An Unfinished Story on Gilmore Girls
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- čas přidán 31. 05. 2024
- This is a video on Tristin Dugray from Gilmore Girls. Tristin appeared in season 1 of the show and had one cameo appearance in season 2. His function was to primarily serve as a "bad boy" character to Dean's "good boyfriend" character. While a lot of Tristin's actions are terrible, there are plenty of Tristin fans. I wanted to explore why people like Tristin and why I liked him when I first watched the show.
Chad Michael Murray left the show for other pursuits so the show writers had to quickly wrap up his character arc and they incorporated some of his plotline into Jess Mariano. Some fans have also argued that some of Tristin's character was incorporated into Logan Huntzberger's character.
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
0:29 The Bad
3:37 The Interesting
7:17 The Ending
8:20 Jess & Logan
9:47 Why do people like Tristin?
10:58 Headcanon - Zábava
Tristan walked so Logan could run, truly
I still wonder how the show would’ve turned out if Tristan stayed. Sure, he was pretty irritating, but he had potential for incredible character development. Seeing him and Rory together could have changed him for the better.
Maybe no Jess or Jess gets introduced at the end of season 2 after Tristan gets his storyline completed.
If Tristan stayed Logan would’ve never existed. Rory and Logan would’ve been Rory and Tristan
Finally somebody who doesn't adore Tristan just becouse of his looks.
He was supposed to be Logan
I agree with the liking Tristan's potential as a character! I also think he and Rory have great chemistry when he is being less of a jerk.
Also not trying to defend his aggression. I just remember being interested in him and his character as well especially when I first watched.
I can't help but agree. I like their interactions when Tristin is being good and I also like the scenes where Rory is annoyed with Tristin. I feel like Alexis Bledel gets flak for her acting sometimes, but I think she did a really good job playing someone who is ticked off at Tristin. The actors did have chemistry together and the scenes worked really well.
Tristan has always been such a wild character for me, I thought he was *bizarre* first watch, but rewatches make it really obvious they had much bigger plans for his character.
I always kinda thought the logan story was originally meant to be Tristan as a college age kid. And originally it was meant to show him making (slow) progression like logan does while Rory starts falling behind (the boat and the DAR etc)
It is interesting how much perception changes on rewatches. On my first watch, I think it was easier for me to like Tristin because there was this element of excitement, wondering where his character will go. On rewatches, I understand why so many people don't like Tristin because we know that Tristin's character doesn't go anywhere.
@@naomismith1241logan’s story was actually meant for tristan so you were right lol,they only changed it since the actor left
I think of Tristan as a pre Logan.
I always wondered how Rory's development would have been affected with his inclusion. Also, just in general dropped plotlines bc of departing actors always fascinate me.
The one I always wonder about this show is if Adam Brody's character, Dave Rygalski, hadn't left the show, how would Lane's development be impacted?
I love to imagine Lane would have gotten more screentime or at least more satisfying plot points but probably not tbh
Dave Rygalski is another character that I really want to cover. Is it bad to say that I'm not optimistic that the show would have given Lane better plotlines even if Dave had stayed? They might have destroyed his character or their relationship if he had stayed. This comment is coming off really critical. 😖I'm not attacking the writers. I get that they have to create drama in order to make a show interesting.
@PensiveWhiskers 😭 At least her baby daddy wouldn't have been Zack 🤢
Seriously though this show treated Lane so badly it's not even funny. First her band loses out in having a successful career. Then Lane has sex ONCE and immediately becomes pregnant and has to give up on all of her dreams to raise her kids with ZACH 🤮🤮
There's a Madtv parody of this show that surprisingly accurately makes fun of the way Lane's character is neglected by the show, especially as the series goes on. Sometimes it just seemed like her purpose was to be there for Rory, rather than exist as a unique character.
