Comparison of classical guitars, Spain V England V France!!
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Spanish
3:04-4:20 Paco Santiago Marin 12:13
6:11- 6:37 Antonio Marine Monteiro (cedar) 11:05
7:11 - 7:38 Antonio Marine Monteiro (spruce) 11:30 47:10
8:26 - 8:44, 9:56 John Ray of Granada 11:55
English
21:13, 21:48-22:02 Simon Ambridge 2009 27:45, 48:08
22:49, 24:50 Gary Southwell (Hauser 1 reproduction, R. Augustin J.Bream copy) 28:58
25:39, 26:03 Pablo Requina (UK) 28:26
French
Dominique Field 40:24, 44:34,
38:25, Jean Noel Rohe 44:13
38:00 Dominique Delarue 43:31
33:02 Daniel Friedrich 43:04, 45:55
My favourite:
1) Antonio Marin Montero - Cedar-
2) Paco Santiogo Marin
3) Simon Ambridge
Thank you both for the time and effort expended in producing this truly interesting and educational video.
Thanks Geoff. I'm hoping to do a new series of videos on the subject soon.
I love this guys voice, I could listen to him all day!
Nice video, some more info on different strings on the guitars would have been nice but I appreciate that isn't what the vid was posted for.
excellent video! i learned a bit more about the world array of classical guitars. thanks for uploading this video.
Thanks Shad. Glad you liked it, I always learn a lot talking to Miles....
Very interesting details and valuable work .Thank you..
Very nice video although shame about the volume problem. It would be great to have a similar video regarding classical guitars in the £500 - £1500 price band for us mere mortals on a lower budget!
I would be interested in hearing what he would pick.
What a pleasure to hear such wonderful musicianship on some of the most finely crafted and well made classical guitars in the world..an aural delight..thank you
Glad you liked it, Adibarum. You may be interested to know that early this year we will be filming another similar film, possibly including German guitars.
Fascinating and so informative. Thank you.
Excellent - wonderful to see (and hear) an unbiased view -very useful. Thanks for your time.
This news makes your film all that much more important. Please thank him for his expertise and fair understanding. I rate this as one of the greatest films I’ve seen on the subject. I truly feel fortunate that the guitar world has excellent people such as you two. Maximum Positivity.
That's so kind. I'll let Miles know thank you.
Fantastic video! So much great information-I learned a lot!
Thanks for watching 👍
Thank you for this excellent lecture. Bravo!
amazing film. The only complaint was the audio. A couple of lav mics could have gone a long ways to cleaning this up. One lav for the interviewer, one for the interviewee would have allowed you to set the mic level for the guitar static for the whole film instead of up and down as it was and distorting half the time.
Considering the level at which you guys are discussing audio quality, you'd think you'd have a little more care to your audio capture for video.
I really liked the French guitars at the end, but I couldn't tell if it had more sustain or just the way the mic was picking it up because the levels kept changing.
I play a chinese smallman replica, which sounds nice but definitely doesn't have the richness of these guitars in the mids and lows. Brilliant, shimmery highs though. I'm budgeting 5 grand for my next guitar, except I'd probably want to actually travel to Europe to buy it, so probably 5 grand for that too!
Very interesting, thanks for posting...
I really enjoy your videos this is cool. I have seen 2 videos now on guitar this on differences in guitar makers from different parts of the world. the other was determining on a guitar to purchase. thanks i learned some stuff today
Thanks. Have you seen my exploring the minefield video yet? You'd find that useful I think.
@@davidjaggs I dont think so, I'm interested. My current Classical I am using is a La Patrie, collection, by Godin, and suts me for now. Its has a good sound for the most part. It sounds G at 3 fret when I tap on the strings like in the video. I would like the treble strings to be louder or well brighter. I use the pro arte EJ46 with it. Kind of like to upgrade so doing some research. thanks
Try this, might save you a few thousand! czcams.com/video/143PUhyh-NM/video.html
@@davidjaggs watched the minefield going to re watch thanks. its difficult to decide what to purchase lol. there are some main stuff to consider. Student models can be anywhere from 1200.00 US up to 4,000.00 US after that your getting into the pro level b from 5000.00 on up
Fascinating to come back to this video after 9 months! You asked a question, David, at the end "which would you choose?" Well I've played on a Ramirez Cedar/Indian Rosewood since 1990 (scary to think 25 years!) and am currently starting to look around for my next guitar. I think, of the guitars shown here, I would go with the Antonio Marin Montero...or something quite similar to that. I love the Spanish sound, but probably will be looking at a Spruce top this time; for a change! haha I would LOVE to see/hear a Marin Montero vs Ramirez comparison, if you ever get chance to do one. That would be totally fascinating!
