The most vernias ass description. Also, completely unrelated i just think it’s funny, just now Vernias autocorrected to “Veronica’s” which is interesting.
Animal Crossing is awful, they have so many incidents and bad apples, and so many more than you would expect. Granted, most of the community, sweetest people on the planet, but that 1%, oh god.
@@KarizmatycI can't boot up Counter Strike without hearing racial slurs. The thing with games like Valorant, League, or Overwatch is that you say anything remotely offensive, you get chat banned, so the toxicity is mostly passive aggressive, instead of overt racism or flaming
@@sarimsalman2698 as someone who has played most of those games, you absolutely get called slurs on the regular. people don't ever get banned for that.
Nick denying Pokemon fans being toxic after the Palworld controversy, is like a turtle coming out of its shell after living under a rock asleep for several centuries. No wonder he gave up on the Piplup persona.
Palworld is 50-50 for me, looking at that from the outside in, it felt like both sides were being brain off stupid. I've never ffelt like I've seen an argument where I was convinced both sides fighting didn't possess any form of vision.
@@Endershock1678 The point I was making was that Nintendo would've never made a statement(that so far has gone no where) about Palworld if they weren't getting contacted about the blantant imitations. That kind statement can only come from rabid fans reaching out to Nintendo out of spite and bad faith. Nick either neglected this fact, or was completely out of the loop about this glaring occurrence (even though it was all over Twitter).
@@Joonysuke You're putting a lot of faith in Nintendo. I don't think you know how many copyright controversies they've been a part of, nor how bad copyright laws are in Japan. Don't get me wrong, Pokemon fans are exceedingly toxic, but I don't think Palworld alone is enough to beat Minecraft.
@@Endershock1678 I'm not putting a single shred of faith in that farce of a company. I hate Nintendo with a passion, because they hate their fans. I'm well aware how often they go after people who "infringe" on their IPs. The number of DMCAs on CZcamsr videos, the C&Ds on stuff like GilvaSunner's channel, in addition to fan games like AM2R, to the piracy lawsuits(not counting Yuzu). And all of that is just the tip of the iceberg. I don't doubt Nintendo *wouldn't* do something, but they normally don't make public statements like that. The target of a legal takedown usually speaks up about it. They might be protective and "passionate" about their IPs for well-intended reasons, but their repeated actions tell a completely different story that I'm absolutely not okay with.
I agree with this, as alpha rad said, the internet takes and ruins what he loves, first it was Gardevoir, then it was Vaporeon. Then his favorite stor-
I remember hearing jokes during the whole Isabelle and Doomslayer era. That one fanbase was funny, kind, welcoming and overall fun and happy place. And that the other was a disgusting hellscape. DOOM was the welcoming one, by the way.
Been a tangential part of the Xenoblade community for a few years now. Gotta love how there’s people who do nothing but spout omega cringe, people who make really good fan art, Reyn time enjoyers, and nothing in the space between.
@@cailieisidro5758 even as someone that kind of liked xenoblade 2 and was kind of endeared by rex, i didn't understand it either lol, ESPECIALLY NIA, it was a complete jumpscare when she revealed her feelings
Man why do we have to start off with the two most wholesome internet communities, I don’t want either one to lose. Also the reason a lot of the Xenoblade community hates PJiggles is because PJiggles hates Xenoblade 2, and Xenoblade 1 is his favorite game.
To be ABSOLUTELY FAIR to the Minecraft community, mob votes are ass. They vote for one mob, even though all 3 are fleshed out and equally disappointingly useless. They get full updates with a new type of wood, rather than actual content. The devs could mash all these mob vote and biome updates into one update and make the community that much happier than an update doing just one biome and one mob.
I’m not saying the Minecraft fans are entirely on the right, but I wanna give point of view for a second: Within a week of the mob vote being announced, I had videos in my sub box from several content creators who do programming _for fun_ that had coded all of the mob vote mobs (and most of if not all of the previously revealed features of the upcoming update). The community is mad because a dude who has a coding software on his computer for the heck of it accomplished more game development in a few days than a company behind one of the most successful video games of all time.
I think the DK fandom has a big split, because you have the people who like the platformer like dunkey, who are generally pretty wholesome. But you also have the arcade community, which features (self proclaimed) video game player of the century Silly Bitchell
As a fan of Super Mario for over 25 years...I agree with you on the community. Most fans of the red plumber are pretty chill. Sure, there's infighting about what games or eras are the "best" or who's worthy of Mario sports rosters. The only subset of Mario fans that I'd deem as toxic are the Paper Mario fans. Otherwise, we are a pretty tight-knit community. That's saying something for a franchise with over 200 games...
I’d say Pokemon is more toxic than Xenoblade. With Xenoblade, most of the infighting that happened around the release of 2 has gone down, it’s mostly just Xenoblade fans versus any perceived slight on the series at this point. But with Pokemon, there’s not only fights and arguments between fans and non fans. Fans will go to war with each other over any topic, the best generation, whether or not the newest games are good or not, whether or not older games are good or not, and many more. With the exception of maybe Fire Emblem, I’ve never seen a community more ready to go to war with itself than Pokemon.
I mean pokemon is way bigger than xenoblade so if we are talking about percentage i think that pokemon is less problematic, at least from my experience
Nah you're telling me a billion dollar company, can only design 3 new creatures for a game A YEAR, make concepts for all of them, make videos and host a giant poll, and only add one is CRAZY. It would be cool if they added the other 2 later but NO, you only get one. I think the hate for the mob poll is absolutely justified. But 100% Minecraft still, the stans and the youtuber controversy is crazy.
Whatever. People stop bitching about it a week after the update comes out, so does it matter? 1.19 was hated for concepts and features not being added, people stopped caring a week later. Player reporting was hated, people stopped caring a week later. People want so much because the stuff they got before was so large, so they're overspoiled. If you don't like the lack of content, don't play the game, you have the liberty to do that. The lack of content is fine as long as it isn't doing what the Pokémon company does and rush its products to where they are almost unplayable. When 1.21 comes, I'll play it, and it will be fun, even without the other mobs.
persona fans can either be very chill people who just want a good story or the really irritating people who will fight endlessly to prove that their game and waifu is the best one. wait there's a persona 1 and 2 I thought they started from 3 hold on
I like Persona 3 fans, those guys are cool if a bit edgy, also Persona 4G fans (specifically 4G) are cool, but old school Persona 4 fans and Persona 5 fans are terrifying.
