RISKY!
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- čas přidán 11. 07. 2016
- There is a lot going on in this video and it is quite lengthy. So,,, if your in a hurry or impatient then this is not a video for you.
For the safetycrats/naysayers out there; not recommended for those who's skill set is not, at least, a little advanced. One mistake in a situation like this and it is a monumental problem. I took my sweet time in the hope that all "wood" go well.
I neglected to show the plumb on the back two spruce - sorry. From the center of the stump, both were outside of the string.
As mentioned verbally, the two in the dueling spruce video were about 100 yards down the ridge and were not grown together as I had hoped.
It took awhile to get the driver fir tree ahead and into the worst down hill leaning spruce as it was also back a fair amount with inverse limb weight. I put a in shallow face so I could make sure and not cut the far corner off accidentally ~ 4:30. At 4:25 you can see that I'm only about 65' up from Fieldbrook Rd. and traffic is moving - hence the title. At 5:20 opening up the face a wee bit more - did want it to come up tight at or before reaching the spruce.
At 7:24 relieving the back cut a little more. 7:30 driver fir tree sets forward into the bigger back leaning spruce.
At 8:40 we are looking at the big blue ?. The foresters want it to go down but are not sure if it can be done. They say we can leave it if it to dangerous to tackle. I looked at it and reached the conclusion that after taking a whole bunch of the windthrow trees all around out, it would be a disservice to leave it as all three of the spruce tree will top out across the road.
9:40 notice driver tree sets a little further into spruce - happy about that!
12:24 we check the screen on the insane-o ported 064 after replacing the coil. Seems to run scary good. Notice the ~ 30 old carb is a little inconsistent and struggles just a fuzz.
13:30 a bore into the face cut so I can get it out.
13:47 check the screen again for color because this saw is flat getting with it!
14:48 we notice the rot in the hinge - which is the holding wood for the seriously back leaning middle child. Again thankful for the driver tree stuffed into the spruce..........
15:15 take a siting on the face. But,,,,,,, with the driver tree hanging in the drivee spruce there is no telling if it will pull it (drag) or push off the triple..........
15:35 we take a look at the "baby" (turd) spruce also behind the plumb of the stump center - 19" at the 1st 40' log, 15" at the 2nd 40'er - contemplating if the wood is growing together strong enough to keep it there.
17:15 axe in back cut to detect the slightest amount of movement at the stump.......
17:40 wedges in spruce triple as a precaution........ Due to the close proximity to the county road, the penalty points for even the slightest mistake in this situation is catastrophic, so again, .............
~ 18:00 boring in the back underneath the baby spruce just in case the wood doesn't hold............
19:15 finish off the near side of the back cut with the baby completely cut off. Figure at that point it will hold.
~ 20:00 tighten up the wedges, probably not necessary but makes a guy feel better.
Tickling the back on the far side underneath the drivee to see if I can free it up to let it go.
Everything up the hill and not in the road - hallelujah!
21:32 Oxymoron; "Left quite a bit of wood (in the hinge and what I figured were the holding fibers) because I had it mostly cut off". Referring to having the drivee tree cut up as much as I dared after we noticed the rot in face which is also the seam between the bigger up hill spruce and the drivee. ( I did not want to cut the far side from the far side because the driver tree was moving forward incrementally. ) Generally checking out the hinge, rot, and uglynees of my handy work on the stump.
It took awhile to get this quartet on the ground but given the circumstance and you are watching ~10,000 boards hit the ground I'm thinking it was not too bad.
Again, not a recommended maneuver. It stems from years of cutting in yarder blocks where all must come down if at all possible. It has been used many times before but,,, you never know........
I'm currently available for port work. Please let me know if you are in need or want to try something different.
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Thanks for watching! - Zábava
Good job! Straight Beast Mode! That back one was holding on by a thread and yet you made it happen and safely as you possibly could. Definitely not for the faint at heart.
Thank you for understanding and commenting as such about what you were seeing in this video.
