We've reviewed lots of CPUs over the years. It is absolutely insane that the 2700 and 5800X3D can go in the same socket with such a wide performance gap between them. Still cool to see it -- hopefully both Intel and AMD do more of this, although probably motherboard manufacturers aren't too happy about it! Get 10% off of GN store toolkits, Modmats, and project & solder mats while the sale is active! store.gamersnexus.net/ Watch our 14700K CPU review here! czcams.com/video/8KKE-7BzB_M/video.html
I wonder why GN doesnt benchmark the 7900x3d. I know its a joke of a product by AMD (unfortunately i bought it before the 7800X3D came out due to the timing when i wanted to build my dream 4090 PC. I got the 4090 for 800 bucks due a friend of mine who sold it because her son got a bad report card)
Went from a 1600X to a 5800X3D on my original X370 motherboard! It's unbelievable the value proposition that I got from building a PC with first gen Ryzen.
@@GamersNexus Thought I'd chime since my situation very similiar I went from 1800x on tai chi x370 and 580, to 5800x3d and a 6900xt toxic. I had no cpu issues, finally got ram working at rated speed (no pbo2 though), and sporadic gpu driver crashes and random for a few update cycles. Been good though for a bit now on that. Wish I knew how goid/bad pcie 3/4 really is. Saw simulated bench that says it's minor. It really is impressive the gains in vr and framerate. A very very solid upgrade r from years old motherboard.
@@GamersNexus It's snappier, and actually more stable. My 1600X hated the Gskill 3200 MT/s RAM kit I bought, and would only run it at 2966 or whatever that step was. It's running full speed no problems now, and I've had no issues with the same windows install. The board is doing great! It's an ASUS Prime X370 Pro. It got multiple BIOS updates to support 5th gen Ryzen and it also got resizable BAR somewhere down the line (which I thought was only really for PCIE4?). I know I'm missing out on PCIE Gen 4 but I am not sure spending ~100-150 bucks is worth the uplift. It may make a bigger difference to me now than it would've earlier this year as I upgraded my GPU too from a GTX1080 to a 6950XT when they went on a flash sale this spring. (actually the 5800X3d was on sale for 270 USD on amazon, couldn't pass that up) All in all I really don't regret the upgrade. It changed my every day computing experience and the gaming improvement has been amazing.
Just upgraded from a R5 1600 to a 5600 because they were going for peanuts (something like 110 usd new). Massively extended the life of my hardware, felt awesome
i upgraded my r3 1200 af to a 5600 and regretted it lol (aside from rpsc3 actually being playable) wouldve preffered spending that 200 euro on more storage or something tbh
I'll hopefully soon be on the same boat with you. Currently on 3600 with a 3070ti on b450. I'm on the fence if I should upgrade the same way you did, or wait for the next gen of CPUs to be more current, but much more pricer having to worry about a new Mobo and ram.
The 2700X was the CPU I built for my dad with a 1080ti back in 2018. He's always loved it and gamed religiously on it until his passing on 11/16/2023. I walked into his home and the computer was on from the night before of recording music and playing new world on it. He passed away in his sleep watching his computer screen. I love you dad and I'll never forget you.
If 5700X3D and 5500X3D gets released next year 2024, it'd mean that AM4 had total 9 years of CPU releases on it, as the first CPU generation for AM4 is not even Ryzen, not even A12-98XX, but the A12-88XX series (Carrizo) on OEM mini PCs in 2016. In the same socket they went from 28nm 3rd gen 2/4-core Bulldozer to 3rd Zen with 3D cache. It passed LGA775 as the longest supported socket generation this year.
they're not gonna release more variants of 5000-X3D cpus. The 5600X3D is binned down from failed 5800X3Ds and there was a limited amount of those too. The binning/yields of 5800X3Ds were so good that there was little need for AMD to downgrade them.
@@hydrosmusic There were some reports/ leaks from earlier this week that AMD is readying a 5700X3D and another 6-core X3D chip as well. I didn't expect this either, but the leaker has been reliable in the past, so many different media outlets have reported on this alleged leak.
@@leorickpccenter don't get your hopes up, the 5700X3D and the 5500X3D (if those even really exist) are probably going to be a small batch of CPUs that where 5800X3Ds who weren't stable as an 5800X3D and had to be binned down (just like the 5600X3D was), if those do hit the market there's a good chance it's going to be a limited run, furthermore the stock for the 5800X3D isn't going to last forever! If it runs out you'll have to upgrade to AM5
I refuse to get another 5000 series chip. If an upgrade will be next year. Most likely be the 9000 series. From now on will most likely get X3D and see what the big deal is.
Bought a 5800X3D for $100 locally because the seller claimed “5000 CPUs were more or less the same” and I wasn’t gonna change his mind. I was blown away at how good it was. Matched my 12700K. It now sits snugly in a friend’s build.
@@__aceofspades "X3D" cpu's are made specifically for gaming, and the 5800X3D will hang pretty well with the 15700k as well, if Intel doesn't significantly increase its cache. True about MT and productivity.
Probably was someone who got it for a workstation, if that's the case then he wasn't wrong! The 5800X3D performs worse than the stock 5800X and a 5700X with PBO enabled, while costing more. It's an excellent CPU for gaming but it's a waste of money for everything else!
AM4 really was something special. I started with a 1600 that struggled to compete with my sisters 8600k. but now I run the same Motherboard ram and cooler with a 5800X3D that leaves her 9900k in the dust.
@@thefurmidablecatlucky3 it outperforms the 13900k in some scenarios, until gen 13th anything before that is trashed by the 5800x3d which makes it a great processor as of 2023
@italianbasegard we both upgraded around the same time, and whilst she went for intel, I went for AMD. The cpu changes are just us going from what we could afford at the time to the best ones we could get for our setups without ripping out the motherboard.
