I Got My Apple-1 On The Internet
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- čas přidán 23. 09. 2022
- Thanks PCBWay.com - Today I'm finally ready to show off my Apple-1 Replica, a machine that I've been endlessly enjoying off-camera as I build my perfect setup. Let's do the obvious, and take this thing on the internet!
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🍎 Retro Hack Shack's Amazing Build: • Building An Apple 1 Cl...
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The irony being, that ESP32 that drives the WiFi card is several thousand times more powerful than the Apple I it's plugged into.
i know 😂
I'd more prefer an ethernet card to do the same, at lease the tech would be a lot more period authentic.
Also you can emulate multible Apple1 at once on this ESP32 at the same time.... cycle-exact...
@@paulstubbs7678 Not quite, though. Ethernet wasn't commercially available until the 80s. And on the other hand, an important part of the fun is that something as modern as a wifi adapter can be made to work with such an ancient computer, and without any hardware fuss: a card plugged directly into the machine's expansion slot.
I love ESP32’s
I love the ongoing trend of new accessories for retro computers made from microcontrollers with more cpu power than the computers they're going into.
Right
I find that a bit ironic
@@SimonQuigley heh heh... Bit.
I'm fine with it if you aren't using the power of the newer chip to say have a g3 Mac play crisis. But for creating a modem I'm fine with it.
I sold all my Apple stuff to The 8-Bit Guy last year, but watching videos like this make me really want to find something "new" to fiddle around with. Having a blast watching these.
He ain't blown it up yet? /s in all seriousness, sometimes it's better to let someone love out your hobby cause you only have so much time... I only have a few retro computers and I don't have the time for my c64 still
Gotta love a computer that makes you think 'how is this thing turning on' when you first see it. This thing going online is absolutely absurd!
I love how Sean started off with NewWorld PPC Macs, poked his toe into obsolete Intel Macs and was like "Nahhhh" and has been progressively going further and further backwards. inb4 he builds himself a KIM-1, which in some ways is actually easier to use than an Apple 1 because of the hex keypad. Then I figure he'll start making use of that PCBWay sponsorship and BUILD a hex keypad for his Apple 1 so typing hex is faster.
When Sean finally regresses to Ben Eater levels of low level hackery, his journey to the dark side shall be complete.
Why not just get even more extreme and get a pdp11 or a vacuum tube computer from the 1950s or a mechanical calculator from the early 1900s.
@@belstar1128 and put it ON THE INTERNET!!!!!
@@thecorruptedbit5585 The pdp 11 and vacuum tube computers can probably do that with ease i'm not sure about the mechanical calculators but who knows what hobbyists can do they have super powers.
I'm pretty sure he started with a 68K Mac Plus or something, but in any case, I agree with staying far away from Intel Macs.
@@lepidotos Eh, they have their purposes. The issue is that there's just not point to an Intel Mac. If you want a modern Mac it's a dead end. If you don't want a modern Mac … it's just nothing special. App Store? Big deal, it won't have apps you can actually use very often anymore unless you have one of the very last Intel macs, and in two years time it just about won't at all.
Changes to MacOS X → macOS ? Meh. Compatibility with obsolete iOS devices? Meh. Brudge to older hardware? Better done with a G4 Mac Mini or some earlier machine that can natively boot OS 9.
The possibility of USB 3.0 and Firewire 800 on the same machine for a few machines … Okay, that's interesting. But it's not really necessary.
14:35 Never thought i would see cloud gaming on a Apple-1 😆
Bring it to an Apple store to see if the genius bar can fix it.
They probably "can't" even fix a mac from 2010.
@@belstar1128 I could say with confidence that is true
I don't think they have a spare Apple 1.
This has to be the pinnacle of retro Apple fandom, epic, well done 👍
There's still a lot of life left in that Apple 1 with its ability to get online! Great video as always... may the retro shenanigans continue!!
Thanks Chris!
big missed opportunity to call it a "bodge of honour"
omg perfect 😂
This takes me back to the days of using my 286 and 486 computers to access BBS systems. That was 1992 and 1996, respectively. Can you imagine playing Legend of the Red Dragon or Trade Wars with someone using an Apple I...?!
The Apple 1 is really the world's first personal computer... Woz designed and built it just to be his own personal computer and jobs came along and convinced him to sell it. It was never meant to be sold, just for Woz to use personally.
