Oneness Pentecostalism: Part 1
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- Oneness Pentecostalism-also known as the “Jesus Only” movement-has been called the largest anti-trinitarian cult in the world. Christians need to understand Oneness teachings on God, baptism, and holiness so they can avoid error and effectively proclaim the truth from Scripture.
Part 2: • Oneness Pentecostalism...
If you've already been baptized two times do you need to be baptized again? Minister who baptized me said in the name of Jesus I baptize you into the father Son and Holy Spirit seems like that covers all the bases?
😂😂😂whaaaat
So what gave you salvation? I’m intrigued to know
"Hear O Isreal: the Lord our God is One Lord".
Did you know that people like myself who believe in the trinity believe in the oneness of God also? I believe there has always been, and always will be one God (Isaiah 43:10). It is common for apostolic people to misunderstand this and accuse us of tri-theism or some other heresy, but it is not true.
Let me give you an example: you believe that God has perfect love, justice and mercy...right? Me also. How would you respond to someone who accuses you of not believing in the oneness of God because you divide up his attributes of love justice and mercy? You would probably shake your head, like I do, and wonder why this guy does not get it. You believe in the oneness of God. That is foundation. A distinction of attributes does not negate the oneness of God.
This is the same with the trinity. A distinction of persons does not negate the oneness of God.
Tim Martin with all due respect, there is no Trinity or Oneness of God, Trinitarians and Oneness will always be arguing endlessly until the day of Judgement, and God will say, “I never knew you, depart from me ye that work iniquity.”
There are no denominations in the Church of Jesus Christ neighbour. I beseech (beg) you to get on your knees and pray to God, seek him in his word (KJV, is the Word of God), diligently.
*He that hath ears to ear, let him hear.*
There is One God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. God is a Spirit, not a man that he should lie.
Jesus Christ the Son of God is a man. Not a another deity called, “God the Son.” *"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;" - 1 Timothy 2:5*
And in the man Christ Jesus (the Son of God), dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily (Colossians 2:9), this means that all the fullness of God the Father dwells in his Son (Christ Jesus).
Therefore God the Father is in Christ, he was made flesh, “And the Word was made flesh." - John 1:14
The Father’s name is Jesus Christ, as it is written, *"I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive." - John **5:43***
The Son of God came in his Father’s name, that is why the Son’s name is Jesus Christ. As he got it by inheritance, *"Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they." - Hebrews 1:4*
I tell you the truth neighbor, you must obey the gospel of Jesus Christ, lest you perish in your sins.
The New Testament Gospel began on the day of Pentecost (50 days after the resurrection of Jesus Christ), and Peter preached for the very first time the NT gospel, *"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." - Acts **2:38***
*"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." - Mark **16:16***
This is what Jesus calls by being born of Water (water baptism in Jesus’s name for the remission of sins) and being born of the Spirit (being filled with the gift of the Holy Ghost, which is evident by speaking with other tongues and prophesy). *"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." - John 3:5*
I do not wish to cause arguments, I am simply speaking the truth in love, please get right with God, and come unto the knowledge of truth before you start preaching the gospel.
I will refer you to a man of God’s ministry, please watch his videos: m.czcams.com/channels/ywjC_-LCOhEp33mRiA1wpw.html
@@TimMartin I know, but one god divided in 3, like three gods, and with 3 names, i would accept that doctrine, but when they tell they are diferrets and talk between them , make me think there is no one god in thay doctrine,
Acts 4:12 New International Version (NIV)
12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”
One name , no other name, not names
The Hebrew word used here for "one" indicates a compound unity of persons. The word is "echad" and does not always signify a single person. Just like one rope consists of three strands, so the one God we worship consists of three persons. You don't have to do spiritual gymnastics (like with oneness doctrine) to know God and love Him. Open the Bible. Read with the eyes of an innocent child. Believe what He says of Himself. He is the great "I AM." He is not limited to our understanding of Him.
Blessings.
The bible never uses words like co-equal, co-eternal persons like Trinitarians liberally apply. This is an Anti-christ spirit that has people confused and doubting their faith and "religious experience". People are being told to "just believe" "accept Jesus Christ into your heart" and your saved. That is a bold faced line. We must repent and be born again of the water and the Spirit in Jesus' name.
I’m Apostolic, I think a lot of people misunderstand us. Yes we baptize in the name of Jesus Christ, but you must repent first. Just baptizing doesn’t save you as you’ll just go down and come up a wet sinner. Repent & then be baptized. Christ told his Apostles to go out and make disciples of men baptizing them in the name of the father, son and Holy Spirit, the Apostles went out and done just that in the book of Acts.
I like that line, "a wet sinner."
The apostles did what Jesus told them in the book of Acts. Try reading it with a determination to understand. Pray for understanding if necessary. Notice that nothing was changed because of the resurrection of Christ. Notice Peter in Acts 10:28. Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; Wasn't it the crosswork of Christ that eliminated the Law? Why then if it is "unlawful for a Jew", how can church leaders mislead us and teach it was all of humanity in the first chapters of Act and ignoring how Peter was not breaking the law? And if the apostles were keeping the law, which they were, who are the ppl of other nations? To keep the law as Peter tells of in Acts 10:28 he is lying or maybe he is telling the truth. Matt.10 [6] But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matt.15
[24] But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Rom.15
[8] Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
To reiterate, there was law keeping Jews in the Acts 1 to chapter 10 and beyond. No knowledge of any laws done away with until the apostle who penned Rom.15
[16] That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost. We need to heed the messages that Christ gave him to pen. Especially the way that the info regarding salvation is found. Similar the what Christ taught but with the difference that the cross made unto salvation.
What does it mean to be apostolic?
To be apostolic basically means you follow the teaching of the apostles as laid out in the New Testament
Baptizing doesn't save you in any literal sense at all. It is only our faith (our "appeal to God") that allows us to be saved, by grace alone. No ritual or physical work of any kind saves us. If you think you're saved by means of a ritual, then you're in a very deep state of confusion regarding the Gospel. As Paul said, "Circumcision is a matter of the heart."
BRITANNICA ENCYCLOPEDIA
11TH edition, Vol 3, Pg 365-366
The baptismal formula was changed from the name of JESUS CHRIST to the words Father, Son, & Holy Ghost by the Catholic Church in the second century.
________________________________________
Yes.
YES, INDEED!
If you visit also the Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol 2 and either page 303 or 308, the full page will come up, and you will see where the Catholic implicitly admit that they changed the baptismal formula from the use of the name Jesus, to the titles.
You are making out that this Azuza Revival was a one off weird movement! But the Azuza Revival was only ONE revival that was going on all over the world at that time ( 1880s-1930), in US, UK, Sweden, Germany, and other European countries, The island of Sky in Scotland, The Welsh Revival, The Mennonite Revival, and many more. It came out of the 'Holiness Movement' ( people seeking God through repentance) It was a world wide revival/ movement of God just before WW2 and satan trying to destroy The Jews by the Nazis and then The re-birth of Israel. God was reviving truth that had been lost to us by the systematic heretical 'church' through time. This went on to the 'latter Rain Movement' and The Charismatic Revival. This is the way, repentance brings us closer to God, ONLY Jesus Christ can make us clean. I was saved in 1983 ( Charismatic Revival time frame) But I was not at any meeting, I was alone ( My parents were praying for me) I accepted Jesus as my Savior at age 7 but in 1983 ( 18 yrs) I met Jesus Christ ( Holy Spirit), he came to me ( not in vision or literally) but by His Spirit , I was Born Again, I then studied the Bible alone, I then read about water Baptism, so I asked to be baptised in the Name of Jesus in a bath! The a couple of days later I was worshipping Jesus ( at home alone) and a strange language came out of my mouth ( Never knew about Tongues) so I went to the Bible and found ' Tongues mentioned there, so I accepted that as a 'sign of The Holy Spirit within me.( But there was other things to, The 'fruit of The Holy Spirit) NO ONE CAN MAKE ME DOUBT MY EXPERIENCE IN THE LORD, BACKED UP BY THE BIBLE.
"You are making out that this Azuza Revival was a one off weird movement! But the Azuza Revival was only ONE revival that was going on all over the world at that time"
...he already mentioned that in the video 1:50
Everything else in your comment, sounds good to me.
The Azuza Rivial be it the gift of tongues etc are different from the Apostolic era...that is for sure...
Actually the Welsh revival preceded the Azusa revival.
Doesn't the bible say 'no man hath seen God at any time', if you believe in oneness Pentecostalism, then you have to believe that when Jesus was on this earth then no one saw him. What foolishness is that! The trinity is a biblical doctrine, even in Gen 1, God said 'let us make man in our image'. 'us' and 'our' are plural.
They don't put in all the Scripture s
Why do you assume that verse is referencing a trinity? What other God do you see in the Garden of eden or in the old Testament but the Lord God Almighty?
THE FACT THAT THE EXALTED CHRIST HAS A GOD IN HEAVEN INDICATES THAT HE IS NOT IQUAL TO THE FATHER AS THE ALMIGHTY. APOCALYPSE 3: 12
1) Everyone who has a God is because that God is more powerful than themselves.
2) Everyone who has a God is because is worshiping that God.
How is Christ going to be the only God and will have a God to worship? John 20:17 (note that here he is in the flesh as a limited human but in the following text it is already stated at the most in heavenly glory )
In Revelation 3: 12, Christ says the same name four times, there is no text in the Bible to remember the word God appears 4 times in the same verse. Note also that Revelation 3: 12 tells us that he receives a new name. What new name can Almighty God receive? What can be new for God? Revelation 2: 17.
The Father is the God of Christ, but the Father has no God, so He has no superior, the Father is the only Highest. The only way the Father is the God of Christ in heaven is if Christ is inferior to the Father and is different from the Father.