And yeah there's a good chance the writers would have assasinated Dave's character out of nowhere like this show likes to do to create drama, but atleast Lane would gave gotten another episode or two of happiness with him 😭
Yes! I've seen the MadTV parody, very accurate when it comes to Lane. I agree with you in that if Dave had stayed, at least he would have been the main partner and not Zach and we would have gotten more cute scenes between Lane and Dave.
I think the gg writers were never good when it came to couples, only rory and dean for like two seconds, but it was a lot more interesting the whole will-they-wont-they? on the romances (Luke and lorelai for example, the two were a lot more interesting before becoming a couple or the most obvious, jess and rory, he literally does the craziest things just so he can spend time with rory only for them to not have screen time when they finally get together and only have bad moments, the black eye, the dean fight, the Saturday night thing, etc) I think with Dave and lane it would've been the same, but with less emphasis on any of the story bc they (writers) never cared for lane's story and they suck for that
I love the brutal honesty. I also think the GG writers didn't want couples happy (except for Babette & Morey). I think it might be because it's a lot harder to create good drama with happy couples than unhappy couples. I think it's possible to write a happy couple while still keeping the audience's interest but it's a lot more challenging so that results in relationships that have a lot of issues.
I never really liked Tristian, but I do think he could have had an interesting arc. Not as a love interest, at least at first, but maybe as a friend? She doesn’t have a lot of guy friends
I couldn't stand Tristan but he definitely could had redemption arc
That would have been really fun to see; Rory and Tristin becoming real friends. I think that would have added a fun dynamic to her Chilton life.
@@decimusvitaeI agree. I remember watching the series as a teen when it first came out and, once they’d moved past him perpetually trolling her, thinking they had good chemistry.
I also felt he would have been better for her character arc in the long run than Dean and Logan. Who knows? With Tristan as her character foil, Rory might have grown up more. Alas, we shall never know.
I believe the original plan was for Tristan and Rory to meet back up in college but the actor didn’t come back? Could just be a rumor I heard tho. I think that would makes sense tho as to why Tristan and Logan’s backstories feel similar
I do think that Logan is an "evolved" Tristan, who Tristan would have become after maturing a little. The characters are very similar and even look alike.
I think the story is that Logan and Jess were who Tristan could have been and because Chad Michael Murray left ASP split the character with Jess getting the more care free, street smart, pranker ( obviously Lots of things added but it seems from observation he got part of Tristan’s personality while Logan got the blond, preppy, rich ( sorry it’s been a long week but hopefully you get where I am going) but basically I see it as they bits and pieces from Tristan and divided it between the characters
I heard that rumor too. I tried to do some digging into ASP's plans for Chad Michael Murray but I couldn't find a lot of information, but that could be just because I wasn't looking in the right places.
@@PensiveWhiskers It's always been speculation from us Tristan fans. Logan's similarities were really validating or us.
To be honest though, ASP doesn't notice when she's repeating herself.
Yes apparently Logan was supposed to be Tristan, but Chad Michael Murray was in one tree hill
I was a shy introverted girl when I was rorys age. So I was kinda attracted to Tristan because he had that little of crazy and blunt and zero timid or submissive. My personal favorite bad boy after jess
Omg Tristan crumbs 😭 but no seriously, when I first watched Gilmore Girls I was incredibly annoyed by his character and rolled my eyes pretty much whenever he popped up on screen, but upon further rewatches, I definitely started to see the potential and would’ve liked the full redemption arc/character development. It lowkey haunts me that we’ll never know how his and Rory’s dynamic would’ve evolved.
Hahahaha, I know what you mean. There was so much story there. At least we got One Tree Hill out of it (I never watched it, but I know some people really liked that show).
I don't understand how anyone think Tristan and Rory had potential when he was a jerk to her from the beginning. His behavior baffles me and his fans baffles me too.
@@lauriecarson6483 Ok. That’s your opinion, lol.
tristan dugray is such a slay name tbh
I haven't thought about that. That is a cool name.
I agree. I think he would've be willing to change - but yes, he is so amazingly problematic. But as a character he is fun to watch.
