Review: Rowin Twin Looper (and why I chose it)
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- čas přidán 23. 08. 2024
- A review of the Rowin Twin Looper, and a long talk about how and why I chose it and what looper pedal I had before.
As always, much better if listened to through decent headphones or speakers
(I talk for literally 12 minutes about this and other pedals, so for sounds and pedal in action, jump to 12 minute mark ....but please do watch the whole thing as I honestly feel the journey as to why this pedal was chosen is as important as the pedal itself.)
A recent piece that makes heavy use of this pedal using the techniques shown in the video:
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Have you had experience with this looper? What about another looper that has similarly interesting features? Especially something on the cheaper side. I'd love to hear about it below!
Any other questions or comments? Go ahead!
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I got this pedal because of your video. I love looper pedals. I make a lot of post rock/ ambient music, so looper/reverb/delay are essential . This pedals reverse mode and speed control make it an absolute buy. Loop something and mess with the speed and you’ll find amazing sounds that will inspire .
Thank you! Glad I could help!
Yep, this pedal might be cheap and often overlooked, but the reverse and time speed up/slow down features are awesome. Perfect for ambient, post rock, shoe gaze and drone kind of stuff.
Thanks again!
The most dramatic and melancholic review I've ever seen 😅
Thank you! I think this is a compliment! That's how I take it anyway. What can I say? There are some pieces of gear that do that to me.
Plenty more long-winded and melancholic gear reviews and music on my channel here so hopefully you can check some more of it out. Cheers!
Good description of the function of the switches and controls. Thanks for that!
No problem! Glad you enjoyed! It's a cheap looper, but it has some really nice features not seen on a whole lot of other loopers. This video is from a little while ago but I still never found the need to get a different looper. Still works great!
@@thedigitallost I just bought it last week and am just getting ready to dive into it but wanted some basics first. Reading the manual is hard to make practical sense of it for me so your video helped a lot. I appreciate you taking time to post it.
Yeah the manuals on some of those budget pedals aren't great. To be blunt, it's usually a very broken English which (saying this personally as an English speaker) can be difficult. Though to be fair, their English is a lot better than my Chinese, so all good I guess! Either way, glad I could help.
I went ahead and bought one. Very happy with it. (Here in The Netherlands they are sold under the brand name "Fame".).
Good to hear! Yeah, I found this exact same looper probably under easily six or seven different brand names! I say just go with the cheapest one you can find. I hope you like it!
@@thedigitallost LOL, yeah I found 4 names so far :) Fame, Rowin, VSN and Donner DeLuxe ^___^
Very nice and comprehensive point of view. I dig the ambient sounds man! I'm like you and looking for the right looper without breaking the bank. I love the fact that the 2nd button acts as a stop... genius!
Hey man, thanks for watching! Yeah, it's a great looper. If you check out some of my more recent videos you'll see I actually bought a second one. Double the loops! Thanks again!
Can you tell me... So let's say I want to plug in two instruments, but only use one output... Do both instruments and their subsequent loops go into the single output that is connected?
Hello there. No, I don’t believe so. I think each input stays connected to the associated output rather than summing them to mono.
great video. the thing that always makes me nervous about these budget brand pedals is their build quality. hate to have a pedal die during a show.
Thank you! This is one of my first videos and I'm happy to say that the looper is still working great. Of course, I use it up on a desk with synthesizers so I'm not stomping on it with my foot, so that might help with a bit of longevity. But at the end of the day I use it still and it still works great and I'm still very happy with it. Thanks again!
Mine was dead on arrival 😢 At least I got a refund.
Haha, pretty funny story man. I am researching for a looper pedal as well and it has brought me here. Subscribed as I enjoyed your music and honesty.
Great! Thank you, I appreciate it! If you have any questions about the looper or any of my music go ahead. I love talking about this stuff. I have plenty of other cheap gear reviews on my channel. Thanks again!
Thanks for your review mate, a slow paced description and background story about the product choice is hard to find these days! I think I might give this pedal a go! Subscribed! 😊
Hello, and thank you!
I have the Donner version lol. Used to use a DL4 and it kinda annoyed me that i had a pedal with 10 delays that i never used and the 'twin' looper has all the features i want and it was the price of a boost pedal or something. I am debating buying two more just so when it inevitably blows up I can have another. Good review! 👍
Ha! Yeah, I actually have 2! I got the 2nd when I was doing more live, hardware based stuff and wanted multiple loops going backwards, forwards and/or at different speeds. I also had the concern that mine would stop working and I wanted a back up! Both are still going strong!
