Let me know if you have any questions about Acheron that I didn't go over in the video. Or general questions about anything HSR related. May be cooking up a all-in-one FAQ video :) xdd
hi i was wondering how would i build bronya if i have e2s1 acheron. My Team is Acheron, Pela, Bronya, Gepard with Trend. Should my bronya be one speed slower than my acheron? I dont really know.
@@cwissypooh Don't have much experience with this atm, but could look into it more if I do another video. E2 Acheron players can probably tell me if this is wrong but to me it would make sense to run Bronya 1 SPD slower than Acheron. Although there might be some nuance to getting Bronya's skill buff on Acheron every time she ults.
Nutnation represent! 🥜 I got lucky and managed to E2 Achy, but all the guides and recommendations out there assume we're swimming in 5*s if we are crazy enough to E2 Acheron. I just started on PS5 during Ruan Mei's banner. My main team was/is Kafka, Black Swan, Ruan Mei, and Bailu and I'm planning on a combo of Acheron, Pela, and Fire TB for team 2. Would Asta be a better 4th than someone like Gui given I have Acheron at E2? I was thinking of Asta for Acheron (instead of the Kafka crew) because she can burn on her basic... but does that speed up Acheron's ult rotation enough to outweigh the pure stat boosts someone like Ruan Mei would give her (given I could swap Asta into Kafka's team instead of RM)? Drop some knowledge on me Nutty 🙏
Edited based on replies. Tip for using Resolution LC Pela with Acheron: use basic atk first then ult to gain an extra stack. Otherwise you trigger the LC effect using pela's ult. Each debuff needs to be triggered with a unique action. Read replies ⬇️
@@andyluan7183what he meant by that was when u have the sweat lc, if you use ult first before normal attack, it will already proc the effect of the lc so that your normal attack won't trigger the lc effect again making it not giving stack to acheron.
@@alrashedylipa9678 yes exactly, thought it would have been understood that Pela will be used with Resolution LC. So in that case it shouldn't matter how many enemies.
Yeah, that's (the edited comment) how I've been using Pela. Basic atk then ult. I use skill when all the enemies are already ensnared (Resolution's Debuff).
I'm enjoying her with Welt, Silver Wolf and Sparkle (Welt uses the LC you recommended for Pela). It's kinda crazy how much damage she does for having terrible relics and S5 GNSW, I thought she'd be nowhere near 600k per ult, but she's cracked, she deals so much damage....
I was hitting 200k at level 70 with level 5 talents, random relics I yoinked off a half built Ratio and s3 GNSW. Once she's built with her LC it's going to be so stupid
I call bs. Not possible to reach 1.3 Billion. You do know what that number looks like right. If not here is an example... 1300000000. That would be 8 zeros my dude. Cmon, math better please.
@@SinjadeIt was possible in genshin, it’s probably possible in honkai too, the dmg limit that it can record should be also similar to one in genshin which is 2 billion, then it will just go into negatives
i like your takes about between SPD and Atk% boots, tbh it's most logical opinion so far i have seen because some people just straight up saying just Slap atk% without consider the team ally whether they are fast enough to stacking acheron petal. They assuming everyone are sweaty gamer that have 160+ SPD on every support character :)
I tried a E2S1 Acheron from my friend list and paired her with my Sparkle and it really change a lot. With E2, you don't need 2 Nihility for max damage passive so you can go with Sparkle without losing anything. With the push forward , Acheron gets free turn and with E2s1, she can basically gets 3(4?) stacks for ultimate everytime its her turn so she makes up for the fact you only have 1 nihility . Its quite amazing. Oh yeah and if you got Sparkle signature + Acheron E1 + Izumo and the set, your Acheron basically got a 53% crit chance by default against enemy with debuff and its wild. Just one or two good CC substats and your Acheron is good to go for a Crit damage piece. I know this is big whale category or your entitre jade saving but damn . I might just save for her rerun xdd
I have E2S1. 3 stacks per acheron turn. SPD around 130 is a nice sweetspot so she gets enough turns or sometimes get a turn right before the enemies I don't have sparkle but have E1 bronya which can be an alternative, specially with the light cone that increases team damage of the type of act the harmony unit does (so if bronya uses her ult, team mates does more ult damage)
For me Acheron is a win - win! I love her kit, I have SW, and I love her aesthetics and personality. Fun to play, fun to look at, fits on my noob returning player account. Now I'm getting the itch to get a second dps but my heart years for Sparkle so I'll have to wait and see what kinda SP hungry hypercarry we might get next
First of all, nice video as always, but i was wondering about acheron sustains. Since while pulling for her i got E6 Gallagher, how does he compares to fire MC? Im in a bad spot since i love acheron, so i have to farm for all 4 characters that she teams up with, so thats why i was in doubt whether to choose between fire MC and Gallagher. Nice work and see you on the next! xdd
Thanks for the kind words - to answer your question I believe that Fire Trailblazer is better than Gallagher in most situations. It comes down to the TB being able to debuff every turn with their taunt if you so choose, and out of turn too with the TOTUM LC. Gallagher on the other hand lands debuffs twice every 3 turns. Gallagher might be better if the TB isn't enough to solo sustain your team (assuming Gallagher can in that scenario) Hope this helped! edit: xdd
Imo, fire MC with Trend LC can raise Acheron's stack faster, but the sustain ability is pretty meagre especially against AOE enemies, also if you prioritize stacking Acheron's stack, your SP management suffers. Gallagher give more comfort, possibly SP positive, better sustain, but slower stack, especially in the early stage of the battle (no ult yet)
Fire TB will get you stacks for her ult faster with trend LC and taunt but if your team isn’t strong enough to kill things quickly you might find yourself dying in harder content as their long term sustain isn’t the greatest. Gallagher will provide less debuffs so less ult uptime for Acheron but should be better at keeping your team alive.