Went from a 1600X to a 5800X3D on my B350 I got during ryzen 5 launch week all the way back in 2017. Perfect slot in upgrade, no stability issues at all. I did eventually upgrade to a B550 because I got a 2TB 980 Pro for $99 and needed somewhere to put it (got a good deal on the mobo, too) 😆
Went from core2quad to 2700x several years ago and the improvement was staggering. Upgraded to a 5800x3d last month on the same board and oh man. AM4 💪
Similar for me. I ran a Intel 2700k @ OC 4.7ghz for about 7years. When the 2700X went on a black friday sale on Amazon in Nov 2019 I finally took the plunge. I then saw the 1600AF (2600) for $85 and started building budget B450 rigs to replace a bunch of even older systems like a i7 920 in a Media PC. Slowly built a few more for each family member and now I have a total of 9 in the house. 8 with x570 and one with b550 all with Zen3 5600G,5600,5600X,5800x,5900x. I won't run these for 7years but I plan to still run them for at least 3-4more years as they are Gen4 support with 6000 series GPU's. AM4 was a great socket to upgrade on. Never in my PC life have I swapped out CPU's so much from 1600AF,2700X,3600,3700x,5600x,5900x etc. Some rigs saw 4 CPU's as I found great used deals and sold what I had for usually the same price. Fun time but they are all built out now. I game at nearly 4k resolution so my 5900x will last a while as my 6900XT won't really push it targeting 238fps or less.
@@MaxIronsThird I already sold off all older am4 cpus. They all have 5600,5600x ,5800x ,5900x now. And the monitoring software didn’t show 30 watts at idle.
I went from a 2700x with a 1070ti to a 5800x3d with a 4070 and can certainly say that the difference was night and day. I do wish however that pricing was more similar to when I bought the 2700x tho.
@@kramnull8962 I don't see how the 3700x was a turd considering it was actually a great chip for the time due to it's pricing and what it offered being a full 8 core 16 thread cpu with overclocking potential. I used the 3600 for a couple years and I've only had issues with performance on that chip in a couple titles.
Similar... I had 2070 super and 2600. Went to 5600x - big upgrade Then went to 4080 - big upgrade again Then went to AM5 and 7800x3d - big upgrade again! Difference between the 7800x3d with 4080 and the 2600 with a 2070 super was OK. Not worth the money... But can't deny the performance
A neat video or I guess multi part series idea would be a "What's a better upgrade path, CPU or GPU?" Where you could test to see what % uplift you get from upgrading one or the other in multiple games. It sure would be a lot of work testing all that hardware but it may be interesting.
Thank you for making a modern review of a recent yet older product. I've been looking at upgrading from hardware a generation older than you reviewed, and this really helps put things in perspective. Really glad to see this as well as your focus on the website!
These sorts of videos is why I'm subscribed to this channel. I'm still on AM4 an was looking for something that would put it in perspective. Great work as usual. Keep it up
This was very helpful in showing what an upgrade would give me. Have a 9600K and am looking to upgrade within the next year, been keeping track of Black Friday just in case.
I think the i7 9700K would be the most interesting Intel revisit. There was a lot of worry 8C/8T would cause issues in then future games, which are now current games. Would be interesting to see that tested given how CPU demanding some releases this year have been.
From experience, that CPU has held up almost as well as the 10700K and 9900K. 8 core doesn't suffer as much for lacking HT since it still has 8 whole cores to multi-task on, where older chips had 4. The 6 core 8th gen i5 has aged kinda gracefully too. Having 2 physical cores more than the older quads, even without HT, puts it above the 4c8t chips.
Very little, and I'm assuming this is why Intel is dropping it with Arrow Lake. The small delta between the 9700k and 9900k could mostly be accounted to pure clock speed increases in most situations. Hyperthreading was a game changer when we were on 1-2 core CPUs because previously your background tasks would leak into your gaming threads. But it was never any kind of doubling of performance. A core is still a core that runs 1 thread fast or 2 threads half as fast. As we've gained more and more cores the benefits of HT have given ever diminishing returns. Especially now that we have E cores sitting on the bench waiting to be called into the game as well as AMD's plans to introduce their own version of E cores. I'm quite interested to see what Arrow Lake brings because we're at speeds now where the biggest hurdle is fighting the laws of physics. ANY way you can shorten that overall pipeline will give notable gains and this is why the X3D chips punch well above their weight class. The 9700k only had HT disabled. Arrow Lake will have it totally removed. I would imagine that could be beneficial once you're at 6-8 cores, with the only question being HOW beneficial for intense lower thread count vs detrimental in high thread count parallel tasks like rendering. But you have to remember a lot of high thread uses like rendering don't care about VCache and usually run much faster on a GPU anyways. At the very least we have some interesting architectures coming up in the next few years. Too bad we don't have the same competition in the GPU space.
@@zodwraith5745 They're not dropping it, it's not that simple, Arrow Lake was designed with something better(Rentable Units), but isn't working well enough to ship on time, so they're waiting for Nova Lake, so they can't just go back and add HT to Arrow Lake, the chip would have to be redesigned. Games like Cyberpunk where the engine clearly uses evey single thread, will have a 20% to 30% reduction in performance, but UE5 games where only 10 threads at the most are in use, will see no difference at all. Plus APO released with RPL-R makes sure the E-Cores are also used for games, but it needs to be tuned by Intel, on a game by game basis.
I use a 9900K, and while HU did two full videos revisiting that and the 3700X, itd still be cool to see your data and perspective on the cpu I currently use as Im considering upgrading to a current gen platform. Thank you, and great video!
9700K as well. Not just because I own one but because it’s an interesting CPU. It’s the most powerful CPU that doesn’t have HT since all of them since then have had HT. the lack of threads didn’t hurt it back then thanks to 8 cores but might now.
@@wertywerrtyson5529 Lack of HT hurt it back then, but typical way of benchmarking (AVG and LOWS graphs) don't show it well. Check e.g. Digital Foundry CPU reviews comparing i7 to i9 and you will see clearly that 9700K most of the time gives similar framerate, but it's more likely to drop it, so stutter.
