Verbal lesson - Improving/working on basics. Things to ignore when trying to improve.
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This video goes over a lot of things that you should and shouldn't be concerning yourself with when trying to improve. A lot of topics ranging from champion pools, to macro decisions, to champion pools, and to "range" is discussed. It also touches on the question of skillceiling and realistic expected growth when trying to improve.
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"Do you actually want to improve or do you like the idea of improving?" That's a life question.
I think getting coached by LS would be a pretty scary experience. I'd walk out of fountain and he'd be like, "Excuse me? What are you doing? YOU'RE WASTING TI- oh my god, I'm not gonna explode on you, not gonna do it."
Isn't that a quote taken from his recent coaching of a bronze player? xP
OMG SAMMMMMMMMMEEEEE XD XDXD XD XD
Maki Shae which video is that
It's called Legend of the Blue-Eyes Whitefury Dragon or something. It was FUCKING HILARIOUS but also really good for learning basics
Zeergruush LOL IM GOING TO FIND IT ASAP
LS "what elo are you bc it sounds like low silver"
student "I'm plat"
LS (sighs for a few mins)
LOL
Thank u Adrian for recommending this vid.
This actually just changed my entire outlook on the game.
Do 10+ hour video on trading / warding! Gonna be intereseting
24 hour stream just to explain that could be fucking boring XD XD XD
Youssof Zayed nah but only hardcore players would watch it
Berrserkerr I would watch it and im not a hardcore Player
The "Oh I thought I was Karthus" cracked me up.
48:06 LS predicted the new name for the Pink Ward in S7.
Wasnt predicted. Riot has used a lot of pro’s either shortcuts or nicknames to name things in LoL!
This session is the most productive session I think I've witnessed from LS, the way he broke down improvement to this guy is super valuable and critical to do for every player that wants to improve.
"It's more of a control ward than a vision ward" Did league of legends seen this video or what ? :D
Holy shit
i like to eat strawberries from time to time
interesting
HOLY SHIT ME TOO
i died reading this comment
Doge cool
LS, here's a pitch:
Get 5 solo q players (gold-diamond). Put them on a ranked 5v5 team and coach them while streaming, like giving play-by-play guidance, it would be a great stream idea and also CZcams videos. (In hopes the team gets to high diamond or higher in ranked 5s)
+Gonda when you say it 3 times so it gets through
+Manish S 5v5 has been removed from the game
Nightblue did this on stream for like 2 weeks and they were super helpful streams
+Macho Luke didn't he try to carry them to diamond with giving advice how to not to feed their asses off so he could carry with only 1 of the 4 players went 1 tier higher.
The difference between gold and diamond is larger than the difference between gold and iron4
I understand this guy perfectly, It's the problem of understanding it in a lexical sense, Putting it into words etc, They just cannot verbalize it and they feel like they should be able to despite not knowing the reason so they can understand it. Biggest reccamendation is start hindering your fun, Stop making it mainly about the fun part, make it cut into your procrasinating time, Do much more if the unfun parts and think of a concept and tunnelvision on it. Im in the process of understanding how to improve and he is barley behind me from this roadblock. Biggest 2 that helped me:Coaching/analysis videos, And vod reviews. Boring, Unfun,Very informative, makes you giddy. Interchange between them. All this is to pay full attention to the game and understand more of it.
Im high btw, Grain of salt.
Hey LS, I really like your content. Been listening to this stuff at work and you really have taught me life lessons as well. Preach man 👏🏻
Wow this video was super informative! I love when you go into the depth of the micro aspects of the game, very interesting stuff thanks LS
1:40 very good analogy. One of your best LS
I think one of the problems with fundamentals is even if people know that trading for instance is important, they don't know how to. People can invest the time and effort into something, but if they keep practicing the wrong things they are honing wrong things.
