your not you get nothing (or little). We should all transform with what we learn as we get older.
this guy wouldn't even be allowed to practice wing chun without bruce opening it up for americans
I'm sure it would have got here some way or another. Bruce Lee didn't create globalization.
AncientBlitzkrieg No, just one of the first to start it.
What? That's not even true. He was just a very small part of it. It started far before him and it's continuing just fine without him. You people overestimate him a lot outside of his physical abilities and martial art knowledge.
Still one of the first...
.. No, no he wasn't. Globalization was happening far before Bruce Lee was even born. One way or another, the martial art would have reached the United States. Be it through the internet, or any other Chinese guy.
Bruce Lee is a legend but since he past away and Izzo is saying negative things about him all I can say to you my friend is....boards don't hit back.
lol
Boards don't hit back ? .....whata bet
Hello master, all my respect !
*WHY DO I LIKE BRUCE LEE ?*
- He didn't complete his study of WC, yeah true but without him, any occidental (Izzo Warrior Academy to) knew WC and all Kung Fu styles beacause he was the first to teach chinese martial art to occidental (americans exactly). And he even fought for this and he won. Lee hated so much discriminations. If he didn't live, you perhaps didn't know WC. He demonstrated some WC techniques (trapping, one inch punch for example) at Garfield Highschool and at a Karate Championship.
- Lot of americans were taller than him but he succeeded to adapt to them. (for teaching and fighting)
- He was the first martial artist that questioned about traditionnal martial art teaching. And he didn't believe styles anymore, he has his own philosophy, and that was true. Which is a shame in unique disciplines is that there is a bit of "this" and a bit of "that": example : in English Boxing : you have good direct punch hits, dodging, good in cardio but you don't have projections, trapping, grappling, keys control, no exploitation of kicking. In Judo : you have good projections, control, trapping but no direct hits, dodging etc. So Lee's Tao of JKD works like that : take and apply all good and usefull of all fighting techniques and reject all bad and useless and use all possibility of your body (like Shaolin, they use all possibility of their body). That inspirated fighting method in MMA. That's true : why do we have to stay in WC even if that's a very effective martial art (and I really love WC) then we can evolve in our way of fighting ?
- His philosophy and spirituality. ("empty your mind...", "be formless, shapeless like water...", "knowing is not enough, you must apply and willing is not enough, you must do", "Be true to yourself, express yourself, have confidence in yourself, do not look at others a model of success to emulate", "If you talk about sport, it is one thing. But when you talk about fighting, and that's the case, then you'd better train each part of your body")
I have so many thing to explain why I love him, but I prefer stop here.
Thanks for reading and good martial continuation ! :)
Hey I need help there's a video called "proof wing chun fails" it didn't bother me but what bother me is the guy said Bruce lee himself dropped wing chun and trash talked it, is it true
miguel abarentos ??? I don't know that ! Can you share the link please ?
KylesoulDT oh no that was a fail I realized that, it isn't true Hawkins cheun who knew Bruce since childhood never mentioned him saying anything abouy wing chun
miguel abarentos
OOH OK ! I understand ! ^^'
KylesoulDT exactly, there would be no 'white guy with a wing chun channel' without Bruce Lee, guy forgets history and where he came from, IMHO
Have you ever seen Bruce kick a heavy bag from a stand still into the ceiling? I'm not upset with you, but do you honestly think you could take a few blows like that? Bruce would kick you through the ceiling bro.
Bruce lee would have definitely kicked him through the ceiling.
@@atrainbrady3208 Typical Americans big mouths. .
If Bruce Lee was alive and saw this title, that's probably what he would do because Bruce Lee had a bad temper.
@@zainday7173 bruce lee definitely would have destroyed this guy.
The original title of this video was "How I rationalize my attitude toward Bruce Lee, rather than admitting that even 40 years after his death he still makes me feel inadequate," but that was too long and just didn't have the same ring to it.
So, what are your feelings about Chuck Norris?
I think he should have went with that title.
The guy never says a hateful thing about Bruce Lee so why so much hate? He pointed out things that Bruce Lees students have said about the guy, a lot of what he said about Bruce was fact.
Man go to sleep he just need rest this guy talking crazy as hell
Your entire statement is based on the fact that Bruce lee limited his mindset to Wing Chun. Well he did not.
He tried out many different martial arts, like fencing and boxing. And from those he took what was useful to him and discarded what was useless. He thought of himself as a martial artist who didn't limit himself to one style.
His entire philosophy was to NOT limit oneself to ONE martial art. So I think you missed his point entirely.
In the beginning of this video you say that you'd like to bring the widest possible range of martial arts to this channel. I like that and Bruce Lee would definitely have liked that.
Might I like to add that he also said he'd lose a fight to the then heavy weight champion of the world -Muhammed Ali-. So he was definitely aware of his own limitations. And was NOT full of himself, like you claim him to be.
As a sidenote, I have never completely understood why Dan Inosanto started a Jeet Kun Do SCHOOL of martial arts.
Because from what I have seen he teaches a FIXED STYLE. Which is entirely against the philosophy of Bruce Lee's JKD.
Probably to just make a living I guess.
I don't know who this loud-mouthed doofus is, nor do I want to.
He makes continual references as to why he "Doesn't like Bruce Lee" when Bruce isn't even around to defend himself, attacking the reputation of a dead man who if he hadn't lived, no American would have even ever heard the term, "Wing Chun" or "Yip Man."
I have to completely agree with "DragonHeart613" on his assessment about this fool simply being deeply resentful of Bruce Lee's accomplishments, in spite of his constant remarks to the contrary. His true intentions were clear from the moment he posted this useless piece of trash, this "honest defender of truth," hoping to get some good press for his own school at the same time. This is the lowest form of human deceit, commonly known as, "One-Upsmanship," tearing down another man's reputation in order to make yourself look bigger or better. No self-respecting master would ever even THINK of making remarks like this for fear of destroying their reputation, if they had one.
