Eric-thanks for this video. This has answered a life long mystery I’ve had about the golf swing. I didn’t really realize it was shoulder rotation, but it was a feeling I had. But whenever I would try to internally rotate my trail shoulder, I’d try to keep my elbow in as well, and I could never figure out why I was crossing the line.....which also caused me to manipulate my downswing. So I’ve gone back and forth between the two....and never really understanding how to properly shallow the club...stumbling onto it from time to time, but never consistently. I’m certainly no Hogan yet, but I’ve learned more about the golf swing in the few months I’ve watched your stuff than I have in the previous 20 years. For those of you who don’t have a subscription to CogornoGolf, I HIGHLY recommend it. Really, really good.
Best video I have seen in a long time. When I was 25 years old I had shoulder surgery which basically left me with zero external rotation. I was able to grind out a swing for most of my youth and was a decent 8 handicap. Then circa 2007, at 47, I went to a one plane swing (Moe Norman) I played the one plane swing until recently when I realized at 60, I just don't have the strength anymore to generate enough clubhead speed. My 3/4 swing generates drives that are about 220 and my 7 iron carries about 135. The flying elbow is OK? Who knew? Going back to an internal rotation has given me the extra clubhead speed and therefore distance as long as I transition on the way down. I have been fighting my flying elbow most of my adult life. Thanks for the video and confirmation that I can continue with my internal rotation, and hopefully continue golfing into my 70's
Terrific depiction of internal and external rotation in the back swing and external rotation in the down swing. Understand these concepts much better now.
I think this video ties in well with your equal & opposites video. I have a tendency toward a flying right elbow. I know that's a destructive move if I don't externally rotate my shoulder - elbow complex. So, in order to make it easier on myself, I've been experimenting with taking the club back outside the target line. This seems to give me the momentum needed to make an external rotation. Like you, I'm built to internally rotate my shoulder, so, that makes external rotation something I need to work on. I'm glad you posted this video because it's good to know that somebody else has to work extra hard to turn their body. Useful video, Eric.
Another clear explanation. I externally rotate my shoulder on my back swing despite not having much mobility like you. My down swing is pretty much always "under plane". I had a lesson some time ago in which I specifically asked about shallowing the shaft - it seems to be a hot topic these days - and was told to forget about it! I didn't understand at the time (or since) why I was told that, but I think your explanation clarifies the issue.
Been fiddling with "club data" via the Mevo+ for a few months now and been matching up "feels" with the numbers and types of my "misses". The results led me to googling internal shoulder rotation in the golf swing, and here I landed. Your fine explanations should be a wonderful shortcut for getting me to where I think I want to go - *without* having to completely reinvent the wheel on my own. *And*, the possibility of not having to try to do that prissy, Colin Montgomerie-looking stuff would be *so* freeing - could just exaggerating squeezing the elbows together on the way down be enough? Hated having to purse my lips together throughout the swing. I've also watched tons of DTL video of myself and had been stumped about why I could go from cupped, across the line, and then too steep at P5 to "close enough" at P5.5 so as to have my path numbers be typically only slightly left/negative (less than 2°). A hint of external shoulder rotation explains it - that tucking the right elbow feel. I wonder if you might address how trail arm external rotation and trail arm forearm pronation relate in the downswing. Seems they're kind of opposite rotations, yet going on at about the same time. I think I'm "close" to getting it, but that wheel-reinventing stuff is getting old at my age. Having the elbow adjacent to the torso would seem to be key. I'm thinking that if anybody would have this wrapped up into a nice package, it would be you. TIA For anyone reading this comment, hold your right elbow next to your body and fully pronate that right forearm. Then, hold that arm straight out and see how much further that forearm can rotate on that same axis. Think "snap hook". 🙂
I came back to this video as I have been really working on my swing during the off season. Thank you- really needed this information- I also feel uncomfortable in external rotation. GREAT video.
Eric, the internal to external swing (kind of a 'backward looping' feel) does indeed give me more distance and allows me to hit the ball from the inside much more consistently. Another benefit of this swing (for me at least), is that it keeps my wrists, forearms and shoulders tensionless in the transition and downswing. Good stuff, thanks for the relevant and detailed content!
Never thought about the trail shoulder movement. Have used Bradley Hughes forearm rotation in the transition which has worked great for my swing. Now I see that the trail shoulder actually externally rotates when I rotate my forearms in transition to shallow the shaft. More great instruction from Eric Cogorno!!!