I’m running black swan, pela, Gallagher, Acheron right now since my black swan is the only one really well built. once I get Jingliu I’m swapping Pela out for Welt, since I stopped playing after 1.0 and only came back after 2.0 so my speed isn’t all there and I feel it’ll be easier to deal with slowed/imprisoned enemies. Gonna be running bronya, pela, jingliu and luocha once I get my jingliu :)
I started playing the game a week ago. My only 5 stars are Ratio, Bronya and Bailu, should i pull for Acheron or wait for Jingliu in a couple of weeks?
I find it pretty interesting that you're also recommending fire MC. Currently I'm running her with SW, Pela, and Gallager and I feel like it's not enough. Though I'm unsure how much of that is due to sub par relics. I do appreciate his heals since my team isn't fast enough to take double actions/act first in every scenario. But in terms of his contribution to Acheron he's not contributing much unless he ults. Which I don't have cracked energy regeneration for him. I have gotten like halfway through MoC/PF with this team (my second team still needs work) and it's not like she's unable to clear these things fast enough (I have leeway cause I also have her LC,) but idk. Just doesn't feel right. Maybe I should try building out Fire MC. I just worry that the taunt won't happen enough to justify taking a character who doesn't sustain well. Then again I'm used to "comfy" where I have Lynx and Fu Xuan. So the transition to "killing fast enough so you don't need to worry about longer fights" is difficult for me.
I use that exact team with E6 gallagher and I did MOC 12 with her (the first part). I think Fire MC might be a bit better for generating stacks when you get hit a lot but his sustain is much better. If you go with fire mc you have no cleanse at all.
@@zaregotoch.8491 Thanks for the reply! At the moment I'm pretty sure relics are my issue. I have built Fire MC as well and at least for MoC I am stuck on 11. I don't have a strong enough second team and my primary team while now has better relics is still not good enough. I do have more consistency with Acheron now but still.
i have in my team houhou E1, acheron, Pela and on my account i got a E0 sparkle and E1 ruan mei. Who should i pick in my team? Sparkle E0 or ruan mei E1, pls help me decide! Both build well btw
Ive tried my E1S1(hopefully e2 soon) Acheron with triple nihility+sustain and welt-ruan mei- pela(or sw) both did amazing in moc 12, but the second team was more fun
The Sparkle comp is only really an option for E2 Acheron. Sparkle's own buffs aren't enough to offset the missing 45% but once you have E2 on Acheron thse two are amazing together.
Acheron, Kafka, Black Swan and Ruan Mei is an absolutely insane team that got me my first 0 cycle in moc 12 as f2p. Acheron is e0s1, the rest are all e0s0.
some of my thoughts: sparkle + nihility is better than double nihility unless you need more than 2 ults SW is only good on fully single target fights even Welt is better if there's a second enemy that can't get oneshot black swan = yes
Not sure if I've been imagining it, but with Acheron's sig lc equipped I've noticed doing her skill grants two petals. Haven't properly read everyting in her kit, so I'm not sure how or why it functions like that, but still nice addition to have. Also trying out kafka (support) with her makes me really annoyed I couldn't get kafka during her rerun, would've been such a nice and powerful combo too.
Ruan Mei is also very good for Acheron since she gives a lot of dmg% and res shred, ATK orb becomes ever better in that setup. From my testing, even if Pearls proc on Pela's ult, which would mean having no extra stacks on her normal attack, it seems that her skill's "enemy cleanse" is counted as a "debuff" and has been counting as a stack for me.
I'm running Acheron, Sweaty Pela, Sparkle, and Stonks MC. Its insane how many stacks she gets. Stonks MC gives her one every skill, and then another one every time an enemy hits him. Works fantastic. E3S2 fwiw.