Bruce never made his name using basic Wing Chun techniques, and had he done so, his films would have been as pedestrian and boring as all the rest of the typical Kung Fung flicks of his time. He believed in using multiple techniques, and actually studied with three of my friends, Gene LeBell, Bill "Superfoot" Wallace, and Ed Parker, the founder of American Kenpo Karate. Without Bruce's philosophy of "finding your own truth," studying multiple techniques, and his firm belief in full contact, using complete body protection, and "going all out" during tournaments was both unique and revolutionary in the entire world of modern martial arts. Without his groundbreaking methods, their would be no MMA or mixed martial art professional fighting at all.
When I was still studying Shotokan karate with the great Takayuki Kubota in Los Angeles during the sixties, NO ONE EVER FOUGHT USING DIFFERENT TECHNIQUES, until Bruce. In fact, if you even TOUCHED an opponent during a contest, you would first be penalized, then completely disqualified for the second contact (I remember seeing a guy kick an opponent in the head with a perfect round house, knocking him out cold... he lost the match).
Instead of wasting valuable time and energy flapping his big mouth like it was the Word of God, this hypocritical horse's ass should be getting his own shit together rather than criticizing the obvious gifts of a fellow martial artist. The only other martial artist who had a bigger ego than this imbecile was Steven Segal...and look what happened to his career.
Bruce himself said he did not complete his Wing Chun training. with that said he had 5 years of training in wing chun. Bruce started in wing chun at 14 and moved back to the united states at 19. also what you fail to realize is that Bruce believed you should train with full contact. Yip Man tought that sparring was not needed to be a great fighter. which is not true. if you never use what you have learned then you will never be good. and by my own experiences i can tell you that 6 months in boxing will teach you more about fighting than 4 years of Wing Chun also you can go out and see countless videos of legitimate wing chun practitioners getting there ass kicked by boxers, bjj fighters judoka etc etc
i like Bruce he was open in his training methods ,he didnt buy into all thsi chinese "secret killer techniques" rubbish , he tried to evolve as a martial artist and find a truth which is different for everyone , a personal journey to truth , how can you not like that ? Wing chun seems silly to me ,im sure there are great wing chun fighters its just i personally havent seen any
^ truth
helsinki All I know is that he wouldn't be defeated by arrogance and he made his own martial art which had him unmatched at all cases srry Aikido is using ppls force against them right? So why aren't you finding out Steven Seagel would wipe the floor with a imposter
"if you haven't finished Wing Chun, and of course none of us will ever finish Wing Chun, then you are not qualified to talk about it"
This is where I stopped watching
That whole quote is actually wrong because as a fact, Master Ip Man finished training in the arts of Wing Chun during his teen years...........he continued to practice the art til his death but he had already finished the art even before Bruce Lee did.
***** I don't know, didn't make it that far. But I believe Bruce Lee trained Wing Chun under Ip Man from when he was 11 or 12 until he was 18
RikuSenpai Yup, that is a fact.
I believe Bruce Lee stated every martial arts have limitations. And to lock yourself in one style of fighting is senseless because every fighter weather trained or not is different. That is the essence of Jeet Kune Do to take the strength of various style and adapt them to your own. Because fighting in general is unpredictable and you must be ready for anything.
I lasted 2 minutes. You titled it that for the controversy. The old "there is no such thing as bad publicity" stunt. Also, Bruce Lee never had frosted tips.
Bruce Lee was a teenager when he began his Wing Chun training, but he quickly became part of Yip Man's greatest group of fighters. They included Wong Shun Leung, William Cheung, Bruce Lee, Hawkins Cheung, and several other Yip Man students who would frequently test their skills on Hong Kong's rooftops. It's important to note that when Lee settled in Seattle, Washington, he continued his Wing Chun training under Fook Yeung. Bruce was trained by Fook from 1959-1964, which meant that by the age of 24, the Little Dragon had a decade's worth of Wing Chun training. In 1965, his famous fight with Wong Jack Man brought forth Lee's martial arts genius. He began to cultivate his own fighting method which was a combination of Wing Chun Gung Fu, Boxing, and Fencing. He named his fighting system Jeet Kune Do, and 55 years later, it remains the only martial art that incorporates Fencing concepts into its delivery system.
Theonly martial art that does use fencing theories yes, but its also a martial art that has been consistently losing fights for generations.
The hong kong rooftops were kung fu vs kung fu, once those styles stepped out of hong kong they got destroyed
@@mato2677 Nope. Bruce Lee introduced full contact sparring gear at the 1967 Long Beach Internationals, his school in Los Angeles used that gear on a consistent basis, and several of Lee's students (e.g., Richard Bustillo, Larry Hartsell) engaged in point and/or kickboxing matches in the late 60's and early 70's. Shortly after his arrival to Seattle Washington, Bruce used his modified Wing Chun to destroy several challengers before having an epiphany after his famous 1964 fight with Wong Jack Man. Bruce then took 2 years to create JKD and its effectiveness in real life combat situations were exemplified by both Bruce Lee and his talented Oakland/L.A. Chinatown students.
@@pjtheory and thats all straight up bullshit... he never fought.
Chuck norris and joe lewis even said he didnt even do heavy sparring.
Jkd effective? Lol, yeah thats why noones using it and noones ever won anything with jkd..
@@mato2677 You're late to the factual party. In the late 60's, Bruce Lee trained with 4 of the top point fighters (e.g., Chuck Norris, Mike Stone, Joe Lewis, and Louis Delgado) with ALL of the training taking place at Lee's home in Culver City. During that time period, Bruce and several of his students created, demonstrated (e.g., 1967 Long Beach Internationals), and employed full contact sparring gear at Lee's L.A./Chinatown school. Bruce and his students were the ONLY martial artists in the United States to spar in that fashion and in 1998, Chuck Norris reluctantly admitted that sparring with Bruce was part of their training sessions. In a 1969 Black Belt magazine article, Louis Delgado stated that he regularly sparred with Bruce Lee, and that sparring with Lee was a "baffling" experience. In terms of Joe Lewis' claim that he never sparred with Bruce, well...L.A./Chinatown student Howard Jackson told author John Little that Lewis hurt him during a sparring session which resulted in an angry Bruce Lee stepping in for Jackson. According to Jackson, Lewis didn't lay a glove on the Little Dragon. Speaking of Lewis, his JKD training resulted in Lewis winning 10 consecutive point tournaments AND winning the 1st kickboxing match in the United States by knocking out Greg Baines in the 2nd round.