I dunno bro you only got one additional X, 3 and D +100 pionts, but you are going to 0 ks, which besides X is a very important metric to use when buying products.
Would be cool to see i5 8400 revisted. Intel was releasing CPUs without SMT at that time, including the i7 9700K which is bizarre, and I wonder how that aged.
I wouldn't be surprised if the 9700k pulls through on oddballs like starfield as thats one of the few modern games that still gets a performance hit with SMT.
Just look at benchmarks with HT on vs off and there;s your 9700k review. Depends on the game, some benefit and others don't. Some claim that HT has a huge latency impact but click tto display latency is the exact same. What they are referring to is an article Intel wrote in 2017 saying that Hyperthreading does add latency, but didn't give any numbers or applications.
The 8400 was dirt cheap, and performed well for many years. There was a time when 9900k chips were going for relatively cheap (I think a Black Friday time) and it was a solid upgrade path. AM4 is by far the winning platform, but I think Intel 8th/9th gen CPUs were still great. As the video says, the CPU space has been a nice place for the last while.
I miss this CPU so much! The MSI board I used with it a few months ago died because one of the PCI-E slots had a trace catch fire. Excited to feel that performance uplift whenever I'm able to get grab current gen hardware. Bless up, Steve and co!
Nice re-visit as always, performance upgrade possibility for first am4 chipset is incredible. That time was anniversary discount for Asus Crosshair VI and price was around 140euro (hero) and 180e (extreme) for new ones. Pair it with ryzen 5xxx, rofl. And posibility of holes for AM3 cooler :-D ... (i am running on vi extreme, 3950x (before fx8370) with V8 GTS cooler :-D). Anyway, Also could by interesting compare temperature. That time was stock settings of cpu so much cooler than now.
Helpful video! Upgraded from a launch 3700x to the 5800x3d a while back and love it. I went a little overkill with my mobo when I got the 3700x (Crosshair VIII HERO) so it was great to get more value out of that original purchase.
note that is when using all cores full load. when gaming there is very little difference like maybe 80 watts and that's only with a select few games. I used to be hung up on power efficiency but have since learned that when gaming none of them use as much as the GPU.
When they eventually come out (because they always seem to get released later), I REALLY wish you would consider adding the 3700x, 5700x and 7700x, etc., in to the charts. With the added cores, but same TDP, I've always wanted to see where they fit in compared to the other CPUs. Have the 3600x, 5600x, and 7600x, etc., (and later the 8600x?) in the initial release charts, but swap out the _600x later (if needed) for the _700x versions. Great content, as always, appreciate it. Thanks!
It's really cool to see you guys revisiting these older CPUs! Like you said, it's absolutely insane the performance jump that's possible on this socket. Love to see it! This is probably too niche, but I'd be interested to get a look at how X99 CPUs stack up today. I still have an older system with a 5930k that's chugging along like a champ, but it's showing it's age. I'd like to see if any drop-in upgrades like the 6900k or 6950x would be worth it.
I think basically any cpu like that is about equal to a 8700K if it has 6 cores. or a higher core count 8700K if they have more. all 14++++++++++++++++++++++ cpus arent that diffrent with speeds, just core count at the end. sometimes they even got slower with the 5775C vs the 7700k for example ( not true in all cases but a good amount). 8700K should have a bit better single core speed but X99 has much better memory speeds.
Started with a 1500 in my AM4 board years ago at this point. The same board has now seen a 1700x, and a 5900X that it runs to this day... AM4 really was somethin' special. Both of those old CPUs have continued lives in server machines now. If only GPU's could have ended up in a similar situation.
Hey Steve, it's cool you put the note on the thermal paste used! Just wondering if you see any difference between MX-4 and MX-5 if you've bothered using both. I get great results with MX-4 but I bought a tube of MX-5, just haven't gotten around to using/needing to use it yet.
upgraded from a 2700X to a 5950X a year ago and the performance improvements were insane, compile jobs are 2-3x faster. Kept the same X470 board. Truly an amazing platform
Thank you! I've been hanging on with my 2700x and it starts to show. Been looking for a 5800x3d, since simple upgrade. Rog maximus here vii wifi still works nicely and really don't want to switch memory yet, because I went on the 3600 cl14 back then.
Man I really love when you guys do these type of videos. Its nice to see an older platform get some love even if its not really that old. Ive been running a 5950x for well over a year and it is one of my best purchases. Got it paired with a 7900xtx as well
Same setup. The 5950x is my favorite PC part of all time. Can't believe how much I can do with it and at only ~110w. The gaming might be falling behind, but 100% not a problem when I'm using it.
^ getting the 5950x upgrade from my custom prebuild has allowed me to realize my current home business and has been a sturdy granite stepping tool i can rely on 24-7, as well as game/test everything in my dreamachine with 4090 FE. No bottle necks yet, when set up properly..
Glad to see these kinds of reviews, still running a 2700X with a 2060 NZXT-G12 on a B450 and its great to see a breakdown of the possible upgrade paths. Got my eye on the 56-800X with an RX 6700 in the near future.
Same here im also still using a 2700x its been a great CPU I have mine paired with a rx6750 xt iv been waiting for black Friday to upgrade think im going to go to microcenter and snag that r5 5600x3d and pass the 2700x to my wife she has a r3 2300x in her pc so it would make a good upgrade for her
I'm glad this CPU is being covered as I have a R7 2700 myself. Through many videos I've come across bench marking the R5, I've rarely seen any videos show the performance of what my CPU can do which I perceive as good news. Since these new games are now making use of the R7 chips now, I think I'll bump myself up to a R9 series w/out the need to get an AM5 MOBO in the future. It's good to see the R7 2700 still keeping up with new and current games though, makes me grateful I went sort of big when I did!
Nice video :D .Steve, I would like to see i7 socket 2011 and its Quad Channel benchmarks , I don't find much contents about the i7 on this socket , and it works very well today on latest games .