Wish i wouldve made a list for all cc’s that were downplaying her and telling everyone to skip lol acheron has been a great pull across all my accounts. New and main she is amazing for me
Her sig is insane, I got super lucky to get E0S1. It not only boosts crit damage but also applies a debuff when she attacks meaning they count for 2 stacks of her ult. Been pairing her with Fu, Sampo/Welt and Sparkle on my main and it hasn't let me down at all. Also have another account with Acheron, BS, Guinaifen/Welt and HuoHuo and shes rocking GNSW and also have no complaints. Been loving her and cant wait to try add Aventurine to my team next!
7:24 *A correction: technically Welt is actually the best at amplifying Acheron's damage (at least for memory of chaos), because if you play Welt sustain (Acheron/pela or sw/Welt/Harmony (ruan mei, bronya or sparkle)), you can put any harmony unit instead of your preservation/abundance unit. This way you'll be quickly generating stack for Acheron's ult, debuffing enemies further and buffing Acheron with a harmony unit. In Welt sustain team comps for Acheron, Welt himself doesn't need to do any damage, he's very easy to build for these teams, he just has to slow and debuff enemies as much as possible, while acheron will be doing more than enough damage to deal with the stage. This team does not require high investment, but it requires a lot of thinking and it depends on your strategy (you can't use it for auto battle at all). And ofcourse this team is not suitable for long battles, like pure fiction, where you don't have any source of healing or actual defence. (Yes, silver wolf can be used in a similar way and she would probably offer an even bigger damage amplification, but she won't be able to sustain the team, so you can play like that only in sim universe and stuff like that)
Thanks for the comment, and I understand your point. However, if we aren't considering long fights with no healing light pure fiction and certainly not Swarm Disaster or Gold and Gears, its realistically only MoC thats a challenging gamemode. Wouldn't SW be better at amplifying Acheron's damage there then? Seeing as how there is usually just 1 or 2 elite enemies which is where SW thrives with her massive debuffs. Sure Welt could be a middle ground where he helps you stay alive a bit more if you lack the damage to defeat the enemies before they kill you. But I wouldn't say that makes him the best at amplifying Acheron's damage. Genuinely respectfully xdd
Running Welt optimally requires you to have another Reso LC apart from Pela also having it, or you'll see yourself spamming skill to get debuffs (the edge case that you don't need this is when fighting only one enemy, as Ensnared doesn't apply on top of itself). Sustain Welt is also known to require a lot of investment, from maxing out his traces and requiring highly invested relics. Asking someone to have two high SI Reso LCs is quite too much, since S1 Reso's 60% base chance requires very high EHR to guarantee landing the debuff.
whats the point? if you say sustain yes welt can sustain., but when you say amplify? I would rather Put my SW there than welt. but if your talkin about sustain? I would rather put FMC than welt, with taunt and guaranteed 3 to 5 stacks per turn lmao.@@sayorimiko
@@sayorimiko No one is running double resolution when using pela + welt + Acheron. Usually it’s tutorial or sig on welt and resolution on pela. Any lightcone that you’re putting on SW can be put on welt just fine.
the diff of jingliu and acheron is their team. i tested mine since acheron need's 2 nihility members to achieve 160% bonus dmg her team is limited on 2 nihility and 1 healer/shielder my jingliu team contains ruanmei,sparkle,huohuo. ultimately if you dont like the idea of being limited on team varients its safe for you to pull for jingliu. i have both of them e0s1 both perform well but the most dmg would be acheron herself. her/pela/welt/gallagher. pela's ultimate reduce armor+welt cast debuff+slow, gallagher cast debuff. i hit around like 500k meanwhile my jingliu/ruanmei/sparkle/huohuo deals maximum are 200k-300k
According to my tests definitely dual nihility is better then sparkle+nihility even with a slow acheron Average over 5 repeats MoC12 vs gepard SW+pela atk boots acheron - Clearing amount of turns: 2.4 turns - Actions taken in clearing amount of turns (ults not taken along as actions to normalize for energy gain): 18.6 - Acheron actions in clearing amount of turns (Ults not taken as actions): 4 - Acheron ults/cleaning amount of turns: 1 ult/turn - Acheron ults/clearing amount of actions (ults not taken as actions): 0.21 - Acheron ults/clearing amount of actions (ults not taken as actions): 1 ult/acheron action - Acheron biggest aoe dmg/enemy not normalized for def down: 199k/enemy - Acheron biggest boss single target dmg with def shred on boss: NA So average over 3 replicates: sw + sparkle; atk boots acheron So: - clearing amount of turns : 3 - Actions taken in clearing amount of turns (ults not taken along as actions): 22 - Acheron actions in clearing amount of turns: 6 - acheron ults/clearing amount of turns: 1.33/turn - acheron ults/clearing amount of actions (ults not taken along as actions): 0.18 ults/action - acheron ults/clearing amount of acheron actions: 0.66 ult/acheron action - acheron biggest aoe dmg/enemy not normalized for def down: 124k/enemy - acheron biggest single target boss dmg; 233k The ult/action and dmg/enemy numbers support dual nihility. My acheron is e0s1 80% crate and 210% cdmg 4k atk 101 spd. My sparkle was 160 speed 180% cdmg. I used sw over pela in the sparkle team tho but should not account for the difference we see in ult/action as they're both 160+ spd and i don't think it can account for 70k/enemy dmg.