@@pjtheory false. Chuck norris and joe lewis both said bruce didnt do heavy sparring.. go look it up.
You my friend just don't understand the concept of JKD and Bruce Lee's reasons of starting it. It's not a fighting style, it's an idea, a concept, a philosophy. The whole point is not to follow a style, but create your own. A way of fighting that has no limitations where you can absorb all different kinds of techniques. I completely understand Bruce Lee. He may have introduced JKD as a fighting style, but the concept is that you should create your own path, not follow one. This is a philosophy that applies to everything in life.
this should have more thumps up!
Feel free to correct me, but I don't think this guy knows what he's talking about in regard to Bruce Lee. As far as I know, Bruce Lee never called himself a teacher of Wing Chun. Bruce Lee never labeled himself a master of any style, and never truly named his fighting style. He developed Jeet Kune Do which is really only inspired by WIng Chun. Jeet Kune Do is not Wing Chun. Bruce Lee died while still really trying to progress as individual martial artist.
Wing Chun is my favorite Martial Art.
So if you say Ip Man didn't teach real wing chun? fine. If you say Bruce Lee never studied real WIng Chun? fine. Everything else you say in this video is just pointless bullshit. Your reasoning for why you don't like Bruce Lee seems to boil down to "Bruce Lee talked shit about Wing Chun, and he didn't know what he was talking about." You really should have focused on that. Because everything else you say seems to suggest you don't know very much about Bruce Lee. And this ramble is so unfocused, I have no idea what you're trying to say besides "Wing Chun GOOD, Bruce Lee BAD."
I agree. 'Izzo' seems to be trying to make himself famous. I don't really see him doing 'skill demonstration' videos anywhere close to the 'actor' Bruce Lee's.
I wish he would make a hater video about Sifu Wong in the UK. They can throw down for the title of 'real Wingchun'.
[my money is on Sifu Wong]
I only like Wing Chun because it's something I don't suck at, and it's an amazingly useful close striking style. Not calling myself good at it, so I don't "qualify" to argue with this guy, I suppose. I JUST don't think it's very complete... really. it's situational, like Jiu Jitsu. Combine those two, and there's a pretty decent martial arts strategy. "Jiu-Jitsu only"is a good way to get owned in stand up, and "Wing Chun only" is a good way to get owned on the ground. I've seen both of those style used exclusively to great effect in outright fights...by motherfucking grandmasters. I definitely think the average student with a brown belt/whatever WIng chun has for a guy who's almost blackbelt.. is going to get his ass handed to him by anyone with fight experience or any more well rounded style fighter with the same time spent training.
Wow this guy loves the sound of his own voice. More considered deliberation & less pontification.
im probably the only person who read this guys article. the guy just says he doesnt like bruce lee because he says bruce didnt complete his wing chun training.
the fact that JKD is heavily influenced by wing chun doesnt make it any less of a martial art.
but i really think he and a lot of people misinterprets the whole spirit of JKD. its not so much a style but rather making movements in the most efficient way. and no shit there arent many people with bruce lee abilities but he wasnt about teaching everybody to do things exactly like him. he use to say "adapt what is useful, reject what is useless, and add what is ----- specifically your own ------"
you dont like and him thats cool. you gave your opinion but you shouldnt be surprised when people people dont agree with you. and you especially shouldnt just blow off peoples disagreement just to the fact that your title just says you dont like bruce lee. you come off as dismissive and condescending. no wonder so many poeople didnt like this video
Dominick Izzo is a fucking racist. He has had more complaints filed against him as a sworn officer to uphold the law with the Round Lake Illinois Police Department than any other officer in the history of that Department for sexual harassment, excessive use of force and bigotry. This man runs a real life Cobra Kai type Dojo . I could honestly compare him to another Bobby Blythe in which this idiot claims to know everything about Wushu/Wing Chun / Kung Fu however he himself knows very little and admittedly so in one of his videos where one of his fellow officers is standing right beside him as Dominick Izzo is holding up his cell phone reading shit off the internet written by another equally moronic fuck monkey. I will laugh at the day someone knocks this guy's block off his Goddamned shoulders .
***** I wonder why he didn't reply to your comment. He took the time to adequately debate everyone who said anything remotely positive of the way Lee went about his way stating how limited Wing Chun is and how he was in the process of developing his own style but he purposely avoided what you stated in regards to his own bigotry,, excessive force and sexual harassment. No fighting system is perfect, I've seen and faced many fighters who said that or who were taught a so called "superior art" only to have them lying flat on their faces by my "lesser art/technique," if this man believes that his own brand of fighting is so much so superior than Lee's then why don't he go out and put it in books, get his own movie deal and preach how his system disproves Lee's views on Wing Chun. I like the old saying "everyone has a critic, even Jesus" well this guy is the epitome of that saying. He hasn't done anything even remotely close to what Lee has accomplished so it may be possible his own personal "bigotry" leaves him to diss one of the world's greatest Martial Artist ever. Who knows?
No kidding, I even challenged him to a fight. Under the stipulations of most now mma organizations that began under nhb rules. No biting , no eye gouging , no outside weapons. And he must ONLY use his version of Wing Chun in which he claims to know and teach. His response to me was that people like me were a dime a dozen and weren't serious nor worthy opponents. In closing , it is in my opinion after watching a GREAT DEAL of his videos that this man is the Ashida Kim of Wing Chun , you should be smirking and giggling if you know your martial artist wanna be's .
lol, the Ashida Kim of Wing Chun, that's a real line right there.