These are the types of videos that need to happen every few generations. Having a reputable source compare older hardware to newer hardware to determine if an upgrade is worth the money is so nice.
absolutely, now that we're out of the chip shortage and scalping isn't really a problem I'm back to keeping an eye on the market and what's being released even though I'm not in need of an upgrade quite yet
I have a 1700 in one machine, and a 3600 in another. No real rush to upgrade either. I'll probably either buy used 5800x3ds or 5950xs in the next couple years, or just upgrade to AM5. let's be real, probably both if the AM4 cpus are cheap enough.
If you're not feeling a strong reason to upgrade yet, nothing wrong with saving the money (and parts) and waiting until it feels necessary. The used upgrade path works well with AM4.
I got a 1700X and X370 back in the launch. Didn't keep it very long though because I switched to the 8700K/Coffee Lake but man I wish I would've kept going with it and just now drop in a 5800X3D in it. I really like these "old parts" comparisons you do, they're very interesting.
I started on AM4 with an R3 1600. Then upgraded to an R7 3700X. And just last week I upgraded to a 5800X3D. All with the same hardware I bought back in 2019. I easily see another 2-3 years of life in my machine and I couldn't be happier with the performance gain in gaming I've gotten. The AM4 platform was truly a blessing for PC users and I really hope AMD treats the AM5 platform just as well.
I’d love to see a comparison on the 10700k. That seems to be the point where people who usually wouldn’t entertain switching to AMD started looking at it
I’m relatively new to the PC scene with my first CPU having been the i5-9600K. That could be interesting to look at. I flip computers now and focus on the used value oriented part of the market. The R5 3600 remains a favorite choice and would be a great candidate for a revisit.
I'm still so thankful that when I built my budget system a few years back I watched your content on the R5 3600 release. Bought the 5800X3D on black friday last year and sold my 3600 on ebay... such a crazy budget friendly solution over the years for gaming. I see zero need to upgrade for the next few years now just as the 5800X3D still performs so well.
Upgrading from a 3600 to a used 5800X3D I got for a song was such an excellent performance uplift. 1% lows are noticeably improved running a 3080. I only wish this motherboard had some additional pcie lanes for storage as SSDs are dirt cheap right now.
15:12 do keep in mind dawntrail is around the corner and there's going to be a graphical uplift on it's release. may want to revisit this once the dawntrail benchmark comes out.
I think 6700k or 7700k would be good picks. I was able to find a system my school was getting rid of with one, and they were quite popular. That way the content has some relation to used parts , rather than other cpus that weren’t as popular.
Important thing to note for owners of 2700 and 2700x is that this testing was done with a 4090. So if you are on some gpu like the RX6600xt or RTX2060 you are not missing out on much performance in games anyways, due to gpu constraints.
It really depends on your settings. By lowering graphics you allow the CPU to do more work as the GPU is not slowing down the CPU as much. What you said is true to an extent but varies game to game and highly dependent on settings
I went from a 2700x with a 1660 6GB to a 5800X, then 5800X3D, and later on a 3090. Even with the 1660 there was a noticeable difference because CPU heavy games weren’t as CPU limited anymore. Graphic settings exist btw. It’s borderline misinformation to say they wouldn’t be missing out on much.
Consider that 5800x3D and a 2060 6GB will not be better at any game than a 5600x and a 2080ti. You can feel great that you are pulling the 100% from that 2060 and look down on the poor sob that is getting just 90% from his 2080ti..
Upgraded from 1800x to 5800x3D with my x370 motherboard! I'm glad motherboard vendors finally got around after awhile to support them. Great value from 1st gen Ryzen launching!
After a long run with Intel, I've just decided to switch back to AMD and upgraded from a i7 8700k to a 7800X3D and the FPS improvement has been nuts on some games. On baldur's gate 3 I'd get very significant FPS drops (down to like 40fps) in denser areas especially in Act 3, while now I'm running at 100+ FPS all the time on 3440x1440 resolution with maxed out graphics and DLAA. And I don't know but there's something that really appeals to me when you look at how elegantly efficient this thing is compared to the other CPUs.
Loving the content and "nostalgia": my 1st Ryzen cpu around 2018 was a 2700x, bought from a local Micro Center...and later to a 3700x, 5700x and now a 5800X3D. (around the same time I got the 2700x, is when I started watching Gamers Neuxs!). I am very much satisfied with AM4 for what I do with my build, and not so much in a hurry to upgrade to AM5, but it does offer a compelling proposition in performace as an upgrade path, especially with the 7800X3D cpu. Again thanks for the content. Well done!
just picked up a 5600x3d at microcenter last week for 156.12, it was a one day sale and i dunno if it was a mistake or not but the next day it went to 199.99 and now its 229.99 again. with that being said, i honestly cant believe how much better at gaming it is, some games where my gpu was already maxed it didnt matter but other games that didnt utilize all the gpu or older games run just amazing and much better than the 3600 i had.
I went from the 2700X to a 5600X 3 years ago and I had quite a massive boost of performance. Some games like the Assassins Creed went from lots of lags and stutters to silky smooth frametimes and average fps. The IPC on the 2700X cores is simply not enough. Less than 2 years into having it, I was regretting my choice. I had a RX 480 8 Gb when I did the upgrade and I'll tell you, that card still had a lot of performance left on the table. It was a huge improvement. The 2700X was a poor overclocker for me even when I used only the boost clock on all cores. I found that the 5600X wasn't keeping its boost clock and it was hardly reaching 4.4 Ghz on only 2 cores and the rest at like 3.8/4.0 so I OC'd the cpu to make it run all cores at 4.5 Ghz without touching the voltage and it's rock solid. I like my 5600X very much and it still kick asses 3 years later. I've had a lot of CPUs in the 25 years I've been building my PCs and it seems I'll get the longer utilisation off that great 5600X. What a great generation of CPUs! The transition on the same MB went smoothly but I still got a x570 (had a x470 before) used MB some time later for the newest gen of PCI.