Colossians 2:9 KJV For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
What does this mean to you?
Jesus is God in the flesh.
God dwells in US too....are WE God in the flesh too?
OurHumbleLife no, we can't walk on water, feed 5 thousand with five loaves and two fish or forgive sins!
Roger
what was your initial point in saying that the fullness of the godhead dwells in Jesus?
“Neither is there SALVATION in ANY OTHER: for there is NONE other NAME under heaven given among men, whereby we MUST be saved.” Acts 4:12...What's the only saving name?
Let me guess............ummm Jesus?
John Ortiz
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU..
@@houseforsale8249 Jesus does come to them after his resurrection. Modalism reads there believe into scripture,
@@johnortiz566 God is a Spirit - A Spirit he made the heavens alone. If I gave you 1 banana then its one banana, if it is chopped into three pieces its not 1 its now seperated into three pieces. God made the heavens alone - Isaiah 44 24Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself. All scripture has to balance out and compliment one another. Another note Jesus was half man and half God. The flesh of Jesus is not God, THE SPIRIT of GOD is GOD.
Yes, Jesus is the only way of salvation. That doesn't mean we're saved by a ritual of reciting that name. Did you know that Jesus is a corruption of the Greek "Iesus". Is anybody baptizing in the name of "Iesus"? What about the Aramaic version, can that save? ("Yeshua"). You need to read the New Testament and let Scripture interpret Scripture. We are saved by FAITH in the PERSON of Christ, not the sound of the name pronounced "Jesus".
Jesus isn't some second person in the Godhead , his the fullness of the Godhead bodily, so tell me sir who is the father of the man christ jesus , is it God the father , if so why does the bible say he was conceived by the holy ghost , because father and holy ghost are not separate persons in the Godhead , to us there is but one God the father , and if jesus is God in the flesh then he is the father in his deity,
Anthony laurens preach
Amen! Amen! So you believe the Holy Ghost, whose name is Jesus, died on the cross and shed his blood for us? Do you believe in the true God Jesus Christ who predestines people to life and makes wicked people for the day of wrath? Do you go to any churches? Do you babble as the Pentecostals?
Anthony laurens- Matt.1
[18] Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
Acts.20
[28] Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
When a child is born he is the blood of the father. He did not father Himself. Christ was a deceiver if He is also the Father because He is not the Father Matt. 24 [35] Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
[36] But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
He doen't know the Father does.
Luke.10
[21] In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.
His Father hid spiritual things, not Jesus.
Matt.22
[44] The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Mark.12
[36] For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Luke.20
[42] And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Acts.2
[34] For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
The Father said unto my lord (Jesus the Christ) Two separate personalities.
Acts 1 [6] When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
[7] And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Time and seasons are of the Father's power or Christ is deceiving them. I like to think Christ is honest.
Jesus said "I and the Father are one. (John 10:30). So I plus the Father =2= 1(ONE) If JESUS and the Father = 1. 2=1 Then why cant the Father, Son and Holy Spirit be ONE? Not 3 Gods as you falsely insinuate. But Father, Son and Holy Spirit=1 God. Then you can take Jesus's words literaly ( as you are supposed to do) And you can actually obey Jesus and baptize the name of the Father, AND of the Son AND of the Holy Spirit. (Matthew 28:19). Godbless you.
What is the name given under heaven where we might be save
I am oneness and have 3 tvs in my house. The preachers do recommend not to watch tv because of all the bad things that are going on in the world but they never preach if you watch tv you will go to hell..
Good for him. I am sure you know there is a wide spectrum on what some Oneness preachers will hold to. I agree with him that there are bad things we might watch that will affect us.
My favorite quote about TV comes from the TV show Becker starring Ted Danson: "TV is the petri dish where America grows it's idiots." Ironic that I had to watch TV to get the quote huh?
This is the least of the problems of the oneness cult (the TV issue). Some oneness "churches" have this rule, some are neutral, and some don't interfere in the members' lives to this extent. I grew up going to a UPC church and can affirm nearly all that this speaker has proclaimed. This heretical belief system has been the source of much spiritual abuse, in my case as well as with others I know.
They twist and pervert the gospel and make up man-made rules which is forced on their congregants, threatening eternal damnation if the member deviates from their teachings. This movement disgusts me and so glad I escaped it!
Well, there are many Apostolic preachers that still preach against television. In fact, there's an entire organization (World Pentecostal Fellowship) that rejects it in their Statement of Faith. Fortunately, most of the Apostolic church has evolved to see that TV, while dangerous, shouldn't be seen as a salvation issue. Especially with the rise of the internet (God help us all).
Da Bish, I would implore you to give the Church another chance. The majority of the Apostolic Church consists of wonderful, loving people who do not hate, judge, or condemn. I, like you, grew up in an Apostolic Church that could best be described at least as a "Borderline Cult". The leadership were domineering, the churches they associated with were equally so, and almost every member of my 40-person youth group are backslidden (most of them are now atheists).
But I am not an Apostolic minister licensed with the Assemblies of the Lord Jesus Christ (ALJC). I'm the youth pastor at one of many Apostolic churches in the city of Bloomington, Indiana. And nearly every church in our city is the same: They love people. I'm currently preparing a sermon for this Wednesday night called: "The Delivery Room", about ensuring that new members are allowed to grow in God without being forced, judged, or harmed. If I were to preach this message at the church I grew up in (and the one you grew up in), I would be driven out. But it's not a controversial thing in my church.
Find a good Apostolic church in your area and give them a chance. You are welcome to contact me, if you so desire, and I can assist.
God bless.
@@nathanstewart3808 I appreciate your advice but I don't at all regret leaving the oneness movement. You sound like a really nice fellow and I'm sure there are loving people in your congregation. My objections, however, run far deeper than just the imposed man-made standards and with the people I had encountered. The oneness "apostolic" teachings are heretical. From their errant modalistic teachings of the Godhead (based on heresy propagated by Sabellius in the 3rd century), baptismal regeneration (as part of the 3 step formula) or their particular views on holiness, I couldn't be part of such a belief system.
I won't debate anyone on a CZcams replay chain. These debates have already been done, in depth and exhaustively. I recommend that you view not only the video series to which we are replying, but also other discussions on the subject. The UPC darling David Bernard is the best at articulating the oneness position but he falls on his face when he is confronted by someone who correctly teaches the tenants of biblical Christianity. Dr. James White is a great resource and argues the Christian position extremely well; I highly recommend his expository teachings.
Thank you for your suggestion and I hope you find the full truth of God's nature, His salvific process, His holiness standards etc. I'm not interested in going back to the cultic teachings and practices of the oneness movement. I wish you well.
We need to pray for these believers in a trinity.They don't seem to understand the God, on judgement day, won't accept the excuse that" i was taught wrong", especially when there are millions of Bibles around.Saying i'd rather do it the way Jesus said in Matt.28:19, than to do the way Peter said in Acts 2:38.Really???
as a former UPCI Apostolic you are not the Judge and have fallen into deception.
The Word “Trinity does not occur in the Bible. This does not mean that the Doctrine of the Trinity is not taught in the Bible. For instance; the Word “Monotheism” does not occur in the Bible; but, the Bible does teach the Doctrine of “Monotheism” - That is, that there is one God. The word, “Bible” does not occur in the Bible- yet, the Bible does teach regarding itself. Although the word, “Trinity” does not occur in the Bible, the doctrine of the Trinity is clearly taught throughout the scriptures.
There are 4 statements that summarize the Doctrine of the Trinity that are clearly taught in the Bible:
There is one God
There are three persons
Each person is God
All three are together
David Zetino , Do you worship the same God Jesus worshipped ?
I wish you knew the Bible. Trinity does occur when Jesus told us (and YOU) - "Go and baptize the nations in the Name of the Father, Son, and a Holy Spirit." Once you deny the main commandment like you do you might as well deny the Bible.
Too close to tritheism for me
David Zetino Nor Onesness sir sorry
Three person who are equally God sounds like polytheism to me. You cant say God is one and then turn around and say he's really three in one. That is a contradiction and contrary to what the bible teaches.
Isaiah 43:10 44:6-8 {There is only one GOD} James 2:19
Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen:
that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there
was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his Redeemer the Lord of host;
I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and
have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea,
there is no God; I know not any. Thou believest that there is one God; thou
doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
John 6:27 {The Father is GOD}
Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat
which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you:
for him hath God the Father sealed.
1 Peter 1:2
who have been chosen according to the
foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit,
for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood: Grace and peace be
yours in abundance.
Romans 1:7
To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints:
Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Psalm 22:16 {GOD will be pierced}
For dogs have compassed me: the assemblies of the wicked have enclosed me: they pierced my
hands and my feet.
Zechariah 12:10
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of
grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced,
Deuteronomy 6:13 {God said worship only him}
Fear the LORD your God, serve him only and take your oaths in his name.
Luke 4:8 {Jesus said worship only God}
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou
shalt worship the Lord thy God and him only shalt thou serve
Psalm 45:6 {the Holy Spirit uses this to describe God} Hebrews 1:8
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the scepter of thy kingdom is a right scepter.
Isaiah 48:12 44:6 44:8 {The Holy Spirit states God is the First and the Last}
Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also the last.
Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel and his Redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first and
I am the last: and beside me there is no God. Is there a god beside me? Yea,
there is no God; I know not any
John states that GOD is the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End
Revelation 21:6-7
And he said unto me, it is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end.
I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that
overcometh shall inherit all things: and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
When was God, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End, the Alpha and Omega
pierced?
John states the Son is the Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last, The Beginning and the End
and he was pierced
Revelation 1: 7, 8 11-14, 22:13, 16 {Does Jesus think he is GOD?}
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him:
and all kindred’s of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so amen
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was
and which is to come, the Almighty.