Then how do you hone it correctly
Nuclear Confusion it doesn’t just come naturally for everyone
This guy is not coachable, which is sad because he is hiring a coach to get better. It sounds to me like he wants to be told specifics of what to do in every situation instead of understanding the basic principals and applying those tools to the situation. There is something like 147 champions in league and there is no way to go over every scenario. Let's say you actually do go over everything, congratulations the meta changes two weeks later. It's more important to learn how to think about league than what to think about league.
hey, i was just wondering if you could link me a video going in-depth as to what you're talking about. I'm a new player and want to get help understanding this game! :D i made it to silver II last season and im hoping to maybe hit plat?
@@girbanzobean Search for the Leaguecraft 101 series on CZcams and take some time to pratice between every episode you watch. You'll notice your fundamentals getting a real buff.
@@oliverbelmont5552 thank you! Will do :))
This poor dude is so depressed. :'(
+Okeanos Sokrates i know, its like he was afraid to speak up in fear of being judged or whatever, hehe
YEah I know what a loser lol
@@adamas9676 ???
@@adamas9676 stfu
Loved this verbal lesson. This guy had good questions and helped me learn quite a bit. Thanks
I'm quite sure I finally developed that active thought process to engage in battle.
I came from Smash (SUCKED hard, just a random ass Link Main, aspiring to go pro and won only one tournament) and never "thought" about how I approach a situation. I just made my habits run wild.
Same with League.
Now then finally LS came into my life and I immediately ran up to Diamond in a matter of 3 weeks - but I didn't develop much anyway. What really happened is that my refined approach for battle carried me through the ranks really easily, while being lifted by the basic approaches LS provides you with.
And now, I had that "epiphany". Analyzing, refining and honing the specifics of the basics is now easily readable for me - you name it, you teach it, you understand it. But what made me realize it? Casual Smash Bros. xD When I finally consistently beat my greatest rival and am better at the game now than him, reading his actions, predicting his approaches/reactions, punishing his movements...
Damn I'm so excited to play League.
Because I'm so back at slaughtering everything around me again.
My favorite thing about your vids is comparing League to Poker. I've done it since I started playing about 2 years ago and you're the only person I've found who does it. xD
As a support main, I appreciate this a lot.
It would be pretty awesome if you could organise a playlist with videos that go through the fundamentals.
This is very insightful I tend to only think of this against riven since i've played against her so much
these verbal lessons are awesome. you should sell a dvd of this stuff xD
When LS told him he doesn't think he can hit challenger the guy's spirit immediately hit rock bottom. Based on what he said earlier, about not knowing what he wants to do with his life, I can only assume he was entertaining thoughts of trying to go Pro. Hearing a coach you likely respect say he doesn't even think you can hit challenger, ouch.
+animagamer2 LS was bit to harsh on him Plat 3 after 1-2 years is not that bad if you take in account how much "better" players got since season 1. Where Silver 1 now would be top 5000 in s1 for sure. So if he keeps growing he can hit master/low challenger for sure.
animagamer2
In any serious competition the most talented and dedicated are at the top. This guy will probably never be faker no matter how hard he tries.
8 minutes in and I would say this is a highly important video. Should be pinned to your top videos or something
48:00 ls mentions it being a control ward confirmed he is time traveler
19:30 is such a valid point
Bro i had the same issues, i overcome that problem of trades playn a lot of chess, it really helped me gettin out this and helped me thinkin' of how to close a game
I really wish i discovered LS, when i was hype about refinement and maining champs. Some statements just hit hard, because although alot is "obvious" its, honestly not obvious if you just aren't seeing the issue.
The brick analogy reminded me of the Starcraft pyramid by teamliquid. Applies really well to LoL too.
Interessting. More of that really deep stuff pls.
I FINALLY got an answer to a matter that has been bothering me quite a while. And that is that well I tried 'smurfing' but honestly i couldnt do well at all compared to my own level of play which well tilted me because I am a really competetive player and my own faults does really make me frustrated... but the actual problem was that I am too fixated in that micro game/fundamentals which does matter at my own elo but I am a terrible at CSing, trading etc because I am a support main and secondary a jungler (supportive one) and i play through certain mind games and anticipations and put trust on my team which works well when i duo but well SoloQ is a disaster in low elo for me tbh... But I am happy now I discovered my weaknesses in detail and can fix them right away!