Same here, I thought his scenes were fun. I think they added more to Rory's story about acclimating to a new school and created more tension for her and Paris.
I was here to defend Tristian, but rewatching his behavior back as an adult instead of teen REALLY changes my perspective. Like, yikes?!? I def just had a crush on Chad Michael Murray when I was a child lmao
LMAO! Same 😭
Yeah, when you put it all together, it's pretty bad. I was expecting to get a lot of hate in the comments about how I described him in "the bad" section. Maybe the criticism is yet to come. I don't like being mean to characters so I always try to find redeeming qualities or interesting qualities. I did think his character was interesting, even though he wasn't great.
@@PensiveWhiskers 100% I think you were so spot in your argument that the writers were setting him up to be redeemed, then he got cut so they just replaced him with Jess. He was definitely becoming softer, caring, and sweet, but I must have just completely overlooked his previous actions as a child and thought he was just a dreamboat thru and thru lol
There was a Gilmore Girls fanfiction story on Wattpad I had read sometime ago, which had Tristan coming back into Rory's life after the show ended (Not the revival but original show). It was interesting to read one of the ways his character would have developed few years down the line.
Oh interesting! Did he turn out for the better?
@PensiveWhiskers I think so. I am not able to recollect if his past was addressed. But he turned out to be very good in the present.
I agree that there is a trade in the show for the obnoxious jerk that eventually becomes relatable. I'm not sure if Jess should be perceived as less aggressive than Tristan. Tristan is more direct, but Jess is more manipulative, sneaky, and a liar.
I would have preferred his return over introducing Logan...or maybe to serve as a vs. to Logan.
He was still the lead on One Tree Hill so couldn’t have came back
I feel like Logan became what Tristin was supposed to be. They have so much in common (down to the blond hair) and Tristin would have more reflected Rory’s parents’ journey and this show loves its parallels.
It also makes me wonder who that 3rd love interest would have turned out like (if we got one at all?) had he stuck around. A totally different 3rd archetype?
Thanks for all the background info and deep dive! I assumed CMM went straight to One Tree Hill. What could have been…
Okay yay you are not one of those people who ship Rory with Tristin... which the potential could be there if the writers developed Tristin's character and the actor didn't have to leave. There is potential in his character but definitely as someone else wrote in the comments, it would have been interesting for him and Rory to become friends. I like how different aspects of him were given to other Rory's love interests - thanks for pointing that out!
If Tristan wasn't rich and good looking, people wouldn't have given his behavior a pass. He did nothing but harrass Rory and taunt Dean. His refusal to respect Rory's boundaries, and refusal to take no for an answer were a huge turn off. He was a walking harassment case waiting to happen, and he wasn't worthy of a redemption arc.
I feel like Tristan Was interested in Summer, because they look so much alike. Her hairstyle in particular is a very Rory like style
I'm one of those shippers! Rory's dance was the first episode I ever watched, and when I saw him giving the longing look, I thought, "Oh I hope he gets the girl." It was years before I saw the beginning of the show when I got the series on DVD. I used to think he could have come back after military school, reformed. But I let that idea go. This show doesn't do character development for characters who are around for more than a guest appearance. It isn't great on continuity, either.
More recently, I've been thinking he was just supposed to be like the asshole character in an 80's teen movie, but this show can't help but have all the guys fall for Rory. I still write Tristan/Rory fanfiction. Their high school background is a good trope for romance plots. I always thought he was redeemable, and that he's not bad to the core. I'm open to liking unlikable characters if they give me a reason (bad parents is the go-to Save the Cat move for this show; it's the signal that we're supposed to sympathize with the character now; frankly, it got old). I also like to see potential love interests not get along. It's more interesting to me. That's just how I like my fiction.
