King Crimson - Lament
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Listening back, I think I was a slow-comer to the art of dynamics. My loud tended to be too loud and my quiet too quiet, at both the micro-level of the accented / unaccented notes within a single phrase, or the macro level of the whole drumkit through a whole song. I was either whispering or shouting. When shouting, playing with me was, in Fripp’s analogy, ‘’a bit like playing with a flying brick wall; you either go with it or duck’’. It took me a while to move smoothly up and down within a comfortable dynamic range, somewhere between moderately loud (‘mezzo-forte’ to classicists) and moderately quiet (‘mezzo-piano’ to the same people). Plenty of poor guys have to shout on their instrument for their entire professional lives. #billbrufordsearthworks
Bill’s move from Yes to KC was crucial to Bible Black. The GOAT prog album.
just imagine, left Yes after CttE and you did a bloody trilogy after that: Larks, SaBB and Red
And then BB made another trilogy with Robert Fripp & KC in the 80's, and THRAK from 1995 is great.@@igorrodrigues97.
Bill makes every band he's ever been involved in...his abilities are irreplaceable and he's always the missing link when absent.
You could just easily see how much more fun he was having playing with KC here. Loved his work with Yes too though.
Love the way bill looks at the cymbal at the end. “Don’t you make another sound”
Ride cymbals can be a headache at times
@@user-ux9bx8kc5y and ride cymbals are a bitch to choke, you can slice your finger on the edge of the cymbal... maybe I should use some other words.
Yeah that’s funny. And Bill Bruford is a unique looking character, as well as a great, unique drummer.
This song has everything, a dreamy start, heavy transitions, challenging sections, just an absolute delight. This is King Crimson's best lineup.
Trust me, I've Lamented this song sometimes
@@aakkoin is that a good thing?
@@anall3l3 Yea :D I was little drunk when I wrote that.
Haha well at least we're both enjoying this song man!
John Wetton: one of the most naturally talented bass players of all time!
"Every night I fought a battle against the rhythm section of Bill and John, and every night I was defeated" R. Fripp from the amazing "Great Deceiver Live 73-74" boxed set's liner notes
😄
Hilarious
Also Fripp, from the same liner notes: "Bruford/Wetton.... were amazing, busy, exciting, mobile, agile, inventive, and terrible to play over" (p. 3).
Best live album ever.
@@jdmresearch He could never ever get better rhythm section - and he knew it
Bruford is still one of my favourite drummers always true to his own style making music interesting and fresh. Truly one of a kind.
I see what you did there.
@@fml4542 yes
@KitCatStudio I found something online a few years back that Bruford wrote for a Doctor's thesis strictly dealing with rhythm, if you will. I don't know if he was going to school or he just submitted the doctorate but it's out there somewhere. I read the first couple pages and it was so much to digest I put it back down and I'll have to find another copy of it
@@feduppelin4 It's dealing with performance of music, not just some rhythm
John Bonham was quite good, but overrated, in my humble opinion. And Bill Bruford has been greatly underrated, I believe.
King Crimson have had a lot of amazing incarnations in their long history, some of them are legendary especially the first one but for me the lineup of Fripp, Wetton, Bruford and Cross was unmatched, they not only made some of the most epic music ever but had such a monster sound as a four piece. Absolutely loved this era
RIP JW
They're a great line up and all but it felt rather incomplete once Muir left. Him and Cross were like a percussive and melodic layering around seventies prog trio. Once it was just Cross his contributions just felt a bit more distant and overshadowed.
@@nothingbutsoy i've always felt that Cross's violin playing was a huge part of the sound on the albums but listening to live recordings of the band, not all of them but certain ones i can barely hear him, i would say USA was the best where he was completely showcased. I did miss Muir in the band as he gave Crimson an avant garde feel to the music.
@@WarhawkBeyond2040 The sad thing is that a few of the violin tracks for USA were rendered unusable, so they had someone else overdub Cross's tracks
@@MarceloKatayama that's true, you're right and Eddie Jobson was brought in to add violin, keyboard and mellotron overdubs to the David Cross parts to give USA a much more clearer sound
Totalmente de acuerdo.
Maaaaan, how good was John Wetton!