This is cool, my first bottom up PC build I went AMD 2700, then 2700x. Am pretty happy to see a new video on this cpu that was part of my first jump into the PC scene. Before that all I did was stuff like a gpu swap from a pc buoght from walmart or someplace llike that.
Really interresting. Got a 9700k, still pretty decent but it's my bottleneck paired with a 3080 ti, planning to upgrade to a 7800X3D, was surprised by the content dropping right on time and it looks like I wasn't expecting that much of an upgrade, thanks Steve!
Regarding the "re-install OS" point towards the end of the video, I would like to see a *dedicated video* for this topic and whether re-installing Windows can have a *noticeable* impact on gaming frame rates.
Wow what a crazy coincidence! I was debating for weeks now whether to upgrade my 2700X to either one of these X3D options. Some great Black Friday sales are on for them. This review couldn’t have been more timely. Ty
Went from a 2700X to 5800X3D last year because I noticed it started to show its age. Those 50-100% boosts to FPS, usually including lows, are no joke. As a side note, those FFXIV numbers from the benchmark tool still don't compare to playing online with actual players. Same applies to any online multiplayer game obviously. And I understand it's impossible to get consistent meaningful data like that, besides something crazy like running through the newest alliance raids and Limsa Lominsa during busy hours with 40 different botted systems at the same time.
Thanks for this informational piece. It's nice to see how effective an upgrade from a 2700X to an 5800X3D. Heck considering most of my day to day games are CPU bound, this'll help a lot as a slot in upgrade
I'm still on a 1600AF, have been wondering if I should splurge for a 5800X3D, but I suppose I'll wait it out a few years longer and see where the used prices end up. On a related note, I'm also trying to determine which would be more beneficial to me right now, a cpu upgrade or a gpu upgrade. Trouble is I don't want to spend too much on a gpu. It feels like I can get way more for my money with a cpu upgrade worth $300 than trying to get a $300-$350 gpu (my current one is a 5600XT).
I'm on a RX 5700XT GPU, and went from Ryzen 2600 to a used 5600 for 100€ because Elden Ring refused to play nice and give consistent 60fps in fights no matter how low I put the settings, always stuttering down to 40fps. The upgrade fixed that issue entirely. If budget is your concern, then I think a used Ryzen 5000 CPU will help you way more. Used CPUs are on the safer side in terms of components, the only way you won't be satisfied is if you get blatantly scammed or the previous owner was positively disastrous with handling.
You should retest the 10900k. The weird 10 core intel chip that outperformed the 11th Gen 8 core equivalent. And was considered a hotbox at the time but now considered not awful by modern intel standards.
Not by much you mind and actually merely rival it. Rocket Lake got a lot flak for no good reason at the time. People fell for 10-core Comet Lake and ignoring that it throttled like crazy and also drink power at maxmium load. Comet Lake's only shinning grace is that lesser SKUs were basically cheap 8700Ks (10600K) and 9900Ks (10700K).
@@Krogoth512 11th Gen also throttled hard. And no successor should ever be slower than the predecessor in any way. Any all core load favored the 10900k. As with all modern intel chips, you need to undervolt or use water cooling if you plan on hitting any of their chips with a full CPU load these days, but the 10900k is actually easier to cool than modern intel chips.
@@legostarwarsrulez everything since Coffee Lake throttles hard if you throw a taxing load at it unless you got exotic cooling. 10900K was very infamous for this. I just find it very bizarre that Rocket Lake chips got hit by the throttling at heavy load notion while its predecessors got a pass for doing the exact same thing. Rocket Lake family are faster then their predecessors at most workloads. The problem was that Zen3 came months prior and it couldn't catch up with it and consume less power at load.
@@Krogoth512 10th Gen was criticized pretty hard for being hotboxes that throttled. The reason rocket lake was vilified is because it (specifically the 11900k) managed to be even harder to cool, and draw even more power (almost 300 watts compared to 250), while still losing to the 10900k in multicore workloads. Partially since it was a backported design meant for a smaller node, that intel scrambled to fit onto 14nm since the smaller nodes weren’t ready yet. I do like that it supported AVX 512, but for normal consumers, it just never made sense to buy an 11th Gen part when 10th Gen was every bit as good, and more efficient.
The 2700X will always have a soft spot in my heart. I saved up for it after landing my first job at a computer shop. It was my first taste of a true 8 Core CPU. Something especially cool since i upgraded from an FX 8350. I also got a 1070ti from Best Buy, right before the first shortage happened. Now I have a 5700X and a 3060ti, and the generational improvements have been wonderful.
Thank you very much @GamersNexus I needed this I am still using the Ryzen 7 2700X, my GPU is the RTX4070Ti and I was thinking of going to Z790 with a 13th or 14th gen Core i7 CPU.
I upgraded to this during the massive newegg sale price on these. The 2700x is still a very nice cpu but it is holding my 3080 (10gb) back. But that is why im patient on upgrading, and im happy with my current build and case. Thank you for putting this out there. I was curious on your benchmarks and revisiting it take on the cpu.
Because of how good the 5800X3D is for gaming, when it's floating around $300 it's hard to pass on it because it's worth the extra cost over something like a 2700 which I wouldn't want to use in a system for a few years for gaming. For general purpose PC use cases it's fine, but even the 5800X3D doesn't keep up with the best GPUs Nvidia put out. I got a couple when Micro Center put them down to $280 USD. And really, before I bought a 2700 or 2700X, I'd drop down 2 cores and get a 5600 which are very low cost.
I actually have a 2600x right now and I've been looking into my upgrade options, I would LOVE to build a new system from the ground up around a 7800X3D but money is an issue there so being able to look at my other AM4 options and how they stack up has been really beneficial
Great video, looks like I need to go for an upgrade been looking at 7800x3D, 7800XT, and Gigabyte B650 Aorus Elite AX, but a lot of things are gonna happen next year.