Thanks again LS your coaching sessions have given me so much not just in League but in life as well. I appreciate and respect you a lot
TL;DR Git gud at macro fundamentals scrub and learn to solocarry yo noobass
Especially i use this 'range' thing subconciously all the time
this focus on fundamentals is very important. And whenever my climbing stalls i rewatch this video. I wonder if this fundamentals thing is accross all competition
It is.
It is
Sports
Music
Gaming
Any type of hobby that has mastery with it
Every aspect of life
Going back to learn from gems 💎
I just played brainless to dia 5, then i realised people used their brains so i am now learning how to use my brain aswell.
36 ping is too much
You have internet there?
lol
198 ping isn't internet
With you on that one triple digit ping is a struggle and a half
@@sindikit9816 i play riven on 90
I love how he must casually yawns for like 20 seconds right after the guy explains what he wants
I love your tips and information. What do you say about this what happened in game: I was running near the bottom mid brush away from garen, he was close to me ( note i had ult back at raptors with my team mates literally near the brush and enemies in brush) so, i press R again and tp to my shadow and enemies from the brush start attacking me and my teammates who are right near the brush literally wait till i die to start attacking the enemies! There was lux from my team, who could've atleast binded for me to run away. And this is gold 4. I just feel like im covered by bronzes even tho it say's they're golds.
The Reason i subscribed Last Shadow 9!
Crydal this dude predicted the LS meme between casters three years in advance
Just a couple of small questions:
What exactly is the difference between damage foresight and range/matchups? One is rated fundamental and the other is rated advanced, but from my perspective they seem to be very closely related.
Apart from that it wold be great to have some kind of tier list for the fundamentals. Are there certain fundamental skills that build the foundation for others and that should be practiced at first when you are a rather new player? And inside the particular fundamentals, is there maybe also some kind of sub-skill-tier list that you can work on in order to make your progress more effective?
In my youth I played table tennis for ten years and I've got the time in mind when I started to learn it. Fundamentals are someting like how to properly hold your racket, how to stand in anticipation of the ball, then the different actions like counter, top spin, slice, block, service, "foot-work" (starting with the simple side-step, later more complicated stuff like cross-steps etc.) and so on, but still it makes sense to practive i.e. those actions that don't require to control the spin of the ball before starting with something more complicated (but still fundamental). I think that it would be helpful to get some kind of a practical order into league-training, too - especially in the beginning, when it is still pretty hard for a player to keep all these things in mind at the same time.
Damage foresight is knowing how much damage (obviously estimated) you deal with certain action, for example you know that you can chunk (roughly, idk I dont play annie) 90% of enemy's health if at lvl 6 as annie you r ignite qw and some autos. Range from what I understood is what your enemy is capable of doing but by "enemy" I don't mean enemy champion but rather the player. Having good understanding of range would be for example: I play thresh and my enemy is walking towards east. I know that this player is a good and normally I'd throw q towards where hes walking but because he's good, there's big chance that he's going to dodge the hook, so the good idea would be throw q to the opposite side of where he's walking (because we assume, he's going to dodge).
There's no "tierlist" for fundemantals per se, they're all very important and essential for becoming decent player but I know what you're trying to ask. First coach endorsed by LS recommends starting from csing then trading, mouse accuracy and speed, minimap awareness and warding. I wrote "and" because these fundamentals are more or less connected, there's no reason to learn warding if you're not going to look at the map and spot enemy xd. When it comes to spacing I'd say that it's a part of csing. You need good spacing to have good cs numbers. Damage foresight, combos and cookie cutter build orders was never something I'd actively think about during the game. In my opinion first 2 just come from experience and third one you can just check or ask some otp.