Right! Try to sing and play the bass line on "In the Dead of Night", for example :-)
If you like John Wetton check out the album Danger Money by a band called UK. John is at his peak. It contains bass, drums and keys with no 6 string guitars.
@@barrygreenstein8383 how on earth he ended up doing Asia I"ll never understand and passed away far too early. Top bloke.
Right man?
His voice is like Greg Lake and Peter Gabriel together that's amazing
What an amazing performance. Locked together with all of the syncopated time elements.
Bill’s like a kid in a candy store working out his sugar buzz. Such a joy to watch.
The abrupt ending still gets me every time
same
Just when it started to get really good.
That was the first time I’ve ever heard that I had to rewind, how did they do that.
@@worldboatskiff8709 i’m pretty sure that’s how they do it on the album, so it’s already written. bruford looks like he’s ready to take off tho!
That was beyond quiet ...impossible.
I love Bill's drum sound and his playing is so crisp and articulate!
@@bryanmack7463 what do you mean?
@@KP-wi6in I believe Bryan Mack is referring to Bill's comment above (just below the video) describing his problem with dynamics on this tune. As I was listening I was thinking the same thing, "Gosh Bill, that was a tad loud during this still quiet part". A minor complaint by me though. I love Bills playing on this.
I've always loved the aggressiveness of the second part of this piece. And Larks' Tongues | Starless | Red is my favourite incarnation of King Crimson.
That's why King Crimson is my favorite prog rock band probably. Robert Fripp knew how to blend Romantic-era inspired orchestral soundscapes with a loud electrified aggression that almost drove it into metal territory on this incarnation.
I understand Bill's favorite King Crimson era was the 80s, but man, this is just gold. This intensity was seldom achieved by any band, from any period.
I believe deep inside he knows this was his best
Esta fue la mejor época. No la de los 80.
Definitely Check Black Midi. They're part of the next wave bands following Frank Zappa, Crimson, Bungle. Etc..
@@fernandomartinheras5025 También eso creo, pero BB dice que los 80s. En fin, esta es la banda que me hizo querer ser músico.
@@apothecurio Eunuchs as well!! They did an amazing cover of black midi’s Lumps and The Castration of Gods def has some Mr. Bungle sound to it.
Edit: forgot to add that It’s also just an awesome record. It’s really a great experience
Legendary Men! Wetton voice and Brufford percussion are the other dimension! Don't forget Fripp...tks!!!
Dynamics be damned, the crushingly loud bits in this make it pop better than it does on the record.
In this era of Crimson, in the most exciting passages it sounds like the guitar and drums have swapped roles, with the guitar doing a hypnotic pattern and the percussion telling a story.
Bill has one of the cleanest techniques of any drummer out there. So smooth & effortless!
Love the commentary Bill, getting it from the faucet is a thrill. This song reminds me of the Discipline team in many ways. Love John Yelling at the top of his lungs and getting aggressive with his bass. Pure Entertainment! Thanks for your attention to the CZcams channel and we hope to keep your attention as well.
My God... Best progressive rock band ever, by far. And just unbelievable that there are only three playing here.
three?
@@stefanstrittmatter6459 Oh yes! You're right. Cross on Mellotron... 🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️😆 But just on the intro. After that, it's all them three who are 100% responsible for the sound of this song.
@@Almamater25 Cross is also playing Hohner Pianet - you can hear it on the very last bit giving a high harmony to Fripp's guitar riff. And I suspect that he's doubling either Fripp or Wetton most of the time, to give their parts more clarity.
Well...I Guess Emerson Lake & Palmer & Yes Were Chopped Liver...I Don't Think There's Ever Just 1 Best Band Ever...Greg Lake Was Formerly In This Band...Bill Bruford Was In Yes.. .
@@ELPCOTILLION-SD1970 I love Yes, but Bruford left them at their best after Close to the Edge to play with a more experimental and risky musical proposal. To play with Jaime Muir on percussion and Fripp of course in his own words. Lake was a founding member of Crimson, and left in my opinion to a more company produced ELP. Great tecnically, but not so profound, artistic and original to my point of view as Crimson.
This period of the band was such Unique....With the great late John Wetton RIP.
Roadroller rhythm section with the master Bruford
I'm old enough to remember when this was new. Love it still.