+Gary Ormond Gary, check a Yulong-Guo Chamber Guitar, Spruce or Cedar. The best price performance you can find. I love Anonio Marín, but prices are in the clouds.
Really interesting presentation.
Your sound is excellent on the recordings. How did you obtain such a good sound?
Regards
Per Lindhof
The Paco Marin has a sweet romantic sound. The Ambridge gas a lovely deep bass.The Marins are very good sounding guitars.
Thanks for posting this. Really excellent to watch, if you're thinking of buying a good guitar. Best description I've seen. And makes me want to buy from Kent Guitars. Stand-outs for me were Friedrich and Ambridge. (The guitars I can't afford). I love my Peter Barton.
Thank you David and Miles for this. I've enjoyed your other classical guitar comparisons too. Your playing of Granada has inspired me to do more work on it but I'm not so happy with the arrangement I'm using (Julian Byzantine). I'd really appreciate it if you'd recommend one for me.
Well, Kent Guitar Classics for a start, and Stafford Guitar Centre too, just two from England. There are several dealers and specialist guitar centres in the US as well, such as Guitar Salon and Guitars International.
This was a real treat... thank you so much for bringing this very informational video to us! I have learned so much regarding the character, tone color, projection, and bass by your demonstration. I am admittingly a cedar kind of guy... I love the richness and romantic nature of that particular sound. However, I've come away with a genuine appreciation of spruce for its clarity and punchiness. I could see how spruce would be preferred for polyphonic lines and pieces in which the musical line needs to be brought out. In effect, I want one of each, haha!
One of each.. sounds like a plan! Thanks for watching 👍
I preferred the tone of the Antonio Marin Montero from Southern Spain. I felt that it had more tonal color. But heck, they were great sounding guitars.
Thanks for that.
I do like the answer from Miles at the beginning. He is a gentleman.
This is an excellent video. Please continue the discussion as proposed at the end. Also, where can one find a comprehensive history of classical guitar making - either web or print? Thanks.
Kop Prophet I hope to do another in April. . Thanks!
A taste for every one. It is wonderful that you have explained the sound of each guitar I have found it useful in understanding my own instruments better.
I like the sweeter sounding Spanish guitar.
Great video & honest opinion. My favourite guitar of the moment is flamenco by Andalusian Guitars. I would say I'm very biased towards this sound, but i found this video refreshing. A super range of sounds and volumes. Very educational. Loved the playing too.
Wonderful video to showcase what a guitar buyer should look for when buying a 'box', like maestro Bream used to call them.
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Hi Lindhofguitar. Thanks for the comments. I use two mics, one SE1a for the fretboard side, and an SE2200a for the other side, pointing just to the left of the soundhole. (Too boomy otherwise.) For some of my recordings I hire Nuemann U87s which are even better, and the other thing is to record at 24 bit rather than 16. Hope this helps.
I need to visit that guitar shop!!!
I bought a Cashimera Guitar from Miles many years ago, He was great to deal with and I love my guitar still Thx Miles
Miles..... Wonderful man!
Gracias por su instruccional video.
This is such an important video. Thank you for making it. I can’t imagine that you could have found a better commentator, my greatest thanks to him for being so open minded and excellent.
Thanks. It's sad that he will be retiring. I hope there will be someone else as knowledgeable to take his place but......
@@davidjaggs Is Miles retiring?! What will happen to the "shop"?
He's not selling the business. He was "the business". His knowledge, patience and endless supply of tea and biscuits! The shop is no more sadly. A huge loss.
So many beautiful, fine guitars. I want them all! ALL!!!! Even though I suck at classical guitar.
Interesting discussion and a very enjoyable comparison of some terrific guitars. I would probably plump for the Friedrich or the Ambridge. If you are doing some German guitars in your next video would love to hear an Oldiges up against a Dammann, think it would be a really interesting comparison.
Allan Hogg It certainly would. It's a question of what is in stock at the time though. Oldiges are like Hauser, Dammann.. I've never tried....
27:46 "Le Decameron Noir" 1st movement "El Arpa Del Guerrero" (literally translated Warrior Harp) by Leo Brouwer
Excellent review... When is the comparison of classical guitars, American V German V Japanese V Other places!! ;)
Another fine piece of work, I'll take them all
What a great survey and discussion. I get a real kick out of the pricing, just looking at the Sicca's website (Anna Vidovic plays one, I think.) (the interviewee should be mic'd because he had so much insight to offer and I had to turn on closed caption... this happens often, unfortunately.) The playing at the end of the interview was lovely. Classical guitar is so intimate.