Hey! I also feel like Tristin was modeled after the high school jerk trope. I like unlikeable characters that change over time or that clearly decide to be the villain and play the bad guy really well. The show does lean heavily into "bad parents" as a background for a lot of characters. I just figured that the show picked generational trauma as the overarching theme and so incorporated that theme into a lot of the characters. I could see how that would be frustrating for a lot of people, as it's a similar background.
Pretty sure Tristan is just Logan junior with a required recast when the actor left for greener pastures (just like Lane's boyfriend's arc). So if we want to know what would have happened -it's just those later character timelines!
First thank you for covering the show, I was kinda shocked how little there is about it on youtube and it's awesome to see someone go more in depth and these character pieces had been great so far. Girlmore girls had always been kinda special show for me, when I was teen it was only show I could watch with my mom that wouldn't drive the other one crazy and it became lifelong comfort show I rewatch every few years, especially earlier seasons. I guess I've been watching it for so long I grew up from having crush on Rory (I swear I can't tell why now...) to having crush on Lorelai (I know exactly why, I'm looking forward when you get to her to see if you might have the same theory I've been having for a while now)
With that background out of the way to Tristin. I used to hate Tristin when I was younger until I realised he's perfect "fun to hate" character, a lot thanks to being so well acted. I think Logan also intentionally started out as seemingly very similar character. Sure with more thought and class but the thing of note is that Logan is also few years older and my theory is that in Tristin's age it's pretty likely Logan could've been very similar. It's not that hard to see Logan as Tristin that grew up, especially given the arc Tristin's character went through while on the show and I see it have been discussed here that could've been the plan if they were able to get the actor back. Let me go with different fun to imagine alternate version of the show then. What if Tristin came back but as Logan's foil instead, changed through the harsh military school experience and remorseful of his previous actions... or more likely as even greater brat given that's the usual thing that happens when someone is punished and traumatised even more in attempts to correct bad behaviour. Either way it probably would be more fun to watch than clumsy attempts to have "nice guy" Marty as Logan's foil instead.
Hi! I'm happy that I get to add to the Gilmore Girls pool on CZcams! I don't know if you've seen other channels that cover Gilmore Girls, but Serena Skybourne and Kierra Loves TV also have a few videos on the show. I've seen a few more out there that I would be happy to recommend if you are looking for more GG content!
With respect to Tristin, it would have been interesting to have him come back as a foil to Logan. I have a feeling that the show wouldn't have liked that direction because of fear that the audience would perceive them as similar but I would have liked to see it. I would be curious to see how Tristin turned out after his military school experience.
I’ve watched a couple of your videos, analyzing Gilmore girls and just wanted to say, they are really great. There a a couple points that I hadn’t even thought of until you brought it up.
It was nice to get a new perspective. Keep making videos!
Thank you! If there is anything that you notice that would add more context or different interpretations to the characters, please don't hesitate to share!
@@PensiveWhiskers Will do!
I think if Chad stayed on the show, Tristan would evolve to become a Jess + Logan combined character. When they are in high school, they will have a relationship that didn’t really end well because Tristan still hasn’t fully matured yet. Then they will meet again after a few years in college and Tristan will go into the Logan arc.
I love this. I think about this every re-watch
Dean shoul'vd whooped his ass at the dance. Man had no redeeming qualities, I don't understand why people like him, but they're the same people that fucked with Jess. He was corny, a loser, and annoying as hell. When he took Rory books because she would'nt go to a concert with him, at the last last ep. of season 1, "I'm like this man lame as hell". Dean is easily the most disrespected character in the show, and I'm not even a fan of him.
To think there is a redemption arc somewhere.... That his friendship with Rory would better him.... Stories like this only further the myth that we can "change" the guy and that our emotional labour should be freely given. This would have been just another toxic storyline.
To your point, I agree. I would have liked to see a redemption arc that wasn't caused by Rory. If I was the writer, I would have made him get into more trouble and in that downward spiral, he would have started to recognize the path that he was on. Since Rory is the protagonist, it's likely the show would have gone the other direction since he is a tertiary character and his character arc would have to tie back to Rory. In the ideal scenario, I think it would have been great to see him change without Rory's influence.