Eric Cogorno Golf Can you match up an externally rotated lead shoulder (upper arm tucked under) at address with an internally rotated trail shoulder at the top? Trying to steepen the plane going back and use opposite forces in transition!
I was swinging pretty good, and then when my swing went back, I was having trouble fixing it until I realized I was not externally rotating my right shoulder. All of sudden my good swing came back. Great video!!!
Eric, going back to your wrist conditions video. Seems like the internal rotation would pair well with a strong grip and cupped wrist, with little forearm rotation. Am I overthinking this ;-) ?
No matter which you choose you MUST have some external rotation left at the top to shallow the club. If you max your external rotation range of motion at the top the tight muscles will lead to a slight over the top downswing because you body bounces out of tightness. I've seen a few people that are able to recover from this but it takes major manipulations. Once I discovered this a few years ago my ball striking changed for good. I have limited external shoulder ROM and therefore stay internal at the top. From there its just like throwing a ball, open up and let it go.
Great informative video. I internally rotate my shoulders for sure with the elbow pointing out. but like you said I do notice quite a few pros who do as well. my problem is sometimes especially with driver I feel sometimes I internally rotate too much and it makes the club go across the line, it almost feels like I do a reverse pivot if that makes sense. but I'm working on stopping my backswing before my right shoulder feels like its going back too much and using a glove under my right arm pit seems to be helping that. Thanks again Eric for all you do. I'm hoping I can make it out to get a lesson from you in person this spring/ summer.
Eric-always been internal, not enough mobility for external. Been working hard to eliminate cupped wrist wt the top of backswing, but have been struggling, especially with driver. Now thinking that internal and some cupping is inherently linked...just trying to understand if a cupped wrist is so detrimental with internal rotation.
I am definitely an external rotator going back and my club doesn't need to shallow coming down. How much more speed will I gain if I go internal to external roughly? A whole club? A half a club? It's not a hard switch to make as I used to be more internal.
Hi Eric if you externally rotate on the backswing can you just turn towards the target or do you need to have the feeling of squeezing the ball on the downswing?
Thanks Eric fantastic too much internal rotation on the back swing was messing up my downswing. My right arm was internally rotating from the 8 o'clock position through to the top of the swing. I eventually decided that this might be due to my overlapping grip. I have very short pink fingers and found that I could not overlap enough to stop the rotation. So, I tried changing to an interlocking grip and found that I could eliminate the internal rotation completely with a particular depth of interlock. I now have a better angle of attack in the downswing and a greater feeling of timing and swing control. Maybe this is an appropriate solution maybe not - what do you think? Great web site I love the way you break things down into definite concepts.
Thanks, Steven! Happy to hear you found a solution! For this type of question I don't think I can give a good answer about what I think without actually seeing your swing before and after doing it
Great video. One thing I was looking for you to mention is whether or not being too externally rotated at the top can make it too hard to stay externally rotated throughout the downswing. I have had issues being too laid off at the top, leading to a sort of "dump" move and the classic early extension. I heard someone mention that too much external rotation at the top can cause this. Instead of focusing on my trail arm and going for a "flying elbow" sort of feel, I tried focusing on my lead elbow, and getting the inside of that elbow pointing more vertical at the top (logic suggests this would have my club more vertical). The results have been magical in terms of ball striking, but I haven't dug into it on video. Do you think this is an effective way to deal with this problem or am I walking on a slippery slope?
Thanks, Kevin! "One thing I was looking for you to mention is whether or not being too externally rotated at the top can make it too hard to stay externally rotated throughout the downswing" -Yes 100% it can Yes that can be effective I discuss that herE: czcams.com/video/RROKALR1xrU/video.html
Eric, this is a really great video that really helps me to understand this concept. You really have a gift for explaining things. I'm hoping you would be willing to answer a question. I have really poor mobility in my shoulder joint and always have. I can't even get to 90 degrees, only about 70 or so. So naturally I go with internal rotation on the backswing. On the downswing, I find with limited mobility that I have a hard time getting externally rotated and tend to get steep when I start the squat position. Do you have any suggestions?
Hey Mikey! Appreciate the kind words! It seems you have two options: 1. Work on your mobility to increase external rotation....perhaps with a physical therapist. 2. Do not work on your mobility and figure out what pieces work together with more internal rotation (you can swing great from there) For this I would hire I coach to guide you through the process!