I still don't understand why it's so difficult to find a looper pedal that can do the combination of backwards/forwards, multiple speeds rather than just half speed, have completely separate stereo inputs and outputs, and have separate record and stop switches.
Ah well.
Thanks for watching!
That reverse and slowdown sold it for me! Good honest and insightful vid ☺ thank you
Thank you! I really appreciate that!
It really is a strange and cool pedal. I've never experienced a slowdown and reverse on a.pedal like this one. It's a really nice sound.
Thanks again!
@@thedigitallostcan it.slowdown without changing pitch?
I have a Lekato looper which is a good looper and the one I started on. I then went to extremes and got the Boss RC300. If you want to record multiple tracks or perhaps separate loops for verse, chorus, bridge then it’s brilliant. For the most part I only need one track but still found myself using the Boss beast simply because I could turn the loop off with a single click. (I hope my use of the word click doesn’t bring back too many unpleasant memories) Your video has helped me decide that I will get the Rowin. Thank you for your review.
I have a Digitech JamMan Stereo looper that is the bigger version of the same looper you didn't like, and has the same issues you didn't like. It also has a reverse feature; a thing you did like, and I like that too. It does not have a way to adjust the tempo (not really a priority for me) or anything to do with effects. The built-in rhythm machine? Ugh. I never turn the volume up. I could safely pry the volume knob off, cut off the stem, and weld a piece of metal over the hole where the knob was.
Now, the clicky pedal: most of the time the sound of tapping the loop/play/stop pedal doesn't bother me, because most of the time I record loops from keyboards or guitar without a microphone, so the looper doesn't capture the click sound. But once in a while, I want to loop something acoustic and use a mic, so I did a simple modification. I cut some thin bits of 1/2" diameter foam pipe insulation to make little pads that go over the stomp buttons and soften the click sound. It took some trial and error to get these bits of insulation thick enough to damp the click, but not so thick that they make the stomp buttons hard to click.
Anyway, I'm looking at other loopers again because I made a major mistake: I watched Reggie Watts do live looping, and he's SO GOOD. Reggie uses a looper with multiple channels. It lets him create arrangements by making loops that can be faded in and out, and mixed (live) in different ways. He often only uses his voice to make entire pieces. Of course, Reggie Watts has an amazing voice, and a nice Nord keyboard for backup in case he gets a sore throat or something.
Loopers with multiple loop channels are few and expensive, but I know that's what I want from my next looper.
Um, and a nice Nord keyboard, and a four-octave vocal range, and great hair.
Until then, at least I have my sense of humor.
Hey thanks for this. I also have the digitech model you have.
It's still in box.and haven't used it. I'm thinking of selling it and buying the one this guy is using.
Are you able to record additional loops at normal pitch after altering the speed or switching to reverse? This would be a useful feature if possible. My ehx 16 second delay does this.
Edit: unfortunately the answer is no.
You spent 13min talking about the long road that brought you to this looper and then when you get into it I have to read text ?
😂
Nice review with cool sounds. You seem to have a very realistic (Radio Shack pun intended) approach. I like to view my budget limitations as a creative component as well. I just triggered for the Donner Deluxe Looper which is similar to the Rowin Twin Looper. The "Change" setting on the left hand switch inverts the Left and Right channels which can be useful for effect chains or dual amp situations.
Hi there. Thanks for watching and commenting! I believe the Donner deluxe looper is identical to this Rowin looper, so anything I have shown in this video should work the same. I just went with the Rowin as it was cheaper at the time. I actually ended up buying a second one! I legit love this looper and use it all the time now. Hopefully, you'll enjoy your donner just as much. Cheers!
I have 5 Digitech JamMan Solos. They're the best in my opinion. One needs to really know how to use them properly. They can loop for 10 minutes as to where most loopers will only record up to one or two minutes.
I also like that I can save my loops. 198 of them!
Thank you for this! Great Review! Im buying one!👍🏻😊
Thank you! Glad I could help!
I have the boss 300 one, and it’s great, but it’s like having a second pedal board. I only paid $10 for the twin looper, so I’m sure I can use it. Reverse is fun, even on my digitech xp 300!
Yeah, for sure, for a cheap pedal it’s all about having fun and making some weird sounds. I think people are overthinking this pedal a little bit! Loop sounds, mess them up. Totally worth it!
Most Definitely, can’t wait to watch your other videos! Keep it up.
Thanks for this demo. The speed knob is insane. Why not start with slowest speed to the left, normal at dead center, and faster to the right? It just makes no sense as it is now.
