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Starts with Brad Tandy - The Leg Kick
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In this swimming starts video series with Olympian Brad Tandy shows us one of the most powerful, yet underutilized techniques for your start; the back leg kick. Catch the rest of the series on our subscription service theraceclub.com . You will see how one of the fastest starters of all time, Olympian Brad Tandy, effectively kicks his back leg up on the start to enhance his leg push off of the block.With incredible speed and power, Brad separates his two legs by over three feet in air, kicking his right foot way up, before bringing the feet back together for his entry. You will see how two elite athletes, Aaron Greenberg and Marcus Schlesinger learn how to use this powerful coupling motion, kicking their back leg up to enhance their starts. You will find some of our most effective Race Club drills for learning this important motion, so you can improve your starts for better racing.
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Nice! Thanks for sharing
Our pleasure!
I hope Aaron can learn one or two...lol
@@sosystematic1354 bro... WTF 💀
Thank you, this is high level.
You are welcome.
Taking full advantage the new wedge. It’s probably initially great athletes, or great “land” athletes that take advantage this way. Great work to notice and then teach this technique to other great swimmers! Nice job.
I agree. Those with high vertical leaps can benefit more from this start technique.
Tandy had an incredible start. But from my perspective, I don’t think everyone need to be doing starts exactly like him, just need to get a great form, and developing a monster jumping ability. If you look at Tandy, Proud, Dressel, these guys all have superb vertical leap.
You are correct and that may be the most important quality. But I can assure you that the three coupling motions of head lift, arm motion and back leg kick just add distance to their leaping ability.
@@theraceclub Does this work well on a regular flat starting block with out the back foot piece?
@@Aaron-zk6jn yeah, we tried this at our pool without one and it worked fine
True, but if you notice these swimmers also use the kick on their start
@@theraceclubcan we keep head down before during Start,coz during the start brad has lifted his head little up and then has taken head down
I tried it, works great and feels good HAHA
Glad you like it!
Brad Tandy, Caleb Dressel, and Kosuke matsui have some of the best starts that I’ve ever seen.
I have not studied Kosuke's start yet, but certainly agree with you about the other two swimmers. I will check his out.
@@theraceclub awesome. Here’s a link to a video of one of his starts if it’s hard to find on youtube (he hasn’t had many international races outside of the ISL I don’t think)
czcams.com/video/mB3lwB8_mBY/video.html
@@theraceclubWhat about of Nicholas Santos?
I contributed Japanese subtitle for this video about a month ago.
I'll be glad if you publish it 😉
Please send it out to all of the swimmers in JAPAN! We'd love for them to see it.
Thank you for publishing the Japanese title and subscription!
But the link display in the subscription is incorrect so I sent an adjusted version. Sorry for that.
Please republish it and the Japanese caption as well!
@@theraceclub Thank you so much for publishing Japanese subtitles!
I would appreciate it if you publish the emended "Title & description" too.
Thanks again!
Akk, this is a lot of misinterpreted data. What you are observing is that the Tandy start allows more force generation from the front leg than using a conventional leg start. The big clue here is when the guy is saying "I like to put my dominant foot back." Guess what... the dominant leg (the one you kick a ball with) is your weaker leg. The non-dominant leg is the stronger one, because when you are kicking it has to hold up your weight. Forget the velocity meter. Just put a force / pressure plate under each foot in the "Tandy" start.
The weight back start that Brad (and most elite male swimmers) use enables the swimmer to have three different sources of propulsion and at three different times. Arms first, back foot second, front foot last. All three have the potential to contribute to the propulsion off the blocks. With weight forward the propulsion is mostly generated from the front foot. As far as which foot goes forward, at TRC we simply ask the swimmers to try both ways and pick the one most comfortable. That seems to work best.
That was great! Brad's start is awesome!
Yes it is!
Incredible perfectly information for start.
Thanks for your sharing!
You are welcome! Brad has an incredible start.
Thanks for this! I got a basic Physics question: what is the real purpose of the leg kick? In my understanding, once the swimmer is in the air after leaving the blocks, he can no longer exert forces on his own center of mass, because there's nothing to push against (neglecting the air). As far as I can see, moving various limbs in the air phase can only affect the body's rotation / position while entering the water, is this correct?
Thanks for the video. 👏👏😀
You're welcome 😊
It's a good way out. Greetings from Mexico.
Greetings from San Diego, Ricardo!
Great video! I will practice
Yes. Practice!!
What a beatiful start i really want to learn it
Yes..Brad learned this start at age 7, so you can learn it too! Practice.
Tout simplement beau. Merci !
You are welcome!!
Brad Tandy was in front in final 50m freestyle olympic 2016 after the start. I love his technique and his entrance (that thumb up and smiled) at that time. Immediately become his fans. Can someone explain why he didn't win the race?
It takes more than a great start to win a race...even the 50. I know Brad is working on his kick speed and stroke rate, so watch for him to be faster in Tokyo.
