SPEAR vs TANK (Build Battles Episode 18) | Destiny 2 Into the Light
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- čas přidán 28. 06. 2024
- In today's Destiny 2 Build Battle episode, we have a Strand, Warlock, Felwinter's Helm finisher build with Buried Bloodline versus a Stronghold, Titan tank build with Lament. Let's see which build completes Legend Onslaught better!
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0:00 Intro
0:36 Felwinter's Helm Build Breakdown
1:31 Felwinter's Helm Build Gameplay
16:47 Felwinter's Helm Build Thoughts
18:06 Stronghold Tank Build Gameplay
32:05 Stronghold Tank Build Thoughts
34:56 The Results
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"I'm physically coming" didn't help 😂😭
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23:30 also 😂
As a Stronghold main on Titan, blocking is only 2/3 of gameplay. You can still attack, and you should so you can get that Restoration buff. Plus, sword kills proc Banner of War. Lament also heals you on swordstrikes, so idealy youre getting constant healing, and also Woven Mail when picking up orbs and breaking tangles.
I feel like someone needs to hold Cross' hand through a stronghold build. It's actually surprising how little he understands about using strongholds with how much he plays and as a titan main
This is why the competition need to evaluate the creator's own run as well see how they run it optimally.
I don't get how he still doesn't understand how the exotic works lol
straight up tanking contest mode Crota and taking 0 damage is still the highlight of my Destiny career
Throw it on stasis titan too! Works wonders when built right
17:18 lol the green light from the strand build screen is triggering the green screen on cross's face
🤣😂
32:06 "This build is not meant to be a high-slaying build". Yes, yes it is Cross. Strongholds just make you not die, Lament and Banner of War handles the slaying part. You just don't understand how to use the Exotic, even after like four build battle submissions featuring it. Block to avoid things like splodey shanks and thrall, otherwise you just block enough to trigger the exotic perk to get restoration. Then you go to town and murder everything, which you can since you are on Strand Titan. When your restoration runs out, block again to get it back.
You CAN use it like you did, as a tank, but then you really need teammates that pull their weight. You CAN stand there and just block the tormentor, or you can time your blocks to its attacks and swing at it yourself while it's not actively attacking you.
Shut up nerd
Ngl it's genuinely infuriating when somebody gives advice on a build they aren't using properly.
9:48 im loving this conversation btw
You ready? You ready?
I mean...
Drifter died over & over for WEEKS (or months, i cant remember...) from starvation because even when he succumbed to it, he revived with the same hunger pains so...
Strong yes?
@@XionsEmpire thats cool and all but i didn’t ask
@@tonysbanned🤫
No because you're blood wouldnt stay rushed in that area
Weirdly enough on the same team these builds would be great together
felwinter/ severence enclosure would go crazy
Cross still needs to work on his sword skills with strongholds but this is much better than last time, actually using a subclass that has synergy with swords and whatnot. A tip for lament when using the charged up attacks is to not move during the attacks otherwise you phase through the enemy.
i presonally like thrown cleaver over layment for strongholds. feel like the ammo is a bit better, and i can save my exotic for something else, for me rat king for some extra survability with invis and more healing, but you could go a more dps option if you want.
@@zferolieit’s also the only sword I believe that has a higher guard then lament
@@gengarclefairy3475 yeah thats right, plus you don't knock enemies around nearly as much and you dont miss as much with throne cleaver.
@@zferolie what roll do you have on your throne cleaver?
@@gengarclefairy3475 Stronghold maxes your sword guard stats anyway though
These ‘fell off’ comments are already boring.
I know right i feel like im being forced fed stale bread when i just want off the table
You might say those comments 'fell off'.
It’s just like the comments that say “first”
That’s just internet culture in general nowadays, people see a joke and just run it into the ground within a week of existing
no one cares. cry about it🥱🤡
Can we get a RIP for all the brave guardians who’ve gone head-to-head and lost? Without them this awesome content wouldn’t happen (RIP Les).
They get unbanned instantly, it’s only for the vid
I mean.... Les kinda deserved to get tossed into the void considering how just slapped together his build was.