@@CogornoGolf Thanks Eric! Already working with a TPI certified Physio but my shoulder flexibility is pretty stubborn. Will look to getting some guidance from a golf pro. Cheers!
I’m happy to hear that not being able to physically externally rotate my shoulder is normal. I’ve always tried to get that trail elbow pointed down to the ground look but It always feel painful and as if I can’t flex my shoulder to that position.
Hey Jon! Yessir.....thats perfectly fine and normal....BUT.....you have to get the external to start down then (not actually IN external rotation but moving in that direction) If not the shaft goin to be too steep
Would you agree that internal rotation also helps those of us that come at the ball too inside out since internal rotation of the right arm keeps the club head outside the hands more on the backswing?
Hey David! In general I see 1. Internal rotation tends to make the shaft go more down or across the line at the top. If someone swings LONG enough and has good sequence this can help with shallowing the club and speed. BUT if they dont swing long enough or have poor sequence I see this lead to the shaft getting steep in early transition (see this a lot) and then a late shallow (contact and face control issues) 2. External rotation would be "easier" for most to come back down on the same plane but if overdone can also be too steep. If you're already too inside I would learn more toward EXTERNAL, not internal. (in general)
Hey Eric, great video. I have really limited external rotation of my right shoulder and I’ve always been able to transition in the downswing enough to compensate for it. My problem the past several months has been that my right hand takes over the swing as soon as I squeeze my elbows together, causing me to pull the ball left every time I swing full speed. Do you have any ideas to help me release the club on plane?
Hey Austin! 1. Thanks for the message! 2. I need to see your swing on video to confirm exactly what you are doing to specifically tell you what you need to do to correct. 3. Try www.cogornogolf.com send us your swings its only $69/mo to try 4. Need to see what right hand taking over means....assuming you are saying you're right wrist is throwing too much too soon (extension to flexion). In that case you would need to feel like your right wrist stays bent back essentially forever czcams.com/video/bnNsbWgUjFw/video.html
Was Lydia Ko’s swing under Leadbetter internal rotation? She had the club almost vertical halfway back and shallowed it a lot. Seemed to work better than her new swing
great video! Questioin I have a externally rotated shoulder at the top with club a little layed off really nicely on plane. can you tell me a feel to get club to shallow? right now i seem to pull with hands so club gets steeper not shallow on the down swing
Richard Bohot Quit pulling down with your hands. It’s a bitch to break the habit. All the speed in your swing should be from about 2 ft behind ball and 2 ft past the ball. Let your arms and hands fall naturally in your transition , add some turn at the same time and you’ll be in a much better position at impact.
I would have to see your swing to say for sure....some things to look at 1. Do you externally rotate more in transition? Stay the same? or internally rotate? You could increase external (squeeze elbows) more 2. Watch ratio of how soon your hands come down relative to body motions as mentioned below 3. Could be wrist conditions (toward extension) I would look there first, could tell you in 2 seconds if I saw your swing
For the external rotation option, would the shaft butt point to the outside of ball line at takeway p3 position, while the internal option provides a butt pointing inside ball line at p3? I have been struggling with this inside/outside ball line for awhile. All the vids are great help and thanks very much!
Yes....but if outside of ball line thats too far. Watch my "backswing checkpoints" video....hideki externally rotates from p2-p4 nicely as a model for that
Can you do a video on how to fix a major flat backswing because my hand height is below my shoulders and this often cause my arms to get stuck in the downswing.
If we are under the assumption that you always need to FEEL opposites of our current "Fault".... If you go to far IN or DEEP....what is the opposite of that? I would get to a good neutral takeaway (club parallel) and then feel the opposite of your current to the top. More UP or OUT even.... How much? Exaggerated until you hit a neutral spot
I know i need to be externally rotated in the downswing, but on the back swing doesn't external rotation of the trail shoulder open the face? I play a strong grip, so I keep telling myself external rotation going back is fine but wondered your opinion, thanks!
Hey David! I love all the questions on the videos! I think we are at the point where I can't help much more without seeing a video of your swing. The specificity of the answers all would need to be relative to what YOU are doing. I would encourage you to join www.cogornogolf.com as a premium member so I can help!