Persona 5 fans are what drag the Persona community down when their game is style over substance in short summary which tends to get boring real quickly
@@EidinAegis the whole modern persona community can get irritating when they act like pressing the A button a load of times just to get through all the dialogue and easy SMT combat is riveting gameplay, and overusing memes like there's no tomorrow on top of that. it gets tiring quickly. persona 5 fans are just the worst ones because most of the phantom thieves suck and the story doesn't get good until the 3rd semester in royal.
I mean minecraft makes sense, but like.. it depends which community you join, cause like there's so many different community types that minecraft really doesnt have 1 deffinitive toxic community, like if you play on hypixel yeah there toxic try hards but you could join a smaller less known server or more chill server in general and everybodys just hanging out having a good time, it really is the wild card imo.
Something I personally experienced with my fellow Xenoblade heads in regards to Smash specifically is a kind of... I guess underlying resentment or grumpyness towards how the franchise is presented in Smash? Long story short, Shulk in particular features a handful of inaccuracies in his moveset (one of which was *added* in Ultimate) and imo also doesn't really match his original personality at times and people were really disappointed with the music that came with Pyra and Mythra. But the biggest one is spoilers. This is a franchise where, as Nick mentioned, people are *really* attached to the stories and characters. We're talking about a community that to this day uses a codename when discussing one of the partymembers from XC1 to avoid spoiling a reveal from a game that's 14 years old. And then Smash, which for many was their introduction to the series, blatantly spoils multiple big plotpoints via Spirits and the characters themselves. Mythra herself is a story spoiler, let that sink in. Her first appearance is a big thing in XC2 (Smash did give us Massive Melee Mythra though which is just a better design). So a couple of people I've come into contact with are kinda peeved by how people see and are introduced to these characters they really like. As for PJiggles, iirc it's because he's a big fan of XC1 but also very vocal about really disliking XC2, which is actually not _that_ uncommon due to the large shifts in mechanics and tone between the two games. So people squabble over that as they tend to do when there's a fanbase divide.
Speaking of the Xenoblade storyline, how the fuck did Rex have babies were Pyra, Mythra, and Nia? (Earlier this week, I saw a Smash Bros CZcams video called Which Smash Bros character has been canonically smooched and that topic was brought up)
@@cailieisidro5758 See this is exactly what I mean. Rex having kids is supposed to be a reveal at the end of XC3, and it's a big deal that also feeds into Future Redeemed. And the thing with Nia is also big a suprise and payoff in the latter half of XC2. People get mad at things being casually thrown out like that. Anyways you know the drill spoilers ahead yada yada yada: As for how... well, the guy just has game I guess. Pyra and Mythra end up with seperate bodies at the end of their game, and Blade biology is heavily based on humans. It's not the only seemingly useless biological function they have, they can and like to eat despite being effectively immortal. They're not the only ones eith kids either. Also, not-so-fun-fact, at one or two points in XC2 it's heavily implied that Blade sex trafficking is a thing.
@@GumshoeClassic Uh………I read your comment. Was beginning to understand your summary and you made your good points until I read blade trafficking. Sorry how I’m still weirded out. However, I do remember that Pyra and Mythra separate but it really doesn’t change the fact how they’re blades over 1,000 years old. Objectophila and May-December romance
@@cailieisidro5758 Regarding the trafficking, yeah it's weird. And kinda horrible. And the game knows it, it's presented as very questionable. There absolutely are Drivers who are willing to abuse Blades, that's just a harsh fact in the setting. With the other things you mentioned... I don't see the objectophilia angle? A Blade is not an object, they're a living being, a person. And while they do suffer from the circumstance that their life is tied to that of another human or animal since they get turned back into a crystal when the Driver dies, they do have a free will. As for the age difference, while they technically have *existed* for a long time, they haven't lived for that long. The original Trinity Processor Core Pyra and Mythra are born from is really old, but Mythra as a person was awoken for maybe 2 years at best, and Pyra didn't exist for long either before she got stored in a pod. This is up to opinion, but I wouldn't describe someone as over 500 years old when they spent all that time unconcious, without their mind and body changing.. If you were to take a 15-year old kid and freeze them for 2 decades, I would still describe them as being 15 years old. As for Nia, it's a similar case. It's not exactly clear how old she is, but we know that she grew up alongside a kid, turned into a Flesh Eater when said child died as a young age, then shortly after her Driver died, she fled, got captured and then freed by Jin. While this could have theoretically been quite some time ago, the age of this current incarnation of Nia is ultimately unknown, the game really doesn't paint it as such. Nia is very much shown as probably being a recent addition to the crew with the way she is treated, and by the time Rex is an adult (aka when they have the kid) Nia has aged similarly. Which is in line with some other Flesh/Blade Eaters, it's in general implied that they grow to adulthood and just kinda stagnate there. I'd say the issue with their relationships isn't that Rex is much younger, cause again Nia most likely isn't older by any significant margin and the others were on ice for 99% of the time, but rather that they're all going to outlive him. While they will mature and experience life together, Rex will age much faster physically. I guess you could make the argument for *Rex* being the older one compared to Pyra/Mythra as he has actively been out and about for longer than them, but that then begs the question whether someone who came into existence boasting the knowledge and maturity of a teenager/very young adult counts as being on the same mental level as someone who naturally grew into those. A question we... can't really answer.
Pokemon fans are *INSANELY* *TOXIC.* It was the original Minecraft during its start. The Palword situation got out of hand because they snitched about it to Nintendo directly, the way the competitive community treats casuals, and constant controversies involving some of its top players and content creators, Verlisify in general, the constant Gen 1 vs everyone war that's still happening, most people's response to anime moments like Ash Ketchum finally leaving the series and Greninja leaving the show, and how the very odd beef Pokemon fans with and attempted to sabotage the series Yokai Watch because some reviewers declared that it was the next Pokemon, review bombing the series into obscurity in the West, like they tried with Digimon and again with Monster Rancher. Even if you said any of those was somehow better than Pokemon, they would come for your neck.