11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: …
12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven
golden candlesticks;…
13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man,
14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as
a flame of fire;
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end the first and the last…
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.
Revelation 1:17-18 {John states Jesus is the First and the Last?}
And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right
hand upon me, saying unto me, fear not; I am the first and last:
I am he that liveth, and was…………….. Dead, and, behold, I am alive for evermore, A-men; and
have the keys of hell and of death
When did the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End, the Alpha and Omega
taste death?
Hebrews 1:8 {the Father calls Jesus God} Psalm 45:6
But unto the Son he {God} saith,
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is
the scepter of thy kingdom.
Hebrews 1:6 {the Father tells the angels to worship Jesus}
And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world he {God} saith, And let all
the angels of God worship him.
John 20:28 {Thomas calls Jesus God}
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
{ o Kurios mou kai o Theos mou } the definite article.
Does Jesus correct Thomas? No, he calls him blessed.
Romans 9:5 {Paul calls Jesus GOD}
Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ,
who is God over all, forever praised! Amen…NIV
I Timothy 4:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the flesh,
justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles believed on in the world,
received up into glory.
Colossians 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
John 1:1, 2,3,14 {John calls Jesus God}
In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was
the Word.
He was in [the] beginning with God.
All things through him came into being, and without him came into being
not even one [thing] which has come into being.
And the Word flesh became, and tabernacled among us,
Matthew 1:23 (Matthew calls Jesus GOD}
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and
they shall call his name Immanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Isaiah 7:14 The Holy Spirit calls Jesus God}
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a
son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the goverment shall be upon his
shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God,
The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Exodus 3:13-14 (the Father states he is I AM THAT I AM)
And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto
them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me,
what is his name? What shall I say unto them?
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of
Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
John 8:58 10:30-36 {John states Jesus said he is I AM}
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.
Matthew 28:17 {Apostles worship Jesus} Luke 24:52
And when they saw him, they worshiped him:
And they worshiped him.
John 1:18 5:37 {Jesus states}
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of
the Father, he hath declared him.
And the father himself, which hath sent me,
hath borne witness of me. ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen
his shape.
Genesis 17:1, 3 {So who appeared and spoke?}
And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said
unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. And Abram
fell on his face: and God talked with him, etc.
Exodus 3:4
And when the Lord saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the
midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, here am I.
John 3:12, 13 {how can Jesus be talking to Nicodemus and be in heaven?}
If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly
things?
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of
man which is in heaven.
Genesis 1:26
And God said; Let us make man in our Image
Genesis 11:7
Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one
anothers speech.
And Yet God is one
Mark 12:28
And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together,
and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first
commandment of all ? And Jesus answered
him, The first of all the commandments is,
Hear, O Israel;
The Lord
our God is one Lord:
In HIS service,
So how many God do u believe...1 or 3
"Oneness" has been around since the day of Pentecost...we were the first denomination...
Denominations are not biblical.
Jesus said Upon this ROCK (the Christ) i will build my CHURCH.....
Christ is the head of the Church, and the saints are the body which is the Christ.
Scripture teaches that the body is one, not two, three or ten.
the church is the body of christ with Christ as the head. Christ come to review that father. In John he said eternal life is this that they know you (father) the only true God and Christ whom you sent.
Jesus is the way to the father. we honor the son as we honor the father. He who accepts the son accepts HIM who sent him.
In the bible there are no denominations those are local assemblies belonging to one church:
1. There is one God and father
2 there is one Lord
3 there is one one faith
4. there is one Spirit
5. There is one baptisim
6. There is one Hope
7. There is one body
Paul say why do you say we belong to Paul and others to Appolos? were you baptized in our names? did anyone of us died for you?
no other foundation should be made other that that which already been made which is the Christ. the apostles are the foundation and the chief corner stone is the Christ.
denominations are man made churches, that`s why they have a man as a head of the church, as a spiritual father.
Denominations create a diffrent understanding of God, Lord, Spirit, hope, faith, baptism, church. Conflicting doctrines are a result of denominations.
To clear doubt scriptures says the church at (place) meaning believers gathered at a certain location. The church at Pentecost was not owned by Peter or any other person as we see today with denomination. The heads and owners of denomination are thieves who think they can still the church from Jesus which is the Church of his father.
@Richard Farnsworth I was raised in this and they think unless you speak in tougues as they did on the day of Pentecost you don't have Jesus and your sin are not forgiven yet.
Jesus told us that the blood he said washes away sin. He remembers them no longer under the new covenant of Christ. ☺
@DPR 567 you mean Chatolic Church??
is anybody here ?while i write. this comment.
No you're not the first denomination lol. Furthermore, Jesus is not the FATHER. God bless you!
lol. Jesus us not the FATHER
There is no other NAME given among men whereby we must be saved JESUS
WOW....this video REALLY brought out the crazies and the heretics to comment below.
@David Stanton I take a stand for the true Gospel. If you deny the Father, Son and Holy Spirit then you deny the Godhead. You are outside the realm of orthodoxy and are in the realm of heresy. That simple.
@David Stanton Please spare me your fake, self righteous pieties because you are LYING when you falsely claim I told you "believing in the Trinity takes away sins". You are a LIAR sir and are guilty of the Sin of bearing False Witness against me by putting words into my mouth. WHERE did I say above that "believing in the Trinity saves us and brings us into a right relationship with God" above in my comments?
@David Stanton You feel sorry for me? What a self righteous hypocrite. Feel sorry for yourself for having to resort to LYING and using Straw Man arguments to defend your heresies.
@David Stanton 100% right!
Tim Martin Oneness Apostolic Doctrine and Pentecostalism began on the Opening Day of the Feast of Weeks. No one any where at any time was EVER baptized in the "titles" Jesus Christ is the Father of Eternity, the Son in redemption for the kid's, and the Holy Ghost in the Operation and Formation of his Church.. There is no such thing as a trinty/god group.
One God, One Faith, One Baptism...Act2:38 Gods name is Jesus
Ken Fergus Jesus is God,but not the Father as he prayed to the Father in the garden of Gethsemane as he (Jesus)submitted to the Fathers’will, and no it was not his humanity submitting to his divine nature.
Jesus is the father son and holy spirit
If Jesus is the father, then why do they have different wills? e.g. " because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me." John 5:30
@@petergregoric1019 They really don't understand how they work as one, not three.
Jesus is not the FATHER!
What a weak rebuttal. That’s a whole lot of reaching for the sake of defending your position despite Biblical evidence for the Jesus’ name baptism position.
THE FACT THAT THE EXALTED CHRIST HAS A GOD IN HEAVEN INDICATES THAT HE IS NOT IQUAL TO THE FATHER AS THE ALMIGHTY. APOCALYPSE 3: 12
1) Everyone who has a God is because that God is more powerful than themselves.
2) Everyone who has a God is because is worshiping that God.
How is Christ going to be the only God and will have a God to worship? John 20:17 (note that here he is in the flesh as a limited human but in the following text it is already stated at the most in heavenly glory )
In Revelation 3: 12, Christ says the same name four times, there is no text in the Bible to remember the word God appears 4 times in the same verse. Note also that Revelation 3: 12 tells us that he receives a new name. What new name can Almighty God receive? What can be new for God? Revelation 2: 17.
The Father is the God of Christ, but the Father has no God, so He has no superior, the Father is the only Highest. The only way the Father is the God of Christ in heaven is if Christ is inferior to the Father and is different from the Father.
Saying to baptise in the name of Jesus Christ means to baptise with the authority given by Christ, as in in his name, not to baptise using his name only in the formula used for baptism.
It's scripture. I'd say study it out...(FYI - the cognitive dissonance you will experience is a natural part of this transition.... it's okay)
If, you feel the need to label a group of people, “JESUS EVERYTHING” would be a more appropriate term to use, not JESUS ONLY. I NOT JESUS ONLY, I JESUS EVER THING, LOL...
I know Jesus is the Father, I know Jesus is the Son, I know Jesus is the Holy Ghost and all these three are one...
@@mrniceguy3750
No he is not, Nice. Jesus is not the FATHER nor the Holy Spirit. Jesus is the Word of God the only begotten send by the FATHER!
God Bless!
Best to avoid all holiness churches sinless perfection also known as entire sanctification church of the Nazarene. Then you have those with holiness name. Then you have assembly of God. Lots of these holiness type churches believe in falling out in the spirit unbiblical. Lots of false things going on.
Sir, Good presentation but I must tell you that need to be born again and be baptized in name of Jesus Christ.
Well Tim I want you to know that Jesus said in my name you shall cast out demons all I have to say the name Jesus activates the powers of his anointing power period his name is not just a name I is the trigger that activates his might
God created man in his image as a soul/conscience, and spirit/breath of life, living in a body, as one person with a name. So God is one person and one God 🙏 ❤
The Jesus Name baptism argument was far more compelling than your rebuttal.
Just saying...
Winter-Chan There is only one baptism in this dispensation of grace and it does not involve water.
Eph.4
[5] One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
The one baptism is
1Cor.12
[13] For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
NO tangable water just spiritual.
Baptism was for Jews in the OT which ended about the time Paul was commissioned to be apostle of the gentiles.
1Cor 1
[14] I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
[15] Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
[16] And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.
[17] For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
Read vs 17 carefully. To preach the gospel of grace, explaining the effects of the cross. Because the death, burial and resurrection caused something of a different effect to happen as opposed to what was taught prior to Paul.
Epic burn! 😂
Mark 16:16 "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature, he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, he that believeth not shall be damned."
Acts 2:38 Repent, and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the holy ghost."
Luke 24:47 "And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem."
Acts 8:12 "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women."