Hello there. Thank you for watching!
I would agree with you on the positioning of the knob. I guess it just gets down to it being made pretty cheaply and probably not a whole lot of thought went into the design. You can actually start recording with the knob in the center position and you would still get the same effect. But yes, it would have made sense to design it that way in the first place.
Now, what I would really love to see is a looper with a speed control that is smooth rather than stepped. This looper, as shown in the video, has a stepped speed control, but to have something that's would operate smoothly would be magical. Kind of like slowing down or speeding up a good old-fashioned cassette as some recorders would allow you to. Or even the sound of slowing down as the battery slowly died. Apparently that would take a lot of processing power though. I know the Tensor from Red Panda has a smooth speed control, but it's only 4.8 seconds of looping. So it's more for accents and minor effects. I would still love to have one of those though. That thing looks amazing. If you or anyone else knows of a full function looper that has a smooth speed control, let me know!
Thanks again for watching!
@@thedigitallost Hey Man! Great review. I had this same desire for a long time - a looper with a speed control that changes smoothly. I discovered then the EHX 1440 stereo looper. It's pretty expensive, but it does that and has a long time of looping. I think you will like it. Thanks for the review, it helped me on the decision of buying one twin looper.
@@elisiofreitas4160 I did not know that looper did that! Thanks for letting me know, I'll check it out.
@The Digital Lost
EHX Memory Man w/Hazarai does all this looping, with the smooth speed control and reverse loop.
It also has delay and/or reverb, with a tone knob for the effect (it also does the Sun Records famous slapback "reverb on the repeat only, not the original signal" thing). It has a beautiful tape flange tone I've never heard another pedal do (sweep from "normal" to deep flange and back to "normal", so it sounds like someone accidentally leaned on your reel to reel (or the acid is kicking in)). It has backwards delay (mix out the original and sound like your from Mars). At any point during these effects, you can switch the white knob (with your foot, notice where it's located) to loop mode and absolutely create scenery. Then go back switch effects and play over it or add into more loops. That pedal is awesome! Unfortunately, I had to sell it to buy food lol. I'm starting to gather up gear again, and this looper is on my list (I always pictured an extra looper, and thought 2 EHXs would be over the top ($). Thanks for the vid!
So when you adjust the speed it changes the pitch? Thanks for the review
Yeah, the pitch changes with the speed.
Great review! Thanks.
Thanks for watching! Hopefully it helped. Honestly, I'm thinking of getting another so I can just have loops all over! Cheers!
Excellent review!
Thank you!
I just scored one of these on ebay for 40USD. Cant wait to check it out. (Guitar player)
Nice! And excellent price! Even at full price it's a great looper. Thanks for watching and do great things when that looper comes!
Just won one on eBay for 40$ also, lol. Since this was 10 months ago on your response to this video and how do you like this pedal and did you try 2 guitars at the same time and how did you like it. I'm wondering if I could use my Gretsch and Telecaster at the same time for looping.
Great video, better than the manual for sure! One thing I cannot find about this pedal.
Will this looper playback overdubs with the 'Speed' effect enabled?
Or does it playback the latest overdub track at normal (real-time) speed?
In other words, would it be possible to:
(1) Record a guitar as a loop
(2) Enable the 'Speed' effect (to make the loop slower and sound like a bass guitar)
(3) Record an overdub on guitar (while the 'Speed' effect is active)
(4) Have the looper playback the 'bass guitar' and real-time guitar combined.
Yep! If I understand you correctly, this is exactly how it works. When a speed altered loop is playing back, the pedal will just record what it hears when recording overdubs. It doesn’t care where that speed dial is, it just records what it hears. Things might get a little bit out of control if you did a whole lot of overdubs with the speed control in different positions, but I guess that’s the fun of this really cool but kind of strange pedal!
Hopefully all of this makes some sense.
Thanks for watching and thanks for your kind words! Cheers.
Thanks for the video, really nice one. I have a question, Have you ever tried ditto x2? If yes, how do you think the comparison? Thank you :)
No problem! No, I’ve never tried the ditto x2, but it’s extremely popular. I would assume the X2 has a better build and sound quality, but I like this rowin looper for the other features, like the speed control and reverse, and the stereo inputs and outputs.
You should have a time mark, where you start talking about the rowin twin looper (and why you chose it)
Anyone know who is the current manufacturer/owner of this product? Is it VSN? Which version should I buy to make sure I can get the latest version of any software that comes/works with it (think for the USB file transfer -- maybe does not matter?)