God bless Jack. your skill is a blessing.
So glad I found this channel, I could watch this kind of talent all night long....and I just might!! "Bar keep....another round please!" Cheers too you Sir!! :)
By gods grace. 👍🏻 Nice work sir.
Either I was having auditory hallucinations, again, or the sound of the wedges was announcing the rot. I would appreciate it if you could adjust the camera angle so we could see more of what you are doing and less bark.
Wishing for eyes on top of your head on that one..perfect lay in triplicate... Sweet indeed! Gotta love taking a question mark into a exclamation point for the skidder.
Nice job on a sketchy one Jack. Good to see you working. That is one fine running 064 I sure like mine God Bless be safe.
thank you for sharing. I enjoy watching very much.
I get dizzy easily, so watching this was very difficult with all that moving around. You really need to get a tripod!
But that was some amazing work! No way I would even consider tackling that double, and yet you did everything beautifully! Wow.
Impressive work! Thanks kindly for sharing!
That was awesome!! Well done!!
Great shot of tree bark.... Ops :(
So I asked myself, what would Hotsaws101 call "Risky"? Watched till end...Yep...Risky.
Great cut. No hesitancy. Just confidence. Does your heart still pump fast, this many years later?
The Truth hi.
It was a bit on the risky side not shutting the road down for sure.
God has smiled upon me incessantly over the years...
After years and years of maneuvers like this there tends to be less heart poundage unless something goes south.
It's imperative that you stay zeroed in on the task at hand - doing your best to be focused. In situations like this it is paramount that you do not make a mistake.
The dangercat aspect "comes alive" in a scenario as we see here.
Thanks for watching.
That opened up some daylight
Pro work right there.
I reckon I might send you a saw one of these days. You do good work.
That was fantastic to watch! great planning on pulling that double down as you wanted. RISKY is right!
Crazy Guy hi. The drivee was a triple. In t he end you can see all for boles laying there. Thanks for watching.
That's a hard earned domino. Been there done that. Always extra praying those times Nice work. Stay safe and God Bless..
worked out and no cutters were injured in the making of this film😉
That got my blood pumping. Nicely done.
Me too! Thanks for watching!
Good job and well done!
Great combo cut! That was a difficult tree/trees to take down. You’re a thinking man’s faller/logger/chainsaw specialist of a high degree. That was a difficult tree as we witnessed. Congrats on good aim! Really enjoy your work and videos. Clean and to the facts. With back up. I have an old 064 I’d like to get improved also, but in needs updating of electrical system.it used to run great, ut now, when trying to start it just back fires or breaks your wrist trying. I have heard that people have installed 460 or660 ignition systems on them.any idea on how to do that
JACK, FROM AN OLD PLUMBER/CARPENTER IN ILLINOIS, THANKS, WHAT A TREAT TO WATCH A JOURNEYMEN AT WORK IN A BEAUTIFUL SETTING ]]
p.s. would love to hear a bit more of your thoughts as you work, but also appreciate your quiet way
Jake hi. I think there was a "kinda" blow by blow in the description area. Thanks for watching.
Nice one Jack!
Do you recommend the max air covers on a ported saw
Steve hi. Yes I would. How is yours working?
Very impressed
That one had me puckered just watching great job and shot. Have had those split and break off sideways can be brittle nice job.
Thomas hi. Me too!
One reason I put the fir into them first. I figured if there was a chance that one breaks off, it's more likely to 1/4 off and little up.
Thanks for watching.
Like a Surgeon
Jack the videos are amaizing...
Well done! Thanks for sharing.
I have a question that results from me watching some old timers tackle old growth trees that had grown in interesting ways such as that. I am an old timer also, so that means these fellas were really old timers. They would dig up the biggest chains they could find on the job and the biggest chain binders they had. They put the chains around the tree a few feet above the falling cuts and would pull the chains up tight with the biggest cheater bars they had. Those couple, or maybe even three chains would help to hold the tree parts together and usually made the process easier and safer. Is there reasons why the binding up the tree above the cut area might not help in this situation? I don't really have personal feelings one way or the other, just interested in your thinking regarding that practice on this tree.