@@PensiveWhiskers There could have been outside forces, that is true. But to a certain degree the bad boy becoming "good" ( the reformed rake, the devil who cares.for a specific woman...) is still a trope that actively hurts women. We can not even over state how much romantic movies (and some books) show very unhealthy relationships and glorify them.
I was thinking of something along the lines of American History X, not tied to women, but to a story of recognition of your own wrongdoing and understanding how your upbringing influenced a bad direction and how to break free from that.
I would have liked to see him in the revival at least and with a little more than just his back… but yes I think Tristan and David would have made Gilmore girls a lot better 🥲
And David??
I think the reference might be to Dave Rygalski? @lizzfg let me know if I guessed that right. From what I've read, Chad Michael Murray was supposed to come back for the revival but then the actor backed out, so they kept his scene with another actor. I would have liked to see him in the revival too.
@@PensiveWhiskers yes, Dave Rigalski, sorry, because both actors left the show because of similar reasons but their characters were so good that I think the show would have been so different, I think...
awesome video!!!
Thank you! 😄
I suspect that Tristan was originally meant to follow the story arch that Jess ended up having.
Troubled, acts out, womaniser turned into a deeper more sensitive guy that Rory has a soft spot for.
I’ve heard that Tristan was supposed to be end game for Rory but since he left the show, Logan was supposed to be his replacement. I don’t know about this theory. While it makes sense and Logan and Tristan are similar, I like Logan far better because he doesn’t antagonize Rory, he’s pretty nice to her when he first meets her unlike Tristan. Im happy Tristan left the show by no fault of CMM. I just didn’t like the Rory/Tristan romantic plot line. I was glad it didn’t go anywhere. In the revival, they get a completely different actor to play Tristan (because it’s not like anyone will notice he’s not Chad Michael Murray, right? 🙄) but other than the fact that he’s single and still obviously looking, there’s no more context than that.
I theorized on my LiveJournal years ago that he could have been the endgame if he came back (or didn't leave) because he'd have been the long game will-they-won't-they for Rory, because audience expectations would have forced it. But now that I know what the "real" ending was, I concede.
@@nicoleb3371 that’s interesting. Looking at it with the ending, it makes sense that they planned for him to be end game because they needed someone to be Rory’s baby daddy. Since CMM left, they needed someone so they got Logan.
@@OfficialSTJones Yeah, I don't really consider that the ending. They promised the opposite for so long (how many times did Rory and Lorelai insist Rory wouldn't get pregnant? They insisted she really was the great white hope. They promised and promised she'd go out into the world), just to slap us in the face at the end.
I really don't even look at it from the perspective of the ending. I've always looked at it from season 4. It's just so obvious they didn't have a love life for Rory that year and made a desperate attempt to piece together something for her in the second half of the season-she told Dean goodbye at the end of season three, Jess was supposed to be on his own show. It was so piecemeal I was really confused why she was falling onto her bed with Dean.
That was the same year CMM started One Tree Hill. Then Logan was so similar. Just seemed like that was the time Tristan should have returned for a new plot arc.
I felt validated at Logan's first appearance (I knew why he was there), but then depressed because it wasn't just that CMM was unavailable. Tristan would have been redundant.
@@nicoleb3371 to be completely honest with you, season 4 is personally my favorite and the only thing that completely ruined that season for me was the Dean storyline. I liked that she was single and struggling with dating. It seemed realistic. They could have had Rory do so many great things and meet a different new guy or keep her single for season 5 but the Dean storyline ruined going in a positive direction with Rory, at least that season. You have great point that they kept insisting she wouldn’t get pregnant to the point where they made it clear that pregnancy grossed her out when Sookie had her baby after Lorelai and Rory went to throw her a baby shower. I had heard the show runner talk about the final four words even back then and she said she had that plan from the beginning so I found that interesting. I agree, Tristan just wouldn’t have been a good character if he’d stayed.