As a splatoon fan, i can wholeheartedly confirm the Community is an easy finalist contender for toxicity. The deep cut splatfest incident on its own easily solo all controversy half the fandom there could have done.
3:45 Alot of pikmin fans are very accepting of new people into the fandom its just sometimes there can be heated discussion of which of the 4 games are the best in the series
I hate how my favorite games (sonic games and Minecraft and pokemon) is seen as toxic although I’m biased because I’m not part of the bad side of the communities because the communities so bad that i would admit it is bad if i was apart of the bad side of those communities
As someone who has played (so far) 2 Xenoblade games but hasn't engaged in the community, it is wild for me to hear that it has enough drama for it to make it to semi-finals in this video. I really love the games and recommend everyone play it so I didn't even think that there could be drama.
As a splatoon fan I can confirm the fandom is absolutely awful. Though I do disagree about the music thing, I’ll let you have your opinions. Great video edm.
I’m just glad I diverse my rpg experience Before I started doing violet vgc and shiny hunting I played smtv at first then p5 And now I started playing star ocean So the pal world never really bothered me since I just like rpg games And action rpg aspect of pal is unique to me with the Minecraft like survival aspect
I love the mega man series. Yea I've sorta dropped him as a main since he's more complicated than my dumbass can comprehend, but he's got some saucey ass clips online Edit: holy crap EDM hearted me les GOOO
As a Sonic fan, it's interesting to hear other communities be more toxic than ours. I'd honestly rather play Sonic 06 and Boom RoL back-back then interact with 85-90% of the community. Don't get me wrong, there's still the nice, calm, wholesome side to it, where everyone's chill and just having a good time, but the majority of it is just war and hatred, which kinda hurts to see and say.
I can tell you for a fact that despite the Sonic series' infamy there are plenty of franchises that can rival and likely even surpass how toxic the Sonic community can get. I'm honestly surprised how quickly Fire Emblem was eliminated based on how many wars i've witnessed within that fandom.
@@robmacher3253 Well that's interesting. I really find it interesting to hear about other fandoms and how toxic they can get since I normally stay withing the Sonic, Undertale, and Smash Bros fandoms.
I can tell you, Persona 5 fans are awful, but I would not say the rest of the Persona fans are wholesome. Persona 3 is pretty cool, but the scale of violence I saw the Persona 4 waifu wars reach puts any other to shame. Also, I hate Banjo mains. I swear, some of the worst tweets I've ever seen in my life are usually made by someone with a banjo pfp.
Man can we have one thing not be despised in the Pokémon community here? :,( I personally love everything Pokemon makes, that just makes me a dime a dozen though
I will say that the xenoblade community as a whole isn't that bad. Or rather I guess I should say that we're split in to 2 sub-communities. It's a little hard to judge the community as whole since there is that split. Xenoblade 1 fans will fight tooth and nail defending it as if it were the greatest game ever made. Which it's not. Don't get me wrong, great game, great story, but it's not that good. Xenoblade 2 fans will acknowledge that the game is super flawed. You point out a problem with the game, and we'll answer "yeah we know, we like the game anyways." I want to clarify that it isn't that the community is entirely split. It's just that we get along fine, but most people do have a preference towards one game or the other. As for xenoblade 3. I'll admit that I'm not too sure. I think we all like the game and find it enjoyable with not a whole lot of us deciding on it being our favorite of the 3. And Xenoblade X. I keep on forgetting that it exists, and I'm not really sure why it's considered a main line game by some people.
Zelda's community is generally pretty positive, but things def get heated over what the "best" game and "worst" game is. There are plenty who will call Zelda 2 the worst, and plenty who will defend it to the death. And there's plenty that will fight over Ocarina of Time vs. Wind Waker for best game.
I was expecting this to be a tier list, but having it be a March Madness style bracket was a clever way of spicing up the content. Epic job, Mr. Dong Man! 😎🆒
That fandom is garbage and very divided on who you like with the games nowadays being more about waifus than actual story. Hell I would recommend Persona 5 Tactica over any Fire Emblem Game if you didn't want to interact with a worse community.
Regarding the Minecraft Mob Vote, People were just disappointed that they had to choose between one of three mobs, when Mojang clearly has the money to add all three. I'm personally disappointed that the Penguin didn't get added, but I'm not on the internet enough to care about which mob gets added. (They were all pretty useless.) Also, I'm an Arms Fan. I don't know if there's a community, I just like Arms, and hope it'll get a sequel.
I fully agree with your final choice but I just want to say something *spoilers below* Minecraft can be fun and have very creative people and mods, but trust me you're going to have to dig slightly deep past all of the sweaty tryhards that haven't seen the sun in eight years, not to mention all of the other drama with the game and some of the people there (you know exactly what I'm talking about) a lot of the game can be very fun especially with creative mods and with certain youtubers, but I'll still say you've made the right decision (Edit: forgot about the mob vote; it sucks because why are we only allowed to make one decision that splits the community often violently when you can just add all 3)
I'm mostly indifferent about most community opinions I happen to know about but Pokémon is another breed, I just get whammied if I don't know what a specific Pokedex entry is for that one specific mon
Man, minecraft back in the day I'd argue was one of the most wholesome communities out there. We'd watch Stampy, IBallisticSquid, and DanTDM and there were so many talented people out there making animations and other super awesome stuff. Boy did things change...
I saw the final fantasy vs pikmin and the first thing that came to mind for points against ff was the final fantasy house.... obviously an outlier but still it uh... was definitely a thing that happened
For the Final Fantasy and Pikmin, Final Fantasy all the way. While 7 is the most popular game in the series, there’s plenty of toxicity. For example, there was a Cloud x Tifa shipper on Twitter that made a hate speech towards the game’s writer. Another part known for the fandom is how people are thirsty for the characters, especially the Italian senate incident
as soon someone whos active on persona twitter i can very much confirm that the persona communities is one of the worst i’ve ever been apart of better than the smash community but it’s still cheeks
As a 25 year old who grew up on Minecraft videos I have to say, the oldtime Minecraft CZcamsrs and the newer people they play with make up a really wholesome community! that I still like to watch :) By the way Have you ever looked into getting a decent microphone? I feel like good audio is maybe even more valuable than having a good camera. If you're going for a different "aesthetic" to your channel, that's understandable too. Though your videos are edited too spicy for me to think that. I only noticed your microphone at the beginning of the video though, it didnt really bother me after that I really liked the last 2 videos by the way! Fun concepts.