1 Peter 3:21 "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ."
The rebuttal makes sense because Oneness Pentecostal putting up 'baptism in Jesus' as the way to be saved. NO. We are saved by grace which is the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Without the blood there is no remission of sins. Get it? Don't you get what FREE GIFT is?
Ronriko1 Ronriko1 I’ve met many Oneness Pentecostals, and none of the ones I know teach that baptism is the actual thing that saves (justification). Belief in the gospel of Christ and repentance saves, and that’s everywhere in the Bible. You actually should have a more problems with Lutherans since they actually do teach baptismal regeneration, especially in infants. But to deny baptism being vital to a Christian’s life and to deny baptism in Jesus name is to deny plain teachings in Scripture.
What i like about Acts 2:37-38 is that believing and repentance, baptism are separated whis is very important
Oneness is not modalism nor sabelianism, it teaches manifestations..... very poor critical views
While you are right that Modern Oneness does not strictly follow Sabellianism or Modalism, these views also teach manifestation theology. It's not a critical error to connect Apostolics to these other tenets. Rather, it is our job as Oneness Pentecostals to argue why our beliefs about the manifestations of God are correct and are the original viewpoint of the Church.
Water or tongues
Don't SAVE".
YOU CAN USE FANCY LANGUAGE..
TO DEFEND CULT MINDSETS.
TRUE BELIEVERS FOLLOW
PAUL.
ACTS 22 ACTS 26V18.
YOU CAN'T MAKE A DOCTRINE OUT OF
2:38"..PLEASE ONE
SENTENCE "?
1COR15 1 .4
IS HOW YOUR SAVED.
MOSLEMS DON'T BELIEVE
IN THE TRINITY
LIKE YOU .
CATHOLICS DON'T BELIEVE
IN THE BLESSED HOPE
LIKE YOU.
(STRANGE COMPANY)
HERE'S THE NAIL"
MATTHEW 7 :21!
THE FACT THAT THE EXALTED CHRIST HAS A GOD IN HEAVEN INDICATES THAT HE IS NOT IQUAL TO THE FATHER AS THE ALMIGHTY. APOCALYPSE 3: 12
1) Everyone who has a God is because that God is more powerful than themselves.
2) Everyone who has a God is because is worshiping that God.
How is Christ going to be the only God and will have a God to worship? John 20:17 (note that here he is in the flesh as a limited human but in the following text it is already stated at the most in heavenly glory )
In Revelation 3: 12, Christ says the same name four times, there is no text in the Bible to remember the word God appears 4 times in the same verse. Note also that Revelation 3: 12 tells us that he receives a new name. What new name can Almighty God receive? What can be new for God? Revelation 2: 17.
The Father is the God of Christ, but the Father has no God, so He has no superior, the Father is the only Highest. The only way the Father is the God of Christ in heaven is if Christ is inferior to the Father and is different from the Father.
In Revelation 6:16-17 the Bible says, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of THEIR wrath has come…” In Luke 23:46 the Bible says, “Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into YOUR hands I commit my spirit.” Is Jesus talking to Himself here? In John 16:28 Jesus says, “I came from the Father and entered the world; now I am leaving the world and going back to the Father.” Notice Jesus did not say, “I left heaven and became the son, and now I am going back to heaven to become the Father again. In John 16:38 Jesus says, “For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.” This verse is saying Jesus has His own will and the Father has His. Yes, they don’t disagree, of course, but still this verse speaks of two wills. In John 14:31 Jesus says, “…but so that the world may know that I love the Father, I do exactly as the Father commanded Me.” In John 5:19 Jesus says, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner.” In John 1:1 the Bible says, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was WITH God, and the Word was God.” If Oneness was true, shouldn’t this verse say, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was God.” John 6:44 says, “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.” Again, if oneness was true, shouldn’t this verse say, “No one can come to me, unless I draw him.” In John 10:15, Jesus says, “…even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.” Matthew 26:29 says, “And He went a little beyond them, and fell on His face and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You will.” Read for yourself; does this sound like oneness, or is Jesus having conversations with the Father within the triune God-head?
Ephesians 16 - 17 "It is the aim of my prayers that the GOD of our Lord
Jesus Christ, the glorious Father may give you the Spirit of wisdom, the
Spirit which brings you new revelation, as you come to know him more
and more fully."
Yes. Jesus has a FATHER, who just happens to BE the One and Only Almighty God. Amen.
Search the sriptures
Which is biblical. The Father sends the Son or the Father becoming the Son. Oneness heresy would have to rip out john 3:16 and call Jesus a liar for saying he was sent by the Father
14:09-14:48 YHVH/Yahweh/Jehovah
14:38-42 He says any Jehovah Witnesses could tell us that Jesus was Jehovah..Why would I want to hear what a JW has to say about the name of Jesus?
Tetgrammaton Teacher
Jesus is His Name! Acts 4:12
You missed my point. I was not suggesting that you go the Jehovah's Witnesses to learn the truth. Instead, this truth is so obvious that even the JWs know it.
Jehovah Witnesses believe Jesus is a god. Small g. Not God. Capital G.
Good follow up to this video is the 1985 discussion between Dr. Walter Martin and two representatives from UPCI on the John Ankerburg show. You can access it on CZcams.
Your arguments against them are Beyond weak I find that God's word clearly defends their belief you've only made me believe everything they believe or you're stating they believe all your arguments did was show how weak and wrong you are and how right they are and defending God's word Jesus is the name and the only way to reach the father! Just because you change it and say it doesn't make it true or them ...but Gods word is clear on The matter , I believe God not man , Sir you are WRONG!!! COMPLETELY WRONG!
THE FACT THAT THE EXALTED CHRIST HAS A GOD IN HEAVEN INDICATES THAT HE IS NOT IQUAL TO THE FATHER AS THE ALMIGHTY. APOCALYPSE 3: 12
1) Everyone who has a God is because that God is more powerful than themselves.
2) Everyone who has a God is because is worshiping that God.
How is Christ going to be the only God and will have a God to worship? John 20:17 (note that here he is in the flesh as a limited human but in the following text it is already stated at the most in heavenly glory )
In Revelation 3: 12, Christ says the same name four times, there is no text in the Bible to remember the word God appears 4 times in the same verse. Note also that Revelation 3: 12 tells us that he receives a new name. What new name can Almighty God receive? What can be new for God? Revelation 2: 17.
The Father is the God of Christ, but the Father has no God, so He has no superior, the Father is the only Highest. The only way the Father is the God of Christ in heaven is if Christ is inferior to the Father and is different from the Father.
I was a member of Trinidadian Pentecostalism and they also believed that tongues show reception of the Holy Spirit and hence sanctified and saved
The oneness United Pentecost it started 1914 its man made.
ONEWAYTOGOD Umm. It started in Acts around 30 A.D.
@@BK-yz7px You are lair sir the untied Pentecost church organization started around 1914. There's no apostolic in the bible.
ONEWAYTOGOD Jesus You’re the liar buddy. It’s not my fault you can’t properly interpret the Bible .
ONEWAYTOGOD Jesus It’s just like the Calvinists today insisting their belief system is Biblical, although it technically didn’t exist in the church until Augustine 400 years later and wasn’t popularized 1,000+ years later. I probably could say the same about your denomination that technically had starting point, but you’ll probably claim your belief system started with the Bible.
@@BK-yz7px My organization is man made to. Its a apostolic organization
So what about when Jesus was praying to the father?? Or Jesus being at the right hand of God...or even when it said in Hebrews that God even mentioned Jesus as His Son...The word Elohim is actually a plural singular...A Royal noun...When He said in the garden we shall make them in our image and likeness. Notice He said we..Father .Son.. Holy Spirit.. Thats not one...Thats 1 God in essence 3 in person...what about those times??
And these Church Fathers??
Justin Martyr (100?-165?). He was a Christianapologist and martyr.
"For, in the name of God, the Father and Lord of the universe, and of our Savior Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit, they then receive the washing with water" (First Apol., LXI).
Irenaeus (115-190). As a boy he listened to Polycarp, the disciple of John. He became Bishop of Lyons.
"The Church, though dispersed throughout the whole world, even to the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and their disciples this faith: . . . one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are in them; and in one Christ Jesus, the Son of God, who became incarnate for our salvation; and in the Holy Spirit, who proclaimed through the prophets the dispensations of God, and the advents, and the birth from a virgin, and the passion, and the resurrection from the dead, and the ascension into heaven in the flesh of the beloved Christ Jesus, our Lord, and His manifestation from heaven in the glory of the Father ‘to gather all things in one,' and to raise up anew all flesh of the whole human race, in order that to Christ Jesus, our Lord, and God, and Savior, and King, according to the will of the invisible Father, ‘every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth, and that every tongue should confess; to him, and that He should execute just judgment towards all . . . '" (Against Heresies X.l)
the admonition to be baptized in Jesus name possibly meant to simply differentiate between the baptism of John
That is an interesting way to view that, and in a way, you are correct. However, to expand upon that line of thinking, I would direct you to Acts 19. Those believers were already baptized through John the Baptist baptism, right? So they should be good right? Nope. They were directed to by baptized again, this time in Jesus name. My question to you is, why? If water baptism in Jesus name is not essential, then why bother. If water baptism in Jesus name is not essential, then why did they have a new experience of speaking in tongues, AFTER they were baptized and which was an occurrence that agrees with the rest of the book of Acts. See Acts 2, 10, and 22. I look forward to your response.
well I see the ministry of john as preparatory-calling men to repent... matt 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance... the new testament says to preach repentance and faith in Christ....john's message was partial only. When John was in prison he did not even know if Jesus was the messiah. On a practical note if I believed in baptismal regeneration I could not do hospital ministry on disabled folks that were unable to physically be immersed...why share the gospel with someone who could not be baptized. Many folks do come to Christ on their deathbed. The thief on the cross was not baptized and Jesus said to him " today you will be with me in paradise!". The greatest missionary to ever live (Paul) did not practice baptism.