We've reviewed lots of CPUs over the years. It is absolutely insane that the 2700 and 5800X3D can go in the same socket with such a wide performance gap between them. Still cool to see it -- hopefully both Intel and AMD do more of this, although probably motherboard manufacturers aren't too happy about it!
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I got into the habit of referring to that time as the "techpocalypse".
@@hatchetman3662 That sounds like a JayzTwoCents quote!
@@GamersNexus HAHA! It may be. If so, unintentional.
I wonder why GN doesnt benchmark the 7900x3d. I know its a joke of a product by AMD (unfortunately i bought it before the 7800X3D came out due to the timing when i wanted to build my dream 4090 PC. I got the 4090 for 800 bucks due a friend of mine who sold it because her son got a bad report card)
I'd like to see a video on ATX 3.1 and PCIe 5.1 ...
Went from a 1600X to a 5800X3D on my original X370 motherboard! It's unbelievable the value proposition that I got from building a PC with first gen Ryzen.
Crazy big jump in performance. How'd the board hold up? Any issues? Did you do a new OS also? Just curious about the stability!
@@JayzBeerz oh no, not the 1% potential performance loss if he's using a pcie 4.0 x16 card oh my goodness gracious
@@GamersNexus Thought I'd chime since my situation very similiar
I went from 1800x on tai chi x370 and 580, to 5800x3d and a 6900xt toxic.
I had no cpu issues, finally got ram working at rated speed (no pbo2 though), and sporadic gpu driver crashes and random for a few update cycles. Been good though for a bit now on that. Wish I knew how goid/bad pcie 3/4 really is. Saw simulated bench that says it's minor.
It really is impressive the gains in vr and framerate. A very very solid upgrade r from years old motherboard.
@@GamersNexus It's snappier, and actually more stable. My 1600X hated the Gskill 3200 MT/s RAM kit I bought, and would only run it at 2966 or whatever that step was. It's running full speed no problems now, and I've had no issues with the same windows install. The board is doing great! It's an ASUS Prime X370 Pro. It got multiple BIOS updates to support 5th gen Ryzen and it also got resizable BAR somewhere down the line (which I thought was only really for PCIE4?).
I know I'm missing out on PCIE Gen 4 but I am not sure spending ~100-150 bucks is worth the uplift. It may make a bigger difference to me now than it would've earlier this year as I upgraded my GPU too from a GTX1080 to a 6950XT when they went on a flash sale this spring. (actually the 5800X3d was on sale for 270 USD on amazon, couldn't pass that up)
All in all I really don't regret the upgrade. It changed my every day computing experience and the gaming improvement has been amazing.
@@JayzBeerz not at all, even ignoring you don't know what gpu he has in the first place.
Just upgraded from a R5 1600 to a 5600 because they were going for peanuts (something like 110 usd new). Massively extended the life of my hardware, felt awesome
I did the same, very happy with it. I don't think I'll need CPU upgrade in the near future.
Same, was bottlenecking with 3060ti.. now I get about 60-70% more fps with r5 5600 compared to r5 1600
looking at a simialr upgrade myself 2600x to 5600(x). looking at like 50% uplift on CPU scores and games.
i upgraded my r3 1200 af to a 5600 and regretted it lol (aside from rpsc3 actually being playable)
wouldve preffered spending that 200 euro on more storage or something tbh
I upgraded from 3200g to 5600 also from RX 580 to RX 6600xt. Solid AMD for me, I just game I don't do anything else. Price to performance is good.
Went from a 3600 to a 5800x3d on a b450 board. Love it and its really cool how upgradeable the am4 platform is.
I'll hopefully soon be on the same boat with you. Currently on 3600 with a 3070ti on b450. I'm on the fence if I should upgrade the same way you did, or wait for the next gen of CPUs to be more current, but much more pricer having to worry about a new Mobo and ram.
Did a similar upgrade early this year. 3700X to the 5800X3D. Maxing out AM4 was a good choice lol
1700x to 5800X3D
Why did you pick it over a Ryzen 9 5900?
Does your mobo allow PBO on the X3D? I wish my ROG b450f would.
The 2700X was the CPU I built for my dad with a 1080ti back in 2018. He's always loved it and gamed religiously on it until his passing on 11/16/2023. I walked into his home and the computer was on from the night before of recording music and playing new world on it. He passed away in his sleep watching his computer screen. I love you dad and I'll never forget you.
Sounds like an awesome guy who died doing what he loved. Thanks for sharing. RIP.
If 5700X3D and 5500X3D gets released next year 2024, it'd mean that AM4 had total 9 years of CPU releases on it, as the first CPU generation for AM4 is not even Ryzen, not even A12-98XX, but the A12-88XX series (Carrizo) on OEM mini PCs in 2016. In the same socket they went from 28nm 3rd gen 2/4-core Bulldozer to 3rd Zen with 3D cache. It passed LGA775 as the longest supported socket generation this year.
im actually waiting for those. Targetting an X3D chip to upgrade from my 1st gen Ryzen.
they're not gonna release more variants of 5000-X3D cpus. The 5600X3D is binned down from failed 5800X3Ds and there was a limited amount of those too. The binning/yields of 5800X3Ds were so good that there was little need for AMD to downgrade them.
@@hydrosmusic There were some reports/ leaks from earlier this week that AMD is readying a 5700X3D and another 6-core X3D chip as well. I didn't expect this either, but the leaker has been reliable in the past, so many different media outlets have reported on this alleged leak.
@@leorickpccenter don't get your hopes up, the 5700X3D and the 5500X3D (if those even really exist) are probably going to be a small batch of CPUs that where 5800X3Ds who weren't stable as an 5800X3D and had to be binned down (just like the 5600X3D was), if those do hit the market there's a good chance it's going to be a limited run, furthermore the stock for the 5800X3D isn't going to last forever! If it runs out you'll have to upgrade to AM5
I refuse to get another 5000 series chip. If an upgrade will be next year. Most likely be the 9000 series. From now on will most likely get X3D and see what the big deal is.