13:45 amazing how these two proud modded chips seem to be wearing their Légion d’Honneur 😉
The original Apple-1 had only 4K of RAM. I assume your replica is upgraded to the maximum 48K RAM. That still does not give very much space to do anything, especially when the Apple-1 had no networking stack, modem protocols, etc., built into it. I assume the wifi card has its own cpu and RAM which are doing the heavy lifting and then using the Apple-1's cpu to just read characters from the card, output them to the screen, read characters from the keyboard, send those back to the program running on the wifi card, etc. Very cool video.
The WiFi card has an ESP8266 chip, running at 80 or 160MHz, with 32kb+80kb of ram (separate instruction and data ram) and 4mb of flash memory.
So, yeah. I'd assume the WiFi card is fast enough to emulate the Apple 1 if it wanted to. Doesn't take anything from the video of course.
@@xureality At those clock speeds it's probably faster than the best supercomputer from '76, which I believe was still the Cray-1
@@Kennephone the cray-1 runs at 80mhz, but it is designed to churn through massive amounts of data whereas the esp8266 is designed to deal with shuffling small bits of data around. So it is kinda hard to compare the two.
I would like to see Steve Wozniak's reaction to seeing this thing.
There’s a video of that recently. Someone took him an apple 1 board to sign.(a replica if I recall)
That zork is like a very early example of Stadia. The game is running on the server.
Woah true!
There are also Save and Restore options
Waz was the real brains of Apple and Jobs just had a big mouth. 🤣
For extra capabilities, connect both the keyboard and monitor to the ESP32, and leave the Apple 1 powered off.
Haha nice! I built one of those Apple-1 replica's as well! I also have that same Apple II joystick adapter, and I de-soldered the blue wire to use as the keyboard cable in my Apple-1. But I've since then built a longer cable, so I'll be able to restore the joystick adapter at some point. Those ZIF sockets are the way to go in terms of persevering the original Apple II joystick connectors, which are a pain because they are so easy to bend! Great videos - always look forward to the new ones!
this is amazing! for some reason it's more fun to do online things on ancient, primitive computers than it is on modern ones.
(i should really get an old Apple / Commodore)
You're a madman, Sean. And I love it.
It's... it's like the future... but today! Absolutely incredible. Thank you for sharing this!
Red bell pepper eh? Hmmmmm.. whiteboard guy is losing it.
Shenanigans like this are what keep me coming back to this channel. Bravo sir!
Steve Jobs, looking up at this from Hell, as someone tinkers with and expands an Apple product: *_REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE_* !
This is pretty wicked; what a cool way to take OG hardware to the next level
I absolutely love this. I've never been able to touch an actual Apple I but I did get to visit the example they have at the Smithsonian. Having such a great replica would be amazing and I love the little touches you made like the Reddy Kilowatt sticker and the school wood shop made napkin holder power supply. It brings a tear to my 1970's inner child.
Man, I love those things, but just cannot afford them. I feel lucky I can see other people enjoying them and learn so much. Friggin love that "Electricity will kill you" sticker too! Now, that is something I cant try to get!
Excellent video. I have been a little behind on your videos and didn’t know you had an Apple 1 replica. It’s surely the crown jewel of your impressive collection!
That's crazy. I can't believe you actually pulled this off. Nice.
This was a very interesting video and it has earned you a Subscription for sure. I do enjoy your style of presentation as well as showing off old hardware. That wooden power supply looks so 1800's!
Very Cool! I hardly noticed it on my CZcams Homepage!
Wow amazing!! So impressive to see
gotta love when the micro controller used in the addon is more powerful than the entire computer
I really love your Fred Flintstone power unit. Ubercool! 🤩
Thanks so much for featuring "my" replica of the Apple-1. Enjoyed your video very much!
In the uk in the 80’s a magazine Big K ran an interview with Woz in which he discussed the Apple 1 design and production. It was a few pages long and illustrated. Magazine ran for 2 or 3 issues, then defunct.
Is there any scans out there?
@@systemchris to be honest I never looked.
@@systemchris en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_K_(magazine)#/media/File%3ABigK1apr84.jpg
Best i could find
This looks cool, man you do some crazy stuff with legacy stuff....
This is so amazing! I want one!!!
Ya love it. No way to capture the feelings we had when we used these computers back in the day but it's a worthwhile effort. Still inspiring.
We need more videos on this! :D
What a flash forward from a flash back!
I love that you are going deeper back into Apple's history. I have a feeling that you'll pivot to Amiga soon as you'll have exhausted the Apple well! 😂
Great video by the way!
Dude! That's great!