@@OfficialSTJones Yes, the final four words were "planned from the beginning" or whatever. The showrunner also pouted about the series not ending how she wanted because Rory was supposed to go out on a big adventure "which she sort of was" with the season seven ending.
I don't mind that Rory was single and struggling in S4. They just don't do anything constructive with it. She never considered doing anything else. She didn't have to write outside her comfort zone on the paper. Did she have to make up the class she dropped? Her struggles were only used to push her into Dean's arms.
And when I think Tristan should have come back in season four, I wouldn't necessarily want them to get together too early. He'd have to work for it. I always thought he'd have to act right and develop, be decent so it would make sense to the audience.
I think making Logan's dad a big shot newspaper guy was a shortcut. Those of us who were waiting for Tristan were frustrated. Like, you want this guy? Thought he wasn't your type.
I liked the show more without Tristan, but I think Rory would have treated him just as badly as she treated Dean, Jesse, Logan, and Paul if they got together, which seemed to be where the writers wanted to head before Chad Michael Murruy got _One Tree Hill_ and other recurring TV Shows and movie roles that took his time away from _Gilmore Girls._ And that's why it could feel like Tristan's unfinished story was broken up into other characters.
In my opinion I think that Logan is a good example of who Tristan could've been, they're both very similar characters in my opinion and Logan's essentially like a bitter version of Tristan, Logan still has his floors and I still have issues with him as a character, but if you comparing him to Tristan he is definitely the bitter version although they are both very similar characters.
Do we know if the order of the episodes was changed between filming and airing? Because it always feels like Tristan was meant to leave before Jess arrived but maybe it was changed to make it feel less like he was being replaced
That's a good question. I always assumed that Chad Michael Murray officially left at the end of season 1 but then agreed to come back for one episode and the show writers worked around his schedule, which is why Tristin's departure is randomly placed in episode 9. Now that you raise this question, I could see the show filming episode 9 much earlier but then placing it later in the season so that it doesn't look too conspicuous that Tristin is passing the torch to Jess.
the very unfinished story really drives me nuts. And really everyone like Tristin! hmmmmmm high school bad boy crush hahahah
Tristan definitely had the potential to become a good character if chad had stayed on the show i hope that if they do another revival i would like to see Tristan because im curious to see how much he grew up and changed like jess when i originally watched the show i couldn't stand him but as an adult you can tell he does have a destructive home life
if he was ugly he'd be the most hated
the pretty privilege happening
TBH the first time I watched Gilmore Girls the characters of Logan and Tristan kind of blended together for me cause they look the same.
Another reason people like Tristan is the actor and I'm not saying he's cute I mean he is, it's Hollywood so he couldn't be ugly but my point is that him and the dude from Cruel intentions are the only actors I've really seen pull off this kind of role oh and the third and final love interest from Crazy Ex Girlfriend. I've always been curious what could have happened if he stayed I like the idea that if he had him and Rory never wind up dating and are friends. You know you should do a video on Lane and her relationship with... You know her band mate guy who got her pregnant I'm sorry I can't remember his name, I say this because as I imagined Tristan staying in the show I imagined him meeting other characters like Lane and I couldn't help but think 'Tristian and Lane would be cute two characters who have nothing in common and never share a scene together have to better than the guy Lane did wind up with' and I know I'm not the only one who doesn't really like that guy... Whose name i can't remember which if anything should prove my point.
You and I appear to have similar tastes. I really liked Ryan Philipe back in the day (from Cruel Intentions). I was also a big fan of Nathaniel in Crazy Ex Girlfriend. I've thought about doing a video on Crazy Ex Girlfriend for a while, but I didn't have a good idea other than a general video. A friend gave me a really good idea recently, maybe I'll execute it.