Nick hi. It works good to keep certain tree types or the way the tree is growing from slabbing. I think that what you are saying would work in a some applications - maybe even here. I have pulled many multiples over the years. Some by grabbing only one of the group. Some by grabbing one or two or all that were in the group. It depends on many factors - whether or not the pull line will cause a twist/side tension at the butt is a consideration for example. How well (you think anyway) they are growing together. Sometimes you fine out how well they are not growing together....
In this scenario, I knew that the wood was tough from getting pounded by the wind on this ridge top location. I knew as well that the driver fir was far enough away and tall enough to put some serious forward pressure on the bigger of the two, back leaning spruce. I also knew that there were several other driver trees available should the driver fir that I put into the spruce triple not be enough to persuade them up the hill. There was the additional consideration that the prevailing wind this time of year comes in the form the northwest, which was exactly in the right direction - and it comes in hard during most afternoons.
In all reality, I wanted to pull this operation but was left to my own devices due to several reasons.
Thanks for watching.
Thanks much for input regarding my comment. Many things to consider in situations such the one covered in this video
This had so many ways to go wrong, honestly it made me nervous to just watch. You have the courage of a lion and the skill of a true saw artist. For most of us, me included, this could easily have gone sideways and I hope people respect the skill you have and not "try this at home"... but it is tempting - who wants to fall anything into the road.
At home we blast something like that....
Bob hi. I could not agrees with your assessment more - "This had so many ways to go wrong". In this neck of the woods a guy sees so much of this type of scenario it gets to be old hat. Not that you should ever go on autopilot, because I don't. I've push the envelope out in the middle of strips before. It helps get an understanding of where the threshold is. God was smiling on me here of course - thankfully!
Thanks for you input and for stopping by.
Skills to pay the bills.
Your welcome enjoy the clips keep em coming.
Nice shot 👍🏻
I see what you mean in your mail about the 064 !
Wow!
Back cut first like Buckin billy ray
M Bennett hi. I've been using this method since back in the '70s. Thanks for watching.
Oh my, I'm thinking "hit it harder" thanks for taking me along. But hell I ain't helpin ya much. :-/
impressive with a chainsaw but would b nice if camera pointed at what he was doing
Brendt hi. This was pretty early on in my use of a GoPro - so hadn't seen to much of what it looked like on the screen. Also, we were watching the bole of the tree to see if it split since they all leaned back pretty "goodly".
Thanks (belated) for watching.
prefer the trypod cam , that way we can learn how you do it. thanks much.
I was not even sure about this operation until about 30 seconds before it was started....... Had the GoPro in my backpack.
Thanks for watching.
What cam are you using?
GoPro. Thanks for watching.
thets one big ass tree and hi from maine
That's pretty good cutting! The GoPro is angled a bit high though can't see what you're cutting just the side of the butt LoL good work though.
I have a stupid question what is the blue question mark for???
Jeremy hi.
It's explained in the description area. Thanks for watching.
“HEY, YOU BUILDING A HOUSE” .... is what my partner would have yelled
T T hi. I know what you reference. No traffic control on a road that this cluster could have reached all the way across. Better safe than sorry.... Thanks for watching.
Not a critique in the way you did any of it. Hope it didn’t come across that way! Brush jokes, gotta love ‘em. First time he ever yelled that at me I, quick as a cat, replied “better a house than a tepee” hahaha
Good work there! Any reason you didn’t just use the jack on it for good measure? Always amazing what them k&h’s lift. I started using more 12” wedges and even in the smaller trees I like them. Keep it up! Good work!
@@TimberTramp I never took it that way. I was pretty "smarty mouth" back in my first
taste of it too.