The beauty of buried bloodline and felwinters helm is that it can refresh the 30% debuff from felwinters. Many people don't know that the reapplication of weaken extends the strongest weaken effect applied at the time. The only exception to this is Hunter tether, as its 30% weaken effect will be removed after the tether is gone.
Actually with graplling is also very Good choice for felwinter too. You'd never make suspension burst by killing with invocation on shackle. Instead generating threadrings as same as finisher, And make debuff explosion by killing with grappling punch!
That is nice, try it bro.
Also a 24/7 Lament / Sword Titan player: Indeed, Strand combinded with stronghold is incredible! Done all GM's last weekend and I gotta say, if you know how to use a sword properly you'll be tanking a whole room whilst cleaving down any champion in your way. Also great way to revive fallen allies with ease. The only thing that can screw you up is getting grabbed by a tormentor. Protip, Never use all the ammo of your sword, because even with 1 ammo, you could kinda block forever. Happy slashing guardians!
I had so much fun playing this with Cross and les, THANK YOU so much for the carry cross!
I love it when cross finishes every last enemy 😊
1:06 lmao the green from strand on his face is making his face partly invisible
i watch the intro every time… it flows really well
There have been some banger builds lately. Both of these were pretty unique. I may be biased, but I hope the vesper vs. abbient leap build battle gets uploaded.
Dang I was considering submitting my build of both these exotics. Didn’t know there was already a battle done. Vesper has been my favorite on lock for awhile now and abbient leaps with final warning is crazy good.
What do you run with vesper?
@@damazsta depends I have 3 different builds. 2 pve and 1 pvp
@@DarkZoneGhost uhhhh.. I guess the PvP one.
I started using the Void Felwinters build for PvE
Whew glad to see Les
I love seeing the strongholds/lament combo in play. I use that ALL the time to run support tank. Just run around. pull agro, grab res when people drop, pop super when you're bored. SO good
These vids actually got me back on Titan
31:43 Fun fact:
Wormgods caress does increase your sword DMG, you just can't use your sword to stack burning fists.
Since its change at the beginning of the season it also increases your WeaponDMG with each stack you get.
A lot of people forget that.
I like to run a very similar strongholds build using stasis. LOVE IT!
Both of these builds are crazy! As a titan main i need that tank one
That Well was incredible
Both builds after my own heart, a finisher build and a stronghold build.
Gotta say as a Stronghold main I agree with cross though, Strongholds relies a lot on your teammates ability to deal with ads. The gameplay loop of being able to push very aggressively with strongholds is much better in Grandmasters than it is in Onslaught, partially because we still don't have a perfect sword to pair strongholds with for the scenario. We need some kind of aggro drawing exotic sword of some kind, or one that can passively deal damage while guarding, but as of now the vision just isn't 100% there.
see thats the type of build i want in front of me. just follow him with my solar hunter build and just explode everything in front of him with never having to worry xD
Oh, imagine an exotic sword that reflects damage back at enemies while blocking. Give Shriekers a taste of their own medicine outside of Pit of Heresy.
I mean.... Blight ranger exists.... Know it's bad but you could give shriekers that taste of their own medicine.@@Fir7shadow
I think you need to expand your stronghold build game homie. I have a strand and solar stronghold build that is great for add clear. strand build: crafted thin precipice with hatchling/tireless blade/swordmasters guard. Thread of propagation/continuity/warding/generation. triple lucent blades and strand surge. Unraveling and threadlings everywhere. My personal fav is the solar one though. Uses crafted thrown cleaver with incandescent/tireless blade. Ember of benevolence/empyrean/solace/torches. two light swings on a group of ads spreads scorch and they ignite. Sometimes I actually gain more ammo than I use with that build just killing ads. For that build I run riptide for champions and sunshot in my energy slot and swap it with polaris lance for boss rooms so I can stunlock/do damage at range and use strongholds for ads upclose. You can also craft a surrounded/duelist's trance thrown cleaver for boss DPS on roaming bosses. Obviously apply the applicable artifact mods and go crazy
@@Fir7shadowthis is what I was thinking about too. Something like that would be awesome
Watched this Build Battle yesterday. Was really surprised how well the Fellwinter’s build did, but also thought the Titan “Tank” build was hilarious to watch. Although the Titan build was very good, my one thing about it is that is takes you out of the battle and makes you solely the tank. Whereas other games allow you to be the “tank” and still deal out dps. Still a great Build Battle to witness. Fun stream!