A real martial artist never completes his or her training. Completion of training for one, does not exist. Because a TRUE martial artist CONSTANTLY trains, day in, day out lives, eats, breathes the Martial Arts. Completion of training is sure NOT defined by a rank belt. That's one concept that Bruce Lee firmly believed in, that rank belts are only good to hold your pants up. Rank wise I myself am a Judan, but although I've studied the Martial Arts for 31 years , I still know that even if I live to see 100 and will have studied the Martial Arts for 96 years , I will never have completed my training. A martial artist never ends their journey...we only exist in a constant expanding world of learning. Something this idiot has yet to grasp.
Your reasons for "disliking" Bruce Lee don't make sense and they are not logical. Watched half of the video and couldn't watch the rest, I feel you don't understand Wing Chun, JKD or Bruce Lee at all.
I really don't pay attention to vidoes like these. He just insulted Bruce by saying I don't like bruce.
Good clickbait title but that’s why people hate it. Should’ve been “why I hate Bruce Lee’s influence on Wing Chun”
Smh you definitely got a lot of views, if that was your goal.
Everybody knows that Bruce Lee never completed his Wing Chun training syllabus even Dan Inosanto admitted it in an interview but what you're saying makes no sense at all because in that case, a lot of martial artists are in the exact same position. Take Karate for instance, it takes about 3 to 4 years of training to become a black belt (Shodan/1st grade/1st dan) so it's obvious that there is still a lot more to learn when you're a Shodan... It is almost limitless and you can get up to being a shichidan or a hachidan if you wanted to. But what does that mean?! Most UFC fighters are either Shodan or Nidan yet they're still the best fighters out there... You're basically saying that these guys are limited about their martial arts knowledge because they didn't complete their syllabus?! Why would it really matter? You're talking about opinions which I respect but you should respect Mr Lee's opinion when he talks about Wing Chun being limited. It's only a matter of opinion really. Maybe he thought the rest of the wing chun system was useless to him and wanted to develop a useful way of fighting. It's only down to opinions and experience. Everyone is different
All I hear in this video is a lot of butthurt. Wing Chun has been demonstrated to not be as effective as so many of it's practitioners pretend it to be. Lee understood that WC was not an all-around effective MA. This guy is upset that WC doesn't get the respect that he thinks it deserves. Let him get out there in the fighting world and show us how his WC has no limitations.
yes...to say WC has been demonstrated to be not as effective ect...is an understatement...every single time a WC man fights any skilled fighter in muaythai, boxing, savate, K1 or MMA...it gets flattened everytime...its even that bad...that in its own huge tournament...the Ip Man cup...not 1 WC fighter in it uses WC..they all use western boxing, muaythai and wrestling sprawls...even WC fighters know its shit
you met the wrong wt people ;) if you think Wing Chun or Ving Chun just watch at Gary Lam's , Wan kam Leung's, Philipp Bayer or other students of Wong Shun Leung. ;) These are amazing trainers.
Marco Braun haha....oh ive met many in my 33 years training/teaching/fighting...never met a decent1 who can fight yet...but by god they can talk about fighting and how theyl poke UFC fighters in the eye and beat them...a WC man of 7 years came my club 6 month ago..(mma club)..and got beat of my beginner of 4 month training, he was outstruck let alone out grappled...but of course..im sure you havelinks to a WC man...any WC man...using WC to beat a skilled fighter....links please or admit your a clueless trappy slappa....(ps..we arnt interest in clips of WC men doing trappy slappy drills or playing sticky finger games..but clips of WC beating a skilled fighter..) will we hold our breath here waiting
You didnt understand anything without wing chun, without shaolin, you wouldnt be fighter. In WC is the knowledge of 1000 years shaolin. You dont understand my posting. Read it first then make your opion, it has nothing to do with wing chun, i say it like wong chung leung it it works just do it and keep it. I only give you names who are talents. It not only fighting it is the philosophi behind as well.
I understand Bruce was no wing chun master, but that doesn’t negated the fact he was a great martial artist with an open mind to incorporate the best technique of each unarmed combat styles.
your title is contradictory because you didn't say a single thing about why you didn't
like Bruce Lee.
Everything you said is on how people take him for, what they think of him.
I was actually around when Bruce was alive and he took on any and all Challengers who doubted his skill and he beat them as well. In fact,I dont recall ever hearing about Bruce ever losing a challenge back then. So you are free to think and voice your opinions on your personal views of Bruce's skill - but it is rather easy to insult a dead man who here is no longer here to defend his honor,his words or his Philosophies and views on either Wing Chun or Jeet kune Do - so whether you wish to admit it or not Bruce was a skilled Master at martial arts and he did physically defeat those who challenged him...so I think that really speaks volumes for the man itself. I also believe that may have been the True Reason he died...he upset and embarrassed a lot of people in his day who thought they were better than him and tried to prove it - and that made him a lot of enemies behind the scenes- But I wont go deep into that Conspiracy theory. surrounding his death. As I'm sure sooner or later people will figure it out for themselves.
swiv2d You are assuming you know Mr. Lee.... of which you do not. Master Lee would be able to adapt his style from his opponent if need be. The reality is that if one were ever to face Master Lee in person as an opposing opponent, They would get their ass handed to them on a silver platter....
swiv2d And you know this... how????
he fought real masters behind closed doors. LMAO was a puss.
Jealousy will get you nowhere.
Bruce Lee abandoned what he thought was useless, and held onto what he thought was useful.
Bruce Lee was essentially what gave birth to MMA. He mixed Wing, Boxing, and other styles. MMA is the most effective style of fighting today. No other martial art or combination of has trumped MMA.
I would have love have had the knowledge and abilities Bruce lee had I thought he was awesome. I respect the fact that we all have our own opinions, either you like him or you don't, I do.