As a person who enjoys splatoon, I 100% agree with EDM about splatoon music 😂 Literally the only song I want playing in my battles is splattack every other song I dont care for
7:22 You can say the same thing for Metal Gear my guy. It might even be worse. KH fandom is definitely full of a bunch of whiny babies though so I think this is fair, but not because of the lore. Nomura and Kojima are different breeds of storytellers bruh.
To get an exact answer for sonic vrs Minecraft the amount of research you'd have to do is gonna drive you insane if you didn't already go insane with what these people are doing
As a Earthbound fan, I don't mind the community at all mainly cuz from my experience it's just a whole lotta chill people. I love alot of other games like Persona 5 and Minecraft but you won't catch me saying the same about those communities lmao they wildin. When it comes to Earthbound, all we got is just the extreme want for Mother 3 to be localized and that most recent direct showcase we had didn't help at all I feel that shit just fueled the fire lmao (I never saw anyone mention this but after that direct showcase where they cucked us from Mother 3, they added Earthbound Beginnings and Earthbound profile icons to the switch for the US peeps. That had me laughing hard, just more salt on the wound 😭😭)
@@decknightlmao Honestly i don't doubt that, that checks out lmao stuff like this is what makes people pirate their games and stuff and they wonder why we do it lol
As someone who's in the Kirby community (shocking, I know), I would absolutely agree that Animal Crossing is much more toxic (as someone who also used to be in the Animal Crossing community)
The further your series is in this bracket, the less Nintendo should appeal to those fans. Figures FE got off the hook again, but at least they still have good fighter potential picks if they aren't gonna go all echo fighter and predictable new game main protagonist happy mode. As for some of the series much higher up I do like... yeah I understand lol
I think the Sonic community is the most like, ehh idk like, I guess I could say the “worse” out of all the franchises that are in smash, they always gotta be like “since Sonic is super fast, he is the strongest video game character!”🤓 Like do they know any other video game characters except characters from Sonic? They always gotta say something when someone says something bad about their franchise.
The “Persona fans vs Persona 5 fans” is so real because it’s literally the same thing with Fire Emblem fans and Fire Emblem Three Houses fans. Never seen a group of fans be so obsessive as much as the FE3H and that includes the infamous FE elitists. One example includes those fans were eagerly hoping Engage (an anniversary game meant to celebrate the series as a whole) would tank thinking it could mean more games in Fodlan like 3H prequels and sequels.
as a sonic fan, we hate everybody, ESPECIALLY sonic and ourselves
so true
Also as a Sonic fan, there are very few things I hate AND love more than Sonic. It's complicated.
the way pikmin was described was literally just vernias in a nutshell
The most vernias ass description. Also, completely unrelated i just think it’s funny, just now Vernias autocorrected to “Veronica’s” which is interesting.
The most toxic Community of all, the smash bros Community
Nearly as controversial as Minecraft lol.
Easily, and it's not particularly close.
"But you guys are WAY worse than f_cking Animal Crossing."
The "Space Buns" incident:
Animal Crossing is awful, they have so many incidents and bad apples, and so many more than you would expect. Granted, most of the community, sweetest people on the planet, but that 1%, oh god.
The "Moving Boxes" incident:
Truuuuuee
The whole dang smash franchise is the most toxic community though 😂
After League, Minecraft, Siege, CoD, Overwatch, Valorant, and Fortnite yeah probably
Dont forget tf2
@@KarizmatycI can't boot up Counter Strike without hearing racial slurs. The thing with games like Valorant, League, or Overwatch is that you say anything remotely offensive, you get chat banned, so the toxicity is mostly passive aggressive, instead of overt racism or flaming
Clash royale gets underrated in these toxicity debates since it’s mobile, but it’s definitely number 1
@@sarimsalman2698 as someone who has played most of those games, you absolutely get called slurs on the regular. people don't ever get banned for that.
Nick denying Pokemon fans being toxic after the Palworld controversy, is like a turtle coming out of its shell after living under a rock asleep for several centuries. No wonder he gave up on the Piplup persona.
Palworld is 50-50 for me, looking at that from the outside in, it felt like both sides were being brain off stupid. I've never ffelt like I've seen an argument where I was convinced both sides fighting didn't possess any form of vision.
@@Endershock1678 The point I was making was that Nintendo would've never made a statement(that so far has gone no where) about Palworld if they weren't getting contacted about the blantant imitations. That kind statement can only come from rabid fans reaching out to Nintendo out of spite and bad faith. Nick either neglected this fact, or was completely out of the loop about this glaring occurrence (even though it was all over Twitter).
@@Joonysuke You're putting a lot of faith in Nintendo. I don't think you know how many copyright controversies they've been a part of, nor how bad copyright laws are in Japan.
Don't get me wrong, Pokemon fans are exceedingly toxic, but I don't think Palworld alone is enough to beat Minecraft.
@@Endershock1678 I'm not putting a single shred of faith in that farce of a company. I hate Nintendo with a passion, because they hate their fans. I'm well aware how often they go after people who "infringe" on their IPs. The number of DMCAs on CZcamsr videos, the C&Ds on stuff like GilvaSunner's channel, in addition to fan games like AM2R, to the piracy lawsuits(not counting Yuzu). And all of that is just the tip of the iceberg.
I don't doubt Nintendo *wouldn't* do something, but they normally don't make public statements like that. The target of a legal takedown usually speaks up about it. They might be protective and "passionate" about their IPs for well-intended reasons, but their repeated actions tell a completely different story that I'm absolutely not okay with.
Amen brother !!!!!