Let me know if you have any questions about Acheron that I didn't go over in the video. Or general questions about anything HSR related. May be cooking up a all-in-one FAQ video :)
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do u have discord server ?
have a nice day :)
hi i was wondering how would i build bronya if i have e2s1 acheron. My Team is Acheron, Pela, Bronya, Gepard with Trend. Should my bronya be one speed slower than my acheron? I dont really know.
@@amatsuki3713 Yep, here's the invite link discord.com/invite/e9FwtkczsR
@@cwissypooh Don't have much experience with this atm, but could look into it more if I do another video. E2 Acheron players can probably tell me if this is wrong but to me it would make sense to run Bronya 1 SPD slower than Acheron. Although there might be some nuance to getting Bronya's skill buff on Acheron every time she ults.
Nutnation represent! 🥜 I got lucky and managed to E2 Achy, but all the guides and recommendations out there assume we're swimming in 5*s if we are crazy enough to E2 Acheron. I just started on PS5 during Ruan Mei's banner. My main team was/is Kafka, Black Swan, Ruan Mei, and Bailu and I'm planning on a combo of Acheron, Pela, and Fire TB for team 2. Would Asta be a better 4th than someone like Gui given I have Acheron at E2? I was thinking of Asta for Acheron (instead of the Kafka crew) because she can burn on her basic... but does that speed up Acheron's ult rotation enough to outweigh the pure stat boosts someone like Ruan Mei would give her (given I could swap Asta into Kafka's team instead of RM)? Drop some knowledge on me Nutty 🙏
Edited based on replies. Tip for using Resolution LC Pela with Acheron: use basic atk first then ult to gain an extra stack. Otherwise you trigger the LC effect using pela's ult. Each debuff needs to be triggered with a unique action. Read replies ⬇️
It’s the same tho? The ult always applies 1 and basic you must need resolution shines, and procs in different moments
@@andyluan7183what he meant by that was when u have the sweat lc, if you use ult first before normal attack, it will already proc the effect of the lc so that your normal attack won't trigger the lc effect again making it not giving stack to acheron.
@@alrashedylipa9678 yes exactly, thought it would have been understood that Pela will be used with Resolution LC. So in that case it shouldn't matter how many enemies.
Same idea with e4. Do basic first, burst, then skill for 3x different debuffs
Yeah, that's (the edited comment) how I've been using Pela. Basic atk then ult. I use skill when all the enemies are already ensnared (Resolution's Debuff).
got double acheron lightcones in one 10 pull and then now my phone keeps crashing non stop..
Karma.. 😂
double acheron lightcone is good but id love to be that person getting double acheron in 1 10 pull then id go for E2
That's what I did, I got double Acheron in one 10 pull, so I used everything else I had to get E2, she is such an amazing unit.
The game has been crashing lately not sure why. Never had this glitch before but lately, either it freezes or closes 2-3 times per day.
A small price to pay for Acheron
I like your guides man very everyday and relatable. Keep going 💪
congrats on the acheron!! :D
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Damn, I also got bronya’s lc from the banner. Luckily I managed to get the guarantee a little early! Good luck for an early lightcone!
"Hello Nut nation!" is wild lmao! Another banger video
I'm enjoying her with Welt, Silver Wolf and Sparkle (Welt uses the LC you recommended for Pela). It's kinda crazy how much damage she does for having terrible relics and S5 GNSW, I thought she'd be nowhere near 600k per ult, but she's cracked, she deals so much damage....
I was hitting 200k at level 70 with level 5 talents, random relics I yoinked off a half built Ratio and s3 GNSW.
Once she's built with her LC it's going to be so stupid
A japanese player has already reached 1.3billion damage with Acheron (suspect E6S5) which is nuts. She's certainly not called an Emanator for nothing.
thats basically impossible outside of sim universe or at least a boss with a huge dmg multiplier (space station boss for example)
I call bs. Not possible to reach 1.3 Billion. You do know what that number looks like right. If not here is an example... 1300000000. That would be 8 zeros my dude. Cmon, math better please.