I'm 66 years old and this was the music that we listened to in high school, real music not this crap today! 🌴🌴
Me too, remember buying Starless And Bible Black 1974 on release, best line up of KC for sure, met John and still corresponding with David Cross through his wife who is also his manager, check out his album with Dialeto playing Bartok and Crimson classics 😊
@josephnaja man I'm only 32 but feel ancient in the type of music I listen to and just the way i am, ive always felt way older than i should.. the kids today truly have listened to crap for so long and I always listened back in time growing up... everything forward in time was worse for me growing up... TOOL might be the only modern band that I really love... king crimson was always something I had on while everyone else was listening to pop or rap crap or whatever... its hard to find similar taste but I always find it with people between 40 -80
King Crimson plays a major role in who I am today.
From the first album with Giles, to the solo pursuits. Even those Fripp and Toyah videos enrich my life.
Thank you.
I am glad, I got to see and hear, this version of King Crimson, back in 1974, when I was 16. An amazing performance. The strawbs opened, then KC, then ten years after. K Crimson, was the best band out of the 3, though the whole concert was good. They played lament that night.
The Flying brickwall!!
thanks for this. you and Wetton were one hell of a rhythm section, one of the best - if not the best. thank you thank you thank you
THE best .. listen here: czcams.com/video/CGBxIcoZAS0/video.html
They are most excellent, but Peart & Lee are the ultimate rhythm partnership.
ありがとうございます。良いものを観れました。聴いていて楽しい。見ていて楽しい。
Best line up ever! and I’m not talking only about the KC long story, but in art rock history (not calling it prog rock ) thanks maestro bill!
Why not call it prog rock? Because art rock is more broadened?
@@antonioscalcione7921 That's What I Suspect
Watching that ending again and again and again. It blows my mind with every hard stop. From full dynamics to zero dynamics is such a clever idea and so intense,.
こんな映像があるとは。。やはりクリムゾンはこの時期でしょう。曲の良さ、演奏力、熱さ、どれもアメイジングです。
同意します
this period is so magical for me. I listen to those live shows from Larks/Starless/Road to Red over and over without ever getting bored with it. Gimme that wall I'll climb it x
Red is timeless to me!
This was a treat. Only thing missing was a camera on David Cross. Larks and Starless are 2 of my favorite Crimson albums.
Cross is there. He's just not playing violin, he's playing the mellotron.
Ha, same! My 2 fav KC albums as well! :-)
My favorite version of KC. "Asbury Park" from the USA album is my favorite song of all time. John Wetton was amazing. They all are/were. RIP John. Love the Boston Bruins logo that Bill is wearing! I'm from Boston and loved the Bruins.
Asbury Park was a live improv.
The B used to be the Boston Bruins logo until Bruford made it his emblem!
David Cross’s contributions are so often overlooked, but in King Crimson his playing is like having exactly the right amount of salt in a dish: easy to take for granted and not obvious but crucial to how it tastes
hahaha. I love the dead silence at the end.
Yeah - Bruford staring at the cymbal, like "If you make one peep, I'm out of the band."
@@RussKC XD
That is bloody perfection.
Fantastic! John was a monster talent, love his voice and bass playing. Great tune thanks for sharing.
I saw this incarnation of KC four times and it was - and still is - my favorite band, regardless of genre. As for Bill's comments about dynamics, it wasn't like the whole band was lingering in mezzo-forte to mezzo-piano range while he was playing inaudibly behind them or overpowering them. This version of KC tended to be really quiet or really loud, often moving from one to another very quickly. The notable exception was the first section of the instrumental break in Starless, where they slowly got louder over four "verses" of the song. Also, from my experience seeing them, no matter how loud anyone else got, Fripp was louder.
If someone asks me what song best personifies King Crimson in nutshell, this one is it! LOVE this piece!
LOVE the overalls, Bill. I'll never forget having met you in the early '90s at a Percussive Arts Society convention in Ohio. You autographed a drum head for me 🙂 I treasure it to this day.
To think Bill thought white dungerees sans shirt was a cool look at the time! ;-)
With a B on them too!
Boston Bruins dungarees, Bill must of got a shitload of them around 74 because he was still wearing them on a Genesis tour in 1976 lol.