You can still throw swings between blocking, but it depends a lot on the player. A player used to a tank build will be able to assess when it is ok to start hitting without too much risk to himself.
You dont even need lament outside of boss phases or GM champion. Using thin precipice can spawn unravel and threadlings like crazy making you an add clearing monster. You just need one teammate on aeons or cenotaph and you are literally unkillable.
Oh shit I never considered Thin Precipice before, I've only ever ran with Throne Cleaver or Lament. Damn, I'll need to try that out.
I use my variation of the Strand Felwinter's Helm all the time, glad it got submitted!
Same. Strand, Conditional Finality + Something with Voltshot + Repulsor/Destabilising Rounds covers like 10 subclass keywords. It’s not exactly Metah but man is it a lot of fun
Personally I think grapple is better since the melee counts as a powered melee and it can spawn threadlings
@MilkChugger369 That's what I use, but I also incorporate Repulsar Brace instead Woven Mail.
DUDE I FUCKING LOVE LAMENT STRONGHOLD
there's so much nuance to it. it's a cool and rewarding playstyle and I fucking love it
the strand build Cross used is not that great for onslaught, honestly. it's unnecessarily tanky. just slap on sunshot or something.
incoming wall of text and nerd tips:
run atleast 1 lucent blade.
never go full tank, move constantly. scoot around with titan skating. both strafe and catapult lift have their pros and cons, but both are good in the long run. every titan should already be used to constant jumping to go fast.
if you don't have restoration or war banner, chip damage will hurt a lot.
air attacks are always quicker than ground attacks. if you have things actively shooting you and you want to kill an add/proc restoration quickly, go for an aerial light attack. it clings to enemies like crazy and has less recovery frames. Lament aerial combos deal a bit less damage and the Lament aerial heavy is unreliable at best. go for them when you feel they are needed.
grounded attacks are best for dealing actual damage. they rarely miss. they have their uses for neutral play too, gotta get a feel for it.
obviously, try to not run out of ammo. use ammo efficient single target damage specials, low maintenance primaries. this helps with ammo economy a whole lot, as you won't need to use lament on damn everything. solar specials are especially great, double dip on surges and scav. you can run ad clear specials if you want, but i don't find it as good personally. hoping for a solar special sidearm.
this is one build where running a kinetic primary is more than acceptable. they're good at base. you don't need any surges on those, hell, some don't even need a damage buff. attrition orbs / kinetic tremors multimach, and explosive payload / firefly fatebringer are my favorites. don't go for long ranged primaries, since you're not gonna be in the back, like, at all.
you're not as invincible in hard content. let anything melee you without block or any high damage resistance / overshield, and you're either on your deathbed or a wasted revive token. if you don't have healing on, you can suffocate under chip damage. exploding units are genuine threats. trading hits should be avoided, as it can be devastating. if you want to take this build to legend and master difficulties, and especially GMs, you gotta learn it, or you're gonna be really frustrated
most importantly - expect major jank. destiny melee is fucked. your hits might not register, your heavies might tp you behind your target or miss entirely, your strand melee might stop working after blocking, sword lunges might break and not move you at all, etc. it is what it is, be ready for it
I read all this
strongholds make most swords viable in endgame too because infinite blocking + resistx4 is so good.
the only sword that doesn't function well imo would be Worldline zero - can't run while blocking = no blink swipes.
Check some Stronghold gameplay playlist on my channel you may like them also do some suggestions if u thing could improve me
I've been using buried bloodline and haven't taken it off since onslaught came out. I love that gun.
I love this series!