@@SinjadeIt was possible in genshin, it’s probably possible in honkai too, the dmg limit that it can record should be also similar to one in genshin which is 2 billion, then it will just go into negatives
@@hizu1551 show me where someone hit 2 billion in Genshin?
1.3Billion is very unlikely, because even with Honkai Impact 3's High Multiplier scaling and buffs, it's even hard to get 1 Billion+ there
i like your takes about between SPD and Atk% boots, tbh it's most logical opinion so far i have seen because some people just straight up saying just Slap atk% without consider the team ally whether they are fast enough to stacking acheron petal. They assuming everyone are sweaty gamer that have 160+ SPD on every support character :)
Crimson nut xdd I guess Acheron was meant to be one of your carries. Great video, very informative and detailed
What do i run with her? My fire mc is built but i only have s1 of the recomended lightcone and its not leveled,
Or gallager?
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I tried a E2S1 Acheron from my friend list and paired her with my Sparkle and it really change a lot. With E2, you don't need 2 Nihility for max damage passive so you can go with Sparkle without losing anything. With the push forward , Acheron gets free turn and with E2s1, she can basically gets 3(4?) stacks for ultimate everytime its her turn so she makes up for the fact you only have 1 nihility .
Its quite amazing.
Oh yeah and if you got Sparkle signature + Acheron E1 + Izumo and the set, your Acheron basically got a 53% crit chance by default against enemy with debuff and its wild. Just one or two good CC substats and your Acheron is good to go for a Crit damage piece. I know this is big whale category or your entitre jade saving but damn . I might just save for her rerun xdd
It wouldn't be that big of a difference if it was just buffing her dmg% but no it straight up adds to her scaling which is insane
I have E2S1. 3 stacks per acheron turn. SPD around 130 is a nice sweetspot so she gets enough turns or sometimes get a turn right before the enemies
I don't have sparkle but have E1 bronya which can be an alternative, specially with the light cone that increases team damage of the type of act the harmony unit does (so if bronya uses her ult, team mates does more ult damage)
You have my vote for Nut Nation.
Hello) But why do you run 4pc Hacker on Pela, she can't activate 4pc set bonus
Hanya is also a great support for Acheron with her transfering a % of her speed to another unit
Plus constant Burden debuff!!
@@jesusamarillas6359 burden doesnt count as debuff :c
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For me Acheron is a win - win! I love her kit, I have SW, and I love her aesthetics and personality. Fun to play, fun to look at, fits on my noob returning player account. Now I'm getting the itch to get a second dps but my heart years for Sparkle so I'll have to wait and see what kinda SP hungry hypercarry we might get next
First of all, nice video as always, but i was wondering about acheron sustains. Since while pulling for her i got E6 Gallagher, how does he compares to fire MC?
Im in a bad spot since i love acheron, so i have to farm for all 4 characters that she teams up with, so thats why i was in doubt whether to choose between fire MC and Gallagher.
Nice work and see you on the next!
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Thanks for the kind words - to answer your question I believe that Fire Trailblazer is better than Gallagher in most situations. It comes down to the TB being able to debuff every turn with their taunt if you so choose, and out of turn too with the TOTUM LC. Gallagher on the other hand lands debuffs twice every 3 turns. Gallagher might be better if the TB isn't enough to solo sustain your team (assuming Gallagher can in that scenario) Hope this helped!
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Imo, fire MC with Trend LC can raise Acheron's stack faster, but the sustain ability is pretty meagre especially against AOE enemies, also if you prioritize stacking Acheron's stack, your SP management suffers.
Gallagher give more comfort, possibly SP positive, better sustain, but slower stack, especially in the early stage of the battle (no ult yet)
Fire TB will get you stacks for her ult faster with trend LC and taunt but if your team isn’t strong enough to kill things quickly you might find yourself dying in harder content as their long term sustain isn’t the greatest. Gallagher will provide less debuffs so less ult uptime for Acheron but should be better at keeping your team alive.
@@Nuttyjuice01 thanks it absolutely helps, love to see your engagement
@@spikethebulldog3277 i will keep this in mind as well, thanks for the help
I’m running black swan, pela, Gallagher, Acheron right now since my black swan is the only one really well built. once I get Jingliu I’m swapping Pela out for Welt, since I stopped playing after 1.0 and only came back after 2.0 so my speed isn’t all there and I feel it’ll be easier to deal with slowed/imprisoned enemies. Gonna be running bronya, pela, jingliu and luocha once I get my jingliu :)
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What about kafka black swan how to u maximize that. I dont have sparkle or welt. And dont want a healer. Lol
I started playing the game a week ago. My only 5 stars are Ratio, Bronya and Bailu, should i pull for Acheron or wait for Jingliu in a couple of weeks?
I would suggest jingliu since Acheron needs 2 other nihility (Pela on the banner is 1) + Jingliu has really high crit stats which can be built upon!