I don't think Lee ever claimed to be the ultimate spokesmen for Wing Chun. In fact he was more concerned with results than pageantry, custom or even one particular style. Secondly, I think you miss the fact the he was one of the biggest contributors to opening public awareness to the martial arts in general. PS nothing personnel, but I think Lee would have gotten more that 2 thousand subscribers. Do first, be great, and then you can criticize other great people. Again nothing personal, but I have never even heard your name or know of any of your accomplishments.
he titled the video the way he did just to get people to click. i like his oxymoron self contradicting statement though. "if you haven't finished wing chun training, and of course you can never finish, then you're not qualified to talk about it" at that exact moment he should have shut up and ended the video.
***** he never completed wing chun.overrated!
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"he never completed wing chun.overrated!"
I didn't know you could ever "complete" any martial art. In fact, once you think you have completed something. You stop growing. Lee never followed that limited philosophy. He believed in continual growth and never believing that you have ever fully completed anything.
How many wing chun fighters have you ever seen in the UFC? Its more of an exercise than a fighting technique as it is simply not effective in real world combat.
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not true, you may disagree/agree with my opinion. whatever, but i personally believe ufc is more of a... how would you say it..... extreme sport, or a sport of some sort.... there are rules and regulations about how to fight (if i remember correctly, ufc stands by the "no back attacks" rule), wing chun is all protection if you know what i mean. compared to other martial arts, your targets are quite different (MT is defense and offense, wing chun targets the pressure points as well as more.... sensitive parts like the crotch).... that's what i believe, i believe muay thai is more useful for sporting appearance and street fights. wing chun is more practical in street fights, practice, and entertainment (like some asian martial arts). wing chun is believed to be more self defense than anything though. i mean, for most martial arts, you need space to fight, wing chun is EXTREME close quarters (can even do in a small 4 people capacity elevator).
other than that, in a street fight, you have to agree, who in america even uses martial art? most people own guns.... so either way, common knowledge, it's useless against a gun..... no questions asked unless you're within arms length from the other guy......
If it was not for bruce lee you wouldent be trying to make money out of martial arts....
This is why I quit training if I wanted to continue me going to a foreign country is a requirement Americans tarnished the martial arts.
"What Wing Chun is this simultaneous attack and defense martial art designed to end a fight as quick as possible with the least amount of energy simply, effectively and devastatingly."
That is a great description.
Wing Chun does have limitations, as does almost all traditional arts. Clearly this man is biased. He took the valuable portion out of wing chun. I've studied JKD/kali, silat, tkd, bjj, and many more. Jkd teaches all ranges of combat. I'm not sure if you've read Bruce books, but he was a martial arts genius. Don't be mad because he left all the fluff out. You should check out inosanto lacoste system of kali for a complete system, or jkd.
Sorry, JKD isn't a martial art, its a concept...and all the concepts Lee stole from Wing Chun. Don't be mad because your master couldn't come up with anything original himself. He was a thief and a gifted salesman. That's about all.
Inosanto is probably the most gifted martial artist in the country. He was Bruces protégé. The lineage from which I studied was Bruce, inosanto, vunak, elders. You can call jkd a martial art or not, it's is still a more complete system than wing chun. I hold a belt in TKD, but recognize that this is only a piece of the puzzle. It would be foolish to limit yourself.
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then why are you vlogging and promoting your self and your opinion? are you a salesman?
thats how art is i can get a punch twist my wrist a little and call it any name i want because its my expression.keep having blind faith to your cult, wing chun will make you the ultimate fighter if you train it for another 400 years.
I'm not selling anything, and this is the very beauty of JKD, you learn theories and principles and make it your own. I don't belong to any "cult" I simply understand self truth and street application. I'm certainly entitled to disagree and I believe most would agree that wing chun is not a full complete system.
Rico Suave Nope. It's not. And tune into www.247thestream.com on Sunday August 3rd, 7pm Central time, where myself and several other MA experts all talk about this very topic.
This guy's thoughts are totally disorganized. 1 second he's criticizing Bruce Lee, then he jumps to Ip Man, & his other students. It almost sounds like he's talking about Bruce Lee being in his 40's, and 50's, but we all know that Lee passed away @ age 32. Then he's talking about Cancer, and how it would have effected him. You have to assume, which I don't like doing, that he must be referring to Ip Man. Ip Man had throat cancer. As for his students looking different, that easy... Does he really think that all of his students should be mirror images of each other. At some point, a teacher becomes an individual, and puts his own spin on techniques that he was taught. I took piano lessons for 6 years, but I sound nothing like piano teacher. Same with my guitar teacher. We all excel at different things, and we all have our preferences as individuals. These differences show up in our style, whether it's music, or martial arts. We're not robots being programmed by our teachers to mirror them. We're individuals, and at some point a student becomes independent of his teacher. Socrates was my favorite, but Plato isn't Socrates clone, and neither was Aristotle. As for Wing Chun having not having long range attacks, why doesn't he talk about 1, or demonstrate one, and it can be something obvious like a kick. Then there's ground fighting... I've never seen a Wing Chun practitioner throw his Wing Chun dummy on the ground, & put it in an arm bar. This is precisely why Lee studied other fighting styles. All styles have their weak points, flaws, or whatever you want to call them. In fact, if you don't understand that, you don't know much about the nature of life, because no one, & nothing is perfect. There are examples of this in nature, society, music, martial arts, etc.
I would agree with you, I did fight as a kid in different styles, and I totally agree, we become our own person, I liked what Bruce said, and I agree with him as a philosopher, and you know he had his own opinion and I totally respect that, I play Music and have been playing since I was 4 years old starting piano, and started at 14 playing guitar, I have my opinions on music, and I guess in point ; its my opinion, I love to hear people say Hendrix was not that good or randy Rhoads, its one thing to say I did not like that style, and another to just beat down a person that is no longer here to challenge you, and also one that became a very popular person by his actions, and that was Bruce he was top notch, and had great ideas.