I first heard this saying back in the '70s. It signifies (use to anyway) the "fight" a guy is having with "directional re-calibration" through all the wedge beating. It sounds like a carpenter framing or the like. Without even being there you know what the guy is going through/up against. It can be heard all the way to the landing sometimes....
Not sure what the new age thought is on it now though. Hope it's not like the "Humboldt undercut" getting altered. Fallers use it but have no idea where/what it came from.
There is always a chance to loose a multiple over backward while trying to jack them. This area is on top of the ridge and gets pounded with wind. The chance that they can/will split apart like in the Dueling Spruce video - filmed a 100 yards or so away - is much greater than normal. By putting the fir into the triple first, along with
having 3 others that could be used to pound it down, the success was pretty much guaranteed - as long as God was smiling me anyway. Losing this operation over backward could/would have been catastrophic as all four would have stretched across a road with no traffic control.
Thanks for watching.
@@hotsaws101 yeah jack exactly, the noise is amazing how it carries...nice way to keep track of a guy though... I guess everyone knows where the "tepee" analogy came from...copy that on the jack. I guess I was actually thinking this was a different video than I was referencing about the jack...I watched too many back to back. Yeah I got ya with the push tree. that was interesting anyway with that big double. no, good work there. Yeah the humboldt is amazing people dont know where it came from then dont realize is actually a three piece instead of the modified that we use so often...High climbers and timber fallers has some great info regarding that subject if anyone is looking for some good reading...I'd kill to catch the tail end of that when you gambled your whole career on one Tree...
I haven't ever seen you "post trees" thats what we call it...face it up and then bore it and come back to where there is about 3" of strap holding it, then pull out and drop your cut about 6" below that strap and cut into the tree... so you would do this on like a heavy leaner or if your pounding your guts out along a buffer. the tree will set on that post then you can go gRAB one on the back Side and you can fall it and just brush your post tree and she'll push right over. You can drive a big tree with a smaller tree and more beneficial is that you can lay all your timber out still. So, along a buffer, I would set like three trees up and then pound one and they would all fall in the lay...run two tapes and you can really get a lot for your time...Works great, gotta watch the wind though. Im sure youve been around guys who do this but I haven't ever seen it in your video. just another tool for the box. Thanks Jack. I can email a drawing if you want more info :)
@@TimberTramp hi. I showed the "tepee affect" ~ 10 months ago in the "Thinning Second Growth" video. The random "can't get it to go through" because of the Velcro like limbs. Or, I hugged it toooo close and my tree became bound in another. I never thought it was self induced like what we see here.
There were three in the pushee cluster with the big blue ?. One was smaller and was lost in the shuffle as they were going down. Thanks. It's not something I would ever recommend though.
I showed a variation of that technic ~ 10 months ago in the "Popping One Off The Stump" video. Head leaner though. Somewhere in the collection (~ 10 years ago - that era of this channel has a few cool vids. ) I have a long distance drive where I was doing that post method. However, if they are really big and lean back heavy, I've seen were you can get into a problem situation as they will settle into the gap of the kerf - better be watchful there lest you get pinched... On hard back leaners, I'll take my chances depending upon the lean/tree with wood pull and leave a solid post like what was seen in the "Piggy Backing" quite often. 99.9% of the time the wood pull goes away once the headrig makes a few passes anyway.
I ran two tapes a lot from ~ '04 to '16 in the smaller wood and here and there other times (Tag Team vid). Quite a bit of the smaller and medium red felling was on one property. That falling boss was WAY past persnickety on low stumps and perfect lengths. I could run two tapes sometimes when the conditions were right for it. BUT, better not have to many mis-mans showing up or it "wood" be a problem.....
I never had the steady use of jacks until ~ the mid '80s. Before that it was a LOT of set 'em up and pounding. Since then, I ran across trees that were to far back to jack and had to be knocked "outta" the sky. I'm pretty well versed on the "Art of the Push" as a result.