I find it pretty interesting that you're also recommending fire MC. Currently I'm running her with SW, Pela, and Gallager and I feel like it's not enough. Though I'm unsure how much of that is due to sub par relics. I do appreciate his heals since my team isn't fast enough to take double actions/act first in every scenario. But in terms of his contribution to Acheron he's not contributing much unless he ults. Which I don't have cracked energy regeneration for him.
I have gotten like halfway through MoC/PF with this team (my second team still needs work) and it's not like she's unable to clear these things fast enough (I have leeway cause I also have her LC,) but idk. Just doesn't feel right. Maybe I should try building out Fire MC. I just worry that the taunt won't happen enough to justify taking a character who doesn't sustain well. Then again I'm used to "comfy" where I have Lynx and Fu Xuan. So the transition to "killing fast enough so you don't need to worry about longer fights" is difficult for me.
I use that exact team with E6 gallagher and I did MOC 12 with her (the first part). I think Fire MC might be a bit better for generating stacks when you get hit a lot but his sustain is much better. If you go with fire mc you have no cleanse at all.
@@zaregotoch.8491 Thanks for the reply! At the moment I'm pretty sure relics are my issue. I have built Fire MC as well and at least for MoC I am stuck on 11.
I don't have a strong enough second team and my primary team while now has better relics is still not good enough. I do have more consistency with Acheron now but still.
i have in my team houhou E1, acheron, Pela and on my account i got a E0 sparkle and E1 ruan mei. Who should i pick in my team? Sparkle E0 or ruan mei E1, pls help me decide! Both build well btw
Sparkle is better, since she moves acheron forward and that helps her to get her ultimate faster, especially if acheron has her signature light cone
But for that i got pela for a fast acheron ult@@moonshine4527
Ive tried my E1S1(hopefully e2 soon) Acheron with triple nihility+sustain and welt-ruan mei- pela(or sw) both did amazing in moc 12, but the second team was more fun
The Sparkle comp is only really an option for E2 Acheron. Sparkle's own buffs aren't enough to offset the missing 45% but once you have E2 on Acheron thse two are amazing together.
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I wish we could have her look like her dark version when walking around
Acheron, Kafka, Black Swan and Ruan Mei is an absolutely insane team that got me my first 0 cycle in moc 12 as f2p. Acheron is e0s1, the rest are all e0s0.
some of my thoughts:
sparkle + nihility is better than double nihility unless you need more than 2 ults
SW is only good on fully single target fights even Welt is better if there's a second enemy that can't get oneshot
black swan = yes
Its like argenti with energi regen
Argentin with energy regen can 3x ulti when the atk% still at 2x.
Total dmg energy regen better than atk%
Is it worth risk to lose th 75/25 for her lightcone? I just pulled her yesterday...
If u have the jades to spare then yeah but if u have a decent replacement light cone then nah
@@g.e.f2855 i only have two copy of GNSW and im at pity 62 for the lightcone banner
@@g.e.f2855 i got the lightcone 🙂
Not sure if I've been imagining it, but with Acheron's sig lc equipped I've noticed doing her skill grants two petals. Haven't properly read everyting in her kit, so I'm not sure how or why it functions like that, but still nice addition to have. Also trying out kafka (support) with her makes me really annoyed I couldn't get kafka during her rerun, would've been such a nice and powerful combo too.
her signature light cone itself gives a debuf. so she herself when casting e gives 1 and the light one gives 1 thus 2
@@Akiee04 I thought that was how it worked, but again, didn't read it much so didn't want to look stupid acting like I knew when I clearly don't.
@@agentbluegaming7709 it's aight
You can use Fu Xuang instead of sparkle and if you have the LC or E1 I think it might be even better
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Your videos are sooooo good man!!! But please add background music if not asking for much🙏🙏🙏
I like you explinations the most '
got Acheron but used all my weekly boss mats on sparkle... now i gotta wait and its killing me
I feel this hate how we have to wait
I lost the LC pull to a second copy of Clara's signature😭 thank god its still early and i can grind more jades😅
Ruan Mei is also very good for Acheron since she gives a lot of dmg% and res shred, ATK orb becomes ever better in that setup.
From my testing, even if Pearls proc on Pela's ult, which would mean having no extra stacks on her normal attack, it seems that her skill's "enemy cleanse" is counted as a "debuff" and has been counting as a stack for me.
Looks as though ATK orb on her is a little bit ahead of dmg % in all cases except when you use her with Sparkle or Bronya
Is your Pela E4?
@@ButtersGettingHard E6
@@itsmesoru her skill gets an ice res down debuff at e4
@@ButtersGettingHard ahh so that's why
I'm running Acheron, Sweaty Pela, Sparkle, and Stonks MC. Its insane how many stacks she gets. Stonks MC gives her one every skill, and then another one every time an enemy hits him. Works fantastic. E3S2 fwiw.