I could talk about Lane and Zach and I might eventually but her story arc with Zach just makes me sad so I haven't wanted to. Doesn't mean I won't do it, it's just that I avoid some topics because they make me frustrated to talk about. I would like to do a video on Lane's bandmates. I liked Zach when he was just a band member, but I didn't enjoy his character as much when he was with Lane.
@@PensiveWhiskers Just talking about Lanes band and the bandmates is a good place to start you can get into Lanes relationship with Zack later. Maybe you could do a video similar to what you did here that Video on Rory from the guys perspective but with Rebecca from her guys perspective something like that is also a good way to refresh everyone on the show.
Ooh! Now that would be interesting. That video would be bizarre, because she is kind of the villain in her relationships. It would definitely be more complex than analyzing Rory's actions because of Rebecca's mental health. I am more inclined to be sympathetic to Rebecca because of her internal struggles.
Oh my god I love Nathaniel too! He does remind me of Tristan.
I despised Tristan as a character; was thrilled when, at last, he made his last appearance.
Can you do an episode on Jackson??
Hey! I might, I have a lot of topics I'm trying to cover with the show so I will keep him in mind.
I hate Tristin but I love your videos so I am going to watch this
tristan was supposed to come back in the show, rory and tristan wouldve met in yale but chad obvi left so they added Logan
Maybe you can do a video on Zack sometime, I think he gets a bad rap. I understand how lovable Dave was, but that doesn't make Zack a bad guy. (the part where he throws a tantrum about Brian writing a song for Lane was cheap drama and out of character imo). But other than that he's actually adaptable, loyal, musically talented, and supportive of his wife. I don't think it's a bad match
Someone else also asked for Zack in the comments! I was thinking of covering him but in the context of the band, not his relationship with Lane. I liked the dynamic that the band had.
It would’ve been cool to have seen Tristan’s character develop more but I think the introduction of Jess’s character made the show more dynamic
I also liked the introduction of Jess' character so I guess it all worked out in the end. It would have been interesting if they brought Tristin back for some cameo appearances, but it probably wouldn't have been significant.
Tristan's boy school bullying tactic to get Rory's attention isn't THAT aggressive, her life wasn't in danger lol. He was making passing comments/teasing to get her to go out with him, which is normal behaviour for school boys to get girls attention. I'm not saying it's the right thing to do, or excusing a fictional characters actions, but it's something that will always happen, can't be regulated and/or worked on... unlike Dean's creepy stalker behavior!!! And the ownership he feels he 'has' over Rory, which Tristan doesn't. Even in the way they both kiss Rory shows how different their characters are. Dean tricks her by distraction, and kissed her by surprise, which is something someone does to later on into dating, not the first kiss!! When Tristan kissed her, he showed Rory he wanted to kiss her, checking more than three times how she was responding with her body language, confirmed she wanted to and then did it. Which is the actual right way to go about kissing someone for the first time. What Dean's kiss meant is that he wants to be in control and puts his desires he has onto her, not caring about hers, because she is a 'pure girl', who could never want the same things he does, whereas Tristan treats the girls in physical intimate moments very respectfully. But people would definitely disagree with me because Tristan wants to have sex with Rory, while Dean wants to keep her a virgin, and that is more respectful to people, but I don't think that is, it's gross. It gives off the idea that sex will corrupt your mind, especially girls, but I doubt that if Rory had sex with one of her boyfriend's in highschool that her grades will suffer, that's just stupid and sexist. Whatever someone else did (her mum), you cannot tell teenage girls what they can do with their sexual bodies, don't tell them to abstain from sex, educate them on practicing safe sex instead. Anyway the moral is, Dean is an obsessive sexist stalker, Jess is a purposeful asshole, and Logan is an unloving toxic mess. #teamtristan #redemptionarc
He had potential tho
Its so sad to me that Paris had such a silly crush on Tristan when she could do so much better. I think Paris maybe recognises him as a "kindred spirit" due to the potential trauma bond. Both neglected by parents coming frodm rich families .