Bottom line is I've helped pack out a few that were driving reds. It's super dangerous as the tops are not anywhere as tough as fir (any colour), hemis, tamarack, pine, notably spruce, etc. etc. -unless they are rotten of course.
My recommendation to anyone would to be to approach any drive situation with extreme caution - it only takes one puff of wind to have a das-aster on your hands.
Even when a guy "knows his wood" instances occur where an anomaly of hinge rot will surface. Can't ever be to careful!
It is interesting that you talked about God in your dangerous work. "Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved." (Acts 16:31)
So be it! (Amen)
You mean that mythical sky creature nobody ever see’s? Yea, that doesn’t exist
@@richardyork9495 Jesus Christ existed and he's historical. Jesus was and is God..
@@hotsaws101 Thanks sir.
@@richardyork9495 hi. There are numerous works by historians that were contemporary with Jesus of Nazareth. Josephus and Tacitus are two of those. The "miracles" are recorded, independently, of the Bible by non Christians.
The Smithsonian Institution says the the Bible is one of the most historically accurate "works" that exists.
It actually takes more faith to believe in evolution than God since there is less supporting evidence of evolution.
Your conscience & miracles. They come from somewhere.
Thanks for watching.
Not to shabby...and wow is that 064 smokin!! I'm putting my lunch money together and may try n send you my 064.. it's got a new crank and a few odds n ends the last guy fixed on it..it just needs dialed in plus an insane o port job like that. Lol. Stay safe m7 brother
Hello. You have now had 3 months with no lunch..... Are you ready for an insane-o-ized 064?
Thanks for watching!
Yea I'm been ready it's just my wallet can't get on the same page...lol.love your work and your faith..
I guess this is what an appropriate ratio of testicles-to-brains looks like. Nice work!
batmantiss - chuckled out loud on that one. Thanks for watching.
Those where they grow together always dull your saw !
Huck hi - sometimes they do. Thanks for watching.
could you do a review on the poulan wood shark a ported out one? it is a husky you know
Maybe lost but What happened to the first tree?
He leaned it against the second twinned tree and used it to help it fall where he wanted it to go. Pretty impressive display of skill. If you watch, you can see that all 3 come down together at the end.
There are actually 4 trees involved in this operation. The "drivee" spruce is a triple. The "driver" is a fir.
Thanks for watching.
The first tree is a fir. I used it to drive the three spruce trees. In the end all "four" are going up the hill.
Thanks for watching.
I thought I saw four.
Throttle blip puts more oil on the chain probably maybe.
Weslay hi. Brand new here - one of the first trees it felled. Working the rings a bit, although, I do pulse the trigger a bit more than some out there. Thanks for watching.
very! lost a uncle that way. so I'm told,i was young when it happened. he was 39.
I have been involved in packing a few guys out over the years. Been messed up myself. It's never fun dealing with an injured co-patriot. Falling timber is the most dangerous occupation three out of four years. All we can hope for is that everyone is "right with God" when their number comes up.
Thanks for watching.
Logging extremely dangerous. Safety is paramount. No two trees are the same,and never underestimate any size tree.The little ones will kill you just as fast as the big ones.
wished the camera was better aimed.
shut up
Why?
I would have recommended cutting up the triple spruce first, and then hitting it with the fir. Standing under the cut up fir is the only risky thing I saw. OH ya, pin the throttle instead of playing a song with that hot saw, theirs no better sound than a ported saw tacked out in the back cut. lol...... Keep your head up and paly safe !!!
The video did not do justice to the back lean and associated weight hanging toward the road of the lower two.