I'm so tempted to buy e2 to be able to run her with Sparkle or Bronya.
It'd make up for my utter inability to get dual crit relics.
@@maevethefox5912 IT really frees you up in team building, very worth it imo.
YES NUTNATION PEEPS!! I AM ACTIVELY NUTTING(watching a nutty vid) RIGHT NOW
MakeNutNationAThingPlease.....
LET'S NUTT TOGETHER
Nut nation standup!
TOGETHER WE NUT
Huh... Weird... Fu xuan takes dmg from her teams, doesnt that also cause burn to whoever causes the atk...?
Is adventurine going to be good with Acheron?
Absolutely one the best sustainer for her actually
HELLO NUTT NATION!🎉
I have E2 , speed is the best option for her in E2, or using a bronya or hanabi
could I see silver wolf build
Was eating cream when I heard that intro
I got Bailu's on the LC pulls. =( I know that feels.
are you from Singapore?
I am a fan of “nut nation”
why did i see the timestamp on this video and think "oh, a short one today" 😭
(IT'S GREAT THO)
Bro i got fooled on this banner i got welt which is nihility and then welts lc which is nihility too but i still go her and the sig LC
I was able yo lose both the 50/50 and the 75/25...
You still got bronya's lightcone, i got yanqing's lightcone 😭😭😭
WE THE NUT NATION, WE NUTTING ALL OVER THE PLACE
Wish i wouldve made a list for all cc’s that were downplaying her and telling everyone to skip lol acheron has been a great pull across all my accounts. New and main she is amazing for me
You said Acheron isn't your favorite character from a visual design point of view ... Who is your favorite character for visual design / visual style?
Currently it would have to be Ruan Mei
fire mc is good but I run into this issue of team wide aoe slaps my units hard
Hey. Don't worry. At least bronya's lc isn't bad. Imagine it as a buff to your account
huh youtube actually recommended a channel that is not garbage clickbait
If you have Acheron LC you can stack speed because each skill gives 2 stacks
That skill hits pretty hard tho ngl, deceptively hard infact.
I pulled 2 of acherons lightcones so i can use one of them on my welt lol
oh i didn’t think of that. does welt give acheron two slash dreams instead of one?
@@legendelfz8262 tbh i have not tryed them in the same team gives me something to test
Like and comment just from nut nation
Gepard can debuff at e0 but his e1 gives ehr!
Her sig is insane, I got super lucky to get E0S1. It not only boosts crit damage but also applies a debuff when she attacks meaning they count for 2 stacks of her ult. Been pairing her with Fu, Sampo/Welt and Sparkle on my main and it hasn't let me down at all. Also have another account with Acheron, BS, Guinaifen/Welt and HuoHuo and shes rocking GNSW and also have no complaints. Been loving her and cant wait to try add Aventurine to my team next!
🥜 nation sounds sick 👏
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*A correction: technically Welt is actually the best at amplifying Acheron's damage (at least for memory of chaos), because if you play Welt sustain (Acheron/pela or sw/Welt/Harmony (ruan mei, bronya or sparkle)), you can put any harmony unit instead of your preservation/abundance unit. This way you'll be quickly generating stack for Acheron's ult, debuffing enemies further and buffing Acheron with a harmony unit. In Welt sustain team comps for Acheron, Welt himself doesn't need to do any damage, he's very easy to build for these teams, he just has to slow and debuff enemies as much as possible, while acheron will be doing more than enough damage to deal with the stage. This team does not require high investment, but it requires a lot of thinking and it depends on your strategy (you can't use it for auto battle at all). And ofcourse this team is not suitable for long battles, like pure fiction, where you don't have any source of healing or actual defence.
(Yes, silver wolf can be used in a similar way and she would probably offer an even bigger damage amplification, but she won't be able to sustain the team, so you can play like that only in sim universe and stuff like that)
Thanks for the comment, and I understand your point. However, if we aren't considering long fights with no healing light pure fiction and certainly not Swarm Disaster or Gold and Gears, its realistically only MoC thats a challenging gamemode. Wouldn't SW be better at amplifying Acheron's damage there then? Seeing as how there is usually just 1 or 2 elite enemies which is where SW thrives with her massive debuffs. Sure Welt could be a middle ground where he helps you stay alive a bit more if you lack the damage to defeat the enemies before they kill you. But I wouldn't say that makes him the best at amplifying Acheron's damage. Genuinely respectfully xdd
Running Welt optimally requires you to have another Reso LC apart from Pela also having it, or you'll see yourself spamming skill to get debuffs (the edge case that you don't need this is when fighting only one enemy, as Ensnared doesn't apply on top of itself). Sustain Welt is also known to require a lot of investment, from maxing out his traces and requiring highly invested relics. Asking someone to have two high SI Reso LCs is quite too much, since S1 Reso's 60% base chance requires very high EHR to guarantee landing the debuff.