Eric Cogorno Golf - totally fair - appreciate the answers thus far! Your videos resonate with how I learn thus all the questions ha. Will check out your subscription site too
I don’t have the flexibility to externally rotate in the backswing, so when I externally rotate in the transition, I always blade the club face wide open through the impact. And then I have to manipulate the club to square it. This game will be the death of me.
When you externally rotate in transition make sure youre also going into flexion with the left wrist so you strengthen the club face. If you leave the wrist as it is or worse, cup it, you'll be going down a blind alley with a wide open clubface. In fact, if you uncock the wrists in transition and make the left wrist bow at the same time, you might find the right elbow externally rotates on it's own ;)
Yeah the left wrist flexion is definitely something I am leaving out. I think it’s partly due to not wanting the swing to feel manipulated. I’m going to have to though, as my left wrist always wants to cup. I just find the ball going left and more left with flexion. Obviously a club path issue as well.
Christopher Wilson keep hitting it left like that till you learn to rotate better. That’s why it’s happening. Back to your first issue though, I wasted years trying to accompany external rotation with a lagging and cupped feeling in the wrists. Feel wide on the way down with flexion and uncocking. That’s your answer.
Eric-thanks for this video. This has answered a life long mystery I’ve had about the golf swing. I didn’t really realize it was shoulder rotation, but it was a feeling I had. But whenever I would try to internally rotate my trail shoulder, I’d try to keep my elbow in as well, and I could never figure out why I was crossing the line.....which also caused me to manipulate my downswing. So I’ve gone back and forth between the two....and never really understanding how to properly shallow the club...stumbling onto it from time to time, but never consistently. I’m certainly no Hogan yet, but I’ve learned more about the golf swing in the few months I’ve watched your stuff than I have in the previous 20 years. For those of you who don’t have a subscription to CogornoGolf, I HIGHLY recommend it. Really, really good.
Thanks, Matt! I'm happy to hear that and really appreciate the kind words!
Best video I have seen in a long time. When I was 25 years old I had shoulder surgery which basically left me with zero external rotation. I was able to grind out a swing for most of my youth and was a decent 8 handicap. Then circa 2007, at 47, I went to a one plane swing (Moe Norman) I played the one plane swing until recently when I realized at 60, I just don't have the strength anymore to generate enough clubhead speed. My 3/4 swing generates drives that are about 220 and my 7 iron carries about 135. The flying elbow is OK? Who knew? Going back to an internal rotation has given me the extra clubhead speed and therefore distance as long as I transition on the way down. I have been fighting my flying elbow most of my adult life. Thanks for the video and confirmation that I can continue with my internal rotation, and hopefully continue golfing into my 70's
Glad to hear you're heading back in the right direction my friend!
Terrific depiction of internal and external rotation in the back swing and external rotation in the down swing. Understand these concepts much better now.
Thanks, Peter!
I think this video ties in well with your equal & opposites video. I have a tendency toward a flying right elbow. I know that's a destructive move if I don't externally rotate my shoulder - elbow complex. So, in order to make it easier on myself, I've been experimenting with taking the club back outside the target line. This seems to give me the momentum needed to make an external rotation. Like you, I'm built to internally rotate my shoulder, so, that makes external rotation something I need to work on. I'm glad you posted this video because it's good to know that somebody else has to work extra hard to turn their body. Useful video, Eric.
Thanks, Chester! I have met many golfers like you and I! Let me know how you do....ways to match everything up
Another clear explanation. I externally rotate my shoulder on my back swing despite not having much mobility like you. My down swing is pretty much always "under plane". I had a lesson some time ago in which I specifically asked about shallowing the shaft - it seems to be a hot topic these days - and was told to forget about it! I didn't understand at the time (or since) why I was told that, but I think your explanation clarifies the issue.
Thanks, John! Happy to help!
Been fiddling with "club data" via the Mevo+ for a few months now and been matching up "feels" with the numbers and types of my "misses". The results led me to googling internal shoulder rotation in the golf swing, and here I landed. Your fine explanations should be a wonderful shortcut for getting me to where I think I want to go - *without* having to completely reinvent the wheel on my own. *And*, the possibility of not having to try to do that prissy, Colin Montgomerie-looking stuff would be *so* freeing - could just exaggerating squeezing the elbows together on the way down be enough? Hated having to purse my lips together throughout the swing.
I've also watched tons of DTL video of myself and had been stumped about why I could go from cupped, across the line, and then too steep at P5 to "close enough" at P5.5 so as to have my path numbers be typically only slightly left/negative (less than 2°). A hint of external shoulder rotation explains it - that tucking the right elbow feel.