I don’t know for sure, but I’d assume that it doesn’t matter. If the appearance and features are the same, chances are it’s exactly the same pedal. These budget companies don’t really put any effort into researching and developing their products. If there is a hardware or software issue in one brand I’d imagine it’s present in all versions of the pedal.
I mean, that’s totally fine by me. They work well and they are very cheap.
Can I save many loops as different patches? How many patches can I store?
While the overdubs are infinite, the actual loops you can store are limited to one per channel; each channel can be recorded individually. So, basically, 2 different loops.
Sounds wonderful.. the sounds you produced sounded like a movie soundtrack 👌
Thank you so much! Yeah, the uncommon controls on this looper really help create those ambient swells, and I love making that kind of music. So I really appreciate your comment!
Bought the same looper, for very similar reasons. I could have afforded more expensive. The pedal is truly bang for the buck. I'm very impressed, my only criticism being the thinness. Where I want it on my pedal board, I need to make a riser, so its easier to access. That's on me.
Thanks for watching!
If you have a pedaltrain, you can use the pedaltrain booster. Hope this helps.✌️
@@Mr_A_Mia Thanks. Appreciate the tip. I will look into those.
@@Mr_A_Mia hey here's my cheap fix that worked for cheapo me. I found some taller than usual aluminum pedal toppers. App. $2.30 can. Fixed, thanks again for the suggestion about the Pedaltrain risers though.
@@peterwestcott749 👏🏾Np. Great choice!
Thanks for the video. Was waiting for the chase bliss blooper, but I’m out of money so I might get this today to start doing staff and calm my GAS.
So audio quality ok?
Can you say something about connecting una out straight to the reverb and the other going thru the delay?
No problem! Thanks for watching!
Clearly it's on a different level from the Blooper, but it's still a cool pedal.
Regarding plugging it in through effects pedals, it's much like any guitar, synth or any instrument or sound source; play it through and the effect will do its thing. Simple! A best practice, though, is to do any effects after the looper, that way you still have the clean signal. Effects before the looper will imprint that effect on the loop. Make sense?
Edit: I forgot to mention, but the audio quality is fine and good. 24 bit? Either way, I notice no degradation in sound quality.
@@thedigitallost yup. but $500 is also a different budget. loved your music btw. keep it up.
Thanks again!
Will not work for me at all. I tried to contact customer service with no replies. I was hoping your video would help. Sadly, it did not. eBay did get my money back. I now have a nice box and a none working looper that's a paper weight.
Well damn, that sucks. At least eBay got you your money back. That's one of the sad things with buying budget gear. Usually there's very little quality control and the company itself might be impossible to get a hold of. Rowin is probably just a very small branch off of an enormous Chinese company. Good luck with any future looper purchases you make, especially if you give this one another go.
It's also a good lesson for others; to buy this kind of thing from a big company like eBay or Amazon. Someone who will have a pretty robust money back and return policy, because tech help and warranty support direct from a company like this is probably not existent.
As you learned.
Again though, sorry to hear about your looper, but glad to hear that eBay got you a refund.
Cheers.
Can I export and store multiple files at once? Like if I need 2 backing tracks for a show, how will I do it?
So, apparently loops can be saved externally, but it's nothing I have ever done myself. There is a micro USB port on the back and it comes with a micro USB cable. Honestly, I'm not sure in what format it saves loops or how quickly it'd be to load them back onto the looper. Sorry!
Wondering if you can overdub on pitched or reversed loops? Would be cool to mix tempos/pitches and such. Otherwise great review. Thanks in advance!
Yes you can! But understand that’s an easy way to get everything kind of messed up.
Well actually, you can do it with the pitch but I don’t believe doing that with the reverse function would work. Reverse just puts the whole collection of loops and overdubs into reverse. It’s more of a global function. But changing pitches/playback speed is easy between overdubs and it’s something that I’ve done. You’d probably have to keep the careful watch to make sure things don’t get too out of control!
Also, bear in mind that, according to quite a few comments for this video, some of the recent models of this pedal seem to have some digital noise clipping. Maybe it’s just an issue with the input volume or maybe there are some quality control issues. Either way, this video is a couple of years old and my pedal is not exhibiting any of these problems. Maybe it’s a luck of the draw thing.
amazing cinematic piano! pedal still work, didnt break?
Thank you! Still works too! Admittedly, I’m not that rough with it and I never stomp on it with my foot, but everything works fine.