Yes, your analogy to table tennis makes a lot of sense, there are some fundamentals that just should be learned first and I wrote these down for you. Csing is first because why learn anything else, if you're just weak all the time because of lack of gold and xp? first learn csing, then learn how to deny your opponent csing (trading) then improve at it (clicks) and make sure nothing comes in your way (minimap awareness and warding).
I hope it makes sense.
@@markizu1 Thanks alot for the reply! I stopped playing league years ago, but I am sure that's still very helpful for active players. :)
"You shouldn't be playing games to just ""Have Fun""" -LS 2016
I mean if you are paying so much money to have someone coach you, you probably want to improve and sometimes things you do for improvement arent fun and you have to play the game intensely thinking not just passively
Do you have a video talking with more detail about the fundamentals?
yo LS, you should try using an Improvisation analogy to explain why people cant follow guides like they're gospel. the players have to learn to improvise to every detail about the game/matchups/comp etc
@lastshadow9 hey man i like ur way of explaining stuff and your advices go beyond lol as far as my experience goes.
can u make a list of the fundamentals of the jungle role? i thought a bit about it my self, but it comes down to shit like counterganks right? im talking about the things that matter to a gold1 player (s5).
Man I feel stupid watching ls he always seems right Ive been bronze since s3-s4
idk why age is a big deal. someone is 23 so they can't click a mouse anymore?? daigo umehara is 34 and still smashing everyone in fighting game tournaments
+Ciel It's not about playing the game. It's that people at that age usually have already developed other responsabilities in life, be it finishing a degree, working a job, or even as far as having a wife or something. They cannot dedicate their lives to playing a game 24/7 like a 16 year old with no responsabilities besides high school or something to worry about. They can devote much more effort and time into the game as opposed to someone in their 20s.
Yes, age matters. Your reaction time goes down as you age. Your can still click a mouse but not as fast as other people. Ofc there are some exceptions like Bernard Hopkins boxed until he was old as shit, but they are exceptions to the rule
Honestly, it all depends on the person. Using an age blanket in any situation is never a good idea. My reaction time has honestly improved over time. Mostly because instead of reacting I try to think about what happens so I can be prepared to act beforehand. Therefore when I do react it is faster only because I'm prepared to react.
mcstreamer9 Reaction time doesn't matter a much in a game like league especially in LCS actually. POB even confessed that his reaction time his terrible, but he predicts everything a few seconds before it happens so he s always able to respond
Pros just get burnt out inevitably imo. Daigo is still good because of his passion. I dont see league is more reflex intensive than fighting games.
About the ping question; although anyone would rather play on the lowest ping possible, do you believe it is that big of an edge to play on near zero ping versus let's say 50 ping, considering input buffering in league of legends?
I might just be a lowly pleb but it was my understanding that as long as you get the timings right, you can input buffer any combo so long as you are comfortable with your ping.
In other words; If i wanted to land an insec with 100 ping, i should be able to do it as easily as someone with zero ping so long as i am familiiar playing with 100 ping and comfortable timing each commands 100 micro seconds behind the animation.
I might be misguided on this but i'd love to hear your thoughts on this.
Otherwise, great video. Looking foward to more of these and live streams.
LS talks about the guy that climbed in diamond really fast in a coaching sesion, does anyone have the link of the video to watch that sesion?
You mentioned Melee around 36:00. I know this is unlikely, but are you involved with Melee at all? You have so much insight and Melee/League are the two games I play very much.
How do you know that your playing on Auto Pilot?
Would 18 to 22 ping be pretty solid? I live pretty close to the server in NA. A recent change to my connection allows it to spike from 160 to 400, usually around 220... just about everything that I do when playing a champion I main stops working.
What is the video you are referring to at 18:00 ?