I use strong hold but with bubble titan with bastion/offensive bulwark aspect. I have an old falling guillotine sword with energy transfer. You spam overshield the more u get damage. The only downside is its more of a defensive/juggernaut build. Fyi you can tank anything with stronghold x100 perfect guard with mods in the chest piece as long as it doesn’t get behind you or revive your teammates while you block. It seems like it deflects the damage back
I just used the felwinter build and had ridiculous fun
Ah I was actually in the stream for this one. Felwinters helm was really good
That’s my strand thing and stasis as well. Adding buried to darkness builds synergize so well because it gets you that form of healing you are missing on strand and stasis (I play hunter)
So the way i use stronghold basically resembles the felwinter build here, to do a lot of finishers, spawning threadlings as a way to do safe dmg, with proximity ward and healthy finisher, fragments are warding, continuity, finality and evolution, using 2 lucent blades and a reserve mod for the sword, otherwise the rest is similar. This tank build shines a lot more in GM, going into the frontline to draw aggro, enemies attack you instead of your team, keeping them safe in the back to dps. As shown by Cross here, tanking dangerous targets like Tormentors completely neutralize them as a threat, and normally you can suppress/blind/suspend them, its not the case for boss variant Tormentors like here in onslaught. The best use case is when tanking a boss to bait their stomp attack over and over, your allies never have an easier time just worrying about melting down the boss
Thank you. I finish and create threadlings on so manh enemies and I usually use threadling grenade too. I’m
Usually top or second in damage even while usually stronghold. But u have to use the mods like u said to keep u alive.
Does reserve mods work on swords now?
@@lucienmoolman8017 it does but there is a cap on how much ammo a sword can have, it seems to be 70, after 70 sword ammo reserve mods stop working
@@alaskayoung3413 to explain more on this, while you're out there tanking, your team should be doing dmg, if any enemies are finishable, thats a safer way to sustain yourself, trying to get a few slices with the sword in a GM while under heat is a deathwish, there's a skill curve of knowing when its safe to go offensive and get that restoration x2. Also i use shackle grenade to disable certain targets, works well for the build's goal, make it safer to attack with swords too, but if you use threadling grenade, feel free to switch continuity out for binding which add more crowd control to your super, good for onslaught, or generation
That first build is 🔥.
I run a Severance Enclosure Titan most of the time and the threadling generation on finisher is awesome. Finish the small/medium targets, generate tons of threadlings, lets the threadlings chunk down the beefy targets, kill or finish the big boys, rinse/repeat. Add in the constant explosions from SE and it's a good time.
Great video. 1 thing I did want to point out is you can in fact finish explosive shanks/thrall without proximity ward. The animation knocks them away before they explode.
It may be worth running special ammo finisher over the one that regenerates your health. both are a little overkill, but that’s just something super small
That well was amazing
Coming and going at the same time would be the best way to go!
I love using this warlock build and just thought I was the random who used it and now it’s on a Cross video 🔥
One cool thing about Felwinter's helm is that the weakening wave seems to also "stun" enemies when they get affected, it's like having weaken and blind at the same time
The way cross said “To the right” was weirdly wholesome lol
The Stronghold/Lament combo is insane been using it a lot before the Winterbite poke. To make it better you add back in some damage and utility by using threadling/finisher generation for ad clear since the unraveling stuff is pointless.
So i just found out that you can proc the weaking effect from felwinters with the adu battery by getting a kill with it.
It's nice
I really like pairing Felwinter with Solar because the snap can make an ignition on any target if you angle it downward to the floor. If one of the little fireballs of the snap kills an add near a beefier enemy that you hit with the snap, it will activate Felwinter's Helm before the enemy has finished igniting, so that one enemy is gonna end up weakened and exploding at the same time, basically getting fucking obliterated out of existence. It's hilarious.
Also that big ignition/weakening nuke you make with your snaps are giving you more melee energy back if you are in the air when you have the Heat Rises aspect equipped, which is really easy to do if you just jump right after starting an ignition. You can get full melee energy back instantly if you kill a big enough group.
I run a severance enclosure build very similar to that felwinter build, it's been great fun, but I'm absolutely jealous of felwinter's weakness debuff.