Xenoblade beating Pokemon is wild. I know it's more anime, but still, Pokemon can't even go 3 months without some new controversy popping up
Plus Xenoblade toxicity is usually self-contained.
the way pokemon fans reacted to pal world probably makes them like one of the top 3 most toxic fandoms out of all the series in smash
14:44 people get REALLY attached to to pokemon too my guy... like when the aegis get to vapoureon numbers, then we'll talk
I'm not a Xenoblade person but it being chosen over Animal Crossing before that one kinda hurts to see when you binge-watch drama in communities
I agree with this, as alpha rad said, the internet takes and ruins what he loves, first it was Gardevoir, then it was Vaporeon. Then his favorite stor-
No why would you say that I didn't want to know that fish cat has more results than 2 in one Anime wifi girls
My friends are persona fans and they can go on for like hours about different things about the games or the characters and it is amazing to me
I remember hearing jokes during the whole Isabelle and Doomslayer era.
That one fanbase was funny, kind, welcoming and overall fun and happy place. And that the other was a disgusting hellscape.
DOOM was the welcoming one, by the way.
If there are any ARMS fans out there like me, please let your presence be known.
Right here
What's up gamer
Am I also in the minority for being happy and still happy with min mins inclusion? I think a lot more characters are lamer then her
Coney is one
@@aidenvega6306 next should be master mummy, we NEED a good heavy. Healing when shield, and really good range would be perfect for a top tier heavy
Most toxic is definitely sonic cause of chemical plant zone
Ba dm dsh
Weakest wario fan had me wheezing (I’m a wario main and been bulking my whole life)
Cut gonna go crazy (coming 2034)
As Wario is my most played, I am honored to be a Wario fan who knows more than just spamming “YOU PICK WAAAA”
Been a tangential part of the Xenoblade community for a few years now. Gotta love how there’s people who do nothing but spout omega cringe, people who make really good fan art, Reyn time enjoyers, and nothing in the space between.
Speaking of which, I have no idea how Rex pulled off Pyra, Mythra, and Nia. Especially since 2 of them are swords
@@cailieisidro5758 even as someone that kind of liked xenoblade 2 and was kind of endeared by rex, i didn't understand it either lol, ESPECIALLY NIA, it was a complete jumpscare when she revealed her feelings
Morale of the story : if you like a game never interact with its community
Man why do we have to start off with the two most wholesome internet communities, I don’t want either one to lose.
Also the reason a lot of the Xenoblade community hates PJiggles is because PJiggles hates Xenoblade 2, and Xenoblade 1 is his favorite game.
Either Sonic or Pokemon should be most toxic.
To be ABSOLUTELY FAIR to the Minecraft community, mob votes are ass. They vote for one mob, even though all 3 are fleshed out and equally disappointingly useless. They get full updates with a new type of wood, rather than actual content. The devs could mash all these mob vote and biome updates into one update and make the community that much happier than an update doing just one biome and one mob.
I’m not saying the Minecraft fans are entirely on the right, but I wanna give point of view for a second:
Within a week of the mob vote being announced, I had videos in my sub box from several content creators who do programming _for fun_ that had coded all of the mob vote mobs (and most of if not all of the previously revealed features of the upcoming update). The community is mad because a dude who has a coding software on his computer for the heck of it accomplished more game development in a few days than a company behind one of the most successful video games of all time.
I think the DK fandom has a big split, because you have the people who like the platformer like dunkey, who are generally pretty wholesome. But you also have the arcade community, which features (self proclaimed) video game player of the century Silly Bitchell
Thats 1 person
As a fan of Super Mario for over 25 years...I agree with you on the community.
Most fans of the red plumber are pretty chill. Sure, there's infighting about what games or eras are the "best" or who's worthy of Mario sports rosters. The only subset of Mario fans that I'd deem as toxic are the Paper Mario fans.
Otherwise, we are a pretty tight-knit community. That's saying something for a franchise with over 200 games...
"you do have to watch 17 thousand hours to get kingdom hearts lore"
my guy you are talking about METAL GEAR SOLID
I’d say Pokemon is more toxic than Xenoblade. With Xenoblade, most of the infighting that happened around the release of 2 has gone down, it’s mostly just Xenoblade fans versus any perceived slight on the series at this point. But with Pokemon, there’s not only fights and arguments between fans and non fans. Fans will go to war with each other over any topic, the best generation, whether or not the newest games are good or not, whether or not older games are good or not, and many more. With the exception of maybe Fire Emblem, I’ve never seen a community more ready to go to war with itself than Pokemon.
Honestly with Pokemon not making the finals is ironically a crime. But the way it turned out mob vote and Jenny's mod solos persona
Also the recent Palworld controversy, where fans faked AI usage and GAVE DEATH THREATS TO POCKETPAIR. Pokémon is most toxic easily.
I mean pokemon is way bigger than xenoblade so if we are talking about percentage i think that pokemon is less problematic, at least from my experience
The whole situation was bad on both side.as an outsider looking in both sides were stupid
“Pokémon fans are never happy”
…yea…
Nah you're telling me a billion dollar company, can only design 3 new creatures for a game A YEAR, make concepts for all of them, make videos and host a giant poll, and only add one is CRAZY. It would be cool if they added the other 2 later but NO, you only get one. I think the hate for the mob poll is absolutely justified. But 100% Minecraft still, the stans and the youtuber controversy is crazy.
Remember when Minecraft stans harassed Tommyinnit for getting therapy after Minecraft Stans were writing erotic fanfic about him?
I don't think it would be justified if the poll wasn't so easily rigged. I'm still upset about the Glow Squid.
@@Endershock1678 justice for the moobloom and iceologer fr man 😭
Whatever. People stop bitching about it a week after the update comes out, so does it matter? 1.19 was hated for concepts and features not being added, people stopped caring a week later. Player reporting was hated, people stopped caring a week later. People want so much because the stuff they got before was so large, so they're overspoiled. If you don't like the lack of content, don't play the game, you have the liberty to do that. The lack of content is fine as long as it isn't doing what the Pokémon company does and rush its products to where they are almost unplayable. When 1.21 comes, I'll play it, and it will be fun, even without the other mobs.
persona fans can either be very chill people who just want a good story or the really irritating people who will fight endlessly to prove that their game and waifu is the best one. wait there's a persona 1 and 2 I thought they started from 3 hold on
I like Persona 3 fans, those guys are cool if a bit edgy, also Persona 4G fans (specifically 4G) are cool, but old school Persona 4 fans and Persona 5 fans are terrifying.