Not only that, to also differentiate from other baptisms as well, such as proselyte baptism which is ritual conversion of a gentile into a member of the Jewish nation.
Baptize in the Holy Spirit. You don't know God's name, and the world has made Jesus' name unclean.
All you have now is the Holy Spirit.
Make the best of it while you still can.
So believe in God and ,and say not, 'THREE.' Refrain; ((stop oneself from doing something.))
better is it for you. God is only one God. Glory be to Him God is God and their is nothing, like unto him
"He is God; there is no god but He, He is the Knower of the unseen and the visible; He is the All-Merciful, the All-Compassionate. He is God, there is no God but He. He is the King, the All-Holy, the All-Peace, the Guardian of Faith, the All-Preserver, the All-Mighty, the All-Compeller, the All-Sublime. Glory be to God, above that they associate! He is God the Creator, the Maker, the Shaper. To Him belong the Names Most Beautiful. All that is in the heavens and the earth magnifies Him; He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise." Quran(59:22-24)
"There is no god but He, the Living, the Everlasting. Slumber seizes Him not, neither sleep; to Him belongs all that is in the heavens and the earth. Who is there that shall intercede with Him save by His leave He knows what lies before them and what is after them, and they comprehend not anything of His knowledge save such as He wills. His throne comprises the heavens and earth; the preserving of them oppresses Him not; He is the All-High, the All-Glorious."
He is God the One God, the Everlasting Refuge, who has not begotten, nor has been begotten, and equal to Him is not anyone."
"People of the Book,(Christians) go not beyond the bounds in your religion, and say not as to God but the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only the Messenger of God, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and a Spirit from Him. So believe in God and His Messengers, and say not, 'Three.' Refrain; better is it for you. God is only one God. Glory be to Him.
I just want to say this. I was a homeless meth addict. If you were not a meth addict you could not understand. I could explain it to someone but unless you "felt" and "knew" being on meth, you're pretty much just talking about something you know nothing about. With that being said, it was Jesus who answered when I called out for deliverance, it was Jesus who sent me to a Oneness place of worship. Being filled with the Holy Ghost which leads me into ALL truth, I have no doubt, I am a believer. Jesus is seeking those who will worship Him in Spirit and Truth. I know darkness but Jesus is the Light and is looking for those who will follow Him. He has done what no person on earth could have. There is only one God and His name is JESUS.
You are right, there is no way I could understand your past. I am happy for you that you are no longer in that lifestyle. I am wondering though, how you would respond to someone who had a very similar background, but a different spiritual experience that helped him/her? I have heard of stories from people like this from Mormonism or Jehovah's Witnesses. False religion can make a person's life so much better. Hence, the most important test for truth would not be personal experience, but what does the Bible say.
The vast majority of scholars believe that Matt 28:19 was changed from it's original reading, which, being a very conservative scholar, i disagree with the consensus on this point.
The vast majority advocate for the reading:
"Baptising them in My Name"
You need pray for the revelation because you do not have it .... Pentecostal church go by the bible and by the scriptures not by man understand.
You are covering the history of where the modern apostolic movement started. How about discussing the first century church and what they believed. It sure was not "Catholic Theology and the Trinity." If you were to be honest, you would tell your followers that the first century church was "monotheist" all the while preaching that Jesus is God in the flesh. The Trinity was introduced in the church communities in the second century, but rejected. It showed up again in the third, but was rejected. It showed up again in the fourth century and it was put into law by Constantine.
Yes, the early church is monotheist. Trinitarians are monotheists also.
Tim Martin, in what way are Trinitarians monotheists? Read my comment again. Trinitarians started in the second and third century.
Ok, I read your comment again. I understood it the first time. Trinitarians are not tri-theists, they are monotheists. The father is not son nor the Holy Spirit, Jesus is not the Holy Spirit either, but the three are distinct person withing the nature of the one God. I don't expect that will make much sense at this point. If you want to know, I have a video where I teach how to describe the trinity to Jehovah's Witnesses. If you go to czcams.com/video/r2FaMTYS0dM/video.html, fast forward to 13:45. You probably won't be convinced in the end, but I would be interested in your feedback.
Tim Martin, watch my new video, "How Did the Pagan Trinity Get Into the Bible?" If this does not open your eyes, nothing will.
approvedofGod People are teaching about the early so called "CHURCH" most people don't even take the time to look up what the words actually mean. "CHURCH" itself is not a good word most people do not take the time to look it up. Even the name of the savior himself and see that the name Jesus is ONLY 400 years old. That is because that IS NOT his name.
Our savior was Hebrew he had a Hebrew name and when Peter his real name Kepha was preaching in acts 4:12 he was speaking of the name YAHUSHUA not Jesus.
I do agree about the Trinity doctrine it is of the devil and is very dark and wicked.
Oneness Pentecostals aren’t Jesus only. Oneness Pentecostals don’t deny the father or spirit. We just believe that the father Son and Holy Spirit are not three separate individual persons as stated in the trinity
I am baptised in the name of Jesus and I praise God for that revelation more than 30 years ago.
Frend of mine asked an English professor to read Mathew 28 19 and tell him what that sentence says. The professor said "It says you are to baptize in a name but the name is not there". This is basic English. I am not clear why there is any controversy about this.
If a police officer tells you to stop in the name of the law, would you inform him that you don't know what the law's name is? Or would you immediatley recognize that he is invoking the authority of the law? I make this point at 22:36.
Can you show us scripture sir that supports the trinity anywhere
There is no holy trinity.
1 Corinthians tells us that *we have ONE GOD; The Father,* and scripture also tells us that GOD *IS* The Father who SENT His own Son.
Blessings
OurHumbleLife I agree 100%
OurHumbleLife
1 Timothy 3: 16 proves the Trinity doctrine: "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory".
The Ecumenical Councils in the 4th century used the Bible and the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. The Trinity of persons have the same essence and Christ is both fully divine and fully human. Oneness was only invented at start of the 20th century.
70 AD,
First, 1 Timothy 3:16, written in Greek initially, speaks of *"he"* who was revealed in the flesh, *NOT "God".*
Second, this verse, in absolutely no way, mentions ANYTHING about God being 3 persons, 3 modes or 3 of ANYTHING, in order to be "God"!!
You are seeing God as 3 persons because this is what you have been taught, but I ask you to show me one single verse that actually proclaims that "GOD" is 3 of something, in order to 'be' God.
Be blessed
OurHumbleLife
I suppose you're going to say this verse was added to the Scriptures by Trinitarians later on: "For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one", 1 John 5: 7.
You can ask the same thing about Philip. Why didn't he lay hands on the Samaritans and they receive the Holy Ghost. Just because somebody else does the baptizing, doesn't mean they didn't get baptized. Who baptized the jail keeper and his family when Paul and Silas prayed at midnight?
Scriptures said baptized in the name of Jesus Christ or lord Jesus and not just Jesus name only because there are people's in the Bible name Jesus.👍
Hi Tim, this will be my last comment on this subject, it is fascinating that everybody acknowledge Jesus Christ as the only Truth, the Way and the Live, when there is a need of prayer for somebody that is ill, or what so ever the Name of Jesus Christ will be used, but when it comes to baptism they want to step away from it. Regarding "in the Name of Jesus Christ" you will see that just before the instruction was given to the disciples in Matt 28:19 you will see unto who did all the Authority belongs, unto Jesus Christ, and that is why the disciples Baptized in the name of Jesus Christ,,
Question: If the scriptures wasn't changed in Matt 29:19 From in the Name of Jesus Christ to in the Name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit to suite the Trinity theology ,do you think that there would be a discussion about it, or would everybody just been baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ,
If you would have watched the video, you would not have asked this question. I know you aren't going to answer, but why would you leave a comment on a video that you didn't watch? Your questions are irrelevent based on the things I said in the video. Goodbye.
The sad part is the comments. Just like all cults, they jump on the informant with insults and arguments that are vain and empty of substance. LOL. It's as if he is talking about the JWs.
Note that in the one copy we have of a "Hebrew Matthew",
it does not have the verse Matthew 28: 19, with the 3 names.
The name jesus is only 400- 500 years old.
His REAL name is Yahushua not jesus
Billy Protector please bro stop that
It seems contradictory to me to think that someone may be denying the Lord Jesus when that person precisely fulfills His command to be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, as it says in Matthew 28:19.
Yep... but, we believed it for about 30 years. Crazy.
THE NAME...
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the NAME of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
THE NAME OF THE SON...
Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a SON, and thou shalt call HIS NAME JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.
Mark 3:11 And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God.
THE NAME OF THE FATHER...
John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
John 10:25 JESUS answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I DO IN MY FATHER’S NAME, they bear witness of me.
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
THE NAME OF THE HOLY GHOST...
John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the HOLY GHOST, whom the Father will send IN MY NAME, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Colossians 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is CHRIST IN YOU, the hope of glory:
Do you know what 'In the name of' or 'in my name' means?
hi, i have a question: jesus christ is the son from the mother mary? so god in heaven, jesus the son and the holy ghost are one = god, the creator with name jesus christ? so who is the father of jesus, jesus himself?
Sir, you sound scared! You should be because you base your criticism on vain philosophy of men. Oneness is the closet you can get to the real nature of God!
Show me where I use vain philosophy. I only see me using scripture.
The bible is a complicated book Sir, if you don't have the Spirit of God, you can't understand the secrets of God. In Jesus dwells the fullness of the Godhead. Jesus is the image of the Invisible God. Jesus didn't receive a portion of God's Spirit, All of it was in Jesus.
email me if you want to talk more about that. Many don't believe because they have been blinded by the devil.