With all due respect, your logic and arguments are rather flawed. Bruce Lee had extensive training in Wing Chun, how extensive I can't say, but neither can you, you only speculate. Though I have had some training in Jeet Kun Do, Wing Chun, and Kung Fu, I'm by no means an expert, however it is the philosophy of Jeet Kun Do that stands out immediately. Learn as much as you can, take from it what works for you. In other words, it doesn't say "Don't learn Wing Chun", in fact it says "Learn Wing Chun, take from it what works for you; learn Karate, Muay Thai, Panantukan, (insert any other martial art you can find someone to teach you), take from it what works for you... and don't limit yourself."
Bruce didn't develop Jeet Kun Do because he was bored and had nothing else to do, he did it because he felt he was limited by Wing Chun. That was his opinion. He studied other martial techniques and started applying it, along with his philosophy on combat, into a new style. Sure, he had charisma, which translated great onscreen, but it's not what made him the fighter that he was, and I'm sure I don't need to tell anyone the caliber of fighter he was. Also, it wasn't just his strength, though he certainly was strong and always maintained that a strong body = strong mind. There were certainly men then, as now, that are stronger then him, but not better fighters.
Finally, Wing Chun is a great martial art, and I appreciate the fact that you may have to deal with a great deal of misconception about it, however during your entire video, you fail to make a convincing argument on why it would be better then Jeet Kun Do, and only make rather speculative (and ofttimes inaccurate) comments about Bruce himself. I get that you love your Wing Chun, and want to promote it, get other people into it, but please don't try to do it at the expense of another technique or the founder of another technique. I'm sure Dan Inosanto and Walt Missingham would have a rather different opinion to yourself.
Actually Bruce Lee was only versed in the first form and part of the second form of Wing Chun; This was said in an interview with Jesse Glover. He also only trained for a year or two, which in wing chun is baby years. Most sifus will tell you you need way more experience to develop structure and sensitivity needed to become a good martial artist. Bruce Lee may have been a quick and good learner, but he didn't know nearly enough of what he could've learned under Ip Man.
Josue Rivera You're correct, however, Lee didn't just learn in the classroom, he had many street fights in which he constantly had to apply what he had learnt, and consequently the limitations of it.
It is interesting that in Jeet Kun Do, you learn things like knife fighting very early on in the program. This is because what it really teaches you is angles of attack. Not specific stances, but why you need to place your feet a certain way. Move a certain way. That is another thing that really stood out for me in my limited exposure to various martial arts. Jeet Kun Do teaches you the WHY, from the start.... teaches you to think.
Many (not all) other martial arts just teaches you what to do and considers you "too stupid" or "not experienced enough" to try to understand and discuss the why of what you are doing until after you have trained for many a year, or a few decades. That was certainly my experience of Shaolin Ssu Kung Fu (in fact asking why was rather frowned upon LoL).
I'm of the opinion that his limitations were within himself. Obviously I can't speak for the dead, but from my experience, wing chun is only limited by the practitioner.
The wing chun I practice follows those same ideas you described. Its teaching me how to move with what the other person is giving. It becomes the most logical way to move, because anything else seems like an expense of effort.
I always felt that the wing chun I practice and JKD are very very similar.
I think it'd be interesting to touch hands with someone who studies JKD.
Josue Rivera Yes of course, because JKD takes all the good stuff from Wing Chun. Economy of motion, angles of attack, redirection of force etc. It just incorporates those same and many other aspects from other martial arts, such as Jiujitsu (Brazilian and Japanese), Boxing (Western, Filipino, Shaolin, and others), Fencing, Wrestling, and many others. In fact, just as an example, I had the pleasure to do a Shooto seminar with Eric Paulson back in '02 as part of my JKD training.
I think my favorite part of JKD is it's versatility. One of the philosophies is to, if possible, know your opponent, and then engage him in the way he is not comfortable. Eg, if fighting a TWD fighter, get into grappling; a wrestler, try to keep him at range, etc. But always, in the practical application end the fight as quickly as possible, with whatever means possible.
Opinion was right, no facts here.
I respect your opinion. But even you have to admit, the man has done more for martial arts in 32 years than we will ever hope to.
An opinion, and he is entitled. I have studied many styles and always admired the energy Bruce Lee brought to all martial arts. All styles benefited from him and his energy. Be like water; flow through martial arts and be the best you can. You will never be your best by restricting yourself to one style. Go and explore, encourage others to do the same.
A lot of you miss the point of the video, and all your insults and bad behavior are just proving his point.
Sounds very convincing. Hey admit it. U love Bruce Lee Dude. U fall in love too deep. U just didnt realize that U are acting like Him.
The reason Bruce stopped training in wing chun is because he came to the conclusion that wing chun is not practical for the street. Wing chun does not address ground fighting. Therefore, if wing chun was the only style that you knew, you would be at a serious disadvantage in a street fight. If you had bothered to study Bruce's life, I'm sure you would have discovered that on your own.
And you cant possibly ever know the amount of knowledge he had inside his mind. You have nothing to back your Talk. Did you know Bruce? Alot of people have. And all said he was Incredible.
Why this guy *really* doesn't like Bruce Lee: Saying negative things about him gets people's attention.
Probably the best expression of the Tao of Jeet Kune Do. I have a feeling Bruce would approve.
I have to say this is a well thought out video. I'm not a martial artist. I took some classes here and there in Tae Kwon Do, Wing Chun, Karate, but nothing where I learned in depth about the styles forms or discipline. I grew up idolizing men like Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris, Sugar Ray. The legend of Bruce Lee was the focus for many of my friends. But all we had was movies and some books to go by. No other historical knowledge. Like you said, I don't have the knowledge and experience to speak intelligently on any style or even on Bruce Lee. I can say that watching this video brought forth things that are not usually discussed in these back and forth talks about Bruce Lee. Growing up in NYC in some of the toughest neighborhoods, I've seen black belts get the butts handed to them by a kid half their size so putting any one individual in such a high pedestal without knowing the whole story or without the experience in martial arts is deceiving to themselves and others. It was quite the laugh to here some guy WAAAAAAAA one sec then see them knocked out the next. I still like Bruce Lee but Kudos to you for laying it out there and having research to back it up.