Lowkey subliminally telling us to jump off a bridge. Aye Aye master! jk
God Bless
Wow! This guy's problem is just like mine!
love this video i feel like I am not the best i could be cause i do all the things you said don't matter and is counter productive to my progress.
is he fiddeling with poker chips?
only 40k views? whisky tango foxtrot soldiers! this is brilliant
PD: hey LS if you ever delete this video I will find you hehe
Regarding the fundamentals LS. Many coaches including you always throw out advice for low elo players regarding improving the fundementals with lower mechanically intensive champions so more focus can be directed at them. Does playing these champions allow you to passively develop fundementals better because you can only rely on fundementals or are these champions easy enough mechanically that you can spend more time actively improving fundementals.
I can see this both ways but also being very situational to the players. I'd just like to hear you elaborate on this.
+The Jack of All Trades (miserax4) The idea behind playing easier champs is that you can focus on things that skills that carry over (fundementals). Also I don't understand your question.
+The Jack of All Trades (miserax4) The idea behind playing easier champs is that you can focus on things that skills that carry over (fundementals). Also I don't understand your question.
Meh if u feel like playing lee sin or zed play it even on bronze.You will take more time to improve, but u will improve+any way if u want to go pro on esport you have to learn lee sin, kalista and other complex champions anyway.
Anyway it comes down to personal preference. Ill rather stay at my elo and climb slower enjoying lee sin than playing kayle and just right click over things but scaling faster.
Who came out with the video about Group discussions And coaching? I couldnt really hear it clearly even after replaying it a lot of times...
General Question here ive always wondered about.
I think many players cannot get better at the game because of the abundance of information theyre getting about the game, they cant really see whats important or whats not, and it hinders their focus.
So, in your opinion, would it be better for a new player to play the game completely isolated from outside information?
As example:
Ive noticed for instance that during my drum lessons I selflearn advanced techniques that I didn't know existed just by getting a feel for it. I think im hindered in LoL because I keep overthinking things, which I myself cant do with drumming.
+FF He tells you to pick mechanically easy champs and think about the game, not to get outside information and base
your knowledge off of that. Lol.
Watching this video 3 years later
Those non - fundamental things feel kinda fundamental today
Can someone make timestamps?
thanks!
the old league icon looked so much better lol
Ay nick, small mistake on description, " from champion pools to macro, to champion pools...", otherwise nice video once again bro. :)
is spacing like the distance you keep from the enemy and your allies?
Yes. It's a term that originates from fighting and then fighting games.
i fucking love ls
"You don't play games to have fun" well DUH DOI
I wanna get gud so I will try harder. Thx for making these vids.
ur photo is teem just quit the game unless ur practicing ur ward placements cause teemo helps
Thiago Ascef chill I don't even play teemo. I just use this pp to trigger people
What is cookie cutter build order and spacing?
Cookie cutter build order is like buying basically the same stuff each game like on ashe u'd usually take IE Runaans PD LDR and maybe BotRK/Mercurial/GA. Spacing is keeping your distance from someone considering their abilities' ranges and their auto-attack range. Staying out of range of the enemy makes it harder for you to get ganked and harder to get traded on.
You know what I mean?
do you still offering coaching
BASED some pros still don't know how to build
bwipo based
I think roaming should be in the fundamentals because it is used either to start getting back from a bad matchup or that you snowball your advantage. I have lost many games because i didn't start roaming early enough.
+Kaizen There are many champions that don't need to roam, so no.
+Kaizen I would say he doesn't put it there because if you look at what he says fundamentals, it's universal to all champions. Roaming, there's champs that want to roam and champs that don't and also depending on those champs you also have to think on when and how, so it's too specific. Instead, the basics are universal, trading for example is something every champ does and you have to understand it with everyone, the same for the other basics.
+Kaizen Imo roaming doesn't fall under fundamentals because it depends so much on the Meta
Nikolaj Sørensen Meta has nothing to do with roaming. Roaming is pure game knowledge.
Roaming? Too boring to me. Ill just pick tryn and say my team that well meet again at the nexus: theirs or ours.
I want to ask: if roaming is NOT a fundamental skill, how do we carry games where the other laners get fed? Is it not effective to spread our influence across the map?