I wonder if you might address how trail arm external rotation and trail arm forearm pronation relate in the downswing. Seems they're kind of opposite rotations, yet going on at about the same time. I think I'm "close" to getting it, but that wheel-reinventing stuff is getting old at my age. Having the elbow adjacent to the torso would seem to be key. I'm thinking that if anybody would have this wrapped up into a nice package, it would be you. TIA
For anyone reading this comment, hold your right elbow next to your body and fully pronate that right forearm. Then, hold that arm straight out and see how much further that forearm can rotate on that same axis. Think "snap hook". 🙂
I came back to this video as I have been really working on my swing during the off season. Thank you- really needed this information- I also feel uncomfortable in external rotation. GREAT video.
Appreciate it-hope it helps guide my friend!
Eric, the internal to external swing (kind of a 'backward looping' feel) does indeed give me more distance and allows me to hit the ball from the inside much more consistently. Another benefit of this swing (for me at least), is that it keeps my wrists, forearms and shoulders tensionless in the transition and downswing. Good stuff, thanks for the relevant and detailed content!
That works my friend! My pleasure!
Never thought about the trail shoulder movement. Have used Bradley Hughes forearm rotation in the transition which has worked great for my swing. Now I see that the trail shoulder actually externally rotates when I rotate my forearms in transition to shallow the shaft. More great instruction from Eric Cogorno!!!
Love it!
Big fan of internally rotating the trail shoulder. George Gankas is too and he’s another great golf coach!!
Yup...definitely one way to do it!
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Eric Cogorno Golf Can you match up an externally rotated lead shoulder (upper arm tucked under) at address with an internally rotated trail shoulder at the top?
Trying to steepen the plane going back and use opposite forces in transition!
You could for sure do that
knowledge is power and you have sorted me out once and for all , great work
Thanks, Kevin!
I love your teaching approach, "causes and effect"...
Thanks!
I was swinging pretty good, and then when my swing went back, I was having trouble fixing it until I realized I was not externally rotating my right shoulder. All of sudden my good swing came back. Great video!!!
Love it!
Eric, going back to your wrist conditions video. Seems like the internal rotation would pair well with a strong grip and cupped wrist, with little forearm rotation. Am I overthinking this ;-) ?
Yeah those are common match ups.....you can really make anything work if you know what you're doing :)
I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone teach on this before. Thanks Eric!
My pleasure my friend!
No matter which you choose you MUST have some external rotation left at the top to shallow the club. If you max your external rotation range of motion at the top the tight muscles will lead to a slight over the top downswing because you body bounces out of tightness. I've seen a few people that are able to recover from this but it takes major manipulations. Once I discovered this a few years ago my ball striking changed for good. I have limited external shoulder ROM and therefore stay internal at the top. From there its just like throwing a ball, open up and let it go.
Love it !
Pretty much what we are working on right now. Love it
Yessir!
Great informative video. I internally rotate my shoulders for sure with the elbow pointing out. but like you said I do notice quite a few pros who do as well. my problem is sometimes especially with driver I feel sometimes I internally rotate too much and it makes the club go across the line, it almost feels like I do a reverse pivot if that makes sense. but I'm working on stopping my backswing before my right shoulder feels like its going back too much and using a glove under my right arm pit seems to be helping that. Thanks again Eric for all you do. I'm hoping I can make it out to get a lesson from you in person this spring/ summer.
LOVE this. Very clarifying!! thanks!
:)
Eric-always been internal, not enough mobility for external. Been working hard to eliminate cupped wrist wt the top of backswing, but have been struggling, especially with driver. Now thinking that internal and some cupping is inherently linked...just trying to understand if a cupped wrist is so detrimental with internal rotation.
100% they are linked
You need to have a stronger left hand grip to make that work or the face will be too open
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I am definitely an external rotator going back and my club doesn't need to shallow coming down. How much more speed will I gain if I go internal to external roughly? A whole club? A half a club? It's not a hard switch to make as I used to be more internal.
This is one of those shitty "it depends" answers....all else equal a couple of mph is what I typically see....could be a club.
Hi Eric if you externally rotate on the backswing can you just turn towards the target or do you need to have the feeling of squeezing the ball on the downswing?