Gary Bowen I'm going to do another this year.. any suggestions! ?
Hi! DPJFILMS,
Lovely interview. Just mic both the interviewer and interviewee with a wireless lavalier mics. You seem to have really nice recording equipment on the guitars already. Tony and Chelsea Northrup (here on youtube: czcams.com/video/b7N5SniJ5Dk/video.html) do a great review of them. (I have no vested interest in the Northrup's save they do some great gear reviews for digital video equipment.)
A very pleasant way to spend 50 mins! I rather liked them all but was surprised by the sound of the Montero at the end as I thought the English then the French guitars sounded better and better. Would be interesting if you played some in the dark so we can't see the makes of the guitars and then do a reveal at the end, might take away some of our preconceptions and leave it all to our ears!
Could you please tell me which specific model of the Paco Santiago Marin guitar was used in the video? Thanks in advance
Friederich is velvety and balanced with very focused sound, Rohe too, Field is a canon, Ambridge has the deepest voice of them all, Montero has lovely trebles but i cannot say the same for the bases, Paco Marin i thing has everything at a good balance, deep voice, loud bases, focused highs.
Some of the more mass produced Spanish makes like Admira can come in at that. I always recommend my students get those when they are after guitars in that price range.
thank you for the excellent comparison.
what is piece of music played by Mr. Jaggs with spainish guitar?
California has all of that plus some. The USA SoCal luthiers have the Mexican Paracho heritage and the knowledge from the California universities sharing knowledge taken from all over the world too. For a lower price sometimes
I agree with you. Just listen to Forbes Henderson playing the Bach Chaconne on his Simon Ambridge guitar. A most wonderful sound.
It's a question of what's in stock at the time, Miles turns the stock around quickly, so there will be different instruments from week to week. If you want to hear a lovely Ramirez check out my last two John Mills clips, (Scriabin and New Album now available). Thanks for your interest.
It is "El mestre", Catalan Folksong, arranged by Miguel Llobet.
I tried many guitars before I bought a Rafael Mardones Diaz (Chile) TIS (Spruce) It was rather 'brassy' when I bought it 3 years ago but has 'Matured' and sounds much better.. hopefully will mellow even more.
A very interesting video but a little disappointing in so much that there are a few "big beasts" missing from the comparison, which personally it would have been wonderful to hear contrasted against these great instruments. It's a shame that we are missing any Madrid school guitars (Ramirez, Contreras, Bernabe) or indeed any American or Australian instruments.
If it were possible, I'd love to see such a video created at some point.
Tremendously informative and entertaining; thanks so much.
They all sound great but my vote would have to go to the English. For investment, clearly the Field.
All of these guitars are very expensive, some astronomically so. Would be great to do a vid showing what you get for the extra outlay - i.e. cheaper instruments vs midrange, vs expensive.
I visit my sister in law in Spain and have been told of the Joan Cashimira factory near to where she lives. How good are their guitars? I am looking at the 130 model.
Αll of the tested guitars ,sound beautifully.
But,which of them were easier to play???
(btw ,apart from your balanced and skillful playing, I very much like the characteristics of your Rohe guitar )
Nice video and playing buddy.
Oh, I see you attended school and are a famous player, no wonder. lol.
Here I am thinking you are some random youtuber, such as myself!
Thanks!
In the Czech Rep.also very good guitars are made or in Germany, Switzerland, Australia, Slovakia, Finland, Japan, etc.
Old Casa Nunez guitars from Buenos Aires
Have a different sound...even though they
Were crafted mostly by Spanish Exiles. Why, I HV no idea.
Is there a video comparing guitar strings?!
Wow, did I get something out of that!!
😀👍
I like the Hauser styles from England
I love the bass tones of the Hauser! What strings would you advise for bringing out rich bass tones on a run of the mill Spanish guitar?
I've always loved the D'addario Pro Arte series. EJ45s. You might wish to experiment with the higher tension version if you are looking for punchy basses.
@@davidjaggs I live in Southern Spain so my guitar is a Flamenco, so from what I gather, the top is rather thin so I'm think I'll have to give the high tensions a miss, probably end up deforming the top! I always associated D'Addarios with electric guitars ( that's what I normally play) but I'm trying to educate myself in the noble art of classical guitar. A very rewarding experience even though I'm a bit ham fisted at it! Anyway, thank you for replying and maybe someday I'll own a real classic guitar ( see if I can sneak one in between the Tele and the SG!!)
my guitar is made by Galin Penev from Bulgaria.Fantastic Luthier!