I actually want a retro terminal from DEC or Wyse to do this. A nice amber glow would be great (along with lower case).
That sure is mind-bending.
I'm trying not to totally geek out over this... but that green board just looks absolutely delicious.
Great Video. Shout out for ParticlesBBS
YESSSSS!!!!!!! MAN THIS IS SWEET AS T!TT$$$$$$ GREAT WORK
That is so stinkin' cool, man! I'm only 41, but I got into computers as a very young kid before it was "cool" to be into computers. My first modem and BBSing I did was on a CoCo2 with a 300 baud modem. When I was given an 8088 with a 1200 baud modem (which as slow by those days' standards even in 1991), I felt that I was just blazin' some trails LOL.
I'm 22, so I missed the age of dial up modems, but I can remember when I moved out at 18 and got my own internet everything felt so much faster, I went from getting 10mbps at best over wifi to 100 with a wired connection that never cut out.
@@Kennephone Shoot... I remember get 3 mbps on one of my early cable modems and thought I was cooler than the other side of the pillow LOL.
older! older! :) the little skits always put a smile on my face.
Thats A great Apple there Sean VeryVery Neat
Mind bending!
@BenEater has a couple of great videos about Wosmon, where he modifies it to run on his breadboard 6502 computer and goes into great detail about how it works.
I have this same setup: an Apple 1 replica from Armin and a Datanetics replica keyboard from Michael Ng. I still need to build my power supply. Been working all summer on my silly pickup truck.
Saw your messages in Particles days ago (using a not much modern Atari 400 :) ). Sorry I didn't answer there, I didn't have time, but having received my replica from Armin and the keyboard from Michael weeks ago, I thought I had to find out how the heck did you connect yours to Particles. I need that WiFi board! And the transformers in order to try my board, still unused. Loved your video!
Let’s see this video! I’m sure I’ll love it
I had picked up an old junker Apple II way back in the day (my late father was a hoarder LOL). It was past it's prime and I didn't know much about it, and also one of the expansion boards (I believe it was meant for a printer) had already been broken at the slot, and someone had already 'repaired' it with a zillion jumper wires haha, but I didn't need that board anyways...
Well, again I didn't yet know much of anything about the machine, nor did I even have any software for it. I DID have two floppy drives for it though, but again nothing to put in them.
I also didn't know it had BASIC built in, but that didn't stop me from screwing around with it anyways. I discovered, totally by accident, that it apparently had a built in hex editor of it's own (I had no idea what this was at the time though). I believe the hotkey to access this crude hex editor was Control+Shift+6, or F6, I forget, something like that though...
Apple ii had expanded woz mon
@@lasskinn474 Cool cool. I'm still to this day not very familiar with the Apple II, but I assume that's what I stumbled into..?
I dunno, but I was like 12 years old at the time and honestly knew absolutely nothing about computers yet, I didn't even get my first properly running Windows 3.0 PC until I was 13.
wow, those apple 1 motherboard replicas are really expensive, still tempted though lol
the word at 17:30 unscrambled is “superstition”
Brilliant buddy... ;)
it looks beautiful. to think woz was able to build this in a garage, with a box of scraps
mighty cool!
Take us on a tour of the apple I and show us it’s….quirks and features?
Thinking about listing it on cars and bits!
This is so cool
we have an apple one here in Turin exposed at a museum, but i saw it about a decade ago i dont really remember the name of the museum. i thought of it as soon as i saw Televideo RAI and Fatto quotidiano.
Only a matter of time before someone gets doom to run on one of these, amazing video keep up the good work
As I understand it, Woz created the Apple I to be an internet terminal and it competed with the "TV typewriter" by Don Lancaster. However, Tandy (Radio Shack) computer offered 16x64 lines of video output. Because of their many retail stores, the Radio Shack's TRS-80 outsold the Commodore PET and Apple II.
Also do one in the tiny RC6502 Apple I Replica board.
So in college I dialed into the campus VAX on my Apple //e to use a MUD that ran on a Xerox SPARC station in Palo Alto that I found through Gopher. All vintage tech.
okay this is ridiculously cool, what the hekk
I knew it was possible! :D
Awesome machine the only thing I would have done is used a chip socket to make the Prom mods that needed to be done. that way you wouldn't need to solder direct to the chip and be less likely to damage them.
Yeah, I came here to say this. Normally you'd have to watch for clearance issues, adding sockets on sockets... but in this case, obviously there is plenty of room.