Bought a 5800X3D for $100 locally because the seller claimed “5000 CPUs were more or less the same” and I wasn’t gonna change his mind. I was blown away at how good it was. Matched my 12700K. It now sits snugly in a friend’s build.
5800x3D is significantly slower than a 12700k in MT and productivity. It only hangs with it in gaming.
When your opponent makes a mistake, you don't interrupt them
@@__aceofspades "X3D" cpu's are made specifically for gaming, and the 5800X3D will hang pretty well with the 15700k as well, if Intel doesn't significantly increase its cache.
True about MT and productivity.
Probably was someone who got it for a workstation, if that's the case then he wasn't wrong! The 5800X3D performs worse than the stock 5800X and a 5700X with PBO enabled, while costing more. It's an excellent CPU for gaming but it's a waste of money for everything else!
@@Effect-Without-Causehow when the 13600k performs better
I am in love with your power efficiency charts, so rarely covered by other reviewers - THANK YOU!! 💕
I love these revisits to older hardware videos to see how they stack up. A GPU one would be very useful too!
AM4 really was something special. I started with a 1600 that struggled to compete with my sisters 8600k. but now I run the same Motherboard ram and cooler with a 5800X3D that leaves her 9900k in the dust.
5800x3D leave even 10900k in the dust let alone 9900k
You should disown her.
Intel peasants are beneath you now
@@thefurmidablecatlucky3 it outperforms the 13900k in some scenarios, until gen 13th anything before that is trashed by the 5800x3d which makes it a great processor as of 2023
… just what. Where did the 9900k come from. Where did the 8600k go. Where did you come from Cotton-Eyed Joe
@italianbasegard we both upgraded around the same time, and whilst she went for intel, I went for AMD. The cpu changes are just us going from what we could afford at the time to the best ones we could get for our setups without ripping out the motherboard.
The 8600K and 8700K would be a great revisit. I know many, many people who bought in that generation because of the increase in core counts.
I still have a laptop I use with a i7-7600U... then I checked and there are a grand total of TWO CORES.
Went from a 1600X to a 5800X3D on my B350 I got during ryzen 5 launch week all the way back in 2017. Perfect slot in upgrade, no stability issues at all. I did eventually upgrade to a B550 because I got a 2TB 980 Pro for $99 and needed somewhere to put it (got a good deal on the mobo, too) 😆
Oh God the envy.
Went from core2quad to 2700x several years ago and the improvement was staggering. Upgraded to a 5800x3d last month on the same board and oh man. AM4 💪
Similar for me. I ran a Intel 2700k @ OC 4.7ghz for about 7years. When the 2700X went on a black friday sale on Amazon in Nov 2019 I finally took the plunge. I then saw the 1600AF (2600) for $85 and started building budget B450 rigs to replace a bunch of even older systems like a i7 920 in a Media PC. Slowly built a few more for each family member and now I have a total of 9 in the house. 8 with x570 and one with b550 all with Zen3 5600G,5600,5600X,5800x,5900x. I won't run these for 7years but I plan to still run them for at least 3-4more years as they are Gen4 support with 6000 series GPU's. AM4 was a great socket to upgrade on. Never in my PC life have I swapped out CPU's so much from 1600AF,2700X,3600,3700x,5600x,5900x etc. Some rigs saw 4 CPU's as I found great used deals and sold what I had for usually the same price. Fun time but they are all built out now. I game at nearly 4k resolution so my 5900x will last a while as my 6900XT won't really push it targeting 238fps or less.
@@45eno I hope you undervolted that 1600AF for the media PC, bc idle that uses 30W.
Not going to lie, it would make more sense to get a i3 4100.
Same but had 6300
Depending on price might do intel rather than 5800 cpu only.
@@MaxIronsThird I already sold off all older am4 cpus. They all have 5600,5600x ,5800x ,5900x now. And the monitoring software didn’t show 30 watts at idle.
I went from a 2700x with a 1070ti to a 5800x3d with a 4070 and can certainly say that the difference was night and day. I do wish however that pricing was more similar to when I bought the 2700x tho.
almost did the same thing went from Ryzen 7 3700X to 5800x3d with RTX 4070Ti and day and night difference. Double the performance on most AAA Titles..
@@davidcole2337 Well you did start with a turd.
@@kramnull8962 I don't see how the 3700x was a turd considering it was actually a great chip for the time due to it's pricing and what it offered being a full 8 core 16 thread cpu with overclocking potential. I used the 3600 for a couple years and I've only had issues with performance on that chip in a couple titles.
Similar...
I had 2070 super and 2600.
Went to 5600x - big upgrade
Then went to 4080 - big upgrade again
Then went to AM5 and 7800x3d - big upgrade again!
Difference between the 7800x3d with 4080 and the 2600 with a 2070 super was OK.
Not worth the money... But can't deny the performance
Sad to hear that you scammed yourself with a 4070 💀
A neat video or I guess multi part series idea would be a "What's a better upgrade path, CPU or GPU?" Where you could test to see what % uplift you get from upgrading one or the other in multiple games. It sure would be a lot of work testing all that hardware but it may be interesting.
holy crap this is the exact upgrade path I was planning to do and wondered the gain in performance to price! Thank you!!
Thank you for making a modern review of a recent yet older product. I've been looking at upgrading from hardware a generation older than you reviewed, and this really helps put things in perspective. Really glad to see this as well as your focus on the website!
It is insane on how well the 5800X3D is holding despite being over a year and a half old at this point. It’s the GTX 1080Ti of CPUs.
Definitely! Until there are more people with AM5 CPUs than AM4 CPUs, the 5800X3D will remain a very high demand drop in upgrades!
That is such a good comparison 😂
I don't see how it's comparable to 1080 Ti but ok
@mitsuhh then you should fix your eyes.