Hi What a pleasure to hear such wonderful musicianship. What is the name of the song you were playing around 11:02 while playing the Antonio Marin Montero Cedar guitar?
Thanks. It's Granada by Isaac Albeniz
@@davidjaggs do you happen to know what piece Miles played around 6:29?
@@no-rq7fp Yes, it's El Mestre, a Catalan folk song by Llobet. Here it is played by the man himself in 1925! czcams.com/video/vZMs5Xqx0p4/video.html
@@davidjaggs Of course it is! Not sure I've come across this one but I've defenitely heard his catalan melodies before. Cheers, great video!
Well that's a start, there are quite a few. Partly it might depend whether you would need to actually play a guitar before ordering or buying, lots of people seem to be happy not to - whereas I like to know my luthiers personally! If you might want to order a guitar specially and are happy to wait, try Googling the various names to find their websites. Oh and my youtube channel features one of the luthiers in this video :-)
Classical Guitar Heaven. Thank you CGSNI.
for comparison
11:03 27:46 43:02
Antonio Maren Montero
What was played at 27:46? Great production by the way. Thank you.
It's Leo Brouwer, El decameron negro. Thanks for watching 👍
David is such a tasty player. Great tone, wonderful phrasing and over all finesse!
For me and my ear:
1.Ambridge
2.Freidrich
3.Marin
Tasty! Nice with a few chips! Thanks for watching 👍
Hi David,
Do any of the top luthiers make cutaway models or is this a big no-no (I dont think I have ever seen a pro use a classical cutaway)? Might be a bit beneath you but would love to see a (like-for-like) cutaway/non-cutaway comparison. Plenty on youtube for steel strings but couldnt find one with classical guitars.
Any plans on selling tabs for "Bring him home"?
+Matt M Hi there. I'm not aware of any of the top luthiers doing this, but I'm sure someone will correct me! Trying my best for Bring Him Home.
charlie hunter ground
Gary Southwell
Not to mention amazing Mexican Cypress.
I thought that you shouldn't hang guitars on the wall. Best kept in the case, or am I wrong.?.
OMG..!!! I'm just in love with the Marin Montero Cedar he played to show what astounding clarity some cedar tops can have... I'm absolutely mooning over it... Them strings pulling at my soul... But i understand how rare this can be... Generally i never like cedar they are too warm for me like, i don't like how the finger slide sounds on them... but in spruce its so much more uniform and love its sweetness and clarity... but this guitar has changed my opinion... But it must be so rare and expensive like 6000 to 10,000 $ i will be damned.. T____T Anybody knows shuch unique models of cedar with good clarity but for cheaper price... Would love to have it... :(
This video is great. I learned a lot. It is a pitty that they do not include LATIN AMERICAN - ARGENTINA, BRAZIL, MEXICO - OR JAPANESSE GUITARS. BY THE WAY, CHINESSE LUTHIERS ARE MAKING GREAT GUITARS. Check Yulong-Guo Double top Cedar or Spruce Master Concert Guitars for 2 k Euros
+MIKE HURTADO I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU. I AM A PROUD REP OF MR. YULONG IN MEXICO. THE DOUBLE TOP CHAMBER MODEL IS SO GRAET! AND FOR 4 THOUSAND DLLS... SHE HAS NO RIVAL.
Of course in other countries there are magnificent luthiers, that´s the case of CHILIQUINGA in Ecuador.
I'd like to buy a guitar up to 700 euros (I could be flexible) that works for bossa nova, and it would be good if it'd work also for the progressive "fingerpicking" sounds of, for exemple, Silvio Rodriguez or José González. It would be amazing if you could help me a little. Thanks in advance and great video I must say, I have learned a lot!
Excuse me, what year was that Dominique Field built? what year was Southwell? thank you!
I'm sorry Alexis I have no idea.. the film was shot about 8 or 9 years ago.. if you look at Kent guitar classics previous sales you may be able to work it out. Thanks for watching.
@@davidjaggs thanks!!
stunning sound of all guitars here...
What's the piece called that Miles plays on each guitar?
SimonAldridge for me please!! peerless.
Hi Dave, I'm back at playing after 10 years. Long, sad story. I can't spend much on a classical guitar, but I ran into an offer for $300 (including hard case) for a close to immaculate Artista Segovia Classical Guitar made in Spain. Is that a good guitar for practice? It has cedar top I noticed, and seems to have a good reputation among us small pocketed penny-savers, but I am not too keen on J.B. Player guitars since they seem to offer cheap models.... What are your comments? Thank you, kindly. 🍸
my musical compositions are a mixture of eras, like the baroque, and middle romantic, mainly middle romantic, what guitar would you recommend for me?