I have the same looper but I rarely use it coz for some reason it tends to steal some tone
Yeah, I can believe that. I have not really had that problem with mine, but I can absolutely understand that it would be a thing. One of the main problems with really budget gear is the quality control sucks. One batch might be perfect, the next batch might just be completely off. It's a bit of a gamble really and that sometimes isn't fun.
man i got this struggle, i can find a waty in which the loop have the effect along the time it has recorered, while i add others effects that doesnt affect the frist loop.
Im sorry if i didnt talk clear, but its the only way i know how jaja, i hope you understand my doubt in order for me to receive a proper answer,
thanks in advance.
Are you talking about external effects like using effects pedals?
If so, using effects pedals before or after the looper will effect things differently. Like, if you have effects pedals BEFORE the looper those effects will be locked to the loop. If you have effects pedals AFTER a looper. That way you have a clean loop that can be altered with pedals any way you wish.
Sometimes, if I want different effects on the different parts of the one loop I will use the different left and right inputs outputs and do it that way. They are independent channels but still locked into the original loops timing. I actually have two of these same loopers now so I can affect things differently.
Does this make sense? Am I even going in the correct direction? I hope so! Feel free to follow up with other details or even in a different language. I'll try and work it out with you. Cheers!
@@thedigitallost yeah that is what i wanted to know. Thank you very much for the quickly answer
Glad I could help! Feel free to ask any other questions any time.
I see the same pedal under like a million different brand names. Is it just the same thing?
Yeah, pretty much! There are a bunch of pedals on Amazon that all share the same body and insides, they just change the company logo and there you go.
But yes, if you want this pedal but don’t see the Rowin, just get any of the identical looking ones and they work exactly the same. Cheers.
I have one almost for 4 years now and i really love it, the only thing i hate is every year or two i have broke the stomp switch hahah so my local pedal tech is always helping me with that.
Is this a copy of a better hardware pedal? I think i would just buy another looper if it were the original version of this one with better components
I’ve never seen a looper with these same features. It seems a bit unique. And I agree. A pedal with these controls but with better components and build quality would be great.
@@thedigitallost yes, that's why i have a love hate relationship with it hahaha I've read that the TC Electronics Ditto X2/x4 are the inspiration for this pedal, but not quite sure !
I got this pedal based on your video! I love it. HOWEVER... how do I record a loop, then click a button and continue recording / stacking on the loop? Like if I'm trying to make a droning note or a held chord - right now, I've got to fade in/fade out the chord, end loop record, then record AGAIN to start layering... or else there's that sudden stop of noise when I clicked the button. I hope this makes sense.
I think I understand what you’re saying. Like, when the loop ends and starts again there’s a noticeable click or attack sound? So it doesn’t stay smooth like a long drone?
What I do is record the drone that I want and then start another loop towards the end of the original loop. I then let that record through the start point of the original loop. If that makes any sense.
If you’re getting excessive clicking noises at the start of the loop then I would maybe look at the input volume level. If you’re still getting excessive click sounds then maybe you have a faulty looper.
This video is a couple of years old now, but I still use mine and it works great. Unfortunately with some of these budget pedals the quality control and consistency is a little off. Some people like me get lucky and have them work perfectly, but sadly, some people seem to have problems. A few people have left comments for this video saying similar things, like their pedal is not working as they expected or they were getting excessive noises and strange functions. I’m not saying you’re having a problem with yours, but it’s something to consider.
Just to confirm, I’m not really having a problem as you describe with my looper. Again, I hope this makes some sense.
@@thedigitallost The only thing I wasn't happy about was the tendency to distort loops if you add too much (or maybe too loud). Regarding the loop droning problem - I'll keep poking around.
@@beaubidness6622 oh yeah, OK then. I have heard, in the comments for this video and elsewhere, of some people having that issue. Luckily for me, I’ve never encountered it. Sorry I couldn’t of been more help! Hopefully it gets sorted because when it works it’s a really nice piece of gear.
HAD ONE A COUPLE OF YEARS BUT NONE OF MY MANY PCS/LAPTOPS RECOGNISE THE PEDAL VIA USB. ROWIN HAVE NEVER REPLIED.
I have to be honest, I'd never even tried connecting it to my laptop! I'm not surprised Rowin didn't reply. After market support for these budget pedals is non-existent. That's why they're so cheap!
Thanks !
No problem! Glad I could help.
Mine just arrived and rather than mono-stereo labels it has left-right. Is it still the same internals/routing?
Difficult to say for sure without trying it myself, but it SHOULD be the same.
its sold for $100 where I live. Is it worth it?