Maybe when Prismatic launches I'll luck into a soul of severance/soul of felwinter mark and run with Facet of Defiance for open choice of jolt/scorch/slow/sever/volatile.
use the chair finisher to increase the range of the of the weaken or explosion effects
I like strongholds on stasis. This makes me want to try a cold steel sword with our stasis artifact perks
I actually fuckin love these vids. Good shit Az
3:06 me too man, me too.
I need more out of pocket conversations during build battles 😂 makes it more interesting
Cool builds but both the links in the description are the same.
Edit: you fixed it thanks
I just used the felwinter build and it’s slaps hard
Just getting started, but *shocked* the strand build isn't running the tangle->melee energy fragment.
I tried this during the last of the neomuna campaign...was able to tank the 2 tormentors and calus with the exotic guantlets and the heavy sword..it was greaaaat!!!
A build so good it made cross come and finish all over the place
Tormentors' grab ability usually requires you to be at some minimum amount of range. If you're in point-blank range, they probably won't even start the animation to grab you because their slam takes priority.
@AztecrossGaming the dim links in bio are for the same build
Felwinter can actually apply its debuff when you kill enemies with objects (Like the batteries)
I use a similar sword build but I rock stasis. Ammo encon is fine with lament. Orange bar exploadies won't pop till close to edu unless you get their health low. You can easily tank bosses while your team fires them down.
I gotta say that the SH gameplay here was very solid from Cross, the only issue is the weapon selection. You can use Wavrframes like Tusk or Forbearance for great add clear and a utility/ranged special or primary
I actually really like both of these. The Titan one is very useful by the Warlock one is way more fun.
I use the Felwinter's on Strand but with grapple grenade. The melee creates three threadlings.
That " im cumin " sounded like arnold schwarzenegger when he talked about cumin backstage. Cross your a legend
I like how whenever he looked at Strand, his screen would light his face green and for as long as he was looking at Strand, he was transparent
People are gonna think I got this build form you now.. been using the stronghold build to stay alive at all costs, only had a couple losses on onslaught due to the acu dying
9:49 yeah its like morning wood
I’m finishing everywhere now!!!
I am once again suggesting to try this with severance enclosure! Not just cross, YOU!!! TITAN!!! READING THIS COMMENT!!!! USE IIIIITTTT
I may be a hunter but i will invest all of my crayons into that. Checking it out tomorrow
That exotic is underrated as heck
Commenting so I can remind myself to use it
But why doe
@ThaKingKen cuz it's fun, another option for titans, and pairs really well with buried bloodline on void or strand for survivability
That ability to stun the exploder units while summoning tracking attackers to finish them off is so clutch.
I used strongholds to distract Crota on day one it helped the team a lot
My favorite warlock melee is threaded spike
Felwinter’s helm ALSO WORKS WITH POWERED MELEE ATTACKS. You don’t need to always use finisher, in order to proc the debuff. Throw a melee instead 😅 this build is all finishers only when you use void for invis
I though BoW Lament was cooking until I found my void double bubble trouble build. Using the titan exotic glave and wormgod caress. I even use the glave shield to keep my lvl 3 decoys alive during tormentor attacks.
9:36 there's actually an answer in the lore for this. they would come back still needing to go to the restroom. that's the whole reason Drifter gutted his ghost. he died from starvation and every time he'd be brought back he'd still be starving and die again from it.
You shit and piss yourself when you die. So the real question is does ghost Rez you with fresh boxer briefs or are you eternally poopypants
hes never forgiven his ghost for it
@@flopre9213what? It’s not like his ghost chose not to “feed” him, he refused to receive the light’s gifts out of mistrust. He didn’t trust his ghost, so he refused its nourishment.
@@carsonhorton9827 i don't think that ghosts can just nourish guardians like that, though. if i remember right Crow has suffocated, and guardians still need air so i don't think ghosts can do much outside of resurrecting. i don't think they can provide for our physiological needs?