Hi Maan. Maybe a Hauser type Spruce guitar. Have you tried some of the new Stephen Eden range? Very good value.....
I'm afraid I haven't, I own a Manuel Rodriguez C3 with Augustine blue high tension strings, the bass strings are smooth and sharp, whilst the trebles are sharp and love to resonate, for some strange reason, I wasn't expecting them to act like this, but it is a pleasant surprise none the less. If you send me your email, I can preform my Eighth Prelude in E. I would like your thoughts on the guitar, please.
I would very much like to see that so i have Subbed so i don't miss out
regards
Stuart
Should be before the Summer!
What is the piece played about 11:05?
My Sister is learning to play classical guitar and I would like to buy here something good and decent at an affordable price here in the USA on the West coast. Can you give me any suggestions? Thanks for your help in advance and Great Video!
+Karamelia Mitchell Hi there.. I don't know about the USA, but Miles stocks some pretty decent sounding guitars for as little as £250-300. You could email him through his site. I can never remember the name of these guitars, Paco Castillo, I think.
+Karamelia Mitchell - For classical student guitars, get an Alhambra from Spain. Prices really vary by model...
You may wish to complete the URL for www.kentguitarclassics.com
The '.com' has been missed. Not a huge one, just thought you may want to change it.
Cracking vid by the way! :)
Thanks Paul, well spotted!
has anyone here heard of a Spanish brand call Cashimira? im a novice and doesn't really know if the 500 pounds price tag is money well spent or not
Cutawaways are usually associated with "jazz" / "modern" players, and for some reason that means "jazz" players are not as demanding or deserving of hi end nylon luthier builds, or it could just be traditional luthiers see no market /demand for them.
I had a cutaway by a well known luthier and there was clearly something off in volume, tone and playability. Sold it in days. It was in no way shape or form the same as the builders concert instruments, practically alien. A Cordoba GK Pro, even a GK Studio was better... Elevated fingerboard... could work...I have found it a challenge to find the "right" instrument, but for me I know intuitively in the the first few minutes especially, and I think that is the main indicator for me. In other words, in a few minutes of playing / hearing the guitar I know this guitar can work for me, or not.
, Hello I bought a guitar cordoba c3m and c5 From a site in Morocco,both I did not like with manufacturing defects I think they sell defective products without declaring them, do you know a classic brand much better than that
A few years ago when Kent guitar classics was still trading, Miles used to recommend a 300 pound guitar by Paco Castillo. For the money the ones I tried were superb. Next level up we're Eden cadenza guitars for around 1800 pounds. No rosette, no french polish but sounded like a 4k guitar. Sorry you got a bad deal.
Why is it that even though a lot of classical musicians play high up the neck they seldom play cut aways ? I asked once a marvelous guitarist, Why she didn't have a cutaway guitar, and her response was that it was unnecessary even though I observed that she was playing very high up the neck maybe 17th fret etc.
Well, if these people are going to argue over slight design changes being a big deal, you can imagine what they thing of a big chunk of their guitar going missing whether that's founded or unfounded.
What is the pice played from about 11. 05?.... "Viva paracho"
pracxis granada by albeniz from Spanish Suite op. 47
What's its the name the tune on the French guitars?
Please let me know.
Hi there, it's the second movement of Ponce's Sonatina Meridional. Here's a great version. czcams.com/video/NPCQajtiqqI/video.html
please, inform me.WHAT IS THE PIECE ON 6.26?[OK ITS A MASTER PIECE BUT...MORE DETAILS PLEASE
It's called "El Mestre" - a popular song arranged by Miguel Llobet :)
Pedro Rodrigues thanks Pedro for replying
Does anybody know the name of the pieces played?
7:27-7:37
Renaissance Strings El Mestre by llobet
What piece does he play at 6:26 to 6:36?
R04C8 El Mestre by Llobet
Molto bello
Thanks Alessandro.
Or Canadian 🙏
sería interesante, en lugar de un discurso tan largo y aburrido, comparar las guitarras tocando el mismo tema musical ... o tambien la misma frase musical, cambiando las guitarras!
Granada. Albeniz
If you want to pay 2000-3000 + euros for a guitar, which is a lot of money for a lot of people...you want the best for that amount. What about sustain..we all want sustain till tomorrow. A little warmer, a little sweeter...a little more expensive too. I wish he talked more about prices..
Hi Ash have a look at this.. czcams.com/video/143PUhyh-NM/video.html
It does talk about prices.
Well, i think I still prefer a Spanish guitars, like the Jose Ramirez. Why not this video shows the Ramirez guitar?
Because they build shit guitars nowadays.