Did you know they have your video featured on some Ali shop account that sells these, Keytars music store or something like that. I sure hope they pay you a little something for using your video.
Oh! I had no idea! Very interesting though, and a little strange. Thanks for telling me!
I have a digitech stero looper( the big one) still in box. Im thinking of sellingnit any buying this
Nice review. I haven't picked up if you can still overdub when it's in reverse mode though. Anyone know?
Yes! I certainly can anyway. Remember though, that if you record something over a reversing loop, when you play it back and then un-reverse it, then that new loop will be reversed! It can get some pretty strange results, it really is a great experiment pedal.
How much time that this looper give you to run a loop?
the ehx 720 is free of stupid, square-ass beats. I have one & I love it. I passed up a chance to get the 22500 because of those stupid rhythms. I can't get with that either. I had the 45000. it was great, but I got greedy & wanted different length loops for polymeter, so... I sold it. I wish I still had that thing though. but now I want this little thingy.
Seriously, why do these companies include these terrible drum beat patterns? They are all so cringy! The EHX stuff does look nice. I have a bunch of their other pedals. Not sure why I never really tried their loopers. I should give them a go some day. This video is a couple of years old now but I still use this looper. Still working well, and has not fallen apart.
This seems like a great purchase. Are you still happy with it? Do you still use it?
Honestly, I still like it, but I'm just not doing a whole lot of looping these days.
In saying that, I still think it's an absolute steal of a pedal. With how I like to do things, I just love that combination of multiple speeds rather than just half speed (like many loopers have), having the reverse, and also having a separate stop and start switch. I see loopers at 2 or 3 times the price that don't do half of what this thing does.
And that price!
I mean, of course it doesn't have that rock solid build quality of a Boss pedal for instance, but for the price I have no major concerns.
It does all the conventional looping stuff, but really that combination of different speeds and reverse does the ambient thing I do in the video so well. I do not own any other looper, never really found the need or desire to replace this one, and I'm more than happy to use this on the occasions that I do want to do some looping.
@@thedigitallost Thank you very much for your detailed reply! Yeah, I'm thinking that for the price, this really has some unmatched features. It's a bit of a long story but I'm looking to potentially unload my current looper (the Digitech Jamman - first generation). It's actually a really good looper but I don't even come close to using all its features/functionality.
I think I'd actually be fine with a much simpler (and smaller) interface and have it take up less space on a pedal board too. I also want to buy an inexpensive delay too and buy selling the Jamman, I should be able to afford both.
Yeah, I had a Jamman and wasn't a fan.
I'm not sure what delay you might want, but for all my talking up of this Rowin looper, they released a delay in the same form factor and it was terrible. Super noisy, barely usable algorithms. Maybe I got a dud unit, but I returned it and was put off trying again.
I do have some reviews of super cheap delays here on my channel. All of them a bit bizarre and extremely cheap. None of them I'd use regularly or seriously. I've used a load of delays, but I always come back to the Electro-Harmonix Canyon. It's not too expensive, and it just has some mojo that I love.
@@thedigitallost The thing that started me off on my research was actually the Grand Canyon by EHX because it's delay and looper in one :-) But then I started seeing these cheaper pedals and thinking that they sounded really good.
The delays I was looking at are the AZOR analog delay or the same pedal with the Mimi brand. Have you seen those? They sounded really good in demos here on youtube.
I'm not immediately familiar with that pedal but I'll definitely look it up. I love random cheap gear!
I've been looking at the Grand Canyon Delay, just as a bit of an upgrade from my current pedal. But there is one single thing holding me back and it's a purely functional reason: the delay time knob on the regular Canyon is very sensitive, even just breathing on it seems to make it change and the knobs are quite close together. I'm always just brushing past it and changing the delay time. Now, I got my hands on a Grand Canyon at a local music store a little while ago and the knobs on that one were even smaller and closer! I'm not writing it off yet, but it has made me think twice.
That might seem a little bit pedantic, but I really love playing with knobs as things are playing out and nudging the time delay knob on the regular Canyon is really frustrating. I just fear that I might be doing it even more with the Grand Canyon. So, I still have the regular Canyon and will probably just happily keep using that until I see something I like more or decide that I can live with the close knobs on the Grand Canyon. I do love all those algorithms and love Electro-Harmonix pedals.
How has the pedal held up? Any issues?
Nope! Nothing yet! I even ended up getting a second one. I run them both, playing back loops at different speeds. Of course, mileage may vary with some cheaper Chinese pedals, but this one has been solid so far. Still very happy. Thanks for watching!