@@Eleventhearlofmars To be fair to Bill, dungarees where in at the time. I even briefly toyed with the idea of purchasing a set, but settled for a white overall jumpsuit a la Steve Hillage ! :-)
This version of King Crimson was the greatest live musicians of all time, the greatest improvisers
Best bass player, best drummer and by far the greatest guitarist/composer and musical genius of his time!
They blow everyone away!
a musician would say there are many great musicians.
some people listen to music, and narrow favorites to one and done.
something keith emerson might have said, once upon a time.
Loved this song!! This whole album was just such a great time in history. These types of bands like Crimson and Genesis back then were so good. Incredible artists.
maybe one of my favorite endings to a song ever. When I first heard the studio version, I thought it was editing, then I watch the live performances and nope it's very much part of the piece. Amazing!
I'm so thankful you're sharing your own thoughts on the music you've played over your long and wonderful career. Even though you're critical of your performance here, what really stands out to me is just how much fun you look like you're having. Playing in a band at that level, 1974, it must be hard to describe
What an incredible band you guys were, my all time favourite I reckon, thankyou so much from the bottom of my heart xxx
To me, Bill was the original Stewart Copeland. Just a beast unlike any other drummer out there at the time. Revolutionary.
Pretty sure this is my favorite song. Been on steady rotation since the early 80's. In my head!
my favourite rendition of Lament
I had the great fortune of seeing this band three times!
Thank you for sharing these gems with the world, and especially your super insightful comments about your own playing. Keep em coming!
Your insight in the description above is great. A lot of drummers never come to that realization about appropriate volume and only go for all the volume they can get, along with all the drums they can surround themselves with.
There is a reason Fripp considers this to be Crimson's best lineup.
Does he, really?
Well, I don't know if Fripp really said that loud. Personally, the most attractive K.Crimson lineup.
¿Fripp consideraba ésta como la mejor formación de K C? Lo dudo, no porque lo fuera o no, sino porque no me imagino a Fripp con una definición tan tajante. Al respecto, podría decir, que Wetton fue la mejor voz de la banda, sin desmerecer a otros como Lake y Belew
@@frankoi7022 its the overalls.
He never said it... He has said that he has a soft spot for the first lineup and then the one from the 80s. I like the 72-74 the most, but I can understand the view that the 69 and 81-84 bands were really ahead of their time.
Whatever the battle, the winner was my ears and my musical soul. That was an incredible jam I have never heard before, and I am better for it. Thank you!
thank you for DARING to be a flying brick wall. It did inspire most of us to boldly go where the usual drummer wouldn't go.
I like how they're not even looking at each other.
Look ma, no hands!
Mr Bruford you men are true masters of your musical art. Thanks for posting.
Great song. The ending was absolutely insane. I had to watch it several times to take it in. I have never experienced that use of extreme dynamics before. Incredible.
Yet I love the extremes in dynamics in this piece Bill. That's what makes it unique.
Ahhh. My favorite incarnation. I first heard KC on the live USA album. It was a powerful sound and somewhat mysterious. It really turned me into a progressive rock fan. Your live material always takes it up several notches. The first UK album became one of my all-time favorite albums which then led me to your solo stuff with Holdsworth and Berlin. Thanks for a great musical lifetime!
Great voice and bass of Mr Wetton, I love King Crimson!!!
Wow ! Love this song brilliant tune great lyrics and dynamics
Digging the ring on that snare bill.. loving these uploads.
Man. Your attack after the percussion section is fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuk innnn GREAT, LOVE IT!!!
Great music over all the years. The early 80s albums are special to me, I was losing my fight against alcoholism and drug addiction and those albums just seemed to give me hope. Maybe because they seemed as weird as I was. Lol still listen today. I finally got clean and sober 5-5-1985 and that music still speaks to my head and heart. I occasionally quote from the songs and it baffles people. 😂
What a lineup
Simply brilliant, on every level, every participant
The flying brickwall in action!
Amazing how succinctly the drums and the balance of the remaining instruments meld with such dynamics. One should watch it two or three times to grasp all that's emerging from the music. Powerfully controlled energy, that was in my opinion king Krimson with Mr.Bill Bruford.
King Crimson's best line-up!!!!
Your dynamic is simply perfect Bill, then and now.