Still need a bit more coming down (depends on how much you did at top....too much at top not good....can lead to opposite coming down)
Thanks Eric fantastic too much internal rotation on the back swing was messing up my downswing. My right arm was internally rotating from the 8 o'clock position through to the top of the swing. I eventually decided that this might be due to my overlapping grip. I have very short pink fingers and found that I could not overlap enough to stop the rotation. So, I tried changing to an interlocking grip and found that I could eliminate the internal rotation completely with a particular depth of interlock. I now have a better angle of attack in the downswing and a greater feeling of timing and swing control. Maybe this is an appropriate solution maybe not - what do you think? Great web site I love the way you break things down into definite concepts.
Thanks, Steven!
Happy to hear you found a solution! For this type of question I don't think I can give a good answer about what I think without actually seeing your swing before and after doing it
Great video. One thing I was looking for you to mention is whether or not being too externally rotated at the top can make it too hard to stay externally rotated throughout the downswing. I have had issues being too laid off at the top, leading to a sort of "dump" move and the classic early extension. I heard someone mention that too much external rotation at the top can cause this. Instead of focusing on my trail arm and going for a "flying elbow" sort of feel, I tried focusing on my lead elbow, and getting the inside of that elbow pointing more vertical at the top (logic suggests this would have my club more vertical). The results have been magical in terms of ball striking, but I haven't dug into it on video. Do you think this is an effective way to deal with this problem or am I walking on a slippery slope?
Thanks, Kevin!
"One thing I was looking for you to mention is whether or not being too externally rotated at the top can make it too hard to stay externally rotated throughout the downswing"
-Yes 100% it can
Yes that can be effective I discuss that herE: czcams.com/video/RROKALR1xrU/video.html
Eric, this is a really great video that really helps me to understand this concept. You really have a gift for explaining things. I'm hoping you would be willing to answer a question. I have really poor mobility in my shoulder joint and always have. I can't even get to 90 degrees, only about 70 or so. So naturally I go with internal rotation on the backswing. On the downswing, I find with limited mobility that I have a hard time getting externally rotated and tend to get steep when I start the squat position. Do you have any suggestions?
Hey Mikey!
Appreciate the kind words!
It seems you have two options:
1. Work on your mobility to increase external rotation....perhaps with a physical therapist.
2. Do not work on your mobility and figure out what pieces work together with more internal rotation (you can swing great from there) For this I would hire I coach to guide you through the process!
@@CogornoGolf Thanks Eric! Already working with a TPI certified Physio but my shoulder flexibility is pretty stubborn. Will look to getting some guidance from a golf pro. Cheers!
I’m happy to hear that not being able to physically externally rotate my shoulder is normal. I’ve always tried to get that trail elbow pointed down to the ground look but It always feel painful and as if I can’t flex my shoulder to that position.
Hey Jon! Yessir.....thats perfectly fine and normal....BUT.....you have to get the external to start down then (not actually IN external rotation but moving in that direction)
If not the shaft goin to be too steep
@@CogornoGolf So if you cannot get externally rotated youll never be able to have a good swing path? Always will be over the top?
Would you agree that internal rotation also helps those of us that come at the ball too inside out since internal rotation of the right arm keeps the club head outside the hands more on the backswing?
Hey David!
In general I see
1. Internal rotation tends to make the shaft go more down or across the line at the top. If someone swings LONG enough and has good sequence this can help with shallowing the club and speed.
BUT if they dont swing long enough or have poor sequence I see this lead to the shaft getting steep in early transition (see this a lot) and then a late shallow (contact and face control issues)
2. External rotation would be "easier" for most to come back down on the same plane but if overdone can also be too steep.
If you're already too inside I would learn more toward EXTERNAL, not internal. (in general)
Hey Eric, great video. I have really limited external rotation of my right shoulder and I’ve always been able to transition in the downswing enough to compensate for it. My problem the past several months has been that my right hand takes over the swing as soon as I squeeze my elbows together, causing me to pull the ball left every time I swing full speed. Do you have any ideas to help me release the club on plane?
Hey Austin!
1. Thanks for the message!
2. I need to see your swing on video to confirm exactly what you are doing to specifically tell you what you need to do to correct.
3. Try www.cogornogolf.com send us your swings its only $69/mo to try
4. Need to see what right hand taking over means....assuming you are saying you're right wrist is throwing too much too soon (extension to flexion). In that case you would need to feel like your right wrist stays bent back essentially forever
czcams.com/video/bnNsbWgUjFw/video.html
Was Lydia Ko’s swing under Leadbetter internal rotation? She had the club almost vertical halfway back and shallowed it a lot. Seemed to work better than her new swing
Yes...