Yay!!!! First comment
you liked Chad, not trisTAAAAAANNNNN (dean's voice)
I didn't like Tristan, not even as a guy (of course I love chad michael murray), yes he is attractive but he is a bully. Like you said he tries to get the love that the didn't get at home outside the home and in unhealthy ways (bullying is one way to get love). Rory was VERY patient with him, I wouldn't last that long around a guy like Tristan, I'd probably tell him off or scare him away with insults, lol.
lol, scaring him away is the best way to go. Rory was way too patient.
Tristan and Logan are basically the same character
I never liked Tristan at all, i hate people who cant take no for an answer 💀
Because you are a woke clown
Paris and Rory would never be friends... and she got her bad boy a few yrs later anyway. Would Jess be different should Rory and Tristan date?
i can fix him
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No need to wonder because Logan is Tristan. Check for yourself.
I never liked him.. not for one second. He got away with it because he's a protected rich boy that girls fawned over like he was a prize. To me he's just another Dean. Whiny. Bratty. Petty. And only wanted Rory to stoke their male ego.
From what we see, none of the privileged kids we see have good home life's. Which for me kinda feels like a "stop being jealous, they all actually have it hard" message to the audience.
But i like your comparison from Jess and Tristan, because both also have an intellictual spark with paris (jess and paris are still my guilty pleasure ship)
For me, I kind of get the impression that ASP gave generational trauma to almost all the kids. 😆 It really feels like the overarching theme of the entire show. Lane, Jess, and Marty are also given a troubling home life. The more characters I review, the more parallels I see.
@@PensiveWhiskers true..
I think they wanted Lorelai to stand out as an exceptionally good mother even though she was mainly okay.
So every other parent was given a flaw, to make her shine by comparison.
Dean's parents seemed to be quite fine, but they have hardly any screen time...
@@saraa.4295 Totally agree, 100%. Luke's parents were the exception. Of course, they were dead.
I like your explanation of why people lije Tristan despite all the horrible things he did, but youre forgetting a major aspect of the situation, pretty privilege. I don't think anyone would be as forgiving if Tristan was pkayed by an ugly actor
This is a Damon Elena situation like how can you ship someone so bad with Rory just because the actor is attractive. Anyways nice video
I like your analogy. I never finished The Vampire Diaries but from what I've seen, I can see the parallels.
Supposedly, Chad Michael Murry was an asshole in real life. Says Busy Philips
Tristan would have worked as Rory's Christopher moreso than Logan did. But Logan was more likeable
Its so weird to me that between two characters of CMM, Tristin and Lucas Scott, the second is so uncharismatic and unattractive to me. Some would say that I just like badboys but I think that Tristin is much more entertaining and had so much potential.
I've never watched One Tree Hill, but I could see how the writing influences how we see the character. Tristin was written in a little bit of a mysterious way because it seems like the show was hinting at a compelling backstory or an interesting character arc (which never happened). I think no matter how charismatic an actor might be, the actor's charisma can't save a character.
Finally, his name spelled correctly! Tristin, not Tristan. :)
Really?? Since when. Where is the official spelling of his name confirmed? I'm very curious.
@@VioletEmerald it's on IMDB for the original series. And it was always written like this in the subtitles. The pronunciation was closer to Tristin than Tristan in the series too, except for the school dance scene with Dean in 1.season, where I always thought he said like that to provoke.
I thought it was spelled "Tristan" for the longest time. I had to triple check the spelling of his name before making the thumbnail. Misspelling the name of the title character in the video would have been a nail in the coffin for me. Thank you for commenting that I got it right. 🙂
Haha, even in netflix the subtitles called him Tristan. I got confused.
I’m so early Tristan is a creep
You are boring
I hated Tristan being a jerk, but guys have s strange way of showing they like a girl sometimes, don't they? It thought it was kind of sweet how he called Rory "Mary" one last time though... but yeah, he was a bad boy.. who I think was maybe lonely for better people in his life.