I haven't heard this one in years. What a tour-de-force!
My favorite KC line up. And this was definitely Bill's favorite stage outfit. :D
I carried your drum cases into the venue, when you played with U.K. at the Vouge Theatre in Indianapolis...thrill of my life what an honor. Saw you with K.C. when you were doing the Larks Tongue tour in 72-73 another thrill. I saw YES 3 times during their highest popularity. You are still my favorite drummer!!!
Totally mind blowing music!!
Wow! Forgot how great this band was with this line up! Excellent!
Oh so glad, I experienced this line-up in May of '73
Great performance! Boston Bruins Hockey fans should also appreciate the big B
I like the way it moves my toes.
John Wetton was one of the greatest lead singers and bass guitarist ot of lived! 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯👍👍👍💣💥
Sir, my humble observation is that everything was thoughtful/ organized, all through the years. Thank you for the channel. BW
Amazing! My favorite lineup, great to hear this tune again.
Wow. Thank you so much. What a great video.
I love that extreme range of dynamics that can be heard in Yes and KC, and with Genesis too (your snare in "Seconds Out-Cinema Show" is something beautiful). This extreme dynamics range you mentioned was like a "Bruford signature" that put you where you are as one of the best and more personal drummers in the human history. The sound of your acoustic drumming was completely unique. Saludos dese Buenos Aires.
quel festival cette chanson......j 'adore cette folie.....bravo et merci bill......
My favorite incarnation of the band. Love, love, love that period! And just a word about John, damn, he was playing some amazing stuff back then. I kept trying at that time to sell other bass players on him, to get them to try to play like him.
Watching this, I can see why he stopped playing like that, and why he later had problems with his hands. He played HARD!
That was absolutely amazing!
OMG, what a band they were. Just magnificent
Just brilliant.
FANTASTIC !!!!!!!
Great song...fantastic Bruford
Great stuff, thanks very much Bill.
It’s tough to grab on to this song.
For that reason, I love it.
John Wetton's voice...what a dream
it is you ! franckly enjoying your kind of accompagnement ...Master ...thx
I used to love this stuff when I was younger. it’s so interesting how tastes change over time. This just sounds like musical gibberish to me now. 😆 I consider Bruford a major musical influence too, but ifi was in a band with a drummer and he started doing random 32nd note rolls on a bunch of random percussion sounds, and started playing a ratchet during an intro, I would definitely find a different drummer. lol
With all said and done, one should not forget
Richard Palmer James with magical lyrics
Masterclass of music. Larks is my all time favorite KC album.
1:58 there is absolutely no denying the sound of Bill Bruford's snare! That's the sound all over all the early Yes albums.... good luck trying to drum along and tap your fingers in time with his snare though!
Saw this live in Philly back in the early 70s, didn't know who they were, and I was on the floor of the Spectrum about 20 ft back from the stage. Totally blew my doors in, and still the concert I talk about the most. Anyone who was there will remember a beautiful blonde girl that stripped naked and was escorted out by security, she got a standing ovation {but the bands didn't, lol}. That scenario in the 70s was not common place, like all that stuff is today, so it was extraordinary and memorable.
never gets old
Legendary stuff. Arguably proof that a 4 man Crim can be enough (same as the 80s and 2000s lineups). In purely commercial terms I recall Crim biographer Sid Smith stating that Wetton was of the view that 70s Crim could have gone on to be as big as Pink Floyd by the end of the decade. Had they stayed together. Interesting to consider what might have been even if Crim had persisted as hinted by Smith as being Bruford/Wetton/McDonald or Bruford/Wetton/Fripp/Jobson etc...
But Pink Floyd already had hits early on so they were well ahead of the game.
Even though King Crimson is not as popular as Pink Floyd, I perfer Crimson. And I think King Crimson's sound of 80~00' was enoughly and heavily great as much as 60~70's.
@@user-hi6jq8mq8k I think they are such vastly different bands that they could have had equal success without any direct comparison. For me, anything with tricky time signatures during the 70's was always 'lost on the masses'. ELP, KC, Return to Forever-land, et al never got the cred they deserved.
@@AGoodBuzz Genesis seemed to be the most popular of the British bands that used unusual time signatures.
@@Eleventhearlofmars Or Rush, perhaps.