Persona 5 fans are what drag the Persona community down when their game is style over substance in short summary which tends to get boring real quickly
@@EidinAegis the whole modern persona community can get irritating when they act like pressing the A button a load of times just to get through all the dialogue and easy SMT combat is riveting gameplay, and overusing memes like there's no tomorrow on top of that. it gets tiring quickly. persona 5 fans are just the worst ones because most of the phantom thieves suck and the story doesn't get good until the 3rd semester in royal.
I mean minecraft makes sense, but like.. it depends which community you join, cause like there's so many different community types that minecraft really doesnt have 1 deffinitive toxic community, like if you play on hypixel yeah there toxic try hards but you could join a smaller less known server or more chill server in general and everybodys just hanging out having a good time, it really is the wild card imo.
I played Banjo-Kazooie while dealing with a family member that had cancer. In a small, foolish way those guys are my friends.
Good to know Banjo-Kazooie was there for you in hard times, hope your family member is doing better now
@@jakethedog1483 Thanks, Jake. She's doing better than all of us.
The moral of the story is most of these communities are not good
Smash itself
Something I personally experienced with my fellow Xenoblade heads in regards to Smash specifically is a kind of... I guess underlying resentment or grumpyness towards how the franchise is presented in Smash?
Long story short, Shulk in particular features a handful of inaccuracies in his moveset (one of which was *added* in Ultimate) and imo also doesn't really match his original personality at times and people were really disappointed with the music that came with Pyra and Mythra.
But the biggest one is spoilers.
This is a franchise where, as Nick mentioned, people are *really* attached to the stories and characters. We're talking about a community that to this day uses a codename when discussing one of the partymembers from XC1 to avoid spoiling a reveal from a game that's 14 years old. And then Smash, which for many was their introduction to the series, blatantly spoils multiple big plotpoints via Spirits and the characters themselves. Mythra herself is a story spoiler, let that sink in. Her first appearance is a big thing in XC2 (Smash did give us Massive Melee Mythra though which is just a better design).
So a couple of people I've come into contact with are kinda peeved by how people see and are introduced to these characters they really like.
As for PJiggles, iirc it's because he's a big fan of XC1 but also very vocal about really disliking XC2, which is actually not _that_ uncommon due to the large shifts in mechanics and tone between the two games. So people squabble over that as they tend to do when there's a fanbase divide.
Speaking of the Xenoblade storyline, how the fuck did Rex have babies were Pyra, Mythra, and Nia? (Earlier this week, I saw a Smash Bros CZcams video called Which Smash Bros character has been canonically smooched and that topic was brought up)
@@cailieisidro5758 See this is exactly what I mean. Rex having kids is supposed to be a reveal at the end of XC3, and it's a big deal that also feeds into Future Redeemed. And the thing with Nia is also big a suprise and payoff in the latter half of XC2. People get mad at things being casually thrown out like that.
Anyways you know the drill spoilers ahead yada yada yada:
As for how... well, the guy just has game I guess. Pyra and Mythra end up with seperate bodies at the end of their game, and Blade biology is heavily based on humans. It's not the only seemingly useless biological function they have, they can and like to eat despite being effectively immortal. They're not the only ones eith kids either.
Also, not-so-fun-fact, at one or two points in XC2 it's heavily implied that Blade sex trafficking is a thing.
@@GumshoeClassic Uh………I read your comment. Was beginning to understand your summary and you made your good points until I read blade trafficking. Sorry how I’m still weirded out. However, I do remember that Pyra and Mythra separate but it really doesn’t change the fact how they’re blades over 1,000 years old. Objectophila and May-December romance
@@cailieisidro5758 Regarding the trafficking, yeah it's weird. And kinda horrible. And the game knows it, it's presented as very questionable. There absolutely are Drivers who are willing to abuse Blades, that's just a harsh fact in the setting.
With the other things you mentioned... I don't see the objectophilia angle? A Blade is not an object, they're a living being, a person. And while they do suffer from the circumstance that their life is tied to that of another human or animal since they get turned back into a crystal when the Driver dies, they do have a free will.
As for the age difference, while they technically have *existed* for a long time, they haven't lived for that long. The original Trinity Processor Core Pyra and Mythra are born from is really old, but Mythra as a person was awoken for maybe 2 years at best, and Pyra didn't exist for long either before she got stored in a pod.
This is up to opinion, but I wouldn't describe someone as over 500 years old when they spent all that time unconcious, without their mind and body changing.. If you were to take a 15-year old kid and freeze them for 2 decades, I would still describe them as being 15 years old.
As for Nia, it's a similar case. It's not exactly clear how old she is, but we know that she grew up alongside a kid, turned into a Flesh Eater when said child died as a young age, then shortly after her Driver died, she fled, got captured and then freed by Jin. While this could have theoretically been quite some time ago, the age of this current incarnation of Nia is ultimately unknown, the game really doesn't paint it as such. Nia is very much shown as probably being a recent addition to the crew with the way she is treated, and by the time Rex is an adult (aka when they have the kid) Nia has aged similarly. Which is in line with some other Flesh/Blade Eaters, it's in general implied that they grow to adulthood and just kinda stagnate there.
I'd say the issue with their relationships isn't that Rex is much younger, cause again Nia most likely isn't older by any significant margin and the others were on ice for 99% of the time, but rather that they're all going to outlive him. While they will mature and experience life together, Rex will age much faster physically.
I guess you could make the argument for *Rex* being the older one compared to Pyra/Mythra as he has actively been out and about for longer than them, but that then begs the question whether someone who came into existence boasting the knowledge and maturity of a teenager/very young adult counts as being on the same mental level as someone who naturally grew into those. A question we... can't really answer.
@@GumshoeClassic Xenoblade lore is confusing
Pokemon fans are *INSANELY* *TOXIC.* It was the original Minecraft during its start. The Palword situation got out of hand because they snitched about it to Nintendo directly, the way the competitive community treats casuals, and constant controversies involving some of its top players and content creators, Verlisify in general, the constant Gen 1 vs everyone war that's still happening, most people's response to anime moments like Ash Ketchum finally leaving the series and Greninja leaving the show, and how the very odd beef Pokemon fans with and attempted to sabotage the series Yokai Watch because some reviewers declared that it was the next Pokemon, review bombing the series into obscurity in the West, like they tried with Digimon and again with Monster Rancher. Even if you said any of those was somehow better than Pokemon, they would come for your neck.