You don't like him because you know he was way better then you..he was the best of the best. No one has accomplished to be as strong or as fast as he ever was.
Bash Bruce all you want. He's not here to defend his position. But one thing is certain; Bruce would have kicked your ass and done it quickly.
this guy is bassically what we call a hipster. He will target the bigest name like Bruce Lee to attract the most attention and hype and pretend to debate about it. But really in his head no matter he is going to be right. Its a pointless rant. Hey I would be jelous too if I did 20 years of Wung noodle Chunny and never amounted to the instinctual talent that Bruce Lee had :p
Zach G EyeRonin are you stupid? he never said he could beat bruce and all those things he says are true if you only would start thinking and not arguing without thinking! and again im not saying he wasnt a good martial artist...
Zach G that coment was hilarious dude you are right dude just took a picture of himself in a karate shirt with a photo shopped background
jerppaz z no-matter what, hands down; you don't make a credible point in the martial arts arena by starting out with "Why I don't like Bruce Lee" and expect to be taken seriously. That is idiotic, lol. Thats like being a midget who like to shoot hoop at the park. Then makes a youtube vid talk'n about why Michael Jordan wasn't that good, lol. Yet you ask me if I'M STUPID, lol. C'MON MAN,!!!
EyeRonin "you don't make a credible point in the martial arts arena by starting out with "Why I don't like bruce lee"
so what if he started with that.. watch the whole vid and listen all the things he says are true.
Even though if I personally don't agree with Mr. Izzo on every point, this is a well-thought and intelligent video. What I find disgusting is the comment section, as always. And btw. you shouldn't dislike a video, because you don't agree on the subject matter! Dislike it if it's bad. I feel like over 10.000 people here felt attacked in their world view. Don't be, if you have arguments that prove your point, that's good.
I like Bruce Lee. But I like this video's provocative title too!
Respect from Germany.
" Louis Delgado was the last fighter to beat Chuck Norris in a tournament. Delgado said in a karate magazine in the 60/70's that Bruce was the most difficult guy he ever sparred with and he was in awe of Bruce. " - oot
you talk about people who are qualified to speak about martial arts and then say jeet kun do is a style in the same sentence ......its a philosophy not a style, if it was not for Bruce YOU would not know wing chun, you talk about people saying he was not the real deal the same people who don't teach those who are not pure blood, yet you know wing chun so your point lacks intelligence. Fighting is fighting there are no styles just levels that we must ascend past, don't hate a fighter cause he is better
^^^^^Well put!
" I think deep inside you do like Bruce Lee "
You dislike Bruce Lee because Bruce realized Wing Chun is only looks good in the movies and useless in reality and you haven't realized it yet and still practicing it. 😂
You make some good points and arguments, but the title isn't really that good. You probably should have titled the video "Things about Bruce Lee that I do not agree on" or something like that. The problem is that it sounds like you are about to bash Bruce Lee for 12 minutes when you are actually just being very constructive about your opinion against specific things about him. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, but it is misleading.
A lot of Wing Chun people don't like Bruce Lee. But most of them begin to study the style because of his influence.
DDuMas Because he was not 100% asian. During Lee's era, They did not like to teach martial arts to foreigners, so a lot of them did not like to train with lee. - wiki bruce lee
I'm not sure if his ancestry had much to do with it but I have never looked at him as not being 100% Asian. He was Asian enough to face racism in America.
Eduardo Claudio Yip Man made the exception because of Bruce Lee's dad being a famous celebrity in Hong Kong Opera circuit and movie stardom.
I'm not so sure about that, It seems that the Caucasian society is attempting to gentrify Bruce lee and his legacy. Yip Man would not compromise himself in that way.
Bruce Lee grew to be the legend or Guru for some reason. And I feel very much that you are jealous for what Lee did to Wing Chun commiunity. But it's ok, its human nature to have negative emotions.
Izz (if you don't mind me calling you that) do you think someone can become very good at Wing Chun or JKD after the age of 45? Thanks.
Bruce Lee was a movie ballerina. The shit people say about him is ridiculous. He's the greatest fighter of all time... who never actually fought people. He invented MMA... if we don't count Maeda and countless others who did it before Bruce Lee was even born (including the ancient Greeks lol). He had an amazing workout regimen... that's less demanding than the regimen done by any running back in the NFL. He's super fast... just like very other 135 pound man on the planet. Face it, there's nothing remotely interesting about your actor to actual professional athletes...
***** look at you bitch everywhere . An NFL running back trains harder than that phony actor idol of yours. Ever heard of guys like Earl Campbell? Emmit Smith? those guys are tough and your idol could never beat any of them in a fight. you're so stupid
***** "tip toeing around him" - Really. What was his professional record? LOL
He fought Wong Jack man
You make interesting points, however, you're gripe is with Yip and Bruce Lee's followers.
-If someone teaches you an art that relatively few know; says what you have learned is called "Wing".
-You go off and find that what you have been taught, "Wing", is at time ineffective at certain points and cause fists to swell before opponent was dropped
-You say "Wing" is sometimes ineffective at these points, this is what I've found works, I call it "Fan"
-You die at the ripe age of 32, still developing "Fan" as YOUR OWN VOICE in the art form you have chosen to pursue.
-Someone comes along 40 years later in an age where information is as easy to get as a few keystrokes and learns all of what "Wing" encompasses.
-That someone takes what you say out of context and posts an article/video, labels it that he doesn't like you when really he doesn't like your "Fan" lazy followers who only follow your word as gospel say/do (It almost seems like someone did it to get more views and attract viewership to his channel, but I'll give you benefit of doubt; something that your not doing btw)
Any real follower of Bruce Lee would know that he would be interested in people who didn't care for his "style" but to say you don't like the man? That seems irresponsible to me. What he's done goes far beyond martial arts to ending Asian bigotry to filmmaking to philosophy to personality. I think you believe he had this big ego where I see it as he was an excited individual who was constantly learning and sharing. Now, having said that, tell me your address so I know what door to leave the flaming bag of shit :) jk. Have a good one! Good opinions, slightly misdirected dislike in my humble opinion. Thanks!
martial arts in America would not be what it is today if it wasn't for Bruce Lee. I understand what your saying but I don't agree .