Hi, I use the JamMan Solo Xt, I might be wrong as I only use it to record one loop as in a backing track, but
when you set up the initial loop for auto recording, you can switch the rhythm track off, you just push the down
button and set it to 0. Thanks for this review, I will probably get one of these pedals, cheers
Yeah the jamman solo stuff has a lot of fans. You can even just turn the volume down on the rhythm track if I remember correctly. Again, it really is just me, but just knowing that stupid damn drum track was going along in the background seriously drove me nuts. And it might have been my pedal but there was a definite clicking sound when I hit the foot switch. I wanted to like it but I just couldn't. The Rowin twin looper has a couple of quality issues here and there, but it's strange and different enough to make it appealing. I ended up getting a second one and running four loops at once in different directions and speeds. It can get kind of psychedelic. Thanks for watching!
i'm having nothing but trouble with mine. digital clipping. goes out of control. same pedal, but w/ VSN brand. says left in/right out etc. instead of mono/stereo. having them send me a replacement. amazon. looks and sounds great...until the clipping starts...
Another question: why is it called twin? Does it has two channels? How do you change between em
I think the twin refers to the 2 channels. The 2 channels are, basically, 2 separate left/right channels that can be recorded, or looped, independently. Both loops play back at the same time, but each has its own volume control. Independent playback can be controlled that way.
To record the loops separately, just have your guitar/synth plugged into the left channel, save your loop, unplug from the left channel and then plug into the right channel and the already recorded left channel loop will not be affected. Each left/right channel has its own separate output too. So, for example, if there is nothing pugged into the right output, the right output will not be heard.
I hope this makes sense! Feel free to ask any further questions if you need to. Cheers!
@@thedigitallost great thx!! very helpfull
Very gooooooood
Thanks for watching! Hopefully you could have a look at some of my other videos! Cheers!
Yassss, I have watched them all!
this is cool i have time maker looper it dose this and more
Can't you select the 'next loop' using the left swift in the top position and then tap the left pedal switch?
Nevermind, it changes the channel output apparently? The manual is a bit poorly written, but following the diagram, there's no true second looper track or rather no loop selection.
Yeah, the only way to really have 2 loops is to "record" them on the separate left and right channels. Each loop will be tied to each other's length, but they're still technically separate. If that makes sense.
You can save loops via the micro USB connection on the back to a laptop, but that is nothing I've ever done, nor can I see that being helpful in any way for a performance.
The lack of loop storage is the only real downside of this pedal, as far as I'm concerned anyway. Oh, as well as the shitty manual as you so correctly brought up.
@@thedigitallost Ahh thanks for clearing that one up. So it does have a second track. But it's basically still only one loop. Got it!
Basically. The left channel records separately from the right and can play back with its own volume. So, kinda 2 loops, but kinda still only 1. It's more of a cheat or work around rather than a feature, but it generally works.
Are the inputs and outputs reversible???
There is a switch that says "change" at the top. If you put the switch to that change position, it will change which input goes to which output. For example, the regular setting is input one to output one and input two to output two. But you can change it to input one to output two and input two to output one with that change switch.
The "reverse" switch refers to the direction that the loop itself plays in. If you flick to reverse, whatever loop you have saved up starts going in reverse! And it sounds great too.
@@thedigitallost Thanks for the info man
Could you connect a keyboard /piano..! Please someone anwer. Give me sugestion on keyboards that would work. And how do i connect the keyboard and a acoustic guitar Just a exampel. So i can loop both or one of then!!
Yes you can connect pretty much any electric keyboard or synthesizer! This video only demonstrates keyboard instruments. Just connect the keyboard's output to the looper with a regular instrument cable. Being a guitar pedal, this pedal uses quarter inch guitar cables and most, not all, but most keyboards and synthesizers use quarter out jacks as well. Some keyboards and synthesizers might use a 3.5 mm output, but there are special cables and adapters that are easily found to remedy that situation.
This information should cover just about every keyboard and synthesizer out there.
Connecting a guitar will be much the same. Just use a standard quarter inch guitar/instrument cable. If you are using an acoustic guitar that does not have a pickup, then you'll need to connect a microphone that also has a quarter inch plug at the end.
Hopefully this can help.
@@thedigitallost so i can buy a keyboard then if the Jack thing is correct i can just connect it directly into left or right channel inputs on the looper?
@@yousefyounan2618 Yes! Exactly that.