Ketia,
the fact that GOD dwells in Jesus would mean that Jesus isn't God.
God does not dwell in Himself. God IS Himself.
Jesus is The SON whom GOD *sent,* according to scripture.
Blessings
Oneness costs a penny.
Jesus only, among all the gods and figures of mythology, is a man who has the power to make men sons of God.
That makes his way the only way. It is his treasure in the world.
His pearl of great price.
No man can buy it with money.
Even a penny costs.
Words from two thirty.
Ketia L FRANCOIS! slam them pagan worshippers. I'm with you sister. JESUS is the one true LORD and GOD of the Bible
What I find strange is you cannot say the same thing that Peter said
baptize them in the name of Jesus Christ for what...
the remission of sins...
Basically, Oneness Pentecostals believe that what Jesus did on the cross wasn’t enough. If Ephesians 2:8,9 is not enough to convince them that the salvific process was done by Jesus Christ on the cross alone, then their understanding has been darkened by sin, according to Ephesians 4:18-20. I pray that you turn from legalism before it’s too late.
Galatians1:1 {Father raised Jesus from dead}
Paul, an apostle, not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who
raised him from the dead;
John 2:19-21 {Jesus raised himself from dead}
Jesus answered and said unto them, destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
And said, this fellow said,
I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days.
Matthew 26:61
And said, this fellow said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days.
Romans 8:11 {Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead}
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that
raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth
in you.
Acts 3:26 {God raised Son from the dead}
Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in
turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
Thessalonians 1:10
And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus,
which delivered us from the wrath to come.
Hebrews 13:20
Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that
great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
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Isaiah 42:5 44:22 {God created all things} Psalm 104:5
Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth
the earth and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the
people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that
maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heaven alone; that spreadeth
abroad the earth by myself; Who laid the foundations of the earth,
Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Jeremiah 32:17
Ah Lord God! Behold, thou hast made the heaven and the earth by thy great power and stretched
out arm, and there is nothing too hard for thee:
Colossians 1:16-17 {Jesus created all things} John 1:3
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of
sins.
Who is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of every creature:
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in
earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or
principalities, or powers: all things were created by him. And for him: And he
is before all things. And by him all things consist.
All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that
was made.
Hebrews 1:10 {The Father admits the Son created all}
And, Thou, Lord, {kurios} in the beginning hast laid the foundation of
the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands.
John 1:1, 2,3,14 {The Holy Spirit admits The word created all}
In [the] beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God, and God was the Word.
He was in [the] beginning with God. All things through him came into being, and without him
came into being not even one [thing] which has come into being.
And the Word flesh became, and tabernacled among us,
Job 26:13 33:4 {Holy Spirit creates}
By his Spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the
crooked serpent.
The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath
given me life.
Genesis 1:2
And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters
II Corinthians 6:16 {God dwells in us}
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? For ye are the temple of the
living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I
will be thier God.
Romans 8:9, 10 {Christ dwells in us}
.....Now if any man has not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you,
the body is dead because of sin;
I Corinthians 6:19 {Holy Ghost dwells in us}
What? Know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which
ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
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Matthew 10:19,20 { The Father speaks thru us }
But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be
given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you
Luke 21:14, 15 {Christ speaks thru us}
Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer
For I will give you a mouth and wisdom which
all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
Luke 12:11, 12 {Holy Ghost speaks thru us} Mark 13:11
And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and unto magistrates, and
powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall
say:
For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to
say. For it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
In HIS service,
Law and father are so much different with each other, because law does not have a name but the father has. And the father is the author of the law. If we are talk about " stop in the name of the law" meaning, in the name and the authority or in the power of the author of the law. Now, who is the author of the law and what is his power? Senator? President or king?.
My own Interpretation
(I encourage you compare Bibles and grab the best info)
ZWD (Zion's Watchtower Doubleday) Modified NWT 84 With 66 Doubleday & KJV Incorporated
1 John 5 verse 7
"So for it is, There are three witness bearers that bear record in (*1)heaven(s), the Father, the Word, and the (*2)Holy Spirit: and these three are one."
* 1
Paul (Saul) Had a Vision of 7 Heavens so did Enoch
*2
Also known as the Holy Ghost
Did I get this correct?
Based on my R.H. Charles research
Can I call you on facebook or any app to talk about Oness and trinity??
I THOUGHT HE DID A NICE JOB EXPLAINING SCRIPTURES BUT THIS IS ETERNITY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. ALWAYS TAKE THE “BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY INTERPRETATION “. THERE ARE SOME THAT SAY TO BE SAVED YOU MUST...
1 BELIEVE ONLY
2 BELIEVE AND BE BAPTIZED
3 BE SAVED THE SAME WAY THEY WAS IN THE BOOK OF ACTS...BELIEVE, BAPTIZED, AND RECEIVE THE HOLY GHOST WITH TONGUES AS THE EVIDENCE.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ETERNITY IN HEAVEN OR HELL IF YOU CHOOSE #1 or #2 AND YOU GET TO THE JUDGEMENT AND FIND OUT IT WAS #3 YOU HAVE JUST MADE THE BIGGEST MISTAKE THAT COULD EVER BE MADE. NOW IF YOU CHOOSE AND OBEY #3 AND IT ENDS UP BEING #1 OR #2 YOU WILL STILL BE SAVED.
ALWAYS REMEMBER MAN EVEN THOUGH WE ALL HAVE GOOD INTENTIONS COULD HAVE THE WRONG INTERPRETATION OF SCRIPTURE...
Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but EVERY MAN a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
@High Pockets
Dear brother,
So, you say that selecting 3 of them is better than choosing the wrong one out of 3 (leaving the 2).
Did I understand correctly?
If so, and if you don’t mind I have a question:
What if there is only one GOD and HE doesn’t like people associate HIM with all other things?
What if that one GOD has neither begotten a son nor has a partner in HIS kingdom; nor has HE need of any one to protect HIM from ignominy?
What if HE didn’t want any one to worship anything but HIM? And what if HE isn’t that son, or wholly spirit?
What would happen then?
So neither choosing Jesus as one nor choosing 3 as in one (because you don’t know who the other 2 ) would save you at the end?
Am I wrong?
Besides believing does not mean by words but by heart- and that heart is your witness and so is the CREATOR (HE can read your heart).
What would happen then, when your heart testifies that you have never been a true believer?
Not being able to see your LORD should not mean HE does not exist!
Am I wrong?
Remember Moses wanted to see GOD with his eyes. Yet, this did not happen. Am I wrong?
Seeing does not mean that you know and understand the truth either. Am I wrong?
So, all I know is that My GOD should be beyond anything !
I don’t want HIM to eat, sleep or cry! I don’t want HIM to ask a father for forgiveness!
My GOD should be one and unique! After all HE is the creator of all worlds and beyond... How can someone who is that strong can have needs as we do?
Jesus as like others (Adam, Noah , Moses...) ate and slept and went to restroom...
I don’t want a God who has needs as we do...
I don’t want a God who cries like a baby when there is a difficulty... because I already do that...
I don’t want a God who fails, and I don’t want a God who comes to earth in a human body to understand His people and their pain so He can be sacrificed because of their sin- which means he does not have any authority to forgive anyone when they repent.
He needs us to sacrifice something in order to do that.
On the other hand, I don’t want a God who would do that by sacrificing His own son either.
People believe that God sacrificed His only son (pure and innocent) to forgive the sin of His people.
He loved His people so much but sacrificed His only son? Is He the God who hates killing? Especially innocent ?
Well, I have always wondered that if we have a God who needs to send us His only son in a human form to understand us , purify us, forgive us, then He needs our help too.
Then what would be the difference between pagans/their gods and us?
What kind of Creator who doesn’t know His creation?
When you cook, you know what you cook, you know every little thing you included in that food... and so your mistakes too.
And when mr. Jobs made iPhone and encountered difficulties, I don’t think he wanted to become a cell phone to be able to fix the mistakes, or he didn’t have to sacrifice company Apple to pay the price in order to correct the mistakes.
We make mistakes, people make mistakes, creation make mistakes but not the Creator - HE never makes mistakes...
Am I wrong?
So I know what I want!
But, do you know what you want?
I MUST NOT HAVE BEEN CLEAR, WHAT I AM SUGGESTING IS THAT YOU CHOOSE #3 LIKE THE APOSTLES DID REPENTANCE, BAPTISM IN WATER AND SPIRIT WITH THE EVIDENCE OF SPEAKING IN TONGUES AS THEY DID IN THE BOOK OF ACTS...
Psalm 107:20 He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions.
I’VE GOT TO STAND WITH THE APOSTLES...
Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto PETER AND TO THE REST OF THE APOSTLES, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Sorry, but you cannot refute the one name which is above all names and it is the name of Jesus. Yeshua. Shout out His name for all eternity. Halleluja forever more.
Very simply but very clearly and very effectively, It was very useful learning Tim, God bless you.
It's actually not true that The only place in the New Testament the name Jehovah appears is in revelation. There are several places where the apostles quote the Old Testament directly. In most modern translations they remove God's name And insert the word Lord in all caps. Many Bible scholars believe That original Greek translations would have had the divine name there instead of Lord.
Trinitarians and Oneness believers seem to have a lot in common. I am fairly sure they both believe that Jesus is "God incarnate", or a "godman". Also, that Jesus had "2 natures", and was both God, and a man. Trinitarians teach that God exists in 3 "persons", while oneness teach that God exists in 3 "manifestations or modes". They seem very similar in their teachings to me.
Modalism is a strawman argument. It's the trinity that has 1 God who assumed 3 modes.
Speaking in tongues is not salvation. It's just part of salvation.
To be baptized in the name of Jesus is the fulfillment of Matt 28:19. Did anybody in the NT ever quote Matt 28:19?