As a splatoon fan, i can wholeheartedly confirm the Community is an easy finalist contender for toxicity. The deep cut splatfest incident on its own easily solo all controversy half the fandom there could have done.
Your never a happy Pokemon fan unless you love Vileplume as your favorite
3:45 Alot of pikmin fans are very accepting of new people into the fandom its just sometimes there can be heated discussion of which of the 4 games are the best in the series
Dk is always on top bro, goated games, goated people, goated music.
I hate how my favorite games (sonic games and Minecraft and pokemon) is seen as toxic although I’m biased because I’m not part of the bad side of the communities because the communities so bad that i would admit it is bad if i was apart of the bad side of those communities
It's just size. There's more fans for those series, so more bad apples are gonna pop up, and controversies are more likely to make headlines.
14:40 Pokemon literally has 22 anime seasons
As a Pokemon and Zelda fan, they crazy
Then there's the Smash Community itself...
EDM and TCNick3 communities literally too nice to even be mentioned
As a member of the Fatal Fury/Garou/King of Fighters fanbase. I can say, we're a pretty chill group.
As someone who has played (so far) 2 Xenoblade games but hasn't engaged in the community, it is wild for me to hear that it has enough drama for it to make it to semi-finals in this video. I really love the games and recommend everyone play it so I didn't even think that there could be drama.
This man is trying to cause some trouble with these past videos
ill come back in 8 hours to see the wars on this vid
No way Pokémon doesn't take the crown 😂
I thought the same thing until I remembered Minecraft
@@BloopTheNoop it can't be thaaaaaat bad 😭(other than like the child molesters I mean 💀)
@@LucasDanielCab5 No, it's that bad. Favorite game ever, and I can tell you it's that bad.
Sophist is part of the wario community. Let that sink in
Yeah... that whole #stopthemobvote thing wasn't Minecraft's highest point.
12:07 my mind literally had a millisecond flashback to prepare for the worst 💀
As a splatoon fan I can confirm the fandom is absolutely awful. Though I do disagree about the music thing, I’ll let you have your opinions. Great video edm.
I’m just glad I diverse my rpg experience
Before I started doing violet vgc and shiny hunting
I played smtv at first then p5
And now I started playing star ocean
So the pal world never really bothered me since I just like rpg games
And action rpg aspect of pal is unique to me with the Minecraft like survival aspect
as a pokemon fan, I can confirm that I am never happy, or maybe it's because im a high school math teacher in america WHO KNOWS?
I love the mega man series. Yea I've sorta dropped him as a main since he's more complicated than my dumbass can comprehend, but he's got some saucey ass clips online
Edit: holy crap EDM hearted me les GOOO
As a Sonic fan, it's interesting to hear other communities be more toxic than ours. I'd honestly rather play Sonic 06 and Boom RoL back-back then interact with 85-90% of the community. Don't get me wrong, there's still the nice, calm, wholesome side to it, where everyone's chill and just having a good time, but the majority of it is just war and hatred, which kinda hurts to see and say.
I can tell you for a fact that despite the Sonic series' infamy there are plenty of franchises that can rival and likely even surpass how toxic the Sonic community can get. I'm honestly surprised how quickly Fire Emblem was eliminated based on how many wars i've witnessed within that fandom.
@@robmacher3253 Well that's interesting. I really find it interesting to hear about other fandoms and how toxic they can get since I normally stay withing the Sonic, Undertale, and Smash Bros fandoms.
I can tell you, Persona 5 fans are awful, but I would not say the rest of the Persona fans are wholesome. Persona 3 is pretty cool, but the scale of violence I saw the Persona 4 waifu wars reach puts any other to shame.
Also, I hate Banjo mains. I swear, some of the worst tweets I've ever seen in my life are usually made by someone with a banjo pfp.
the sonic one has to win surely
Man can we have one thing not be despised in the Pokémon community here? :,( I personally love everything Pokemon makes, that just makes me a dime a dozen though
no, im a pokemon fan. and im happy. but in terms of pokemon, im only happy when im playing gen 5.
I swear you and Nick are the most charming duo
I will say that the xenoblade community as a whole isn't that bad. Or rather I guess I should say that we're split in to 2 sub-communities. It's a little hard to judge the community as whole since there is that split.
Xenoblade 1 fans will fight tooth and nail defending it as if it were the greatest game ever made. Which it's not. Don't get me wrong, great game, great story, but it's not that good.
Xenoblade 2 fans will acknowledge that the game is super flawed. You point out a problem with the game, and we'll answer "yeah we know, we like the game anyways."
I want to clarify that it isn't that the community is entirely split. It's just that we get along fine, but most people do have a preference towards one game or the other.
As for xenoblade 3. I'll admit that I'm not too sure. I think we all like the game and find it enjoyable with not a whole lot of us deciding on it being our favorite of the 3.
And Xenoblade X. I keep on forgetting that it exists, and I'm not really sure why it's considered a main line game by some people.
Wait Xenoblade has a bit of a toxic community? I've played Xenoblade 1 through 3 and love them, guess I just didn't know how the community is.
Zelda's community is generally pretty positive, but things def get heated over what the "best" game and "worst" game is. There are plenty who will call Zelda 2 the worst, and plenty who will defend it to the death. And there's plenty that will fight over Ocarina of Time vs. Wind Waker for best game.
I was expecting this to be a tier list, but having it be a March Madness style bracket was a clever way of spicing up the content. Epic job, Mr. Dong Man! 😎🆒
The Fire Emblem fandom is… strange.
That fandom is garbage and very divided on who you like with the games nowadays being more about waifus than actual story. Hell I would recommend Persona 5 Tactica over any Fire Emblem Game if you didn't want to interact with a worse community.
Regarding the Minecraft Mob Vote, People were just disappointed that they had to choose between one of three mobs, when Mojang clearly has the money to add all three. I'm personally disappointed that the Penguin didn't get added, but I'm not on the internet enough to care about which mob gets added. (They were all pretty useless.)