Fact he was even in the final makes a huge deal
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I remember in rio he had the fastest start in the 50 free final
Yea...he was out there. One of the best in the world...if not THE best starter.
theraceclub brad is amazing, but Dressel is better. Probably due to Caleb’s unbelievable vertical jump
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Thanks!
Hi I’m a swimmer for Special Olympics I would love to learn how to do this died so I watch it over and over to see cause I swim the 25 butterfly the 25 freestyle and I swim the 50 freestyle and I’m on the 4 x 50 medley relay here in Houston Texas
Good luck... it definitely takes some practice!
Good verry good I love this
Glad you like it!
Love it!
Thanks. Brad is one of the best in the world.
Who’s that talented swimmer who did that amazing up 🦵
Brad Tandy
I have been watching the European championships to see what is new. What stood out to me is that none of them are using this start technique. I remember seeing it some after I first watched this video. Is this some thing that is no longer used? No arm lift either...
No. Some, like Caeleb Dressel, using a very similar technique, have figured it out. Most have not.
Hope this helps me because my start is not good
Good luck!
Amazing I learn tandy style plzz
Ok thank you
Come to dynamo swim club
We'd love to! Come to San Diego or Islamorada.... bring your dad too!!!!
I have seen many swimmers bend their knees before entering the water on the start, but never a full upward leg kick like Brad's.
The upward kick of the back leg, particularly the way Brad does it, is a powerful coupling motion when done aggressively. Don't use the bend the knee motion, which is commonly used by young swimmers.
great
Thanks!
Mr. Gary Hall Sr, see 100m free final, Seoul 88, Chris Jacobs, lane 5 (next to Biondi) for the first (unoticed, maybe?) days of this technique.
Greetings from Brasil. Love and share all your videos. Hope one day my litle kids will swim with you 😊
Just watched it in slow motion. Chris's start was different in that he stops his arm motion at his waist and then brings the bent arms forward even with or below the chest. Brad never stops the motion of his arms and keeps them straight all the way through the big circle. The continuous motion is key. The first guy I saw do something similar was Eamon Sullivan of Australia. His arms were bent and more like what Caeleb Dressel uses today...but both bringing the arms over the top of their chests
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I've been working on this start, but I repeatedly am faced with the issue of entering too steeply. Does anyone have any advice on this?
Thanks
Keep your head looking forward longer. If you look down too soon you will go too deep.
@@theraceclub thank you! Everything you guys make it top-notch!
I tried the dive but my (even with different dives) legs drop ALOT. Could you give me any tips please?
Work on the hip lift! Push your hips back as you enter the water.
My back flexing in wrong direction how can i fix it? Any drills? Because i got it but my entry in the water kinda bad
practices the leg kick on the deck holding on to the starting block.
Is it possible to do this WITHOUT a starting block? If I can’t access blocks during practice should I practice it without one and still do it in a race?
No you need a block to do this start.
Is it the leg split in the air that's beneficial or does having that big a split mean you pushed off the wedge that more explosively? I was just wondering if that extra knee bend while in the air makes a big difference? Sorry for asking a question on an old video but very cool!
It has to do with the kinetic energy of the leg movement. The mass and the speed it moves upward are the main determinants.
@@theraceclub that makes a lot of sense, thank you! :)
How can i lift the hips and keep the legs extended to have a cleaner start?
If either the hips flex (lift) too much or if the body remains straight (no hip flexion) the swimmer's body tends to go too deep on the start. By lifting the hip (flexing) about 15 degrees, the swimmer enters at the right angle so the knees don't need to bend as much at the leg entry (to avoid going too deep). Hope this helps.
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thanks!
nice fantastic
Thanks! Brad makes it look easy.
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Does it the same if we don’t have the block for the rearward feet ?
Yes, you just don't get as much propulsion from the back foot without the wedge.
@@theraceclub Thanks !
You make a incredible work
If we do it with out the angle fin, how do we prevent kids from tumbling or going straight down?
Whether you have the track pad or not, you need to arch your back and lift your head up in order to counter balance. Hope that helps! You can see how Brad and Aaron (at the end) use their upper body to prevent them from going over the top. Keep practicing! you'll get it...
Dr. Gary Hall Sr.
Thanks so much. It was an honor to hear you speak at ASCA in Anaheim, Ca. This year. It was a pleasure to meet you in person and have you answer questions. Thanks very much.
That thumbnail confused the hell out of me
Get a beach ball and get someone to hold it and try kicking it into the air. You will get it.
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@@theraceclub mb i was just timesnapping so i could watch it in slomo a couple times
Hello. Can we do this start in a starting block without the incline platform of the back foot?
Great question! Yes you most certainly can.
FYI, I flipped the wedge around in practice the other day and some of my athletes say it works better. Better foot purchase and better back leg drive......wonder if it’s legal😂
Not sure what you did but the angle of the back plate is set by FINA rules.
If that’s the case, we best not do it in a meet. I I should have been consulted before they set the angle! Ha ha 😂. From a track and field background the starting blocks have fore and aft adjustment as well as angle. In this case, something is better than nothing.