Cutting up the triple first "wood" have, imho, landed the shorter of the back two spruce topped out in the relatively high traffic volume road and the taller (four long logs) one topped out across the road. I had fell a couple other double spruce (Dueling Spruce vid is one such) in this strip and found that were not the kind/type that held together on the stump. Most likely because of the wind shake they were getting in this particular location and they were, for the most part, four log trees. This way was, if your not going to jack the lot, the safe bet in this circumstance. Your suggestion would have actually been much less so because there is no way to know if a puff of wind might come up, or even if the stump wood could have held sans any outside influence. There were a few options in this situation, again imho. Leave them standing - which is why the foresters put the big ? on it. Rig the back two and pull all three at once. Rip the three so they are independent, start jacking, and have phun. Or do what you see here.
This saw has a fresh, non oem piston and I had just installed and was trying to see how it would respond/get it to seat in a little bit. Probably could have been a wee bit less "trigger happy" .......
Thanks for watching.
True.. watched the vid again and saw it broke apart before it hit the ground.We can all admit that we have lost the leaner because it didn't hold together. A minimum of 2' vertical holding wood between double trees (more with one of them leaning hard) is a good rule. A real low stump also. Have wished I had a heavy duty ratchet strap on hand for these, but you can only carry so much gear in your pack. They have been strapping some of the big red cedars before we fall them, has worked well to avoid them from slabbing up.
Know your limit.. cut with init.... Take care & play safe !!!
Stihl...awwwwww...fail...
an axt as a wedge...totally amateur like...no skils...just debils...
To be completely, crystal clear, the axe is NOT being used as a wedge! It is, however, being used as an integral part of this felling operation. If it's actual function escapes you, maybe there is still some learning to be had on your end...... Incidentally, the time line bullet points are explained in the video description. It's in there. I am thankful for the opportunity to help others when ever possible. Thanks for watching.
Armchair logger?
My problem with the video is technical, your camera does not show the cutting action as it's happening, it's aimed 3 ft above the saw.
Can't see what your doing with your camera angle.
I can see why u wedge or jack trees over there. no crowns in the trees so very little weight up top and they are so straight. but why cut your back cut first? just can't work out why u do it your way. Cheers from Australia
David Kelly I'm guessing the back cut first on the driver tree was to make absolutely certain that it didn't go into the road. Hence why he put wedges in before the face cut. Just my guess.
David g'day mate. Here is the long winded version.....
The front spruce in the triple was standing pretty straight when plumbed. Limbs of the spruce and fir trees "over there" are very dense and heavy. When plumbing you always consider the limb weight. With this particular four trees here in lies the problem, the back two spruce, smaller one (three long logs tall) on right and larger one (four long logs tall) on the left, looking up the hill in the front triple were leaning back 6 and 8 feet respectively. Also, spruce don't always hold together when growing together like fir and redwood as a side note. The "driver" fir tree (four long logs tall) was hanging back about 5 feet, which is why it took so much persuasion (wedging) to get it moving forward and lodged into the front triple spruce.
Putting the back cut in first, secured with wedges, means you don't lose any more of leverage because tree was not allowed to set back any further (maybe 6 - 8 feet depending on the height of the tree and depth of the back cut) as when you put the face in first. It is especially critical when dealing with taller trees. My way yields less leverage lost which makes it easier to persuade (wedging) the fir up the hill into the spruce triple. I put the fir into the spruce triple to prevent it from setting back any further while sawing it down.
As a side note, there are a lot of sides from the unstable ground caused by erosion and earthquakes in northern Cali. Dealing with trees that are leaning at 30 and 45 degrees from plumb is far more commonplace than a lot of places that I've seen.
I was not even sure about this operation until about 30 seconds before it was started....... Hince, the ? on the tree. The foresters were not even sure it could be felled. that is why they put a question mark on the spruce triple. I talked to my close friend Chris about the possibilities right before this video was filmed. His brother's wife and kids travel the road below the felled trees on a daily basis. The consideration here was not taken lightly.
I hope that my dissertation helped with the understanding of the what and why with these trees.
Thanks for watching.
all sound and no action,,,tree fell of old age,,,saw not even used,,,,or at least i never saw it,,,,,poooor filming,,nothing to see here
With abit of luck next time the tree will fall on you bill. Better for all of us.