Also, I'm an Arms Fan. I don't know if there's a community, I just like Arms, and hope it'll get a sequel.
Wario showed me how to dodge paying taxes so that’s pretty wholesome
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Ltg: hey man, ggs! Love yourself and take a deep breath of the oxygen in that ozone layer 😊😊😊
I fully agree with your final choice but I just want to say something *spoilers below*
Minecraft can be fun and have very creative people and mods, but trust me you're going to have to dig slightly deep past all of the sweaty tryhards that haven't seen the sun in eight years, not to mention all of the other drama with the game and some of the people there (you know exactly what I'm talking about)
a lot of the game can be very fun especially with creative mods and with certain youtubers, but I'll still say you've made the right decision
(Edit: forgot about the mob vote; it sucks because why are we only allowed to make one decision that splits the community often violently when you can just add all 3)
there's a final fantasy mmo so yea it's kinda not even a question especially compared to pikmin
All I know is Wario Sweep
I'm mostly indifferent about most community opinions I happen to know about but Pokémon is another breed, I just get whammied if I don't know what a specific Pokedex entry is for that one specific mon
Man, minecraft back in the day I'd argue was one of the most wholesome communities out there. We'd watch Stampy, IBallisticSquid, and DanTDM and there were so many talented people out there making animations and other super awesome stuff.
Boy did things change...
As a Kirby fan, the powerscalers are an issue. Otherwise, all of it's great. We eatin' good.
Dude, I love Kingdom Hearts, but I’ve already got like 5 hours on that game and haven’t even reached Cloud, so…
As a Zelda fan, I can say with confidence… You either find a SINGLE wholesome community or you drown in toxicity.
[Insert mad comment about favorite franchise being "insulted"]
I saw the final fantasy vs pikmin and the first thing that came to mind for points against ff was the final fantasy house.... obviously an outlier but still it uh... was definitely a thing that happened
Already knew that Final Fantasy is definitely worse
The splatoon fanbase isn't toxic were just nerds
For the Final Fantasy and Pikmin, Final Fantasy all the way. While 7 is the most popular game in the series, there’s plenty of toxicity. For example, there was a Cloud x Tifa shipper on Twitter that made a hate speech towards the game’s writer. Another part known for the fandom is how people are thirsty for the characters, especially the Italian senate incident
EDM, my BELOVED ❤️❤️❤️
Minecraft vote = influence youtubers
Surprised they didn’t mention the r34 when talking about the Xenoblade community
as soon someone whos active on persona twitter i can very much confirm that the persona communities is one of the worst i’ve ever been apart of
better than the smash community but it’s still cheeks
Yeah i love edm's vids ngl
I have never been more roasted by being a splatoon fan😂
As a 25 year old who grew up on Minecraft videos I have to say, the oldtime Minecraft CZcamsrs and the newer people they play with make up a really wholesome community! that I still like to watch :)
By the way
Have you ever looked into getting a decent microphone? I feel like good audio is maybe even more valuable than having a good camera. If you're going for a different "aesthetic" to your channel, that's understandable too. Though your videos are edited too spicy for me to think that.
I only noticed your microphone at the beginning of the video though, it didnt really bother me after that
I really liked the last 2 videos by the way!
Fun concepts.
nick is speaking facts about the persona fanbase 😭
I represent megaman
As a person who enjoys splatoon, I 100% agree with EDM about splatoon music 😂 Literally the only song I want playing in my battles is splattack every other song I dont care for
In smash bros ultimate that’s the only splatoon song l play. I agree with your opinion
7:22 You can say the same thing for Metal Gear my guy. It might even be worse. KH fandom is definitely full of a bunch of whiny babies though so I think this is fair, but not because of the lore. Nomura and Kojima are different breeds of storytellers bruh.
I was thinking this exact same thing. I know KH is memed on because of how complicated its story is, but MG is just in a league of its own
To get an exact answer for sonic vrs Minecraft the amount of research you'd have to do is gonna drive you insane if you didn't already go insane with what these people are doing
As a Earthbound fan, I don't mind the community at all mainly cuz from my experience it's just a whole lotta chill people. I love alot of other games like Persona 5 and Minecraft but you won't catch me saying the same about those communities lmao they wildin. When it comes to Earthbound, all we got is just the extreme want for Mother 3 to be localized and that most recent direct showcase we had didn't help at all I feel that shit just fueled the fire lmao (I never saw anyone mention this but after that direct showcase where they cucked us from Mother 3, they added Earthbound Beginnings and Earthbound profile icons to the switch for the US peeps. That had me laughing hard, just more salt on the wound 😭😭)
Did you know they also released mother 3 icons but only in Japan?
@@decknightlmao Honestly i don't doubt that, that checks out lmao stuff like this is what makes people pirate their games and stuff and they wonder why we do it lol
As someone who's in the Kirby community (shocking, I know), I would absolutely agree that Animal Crossing is much more toxic (as someone who also used to be in the Animal Crossing community)
There is only 1 good splatoon song, and that's fly octo fly, not for the lyrics, but the beat is fire
The further your series is in this bracket, the less Nintendo should appeal to those fans. Figures FE got off the hook again, but at least they still have good fighter potential picks if they aren't gonna go all echo fighter and predictable new game main protagonist happy mode. As for some of the series much higher up I do like... yeah I understand lol
I think the Sonic community is the most like, ehh idk like, I guess I could say the “worse” out of all the franchises that are in smash, they always gotta be like “since Sonic is super fast, he is the strongest video game character!”🤓 Like do they know any other video game characters except characters from Sonic? They always gotta say something when someone says something bad about their franchise.
Man his so so good
The “Persona fans vs Persona 5 fans” is so real because it’s literally the same thing with Fire Emblem fans and Fire Emblem Three Houses fans.
Never seen a group of fans be so obsessive as much as the FE3H and that includes the infamous FE elitists. One example includes those fans were eagerly hoping Engage (an anniversary game meant to celebrate the series as a whole) would tank thinking it could mean more games in Fodlan like 3H prequels and sequels.
Once you play pokemon competitively then your view changes 100%, people competitively are so toxic.
Isn't every competative game