@@ButteLicher They don't nourish them they just stop them from being hungry/starving so they don't die
Look how it shows that 3d emoticon at the beginning
Bro I spent so much time buildcrafting a similar felwinters build and someone already beat me to the punch😵💫🙃
I run a renewal grasp lament build where I get resist x3 within the duskfield and pretty much only a tormentor can kill me
Stonghold build op
I went from absolutely loving ONSLAUGHT to thinking that it's all right, the moment I started playing with a team of 2 Orpheus Rig and 1 Shards of G. You literally can't lose and the grind became repetitive but very efficient.
That's a you thing though, no one is forcing you to play with or run boring builds(and you certainly can get clears with a variety of options). I really like onslaught, I've said for years we should have a horde mode/boss rush, awesome that we are getting both. Onslaught has been great for the game imo, while the ability has always been there, it has seemed to spark more of the community to experiment and get creative with new combos/builds, dusting off old forgotten and lesser used exotics, etc. Here's to hoping they killed it with Pantheon as well and its just as enjoyable.
With stronghold while fighting a tormentor keep restoration up you can survive his grab attack np
Does the first build work with quicksilver and indebted kindness instead?
They could almost make a catalyst for lament that has something to do with pulling aggro. Id enjoy that haha
Ashen wake and fusion nade? It’ll probably fall off quick but it’s fun just destroying enemies and getting your grenade back immediately
“I am prepared for this moment” … where is that from???😊
I love the human decoy build
You don't die to finishing exploders - unless there are other exploders around it that blow you up right after ofcourse.
I am going to try this. Right on GUARDIAN who brought this to everyones attention
Whoa, this series reached 18 >:)
It's even more fun with grapple melee. Repulsor brace swashbuckler sidearm cooks. Over shield, 30% debuff, 33% buff.
For that strongholds build. I myself use Thronecleaver as the sword of choice, then ratking as the exotic. Gives you some extra survivability and invise to get out of s sticky situation, and thronecleaver has some crazy damage to deal with anything i need to. Special I havent settled on yet honestly. controlled burst fusion, hell forebarence would be great for add clear, but ratking is probably good for that. probably best with a controlled burst fusion
Forbearance all the way fellow stronghold brother.
@VoiiDzZv that does make the most sense, but since you have a lot of survivalbility in the kit, i wonder if instead its better to use the new version dropping tommorow, with demo and chain reaction, for more ability uptime?
@@zferolie I’m gonna try it out definitely, but I think I’d prefer it with pugilist because I use the melee a lot more than my grenade. Obviously souldrinker is S tier for healing you when you’re not blocking with your sword.
@VoiiDzZv haha so restoration x2, souldrinker healing, banner of war healing, and also ratking healing and invisibility? Damn you healing more then wolverine haha.
I can see why pugilist may be better, but having always up grapple for mobility and paunches is what i would like, plus since you are a dark subclass you get melee energy per kill, so i felt it would be best to have demo to get both up at once.
Finishers on explosive enemies do not kill you.
The corpses get sent flying and only explode as they land (even if they get vaporized).
Still a good idea to rock Proximity ward though in case you knock the corpse at other explosive enemies to avoid being killed by chain reactions.
Well locks have a curious brain. There I was, wave 10 on Legend and I’ve been slaying with a Stasis Winterbite Triton Vice build and despite being able to shred mini bosses. Boss time came, literally asked for a well on the boss and the warlock just placed it at the back and there I was with my Winterbite. Clearing ads, basically useless with no form of healing.
Yes, got almost 900 kills with Winterbite when all was said and done. Chain Reaction shot with Triton is OP with Winterbite and Edge of Concurrence, but due to low ammo economy with Winterbite, has to be used sparingly.
Dps brain is a very serious medical ailment, especially for Warlocks who have been playing this game for 4+ years.
Felwinters on void would go even crazier. Finisher invis plus volatile finisher, plus final blows while surrounded gives super energy
the effects from the pit of heresy sword should be applied to your sword from stronghold, so u could reflect projectiles but at the cost of guard energy and maybe make it refund guard energy on projectile hits idk just an idea
Its called rigor mortis and depending on the part of the body, it can last hours to days.
I love how cross save me as a strongjold main everytime 👀😅
no bait and switch or envious when edging bosses?