Hello IZZO,
i agree with you 100%, this is my opinion too, and its so hard to explain this to people born in the 70s or 80s. and most of them don't have any MA level, i love kung fu above all other arts, i have a black belt in karate i have another 2 degree in american kenpo and then i trained kung fu for 3 years everyday, i loved Bruce until i trained kung fu and and i really understood what martial arts where all about, and when i explain what you just said to people, then they get mad at me ETC.... now i am having the same issue with MMA people still dont get it... thanks god you do understhand... keep the good work...
So brave, since the person you're attacking can't even respond.
Who cares
@@cooldudeawesome9344 you do
Every MA has it's limitations.
If one was to make a perfect MA fighting style, he had to learn EVERYONE of the styles in existence, and derive a new form from that.
And even that super form, would be limited.
Perfection simply does not exist.
It's really this simple.
It really does't matter whether you like him or not. So much of fight scenes in movies are the way they are because of him. And he can do just as much if not more than he can in a movie. He can fuck you up bad whether you like it or not.
He didn't use Wing Chun he used Mixed Martial Arts he combined every style of fighting he learned into one. Oh and Wing Chun doesn't have range says the guy with the gun or more reach
Bruce lee was a non style based street fighter because he understood the limitations of one style over the art of being formless the fact that you say your a martial artist and dont understand that means you have alot to learn i am 5'7' 135 and anytime you would like to spar please seek me out because its real easy to talk about someone thats dead but i am very much still alive
Bruce Lee said most styles were limited, but he never isolated Wing Chun as an ineffective style. I will agree that any style is only as limited as the practitioner.
***** Have you studied Aikido? You completely missed the point I was making. I remember growing up playing video games with my dad. There was a point he would beat me and I would say, "My controller is not working." We would play another game switching controllers only to have the same result. My father would then say, "The joystick only works as well as its controller."
dOUBT HE WAS LIMITED AT ANYTHING HE ADAPTED AND BEAT chuck ugly unskilledfull NORSE
Dude IP Man trained Bruce Lee... How can you say he doesn't know anything about wing chun, as you said that i went and post this comment, than left.. Btw Bruce Lee was multiple times world champion, and who are you to judge him?
In bruce lees time people were very much under the belief that they had to stick within what they learned in their martial art. They would all argue about whats better. Bruce made it live. Brought real sparring to everyone.
I am impressed, as a taekwondo student and a bruce lee fan I respect every point you made. Especially by the "don't follow the guru" comment. You are right in saying that is important to have your own way of thinking. Not to be programmed to follow the "gospel truth" of other people's supposed beliefs
I don't care what you say. The truth is Bruce Lee would seriously send you flying from one inch. Bruce Lee is something else, an amazing person. R.I.P Bruce Lee. You may be dead, but your legacy will never die.
"I don't care what you say." You have already left the path of wisdom, little boy.
Bruce based his entire philosophy on destroying the concept of 'styles'; you don't like the impact a man who hated styles had on your style...and then to question how developed his mind was.
This video and the logic behind it just blows my mind.
If Bruce was against styles then why did he start JKD? Mind blown yet?
What happened here is that you wrote an article (it may be your opinion), but it gained a lot of negative feedback. You then proceed to make up for it by posting a video explaining your opinion. This is fine. I read the article and I respect your opinion.
I was fine with this, until I saw the video. You quoted, "in the Chinese culture, the guy [Bruce Lee] was a brute."
Brute (n)- An animal or beast.
You obviously know nothing of Chinese culture if you actually believe he was a "brute." This is one of the most racist comments I have ever heard of Bruce Lee. I've heard everything from cheating to staged fights, but this is beyond ridiculous. Bruce Lee's spiritual and mental training greatly outweighed his physical training. Several interviews with him clearly dictate that.
You're right, I have only spent a year with JKD and Wing Chun and I am not certified to speak about that subject. But as someone who has been an Asian American for 21 years, I have more authority on the issue. Its time for you to "sit down and listen." I've had enough of this bigotry.
im not getting in to a debate about rights and wrongs,but i must say i find it strange to see all these people on here saying that they are skilled martial arts guys,and then getting just as worked up,and aggressive like your standard jock you meet at your local pub/bar. A man should be just a little bit harder to provoke then that. :)
You are correct that if one doesn't have the experience their opinion is fairly irrelevant. That being said, I would love to see you step across from Bruce Lee in his prime and see if you're as confident. I have my doubts...
Jeet Kune Do is the style of no of style. Bruce read up books and annotated as we can all do. How did you learn your Wing Chun? From first generation wing Chun masters? Bruce's message was to use what is useful and discard what is not. His own commentary states that his art is forever growing. He applied what he needed from Wing Chun , and Western Boxing, fencing, and etc... To break the traditions of set law and do not limit yourself. You expect people to respect your opinion but not respect his experiences and what he learned and how he used wing chun regardless if he learned the first set or the whole way.
agreed brother!
I'm a fan of Bruce Lee but even i have to admit you have a point. If he completed his training, he would've realized Wing Chun does have long range weapons. The Bruce Lee fan culture has idolized Bruce to the point where they take everything he said and did as the Gospel truth when that's what he did not want. It's shocking that fans namely Bruce Lee fans who practice martial arts can't distinguish between martial arts in films and in real life.
The comment section under the video is absolutely horrendous and I feel Izzo was in every right to call the community out on their stink. It's why I've slowly but surely stopped taking part in forums for martial arts, especially Wing Chun sites. I honestly can't stand anymore the culture or bantering politics because people either take what he says for face value, or they will not admit they have never picked up any books or did legitimate research to see lot of the speculations and doubts can be answered with simple science and a look at history.