@@thedigitallost would that work on rc 5 looper and this twin looper? I asume it does :) btw thank you so much for the help. Ive Been reseaching for days now.
@@yousefyounan2618 Yes. The same theory should work with any looper that I'm aware of.
And no problem! I'm happy to help.
how much current needs this bad boy?
Hello there! The power draw of the Rowin Twin Looper pedal is typically around 100mA.
@@thedigitallost wow a, real jam Econo pedal right here. Good work.
Thank god you didnt loop your long but intestng story that begins a decade before buying haha
But i m holding on till the end.thanks man.Pip.play in peace twinbro.
What can I say? I get into something and just kinda keep talking! In all honesty tho, I think the reason for buying something, as well as ownership history and motivations, helps to explain why a reviewer might like or dislike something. Puts things into perspective. If that makes sense. Thanks for watching!
@@thedigitallost you're right thats why i kept watching.gr axl
Well I appreciate it! Hopefully you were able to check out some of my other videos. Cheers!
Hi. Is it true Stereo?
Yep. As in, it isn't just mono that comes out of both left and right outputs. Each left/right input is individual, each has it's own volume control and each has it's own output. What's nice, as well, is that you can record your first loop on, say, the left channel, then unplug from the left input, plug into the right input and record a completely different overdub on that right channel and fade them in and out with the individual volume controls. Effectively giving you 2 different loops at the same time that can be controlled independently. The only limitation is that the 2nd loop/overdub will be tied into the original loop's length, which is to be expected and doesn't bother me, personally, at all.
Thanks for watching!
What does the usb socket do and how to delete loop?
The USB socket on the back allows you to connect the looper to a laptop and save loops, or load previously saved loops back onto the pedal. I think you have to use a special app to do it. I've never actually done it myself.
If you wanted to delete a loop, you need to hold down the looper button while your loop is playing. If you have only recorded one layer with no overdubs, then the whole thing will be deleted. If you have overdubbed additional layers, holding down the looper button deletes each layer that you've added on one at a time. This is handy for if you have already saved quite a few overdubs but mess one up. You can delete the most recent one and do it again.
If there is no loop currently playing, then holding down the looper button deletes all loops and overdubs, no matter what.
@@thedigitallost and what about the change switch?
The change switch is a bit of a strange one. Essentially, it switches the inputs to outputs routing. Meaning, typically the left input goes to left output and right input goes to right output. The change part of the switch sends the left input to the right output and the right input to the left output. I'm not really sure why that would be needed. Maybe if you had two inputs but only one output?
I'm sure it's important to someone though. That's one of the good things about this pedal. They just give you so many strange options to sculpt your sound that a lot of other pedals just don't bother with.
@@thedigitallost ah okok I get it! Is it possible to switch to "change" while a loop is playing and record a new loop also??
Hhmmm, not sure off hand! I'm not near the pedal right now, nor do I have mine set up for stereo to try that.
I might be able to give it a go later.
I guess though, it might not change much anyway. After all, it only really effects what you're hearing at the left and right outputs.
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Ah yes, the dying "Walkman", wow we're old bro, LOL ! ! I just picked up one of these loopers and am surprised at the heft and build, the knobs are a bit small but it fit nicely on my travel board.
Hell yeah! The old dying Walkman... So many times was I on my way home on a tram/train/bus, knowing there were still 20 minutes left on my journey and hearing the gradual slowdown of my Walkman from the draining batteries just hoping that they'd last. So annoying then but almost oddly desirable as an effect now!
But yeah, I am surprised at how heavy this thing is. I mean, I wouldn't want to kick those knobs too hard, but in general it does seem way more solid than it has any right to be.
Thanks for watching!
Is it a true bypass pedal or not?
Apparently it is. I have no reason to doubt that as I noticed no loss of volume or tone playing through the pedal when it's not activated.
This pedal makes a digital peak sound when playing through, on or off. Low sound quality. Sad cuz other than that i like the pedal.
How do you mean? Like, a digital artifact sound at certain frequencies?
I like your waffeling.you waffel with heart
Thank you! I get passionate about small, strange things. What can I say? Cheers.
OMG... this was painfu.
thanks for wasting 20 minutes of my life
No problem!
This is the worst looper of all time.
Ha! Nah, there are worse! I like the features but honestly, these budget pedals can crap out very quickly, and I think I got extremely lucky in finding one that’s still going. I like it!
@@thedigitallost that’s cool man. I just used one of these live for a couple months but it just progressively got worse and worse until I finally tossed it.
awful
what