You can't worry about other lanes if you can't confidently win lanes first.
if you have all those fundamentals perfected you can just push mid and end the game until like mid diamond. Learning how to roam helps, but it's not a think you have to 100% focus on when you cant even lasthit yet
The thing he want's from us is that we concentrate on the other skills. If you roam a lot, that might win you some games, but you don't improve your fundamentals, so you probably someday hit a plateau a lot sooner than you would if you worked on your fundamentals first. So yes roaming can make you climb, but it is not the optimal way to improve if you focus on roaming.
Adrian Riven brought me here!
BurstFire... Last shadow lowkey dropping a PSO refrence
LS Please make guides!
LMAO!!
I would never go and get a coach to watch over my shoulder while playing...
I really hate live commentary to my gameplay and the only thing it would make me do, was get me nervous and fuck everything up xD
But disscussions like that are pretty interesting.
Did he get to challenger tho???
Not done with the video, but around when he wants to know about how to trade (or learn how and when to do it), I'd like to think that what he needs is simply to watch pros play the matchups (only laning phase) through vods, since he can then confirm what part he does is right, what is wrong AND learn to think about trading in more unconventional ways (maybe this falls under cheese, but still think it's useful). And the word "confirm" here is important because this guy seems like he knows somewhat what to do, but just need that extra kick to get it into his brain that the right things he is doing is RIGHT, so it for him stays there as a "rule" (This is basically what then becomes ur fundamentals with trading) in the future if that makes sense haha. This is one of the methods I've been using and i ended Master on EUW. Not that that means what I'm saying is right, but i hope it at least can help this guy or some ppl :)
^ Yeah sometimes you just gotta reasure yourself of some things I think that's the best way to do it. I'm like this too. What I do is I reevaluate my strategie if I'm trading enough, taking cs at the same time etc. I can also watch what pros do on my champ that's the best way. Like apdo said, you don't need to come up with everything yourself just watch someone better than you and try to take some things from them into your own playstyle.
This is totally accurate. Another way to do this is to review your own personal VODs with an especially critical mind - basically questioning the origins of unfavorable positions you found yourself in during the game - although for most (for example, the guy in the video and others that he says play the game like a fighter/shootemup) this is a very difficult process.
27:55 what elo is he? I cannot understand.. just curious..
Zoltar Petr platinum
What does he mean when he says "don't you ever look at the lane and be like, I want these minions but what else can I get?"
Purpl what he meant is, for example, if a minion's about to die and you want to kill it, is there a more efficient way of doing so or get more advantage out of it.
In relation to the video, decent viktor players would think about E'ing the minion while also doing damage onto the enemy champion or auto attacking the enemy to manipulate the minion wave.
Purpl fk sorry, was in a rush so the grammar was fucked up
+lastshadow9 Is there a big difference between 17 ping and 7 ping?
+xboxfullauto1000 There's a 10 milliseconds difference obviously, now I wouldn't call that a big difference...
okay but Here is the point: some people might want to know what to do makrowise anyway, regardless if it's important. It just feels better to have a clue what's going on in theory, even on low elo. It's the same as for mechanically intense champions. (eg. i'm riven Main and destroyed a Fiora toplane( 3/0, 50 cs ahead). then she swapped with the enemy adc and I kept killing the adc and pushing but couldn't push properly bec it was rly early into the game and sivir could catch the Wave after she died almost instantly due to the the small death-timer and due to the fact that the wave was pushed almost into my tower when i killed her. anyways: Fiora got so fed bot doublekills over and over), that i couldn't face her anymore at some point(after 5-10 mins). Now i'm asking myself over and over if it was the right decision to stay top or if it was just unlucky. That's the kind of stuff lowelos think about and i'm sure u could help us out there.
Thank u for reading and I enjoy ur vids a lot ;D
Macro is a team-skill, you can't use that in soloQ, maybe ranked 5s
Who is Burstfire?
