Robert Williams I agree, and I’m Orthodox. To be fair though, there are an inordinate amount of sh@theads in the RCC that hurl endless grief and bad will towards us too. We both need to chill.
@@Erick_Ybarra Dear brother, thank you for your work and defense of our Lord's Church. Be strong and keep up the good fight, do not worry about the neurotics in the ortho personality cults, their movement is short lived and will not be here by the end of the decade. Rather, see the movement of the tide, a new understanding is unfolding of the Faith, namely one that is dynamic and evolutionary. This is where our conscious efforts must go to reconvert the West and revitalize our hierarchs who have succumb to the world. Your work is important because the only static constant the Church that evolves is the identify with the papal office. I know what I say sounds new and perhaps heretical, but I assure you it will not be.
One problem with unification with the Eastern Orthodox Church are all those monks in Mt. Athos who believe the Catholic Church is of the antichrist. I say we give up unification with the Eastern Orthodox Church and instead focus on unification with the Oriental Orthodox Church. I still remember to this day, how those monks in Mt. Athos excommunicated their own Ecumenical Patriarch Athenagoras I because he met with Pope Paul VI back then. Can you think of anything more preposterous?! As for the Eastern Orthodox Church, let's just wait for the second coming of Jesus Christ and let him do the unification.
That tendency to disavow seems to be so prevalent among the Orthodox that it always makes me wonder if they really do recognize an authority outside themselves. At what point do priests stop obeying their bishop; at what point do bishops stop obeying their metropolitan; at what point do metropolitans stop obeying their patriarch; at what point do the other patriarchs stop communing with Constantinople? Frankly, a primacy of honor seems to be so unauthoritative as to be meaningless, and the rejection of supremacy seems to trickle down to every level of the hierarchy.
yeah....that's why Eastern orthodox is in schism again 2018.... When will they learn that any organization in the world requires a leader...Even The Angels had ST. Michael as their leader...
If you think that the Roman Catholic Church does not possess the same amount of “division” as the Orthodox Church, then you are certainly taking massive swings of delusion from a vessel of your own quaint revisionism. You guys just paint things with a different color. Maybe both ends of this divide should stop being such assholes to each other and us laity should focus on working out our salvation where we are, no?
@@user-ii3zs2gr6u It seems like protestantism for me. Where is the principle laided down by St. Ignatius since the beginning of the apostolic age? Did your Patriarch signed an act of formal union with Rome, or it was only an "ecumenical" dialogue?
What I don't understand is why bother having councils if there is Roman supremacy? Were councils so optional that the other patriarchal churches weren't needed any longer? Nothing about this seems holding to any tradition. It just makes it seem like the most important episcopal tradition was the supremacy of the pope. Forgive me, but this is the salient point I'm getting after listening to your very nice exposition.
Exactly. Cardinals from the RC church have already admitted the ecclesiastical position of the Holy Orthodox Church and people just skim by it like it’s no biggie
Hey Erick! Have you heard of the Arabic Canons of Nicea? I wanted to get your thoughts on them. There's a negative consensus amongst Scholars but they can be dated as Early as the 5th century, with it being found in authorative collections in the Syriac Churches of the East. Even if they were forgeries it's quite compelling they originated in the East.
Will there be any more parts? I'm curious as to how you're gonna be able to respond to the Ecumenical Councils that Michael Whelton discusses, particularly the fact that the Pope didn't attend any of the 7 Ecumenical Councils, the fact that Honorius was anathematized for heresy, and the whole Three Chapters Controversy (in particular, how the 5th Ecumenical Council excommunicated Pope Vigilius on the basis of what appears to be an Ex Cathedra statement, and in which Pope Vigilius basically says "oops, sorry, didn't mean it")
Orthodoxy has the dogma of the ever virginity of Mary. From the 2nd Anathema of the Second Council of Constantinople: If anyone will not confess that the Word of God ... came down from the heavens and was made flesh of holy and glorious Mary, mother of God and ever-virgin, and was born from her: let him be anathema. Source: www.papalencyclicals.net/councils/ecum05.htm It would seem that it isn't a explicit dogma in the Oriental and Assyrian churches since they don't accept this council.
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well done.. some of the worst anti catholic prejudice comes from the so called Orthodox.
Robert Williams I agree, and I’m Orthodox. To be fair though, there are an inordinate amount of sh@theads in the RCC that hurl endless grief and bad will towards us too. We both need to chill.