Omigod, where did you find that Sanyo monitor? That monitor was in Apple ads in the late '70s and early '80s. I remember pics of the Apple ][ with the Sanyo on left side of lid and two Disk ]['s on the right. Perfect.
This is relevant to my interests
That Card is Sweet as Hell!
You complete madman.
No need for an ad-blocker with that setup. But with all the exposed wires, that sticker on the power supply is appropriate. But one could do worse than Death-by-Apple-1.
very very cool
DOOD that’s nuts!
The Pom1 emulator appears to treat all ASCII output the same way as your Replica, although Pom1 outputs a bit slower. I also tried faux1 and Apple 1js, but the outputs from those aren't 100% correct.
I tweaked your code a little. I eliminated the back and forth transfers between registers with LDX to init the counter (instead of LDA), TXA moved to before the ECHO to screen, and TAX removed altogether saving 1 byte.
We could make this execute a little faster if you wanted to as ECHO actually preserves the Accumulator. So you could just ADC #$01 (2 cycles) at the end of each loop instead of the TXA (2 cycles) and INX (2 cycles), thus saving 2 cycles. But then you would need to put a CLC at the beginning of the code which would make it 1 byte longer. But since we're not concerned about speed, I think we can sacrifice the saved cycles in favor of saving the 1 byte and just stick to using TXA...INX. :-P
Then I made the loop a conditional branch so that each ASCII value is only printed once, and then ended the code with jumping back to the monitor (instead of using RTS which locks up the system as there's nothing to RTS back to because the stack is empty). Here's the final result:
ldx #$00
:
txa
jsr $FFEF ;ECHO - print char
inx
bne :-
jmp $FF1F ;GETLINE - enter monitor and echo CR
I like to use masswerk's online virtual 6502 assembler to assemble small projects. Here's the hex from assembling the above code:
0000: A2 00 8A 20 EF FF E8 D0
0008: F9 4C 1F FF
oh my, that's my BBS!
If you've "reignited old visceral retrocomputing passion," then you really should get yourself to the confessional.
Zork Online, that's hilariöus. 😄
Amazeballs.
Most interesting. Are the excessive gestures necessary? But, you made a great video.
Vcf recently posted a talk vid about auction authenticating apple 1's(among other things) thats pretty interesting a short while ago
Well, the mad lad did it
What are the inputs and specs on the little crt? Can that be bought on its own? I'm in love
It looks like a Sanyo vm 4509. It's a 9 inch monochrome monitor with a bnc input. A quick Google shows people liked to use them with the apple II.
@@chadmasta5 thanks for the info. Not a mac guy here just love dudes shenanigans. So you're saying in all likelihood it's ancient. Edit: I just assumed it came with the setup and could possibly be new old stock or something
@@soknightsam no problem! Yeah they're from 1979 and pretty pricey on ebay. You don't need an apple computer to use it, the input on the back is just composite video, so with an adapter you can use it with anything. Personally I don't think it's worth it unless the design is just too irresistible for you.
this is fucking awesome
Can i hook my altairduino up via serial esp and access the same bbs
Next challenge: connect to the internet with a replica of Woz’s Blue Box ? 😅
That’s really cool.
A but if constructive criticism though. Millennials like me don’t know what baud is but retro computer content creators never define it. I looked it up so I now know but terms that aren’t used anymore should be defined imo. Love your content and have a great day.
Whats funny, is the whole computer will fit on a smaller pcb than what you shown in hand, heck even be faster ( probably )
Ah yes. I love visceral retro computing passions .
Is there a link to the Apple replica other than on Facebook (which I don't use)?
So when you're on the BBS, is the "terminal" just talking directly to the BBS through the wifi and bypassing the CPU? Or does the terminal only ever talk to the CPU?
The terminal is the programme used to display the BBS and input commands. It speaks to the WiFi modem which is itself connected to Telnet and the BBS server. The heavy lifting is carried out by the ESP32 microcontroller in the WiFi modem if that’s what you’re asking.
Taking the Apple 1 online. Because why not? Now I was fully expecting it to connect to the internet and that being the end of it. The Apple 1 is so old that I wouldn't have been surprised if there was nothing to do with that thing on the web. I'm pleasantly surprised that BBS systems and MUDs are still going however. People talk about missing how the internet used to be, but it's still there, Just lurking behind 40 column text modes.
It would be awesome if you could somehow make an even more dumbed down version of frogfind that works on this!
Oh I'm thinking about it lol. Telnet FrogFind 😂
Wow! 😍😍😍😍