This has been an on going debate since the Nicene Council of 325. The council wrestled with Arianism, but the Apostle's Creed was the result of that council. History and context matters. The trinity vs a oneness view of God; in the big picture does it matter as long as a person sees Jesus Christ as the Son of the Living God? However, It is confusing trying to divide God into three distinct individuals or Gods, when God did say he will not give his glory to another.
Its not that hard people God is a spirit no man has seen god at anytime . Jesus says he that has seen me has seen the father . Jesus christ is the visible image of the invisible god
There is no religion called pentecostalism in the holy scriptures called the Bible and this name came after God said be ye holy as I am aslo is holy and that a fact.
Your historical overview is wrong didn’t start with William Seymour started with Peter and the apostles on the day of Pentecost ACTS CH.2 the church was born with 120 in the upper room.
I was giving the history of the modern day movement.
You are confused, the bible clearly states in 1peter 3:21 baptism now saves us, and is got to be in the Name of Jesus Christ because there is no other name and yes the person must repent first before getting baptized. I am Apostiloc Pentecostal UPCI. And No we are not "Jesus only" we believe in the father as the creator, the Son as the Savior and the Holy Spirit as the comforter who comes to dwell in us when we are filled with the Holy Spirit. Isaiah 44: 6-8 I am the first I am the last; besides me there is no god. Revelation 1: 8-18 describes God and the revelaion of Jesus Christ. John saw one thrown and one sitting on the thrown. John did not see two throwns or three throwns.
I thought it start from Rev. PArham, Agnes Ozman , in Topeka Kanzas, 1901 Jan 1?? Which is which??
30:30 Isn't the question "why wasn't Paul baptizing people" a bit disingenuous though? Because he was. In the 3-4 verses previous to 1 Co 1: 17 he identifies a number of people that he baptized. He goes on to state he's glad he didn't baptize more then that, but why? Because of what people were arguing about, and that he was afraid they would say that he had baptized them in his own name.
As a Oneness Pentecostal minister and youth pastor, I thoroughly enjoyed this honest and (mostly) accurate challenge. I don't wish to throw tomatoes by any means, but I do take issue with your statement at around 19:00 that Oneness Pentecostals treat baptism in Jesus' Name as if it's a formula.
In all my years as a member or cohort of the largest Oneness Organizations (UPCI, ALJC, PAW, etc.), I've never heard of baptizing in Jesus' Name being expected to follow a "formula".
This would be ridiculous, as other nationalities and languages don't use the same grammar and contexts that we do when baptizing. So long as the name of Jesus is spoken over the convert as they are being baptized (which, as you said, most closely follows Acts 2:38 and the book of Acts encounters) it doesn't matter how you speak it.
Rather, we do see the Trinitarian view of baptism as a "formula" that attempts to forcibly separate the nature of God into three distinct forms, as we see God depicting himself in many different forms throughout His Word (i.e. a burning bush, an angel that fought with Jacob, as three men warning Abraham of Sodom's destruction, etc.). If you disagree with this, then tell me why the Assemblies of God so aggressively rejected this idea, since Jesus is supposed to represent "the Godhead bodily", and since there "is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved" (Acts 4:12)? I'll ask you what I've asked so many other Trinitarian friends: "Would you baptize someone in Jesus' Name if they asked? How about in the "Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, which is Jesus"? I'm not asking these questions to get in a few verbal jabs, but there seems to be a natural aversion by many Trinitarians to baptizing in the Name of Jesus, and I haven't met such a minister yet who would be willing to do so.
As Christian scholars have long differed concerning salvation, we in the Oneness Pentecostal Church have simply made the attempt to follow what the Bible says it takes to be saved. We accept every scripture, every passage. We believe in Acts 16:31 as well as Romans 10. We understand that belief in Jesus and calling upon Him for salvation are absolutely prerequisites to make it to heaven. But we also understand the context for these and other scriptures, that they were given after the great message by Peter in Acts 2:38, as an accessory to the answer he gave.
In Acts 2:40 we see that Peter was preaching: "Save yourselves from this corrupt generation" (i.e. the generation that had killed Jesus as the product of their sin). The people's response was: "Men and brethren, what shall we do?" (Acts 2:37).
You can argue with the semantics of Acts 2:38 all you want, but this is the first time after the New Covenant where people simply asked what it took to be saved. We already know that Peter was given the Keys to the Kingdom in Matthew 16, so his answer holds an enormous amount of weight.
As you quite eloquently put it, Peter's answer was also backed up by repeated accounts in Acts of people believing in Jesus Christ, repenting of their sins, and subsequently being baptized in Jesus' Name and being described as speaking in tongues.
While salvation requiring belief, repentance, baptism in Jesus' Name, and receiving of the Holy Spirit evidenced by speaking in tongues has been described by us as a "formula" (more akin to the analogy of following instructions to achieve the desired result), it is not the baptism itself that we attempt to formulize.
God bless you, my friend. Keep on studying. Keep on searching the Scriptures.
Oops! One more quick note.
In response to 30:30, Paul didn't come to baptize them for the same reason that an evangelist doesn't come into a church to baptize them. That's the local ministry's job.
People in Paul's day were distinguishing themselves based on WHO baptized them (Paul, Apollos, etc.), and so we can assume that many were clamoring for Paul to baptize them when he showed up. He had to make it clear: That's not my job. You should get baptized when you see your need for baptism, not when the popular preacher comes into town.
I would contend that if baptism WEREN'T necessary for salvation, then Paul either wouldn't bother with making this statement or would go into more detail IN THIS PASSAGE about why he didn't feel the need to baptize them, as that isn't necessary for salvation.
Thank you for your thoughtful comment. I get so tired of being called names. You instead, thoughtfully engaged with what I was teaching. And for the record, I would have no problem baptizing someone in Jesus' name.
Take care,
Tim
That's wonderful to hear! And I'm sorry for the name-calling of others in this section. Nothing makes the devil more happy than when people attack one another over the Bible. We must follow the words of Jesus and "Reason Together".
Now, as for your willingness to baptize in Jesus' name. I am curious as to why you would choose to do so. Because, honestly, you are the first Mainstream Christian minister that I have found who told me they would be willing to do so. Granted, I am in a heavily Apostolic area, so many of the non-Oneness churches have become quite radical in their attempts to argue against us (some even getting scarily close to Arianism in doing so). But I digress.
If you are willing to baptize believers in Jesus' name, does that mean that you would be willing to consider that this may have been what Jesus had instructed the disciples to do in the New Testament? I ask this because:
A) The disciples seem to follow this method of baptism throughout the book of Acts,
B) Philippians 2:9-11 says: "Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him (Jesus), and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
C) Acts 4:12 says: "And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
Please understand that this is not a trick question. I'm not trying to trap you; I just love discussing the name of Jesus. And these scriptures seem to indicate that salvation must be through the name of Jesus, regardless of one's beliefs on the Godhead. Now, I understand that you do not believe that baptism is essential for salvation, and is rather a way for Christians to demonstrate their faith and draw closer to God (please correct me if this assumption is wrong). But even if this is correct then one could posit that baptism is certainly a part of salvation (just as living a Christian life is a part of salvation). In this case, if I am buried with Christ in baptism, wouldn't it make sense that His name be invoked over me?
Sorry, this is a VERY long question. I can clarify if I have not been sufficiently clear.
Apologies, Pastor Martin. This is me; I accidentally posted with a different account.
No problem. One clarification: I am not a pastor. If being a pastor means preaching only, I would sign up immediately! But, a pastor needs to be a shepherd which I am not.
One quick explanation: I get a lot of posts across my CZcams channel. If you respond and I don't respond back, I might have missed it under the pile of other comments. My apologies in advance!
I have a theory about the non-Oneness folks in your area. Their strong reaction may be the same phenomena as evangelicals being very weary to give Mary any recognition. It is such a focus for Catholics, that evangelicals are afraid (without realizing it) that it is not anti-biblical to suggest that Mary was incredibly blessed to be the mother of Jesus. Likewise, with the naturally strong emphasis in your area about the name of Jesus in baptism, evangelical become overboard in running from even thinking about baptizing this way. I live in a very "Christianized" area in Pennsylvania, and I doubt Christians would care.
So, I disagree with your statement that Jesus told the disciples to baptize this way (in his name). I don't remember if it is in this video or part 2, but I dive into what is meant by the phrase "in the name of." I explain that it means "by the authority of." So, we are to baptize by the authority of Jesus. When baptizing then, we can claim the authority of Jesus, the Father or the Holy Spirit.
For this next paragraph, I just read it after writing it. It is not intended as an argument or proof of one side or another. You may already know this and agree. Maybe you disagree. I am open to your thoughts.
Here is something that I might not have said in the video (correct me if I am wrong, you watched it more recently than I): There is nothing magical about Jesus' name. It was a very common name in his day. When my niece was young, she had a friend named Jesus. So, I am sure you would agree that it is not the name that saves, but the person to whom the name is given. In this case, it is not my niece's friend, but the guy in the Bible born to a virgin, walked on water, etc. When we (or the Bible) say "in the name of Jesus," we are using a figure of speech called metonymy. Most people call any figure of speech a metaphor, but that is simply simplistic. A metonymy is "the substitution of the name of an attribute or adjunct for that of the thing meant." In this case, the word "Jesus" is substituted for the person who had that name 2,000 ish years ago. Just a few days ago I saw a funny video on youtube. A child was asked if he ate the box of cookies. He insisted that he didn't, but it was apparent that he did. Finally, it was realized that he didn't understand the question. No, he didn't eat the box, he ate the contents of the box. "Box" is an example of metonymy. The parent was not asking if the kid ate the cardboard box. Sometimes we use metonomy so often that we don't realize that we are doing it. The name Jesus does not save. The person in the Bible who bears the name Jesus does. I am sure you would agree with that. This is not a major point for my side or yours, just clarification about what is meant by "there is no other name given by which we may be saved." Jesus died as a sacrifice for sin. Not the father, nor the Holy Spirit. Hence, Jesus is the savior.