@@Erick_Ybarra Dear brother, thank you for your work and defense of our Lord's Church. Be strong and keep up the good fight, do not worry about the neurotics in the ortho personality cults, their movement is short lived and will not be here by the end of the decade. Rather, see the movement of the tide, a new understanding is unfolding of the Faith, namely one that is dynamic and evolutionary. This is where our conscious efforts must go to reconvert the West and revitalize our hierarchs who have succumb to the world. Your work is important because the only static constant the Church that evolves is the identify with the papal office. I know what I say sounds new and perhaps heretical, but I assure you it will not be.
One problem with unification with the Eastern Orthodox Church are all those monks in Mt. Athos who believe the Catholic Church is of the antichrist. I say we give up unification with the Eastern Orthodox Church and instead focus on unification with the Oriental Orthodox Church.
I still remember to this day, how those monks in Mt. Athos excommunicated their own Ecumenical Patriarch Athenagoras I because he met with Pope Paul VI back then. Can you think of anything more preposterous?!
As for the Eastern Orthodox Church, let's just wait for the second coming of Jesus Christ and let him do the unification.
That tendency to disavow seems to be so prevalent among the Orthodox that it always makes me wonder if they really do recognize an authority outside themselves. At what point do priests stop obeying their bishop; at what point do bishops stop obeying their metropolitan; at what point do metropolitans stop obeying their patriarch; at what point do the other patriarchs stop communing with Constantinople? Frankly, a primacy of honor seems to be so unauthoritative as to be meaningless, and the rejection of supremacy seems to trickle down to every level of the hierarchy.
yeah....that's why Eastern orthodox is in schism again 2018.... When will they learn that any organization in the world requires a leader...Even The Angels had ST. Michael as their leader...
If you think that the Roman Catholic Church does not possess the same amount of “division” as the Orthodox Church, then you are certainly taking massive swings of delusion from a vessel of your own quaint revisionism. You guys just paint things with a different color. Maybe both ends of this divide should stop being such assholes to each other and us laity should focus on working out our salvation where we are, no?
Chad monks of Mt Athos vs heretical Patriarch Athenagoras
@@user-ii3zs2gr6u It seems like protestantism for me. Where is the principle laided down by St. Ignatius since the beginning of the apostolic age? Did your Patriarch signed an act of formal union with Rome, or it was only an "ecumenical" dialogue?
What I don't understand is why bother having councils if there is Roman supremacy? Were councils so optional that the other patriarchal churches weren't needed any longer? Nothing about this seems holding to any tradition. It just makes it seem like the most important episcopal tradition was the supremacy of the pope. Forgive me, but this is the salient point I'm getting after listening to your very nice exposition.
Exactly. Cardinals from the RC church have already admitted the ecclesiastical position of the Holy Orthodox Church and people just skim by it like it’s no biggie
Brother, just wanted to tell you that I appreciate your work. Well done! Keep it up, man.
Hey Erick! Have you heard of the Arabic Canons of Nicea? I wanted to get your thoughts on them. There's a negative consensus amongst Scholars but they can be dated as Early as the 5th century, with it being found in authorative collections in the Syriac Churches of the East.
Even if they were forgeries it's quite compelling they originated in the East.
Will there be any more parts?
I'm curious as to how you're gonna be able to respond to the Ecumenical Councils that Michael Whelton discusses, particularly the fact that the Pope didn't attend any of the 7 Ecumenical Councils, the fact that Honorius was anathematized for heresy, and the whole Three Chapters Controversy (in particular, how the 5th Ecumenical Council excommunicated Pope Vigilius on the basis of what appears to be an Ex Cathedra statement, and in which Pope Vigilius basically says "oops, sorry, didn't mean it")
Papal legates representing the pope attended all of those councils. And Bishop Athanasius Schneider has a good new article on the Honorius affair.
In fact it was the papal legate that prevented the heretical second council of Ephesus from being recognised as ecumenical.
Any updates on your pending book on the Papacy? I'll be first in line to purchase!
Read His Broken Body by Fr Laurent Cleenewerck
Erick T Ybarra what books do you recommend from the Catholic position Eric?
Erick T Ybarra Thanks pal.
@@shayneswenson How comes you changed your name from Baroque Revolt to Repin's Revolt?
Orthodoxy has the dogma of the ever virginity of Mary. From the 2nd Anathema of the Second Council of Constantinople:
If anyone will not confess that the Word of God ... came down from the heavens and was made flesh of holy and glorious Mary, mother of God and ever-virgin, and was born from her: let him be anathema.
Source: www.papalencyclicals.net/councils/ecum05.htm
It would seem that it isn't a explicit dogma in the Oriental and Assyrian churches since they don't accept this council.