Ok but let’s be honest who’s actually going to use that
You'd be surprised. We have taught hundreds of swimmers (including very young ones) to use this technique. It takes years to perfect it, like Brad, but most swimmers can learn to do it.
@theraceclub l wasn’t meant to be rude. But l just think it looks pretty exotic
@@timleung2315 that exotiqueness is called professionalisn
I personaly would not do this i mean everyone has their own way of starting
Not everyone can implement the Tandy start, but we shoot for the gold standard and this is the gold standard.
As a learning swimming swimmer this video really messed me up. You have to have perfect normal starts before trying to add this.
Yes. We are not saying that this start is easy to do. It is the best start we have found.
Many swimmers start in front of them on their left feet.
I think most people have strong right feet.
I wonder why they put their left foot in front of them.
Some elite swimmers put dominant foot forward. Others prefer to put it on the back plate. There is no "right' way to do it. Just do what feels most comfortable.
theraceclub thank you!!!
I personaly wouldnt use his start because its just not for me i would just belly flop XD
This is a high risk, high reward start with many components. Unless you do it well and practice it at least 100 times, you are likely better off with your old start.
We like to go for the gold standard and on the start, this is it.
Yeah im not strong enough to do this but i would say my old start is still good though it gets me a pass the flags on the entry and then add the underwaters easily 15 meters about
@@theraceclub Thanks for this reply. As an older swimmer I sensed this might be too risky for me. I wish I was young again. Looks fun.
You don’t swing ur arms around
You do if you want to win.
I tried this the other day, almost went ass over tit, but I eventually got it
Good!! Practice makes perfect. Keep your head looking forward for as long as you can.
this video is so wrong on so many levels, trying to coach swimmers to mimic a form for the sake of achieving the form; without a clear understanding of the forces involved to get a good powerful start off the blocks.
If this technique is to be taught/ utilised, It should be a result of the natural follow through from the power driven from the ankle's plantar flexion into the block, raising the backleg, not just from the tightening of the hamstrings/gluts to have a horse like kick when it doesnt drive the force INTO the block.
if you're emphasizing the need to raise the back leg just for the sake of copying a form, you're doing it wrong. having the swimmers generate better push off the blocks beats telling them to 'raise' your back leg. if you copy without understanding the reason and fail to activate the right muscles, you're just wasting energy by not driving a bigger force into the block for a more powerful start.
also, the first swimmer at 3:06 demonstrates a power driven left foot on the front of the block, kicking and allowing the left leg to follow through with the lift before entering the water. the right leg (which was the rear leg) was practically dead once it left the blocks. definitely not what Brad does for his starts. the coach wasnt paying attention and just looking out for the 'form' of hoping to see a back kick off the blocks. :')
There are 10 important points to the start. The most important of the 10 are propulsion leaving the block and the dolphin kick speed (underwater). The weight back start enables a swimmer to generate propulsion from three sources at three different times-arms, back foot, front foot..in that order. We can get an idea of the three different forces by measuring the acceleration that occurs with each. With weight forward start, nearly all of the propulsion is generated from the front foot. The three coupling motions, head lift, back leg kick and arm swing merely augment the effect of the propulsion. But they are important in doing just that. Brad hits the water at 3.44 meters, almost a half meter further than any other swimmer we have tested.
Am not discounting the usefulness of the high aerial back foot positioning technique, but would rather focus on the ability to increase the power driven into the blocks. And yes, I agree that to maximize the jump, the push from both arms, back and front legs are crucial.
The point is, if you're too focused on getting the swimmers to raise their back legs for the jump like in this video, the emphasis isn't on getting the swimmers to generate more force through the back foot into the blocks, but rather, a fulfillment of lifting the rear for the sake of it.
Focus on getting swimmers to rely on both legs for power generation into the blocks, and tell them to allow the rear to follow through with the kick (which will naturally raise its positioning in the air) would be much better as the raising of rear foot is the result in a complete exertion of force and a follow through instead.
If swimmers are focusing on having a high leg positioning rather than having a strong kick from the rear leg into the blocks, wrong muscle activation would have the potential of a negative effect on the jump.
Also to note, getting the swimmers tight in their entry is way more important than aerial positioning of the rear leg.. The higher the rear leg, the greater the gap there is to cover in bringing both legs together just before its entry.
You'd need swimmers to be as tight as possible to minimize drag and maximize the jump even before the first underwater dolphin kick.
The high aerial positioning of the legs would certainly help in providing a good angle of attack on the entry, but it doesn't mean raising the back foot high off the blocks would result in a further jump. The strength of the kick in and out off the blocks should have been the focus.
The jump doesn't just end at the point of entry into the water my friend. The jump needs to facilitate and provide a good entry speed into the water. And an over exaggerated raising of rear leg with incomplete bringing of legs together for the entry would certainly slow a swimmer down rather than make them faster.
Also, Brad's distance of 3.44m using this high rear leg technique would have to be objectively compared against another swimmer with similar vertical jump score with a slightly different starting technique (to see if it's the technique playing a part, or just Brad's ability to generate power in his legs). And yes, a 3.44m jump is certainly impressive.