I may not know much about the Bible and stuff but somebody tell me how if these folks believe you must be baptized for the forgiveness of sins like it says in Acts 2:38 and how it is explained in Romans 6 AND at the same time they believe that Holy Spirit baptism is for everyone today . . . aren't they proclaiming TWO baptisms? Yet Ephesians 4:4 says ther is only one Lord, onme Faith, and one baptism.
Houston, we have a problem. God's Word says there is only one baptism. Yet these folks have two!
i am apostolic but dont believe a person has to baptize in the name of Jesus Christ to be saved I believe that it doesn't matter cause water baptism is a work done on the exterior of a believer no matter whats pronounce when a person is baptize So no baptism is WRONG both baptisms are correct Hello
Thank you for explaining it and may God bless you and your ministry.
Did Oneness start in the United States? Similar to LDS, JW, SDA, Christian Science, Scientology.?
The current Oneness (Apostolic) movement did start in the US, but there have been other people in history that have held similar views of God's nature. Still, these other people would have rejected many of the other modern day Oneness teachings.
If Jesus is not the Holy Spirit, then what Spirit is the apostle Paul meaning, and which Lord, in the following verse? 2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
Also, if Jesus is not the Holy Spirit then did the apostle Peter make a mistake? For he said that the Spirit of Christ was in the prophets that spoke of the sufferings of Christ and the glory that should follow:
1 Peter 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
Peter the apostle, in his second letter identified the same 'Spirit of Christ' as the Holy Ghost:
2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
The Trinity doctrine categorically states that the Son is not the Holy Ghost, how then does this exemplify the above passages of scripture?
So why do we cast out devils in Jesus name if the name does not matter?
I don't believe that I ever said that the name doesn't matter. Where did you get this? Instead, I emphasized that we need to understand what the phrase "in the name of" means in context.
"Stop in the name of"..."Law" and "Love" are not actual names, "Jesus" is an actual name in the form of a proper noun. c'mon people this not that hard to figure out, if you are willing. Talk about tie-ing things into your theological positions!! Honestly I never trust anyone who goes through such constraints to create a straw man argument
The name is important, names in the bible were very important and the name had meanings. So when Jesus told the disciples to Go and baptize in the name. Well who am i that i should not obey Him?
Well done, for explaining with the scriptures, amen. I haven’t heard a non believers explaining the truth, as Christ said, you are not far from the kingdom of God, God bless.
I am apostolic have spoken in tongues but dont believe its necessary for salvation its for empowered only in many ways
The evidence that someone has the Holy Spirit is the speaking of tongues. You cannot have the Holy Spirit and not speak in tongues.
Javier Delgado speaking in tongues is an awesome experience But still that didnt saved me , it empowers a beluverin many ways but that is my licence or "ticket'' for salvationA believe without speaking in tongues can walk in the spirit or be let by the H S Grace Kixks into a persoon when he believes and confeses with his mouth period repentance baptism are works Notuce that in Acts 3:37-38 repent and baptism are separated from the tine the people belived the Holy Spirit made a divsion there cause the two are works .Yes we wish tye baptis, t methodist , Adventist would make let the H S mabifest there by speaking in tongues But that diesnt nean they are not saved
Javier Delgado Ok still the Baptist et etc that have not receive not recive experience of speaking as evidence of the Holy Spirit do have the Grace cause they have confessed and believed Christ as savior and Lord so by grace they are taught to walk in the Spirit. Now once upon a time i had an experience with the H S i spoke in tongues and i interpreted the tongues i spoke and the H S showed me that i had gotten religious Now what about this oh that baptism in Jesus name and just cause i spoke in tongues does notasure me or u to walk in the spirit when the bible says to do that that's a must
Javier Delgado So the Baptist dont speak in tongues cause that what many have been taught but many have received that experience and moveed on to other ministries . Ok but by belienibg and confessing they have obeyed the H S Tge blasphemy towards the H S is not beacuse soneobe dudnt speak in tongues the Blasphemy to the H S is when a person rejects J C as savior and Lord not cause vthey dont want that manifestation of the H S Yes it would be beatiful to see John MacArthur speak in tongues Ed Young speak in tongues Charles Stanley ,Charles Swindoll , Tony Evans also and mamy of their menbers but if they never do hey will be over there in the third heaven
THE FACT THAT THE EXALTED CHRIST HAS A GOD IN HEAVEN INDICATES THAT HE IS NOT IQUAL TO THE FATHER AS THE ALMIGHTY. APOCALYPSE 3: 12
1) Everyone who has a God is because that God is more powerful than themselves.
2) Everyone who has a God is because is worshiping that God.
How is Christ going to be the only God and will have a God to worship? John 20:17 (note that here he is in the flesh as a limited human but in the following text it is already stated at the most in heavenly glory )
In Revelation 3: 12, Christ says the same name four times, there is no text in the Bible to remember the word God appears 4 times in the same verse. Note also that Revelation 3: 12 tells us that he receives a new name. What new name can Almighty God receive? What can be new for God? Revelation 2: 17.
The Father is the God of Christ, but the Father has no God, so He has no superior, the Father is the only Highest. The only way the Father is the God of Christ in heaven is if Christ is inferior to the Father and is different from the Father.
Lord God, give us not only WISDOM, but COMPASSION on our brother's and sister's "out there" who might simply be a little "turned around" on some doctrine. But may I HUMBLY add a bit of insight into this/these problem/s. First of all, the Lord tells us that Jesus Christ is "The Name ABOVE all names." God's word ALSO says, "(The Father) GAVE Christ ALL POWER and AUTHORITY." The Bible ALSO tells us that the Father GAVE Jesus the Holy Spirit. When you study God's word it becomes very evident that, 1) It was the Father that GAVE to Christ, and "raised him up," and 2) He HONORED the Son by GIVING him great glory!! So, yeh, why shouldn't we say, "In the NAME of Jesus?" How could that be a problem? It seems that many of God's people just LOVE controversy. Furthermore, there is but ONE Holy Spirit--the FATHER--and ONE Jesus Christ the Son. Christ means: "Anointed-One." So, WHO anointed WHO? One is the FATHER, THE OTHER the "Anointed Son." There is much that we need to SEE! Father, God--HELP US!!!
Jesus Christ Came in His Father’s NAME ! Many do not Understand this ! Amen ! ❤ God Bless
If you're going to argue against oneness, it'd be better to strongman their arguments rather than strawmanning.
yes but in the new testemant the name is above all names and the fullness of God is Jesus
Jesus said, ask any thing and will do it. Maybe Jesus sums up his name. Actually we are saved by faith in Christ not by baptism.
Why would Peter say baptism in Jesus name saves when Jesus told Paul that faith in Christ is what saves.
The baptism is only the outward showing that we are saved.
JESUS PRAYED TO THE FATHER I HAVE KEPT THEM THROUGH THY NAME. WHAT NAME IS IT THAT JESUS KEPT THEM THROUGH? GOD'S NATURE AND HIS POWER OR AUTHORTY.
Can i help You. No, Gods Name was not Jehova, this" name" is a selfmade Word ,not a Name. Jews never called God Jehova. Moses new Gods Name. It was in Hebrew called Yeshua. Meaning - Jesus.
Acts 2:38
Is not the Gospel unto salvation . Pentecostals never never never divide the word of truth . 2 Timothy 2 verse 15. Pentecost. Was for the Jews . Only 11 spoke in tongues not 120 like Pentecostals profess . The initial evidence is the mighty rushing wind and no one EVER “ pray for tongues . We are Gentiles our Gospel is unto Paul . Roman’s 11:13. Our Gospel is by Faith . Paul said in 1 Corinthians 1 verse 17. I have not been called to baptize but to preach the Gospel unto salvation . Their is no mention of the baptism of the Hy Spirit . Pentecostal took Acts 2 and 1 Corinthians 14. And perverted. Scripture and made up a doctrine that is a lie . People babble in gibberish . 1 Corinthians 14 :22. Tongues are for a sign . The Jews look for a sign. Don’t try to tell me I’m saved by water baptism according to Acts 2:38. You have a works. Gospel . Pentecostals are deceived and don’t believe in Eternal security but the Bible is quite clear on that . Why would a person spend all the money and time in a religion that can’t tell how to be saved . Why ? 1 John 5 verse 12. Whoever has the son has life and I write these things that you may know you have eternal life . If your trusting in yourself you will end up in Hell ! Christ paid it all ! It is finished. . Stupid oneness doctrine . Ruins people lives just like Catholicism
Correction
Peter on the day of Pentecost, preached baptism in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. This is found in Acts 2:38.
Beautifully done, until you got to eis. I’m Acts 2 the context demands “in order to get.” The argument about Paul not being sent to baptize was to address the division and preacheritis at Corinth and pointing out that it did not matter who did the baptizing. Your argument was not sufficient here.
You're not even using his name right.
If someone of a different etthnicity from you tells you their name, you don't start calling them the their name in English. You Use the pronunciation of THIER Culture/ Ethnicity.
His name is Yeshua .......
It is about His name. It's for His name's sake (1 Samuel 22:12; Psalm 23:3, 25:11, 31:3, 79:9, 106:8, 109:21, 143:11; Isaiah 48:9; Jeremiah 14:7, 21; Ezekiel 20:9, 14, 22, 44; Romans 1:5; 3 John 1:7).
The oneness belief is from the divine historical book, the bible. Any idea that this movement began in 1914, is false.