+Harrison King Check ls video when he tlaks with a OCE coach ( video is about 2h long but burstfire is the OCE "coach")
Please follow up with him!
So what exactly are the jungle fundamentals?
Jungle isn't for learning fundamentals.
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
No "uhhh". If you can't trade, ward, control your mouse, cs etc. then you shouldn't jungle.
so wrong :D
I have serious issues with nervousness and bad reflexes. Is there any chance that I can reach Gold 1 without being to able to outplay every opponent in a 1v1?
I am currently Silver 1 and won most of my games in mid by simply not dying too much.
+SystemHatVersagt You don't need good reflexes to get gold, it's like LS always says man, fundamentals! If you CS well, ward properly, watch the minimap and know your champion you will improve.
Yes you can.
+SystemHatVersagt I was diamond 4 last season and I have very poor outplay mechanics compared to other people in my tier. I just know what fights I can take and focus on objectives.
+SystemHatVersagt I know where you're coming from man... I've been playing this game for 5 years and played ranked for 4 and since that very first ranked game I would shiver, my teeth would clatter, and I would get goosebumps. I peaked at Master tier 170 pts still having those nerves. And I'll tell you right now, almost everybody who plays this game has slow reflexes. A lot of it is just prediction. So if an ADC can predict when a malphite ults, he will just flash before it. This is to say with almost every player I've seen play this game with the few exceptions (box box, faker[not all but just the few i've seen.])
I have horrible reflexes and i reached gold, i don't think it prevents you from clear climbing specifically (there is always prediction)
''you shouldnt be playing games to have fun''
taken out of context this sounds hilarious
anyone can give me a brief explanation of what LS means by spacing? :v
SHUUYA Gouenji distance between u and opponent
Wait... 36 Ping and you cannot do certain things with Ezreal or even Tahm? what ping do you need for these combos? And what combos is he talking about? Just curious, what i COULD try to do if i get ever a certain ping (30 atm) :D
there are special comobos/animation-cancel-stuff you can only do with a low ping
reading these ping numbers as average is painful
So I keep looking at fundamentals and improve mine and I can go up to Challenger? (serious question)
You can get to diamond. Anything more are cheeses/counterpicks/meta etc.. basically non-fundementals
@@banjoleb lol that late reply. I dont even play league anymore. However I would recap that in fact cheeses etc help but fundamentals like csing and map awareness are still bad in diamond. Improving those skills will get you to challenger. Obviously the higher it is more likely that other people are „almost perfect“ in those areas too
@@Nik-nh2xt well the game isn't about being perfect, in diamond for instance most players have a better mastery of the fundamentals than plat and gold players and that's enough to be a diamond player.
The same goes for challenger players who don't necessarily need to be perfect at the fundamentals either, they're just slightly better (and this slightly is indeed what makes the difference at such a high skill level). Perfect skill would be watching an ai playing the game, never missing on trading whenever appliable, spacing accurately, csing whatever cs is worth going for etc...
Who the hell is "thoren"? Can someone link the video? 17:50 is where LS mentions him.
Thorin? Look up thorin's thoughts
You don’t know who Thorin is?! You just really not give a shit 🤣
48:04 It's much more a control ward than a vision ward. predictions.
If theirs one thing I'd like to remind him is that when their explaining the small things don't matter like ur adc farm or whatever and the bricks, well.. let's say that adc that's Not farming well or feeding, let's say their the cement paste to fit ur bricks together, specially in low elo.. counter picking is a big thing to, it's a TEAM game theirs only so much you can do on your own and the rest is just made up of luck and hopfully you can master the fundamentals so well farming csing warding "roaming" in my opinion matters a LOT to help you get carry, but mastering those in this season "8" it's nearly impossible to carry by yourself, grab urself a premade hone ur skills and hope to climb
okay but Here is the point: some people might want to know what to do makrowise anyway, regardless if it's important. It just feels better to have a clue what's going on in theory, even on low elo
"It's much more of a CONTROL WARD."