whats the point? if you say sustain yes welt can sustain., but when you say amplify? I would rather Put my SW there than welt. but if your talkin about sustain? I would rather put FMC than welt, with taunt and guaranteed 3 to 5 stacks per turn lmao.@@sayorimiko
@@sayorimiko
No one is running double resolution when using pela + welt + Acheron. Usually it’s tutorial or sig on welt and resolution on pela. Any lightcone that you’re putting on SW can be put on welt just fine.
did you reply to the wrong person@@reedsad4652
its less about building Acheron and more about building the other 3 XD
I lost to welts lightcone💀💀💀 what kind of sick joke is that
XDD is my life indeed
I have no ice unit and therefore I'll pass Acheron and w8 for Jing Liu. But I know archeron it's way better.....hope don't regret my decision 😅
the diff of jingliu and acheron is their team. i tested mine since acheron need's 2 nihility members to achieve 160% bonus dmg her team is limited on 2 nihility and 1 healer/shielder
my jingliu team contains ruanmei,sparkle,huohuo. ultimately if you dont like the idea of being limited on team varients its safe for you to pull for jingliu.
i have both of them e0s1
both perform well
but the most dmg would be acheron herself. her/pela/welt/gallagher. pela's ultimate reduce armor+welt cast debuff+slow, gallagher cast debuff.
i hit around like 500k
meanwhile my jingliu/ruanmei/sparkle/huohuo deals maximum are 200k-300k
spd does increase his dps but new meta in star rail is one cycle soo atk boot make a lot sense. I mean who doesn't love seeing 1 mil dmg 🤣🤣🤣
Funny Because Speed is energy for everyone actually
Bruh, i pulled himeko pulling for her.
I mean, i still got her but man leeme tell ya 😅😅😅😅 hope was dwindling
I wish I got Himeko, I got Yanqing the Yamcha of HSR....
@@vinceunknown1935 not the yamcha 💀💀💀💀
For the algorithm xdd
According to my tests definitely dual nihility is better then sparkle+nihility even with a slow acheron
Average over 5 repeats MoC12 vs gepard
SW+pela atk boots acheron
- Clearing amount of turns: 2.4 turns
- Actions taken in clearing amount of turns (ults not taken along as actions to normalize for energy gain): 18.6
- Acheron actions in clearing amount of turns (Ults not taken as actions): 4
- Acheron ults/cleaning amount of turns: 1 ult/turn
- Acheron ults/clearing amount of actions (ults not taken as actions): 0.21
- Acheron ults/clearing amount of actions (ults not taken as actions): 1 ult/acheron action
- Acheron biggest aoe dmg/enemy not normalized for def down: 199k/enemy
- Acheron biggest boss single target dmg with def shred on boss: NA
So average over 3 replicates:
sw + sparkle; atk boots acheron
So:
- clearing amount of turns : 3
- Actions taken in clearing amount of turns (ults not taken along as actions): 22
- Acheron actions in clearing amount of turns: 6
- acheron ults/clearing amount of turns: 1.33/turn
- acheron ults/clearing amount of actions (ults not taken along as actions): 0.18 ults/action
- acheron ults/clearing amount of acheron actions: 0.66 ult/acheron action
- acheron biggest aoe dmg/enemy not normalized for def down: 124k/enemy
- acheron biggest single target boss dmg; 233k
The ult/action and dmg/enemy numbers support dual nihility. My acheron is e0s1 80% crate and 210% cdmg 4k atk 101 spd.
My sparkle was 160 speed 180% cdmg. I used sw over pela in the sparkle team tho but should not account for the difference we see in ult/action as they're both 160+ spd and i don't think it can account for 70k/enemy dmg.
Running her e2s3 with Fmc, e6s5 Guin and e6s5 Black Swan, everything that steps into battle is immediately erased.
Only fair after erasing your wallet😭
@@retro1reactive agreed.
A sugondese player just hit an acherillion amount of dmg in MoC, so shes pretty broken
xdd is great but xdding better
Guys i am f2p gang
I already pulled e2s1 acheron along with bronya in just 120 pulls
Yanqing and Acheron in 100 pulls, do you have any luck to pare for me?
living the dream, I caved and opened my wallet 😥
xdd
XDD
imagine not having her LC xdd
ik this is unrelated but why did i suddenly get a shit taste in my mouth
1:23 what a coincidence, I also got Bronyas lightcone when going for s1 🥲
Did lil bro just learned something we learned since day 1? Speed always meant more energy 😂
I got lucky and got Acheron e2s1 very quickly and boy does she hit like a truck. Running Gallagher/Pela/welt has be n gr8
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