Her old swing before they changed it was AWESOME!......
They made it worse.
great video! Questioin I have a externally rotated shoulder at the top with club a little layed off really nicely on plane. can you tell me a feel to get club to shallow? right now i seem to pull with hands so club gets steeper not shallow on the down swing
Richard Bohot Quit pulling down with your hands. It’s a bitch to break the habit. All the speed in your swing should be from about 2 ft behind ball and 2 ft past the ball. Let your arms and hands fall naturally in your transition , add some turn at the same time and you’ll be in a much better position at impact.
I would have to see your swing to say for sure....some things to look at
1. Do you externally rotate more in transition? Stay the same? or internally rotate? You could increase external (squeeze elbows) more
2. Watch ratio of how soon your hands come down relative to body motions as mentioned below
3. Could be wrist conditions (toward extension)
I would look there first, could tell you in 2 seconds if I saw your swing
@@mjs4981 yah it's a serious habit to break. When I start down my hands come straight down. Did you have the problem? How did you fix it.
For the external rotation option, would the shaft butt point to the outside of ball line at takeway p3 position, while the internal option provides a butt pointing inside ball line at p3? I have been struggling with this inside/outside ball line for awhile. All the vids are great help and thanks very much!
Yes....but if outside of ball line thats too far.
Watch my "backswing checkpoints" video....hideki externally rotates from p2-p4 nicely as a model for that
Thanks for the clarification and it helps!
love video
Thanks, Tom!
Can you do a video on how to fix a major flat backswing because my hand height is below my shoulders and this often cause my arms to get stuck in the downswing.
If we are under the assumption that you always need to FEEL opposites of our current "Fault"....
If you go to far IN or DEEP....what is the opposite of that?
I would get to a good neutral takeaway (club parallel) and then feel the opposite of your current to the top. More UP or OUT even....
How much?
Exaggerated until you hit a neutral spot
@@CogornoGolf so feel vertical on the way back until I get some what neutral?
Yup. Of course as always I would have to see your swing to say for sure, but thats a good place to start
@@CogornoGolf yeah because I am quite flat throughout my swing
Thx Eric great video
My pleasure, John
I know i need to be externally rotated in the downswing, but on the back swing doesn't external rotation of the trail shoulder open the face? I play a strong grip, so I keep telling myself external rotation going back is fine but wondered your opinion, thanks!
Hey David!
I love all the questions on the videos! I think we are at the point where I can't help much more without seeing a video of your swing. The specificity of the answers all would need to be relative to what YOU are doing.
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Eric Cogorno Golf - totally fair - appreciate the answers thus far! Your videos resonate with how I learn thus all the questions ha. Will check out your subscription site too
Rose is external, bubba external ?
yes...I think you meant bubba internal...
Eric Cogorno Golf yes I did
Internal rotation feels so uncomfortable and difficult for me to do, I feel like it takes double the flexibility to rotate internally
No problem, just keep it in external
I don’t have the flexibility to externally rotate in the backswing, so when I externally rotate in the transition, I always blade the club face wide open through the impact. And then I have to manipulate the club to square it. This game will be the death of me.
When you externally rotate in transition make sure youre also going into flexion with the left wrist so you strengthen the club face. If you leave the wrist as it is or worse, cup it, you'll be going down a blind alley with a wide open clubface. In fact, if you uncock the wrists in transition and make the left wrist bow at the same time, you might find the right elbow externally rotates on it's own ;)
Yeah the left wrist flexion is definitely something I am leaving out. I think it’s partly due to not wanting the swing to feel manipulated. I’m going to have to though, as my left wrist always wants to cup. I just find the ball going left and more left with flexion. Obviously a club path issue as well.
Christopher Wilson keep hitting it left like that till you learn to rotate better. That’s why it’s happening. Back to your first issue though, I wasted years trying to accompany external rotation with a lagging and cupped feeling in the wrists. Feel wide on the way down with flexion and uncocking. That’s your answer.
Awesome. Thanks. See what happens once this 20 inches of snow is gone.
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Internal for me. I love the fact I can lift the club. It changed my swing to a new level by lifting the club ala Nicklaus style.
That works!