Come back when you can reply like an adult@@formdoggie5
These sorts of videos is why I'm subscribed to this channel. I'm still on AM4 an was looking for something that would put it in perspective. Great work as usual. Keep it up
This was very helpful in showing what an upgrade would give me. Have a 9600K and am looking to upgrade within the next year, been keeping track of Black Friday just in case.
Thanks so much for this revisit! I’m still on my 2700X and only started tweaking it recently but been getting the itch to upgrade something.
I think the i7 9700K would be the most interesting Intel revisit. There was a lot of worry 8C/8T would cause issues in then future games, which are now current games. Would be interesting to see that tested given how CPU demanding some releases this year have been.
From experience, that CPU has held up almost as well as the 10700K and 9900K. 8 core doesn't suffer as much for lacking HT since it still has 8 whole cores to multi-task on, where older chips had 4.
The 6 core 8th gen i5 has aged kinda gracefully too. Having 2 physical cores more than the older quads, even without HT, puts it above the 4c8t chips.
Very little, and I'm assuming this is why Intel is dropping it with Arrow Lake. The small delta between the 9700k and 9900k could mostly be accounted to pure clock speed increases in most situations. Hyperthreading was a game changer when we were on 1-2 core CPUs because previously your background tasks would leak into your gaming threads. But it was never any kind of doubling of performance. A core is still a core that runs 1 thread fast or 2 threads half as fast. As we've gained more and more cores the benefits of HT have given ever diminishing returns. Especially now that we have E cores sitting on the bench waiting to be called into the game as well as AMD's plans to introduce their own version of E cores.
I'm quite interested to see what Arrow Lake brings because we're at speeds now where the biggest hurdle is fighting the laws of physics. ANY way you can shorten that overall pipeline will give notable gains and this is why the X3D chips punch well above their weight class. The 9700k only had HT disabled. Arrow Lake will have it totally removed. I would imagine that could be beneficial once you're at 6-8 cores, with the only question being HOW beneficial for intense lower thread count vs detrimental in high thread count parallel tasks like rendering. But you have to remember a lot of high thread uses like rendering don't care about VCache and usually run much faster on a GPU anyways.
At the very least we have some interesting architectures coming up in the next few years. Too bad we don't have the same competition in the GPU space.
@@zodwraith5745 They're not dropping it, it's not that simple, Arrow Lake was designed with something better(Rentable Units), but isn't working well enough to ship on time, so they're waiting for Nova Lake, so they can't just go back and add HT to Arrow Lake, the chip would have to be redesigned.
Games like Cyberpunk where the engine clearly uses evey single thread, will have a 20% to 30% reduction in performance, but UE5 games where only 10 threads at the most are in use, will see no difference at all.
Plus APO released with RPL-R makes sure the E-Cores are also used for games, but it needs to be tuned by Intel, on a game by game basis.
especially when gaming in 4K where it would be just as fast as a 14900 or 7800X3D ... because at that rez all of them would be GPU bound
@@blaken3824 BG3, Starfield and Jedi Survivor shows you that's not entirely true.
I use a 9900K, and while HU did two full videos revisiting that and the 3700X, itd still be cool to see your data and perspective on the cpu I currently use as Im considering upgrading to a current gen platform. Thank you, and great video!
Amazing work Steve, thank you guys for such a great channel
Was just thinking about upgrading from a R5 3600 which seems pretty close and it’s on these graphs! Good timing
8700K and 9900K seem like a natural choice given the age of the 2700/X CPU's for a follow up Intel video.
I'm still running my 8700k with a 3080 GPU. It's way past GPU/SSD/mobo upgrade. Love to see the real world jumps in FPS.
9700K as well. Not just because I own one but because it’s an interesting CPU. It’s the most powerful CPU that doesn’t have HT since all of them since then have had HT. the lack of threads didn’t hurt it back then thanks to 8 cores but might now.
9600K user here, would love a comparison like this
Totally agree.
@@wertywerrtyson5529 Lack of HT hurt it back then, but typical way of benchmarking (AVG and LOWS graphs) don't show it well. Check e.g. Digital Foundry CPU reviews comparing i7 to i9 and you will see clearly that 9700K most of the time gives similar framerate, but it's more likely to drop it, so stutter.
super helpful video this is exactly what i was looking for thinking about pulling the trigger on the 5800x3d
I'm going from a 7700k to a 7800x3D, going to be a massive jump in performance which is exciting to see. Build to be complete early next month.
I dunno bro you only got one additional X, 3 and D +100 pionts, but you are going to 0 ks, which besides X is a very important metric to use when buying products.
@@XX-_-XX420 Yes but it also has an 8 which is more than 7.
Would be cool to see i5 8400 revisted. Intel was releasing CPUs without SMT at that time, including the i7 9700K which is bizarre, and I wonder how that aged.
I wouldn't be surprised if the 9700k pulls through on oddballs like starfield as thats one of the few modern games that still gets a performance hit with SMT.
I second the i5-8400 if only because that's what I was using until last year when I upgraded to the 5800x3d.
Just look at benchmarks with HT on vs off and there;s your 9700k review.
Depends on the game, some benefit and others don't.
Some claim that HT has a huge latency impact but click tto display latency is the exact same. What they are referring to is an article Intel wrote in 2017 saying that Hyperthreading does add latency, but didn't give any numbers or applications.
The 8400 was dirt cheap, and performed well for many years. There was a time when 9900k chips were going for relatively cheap (I think a Black Friday time) and it was a solid upgrade path.
AM4 is by far the winning platform, but I think Intel 8th/9th gen CPUs were still great. As the video says, the CPU space has been a nice place for the last while.
@@emlyndewar 10850k was an absolute steal as well, just like the 12700KF is (or was).
I would like to see the 8700/k and the 9700/k. I still find it bizarre that Intel decided just to skip hyperthreading on the 9700
I assume that 9700k were/are 9900k where hyperthreading wasn't stable. I can only overclock mine to 4.9ghz on all cores
@@thomasullmann7447 you say only, but the best I could get was 4.7GHz all core
Don't forget to include a 7700K! It's the last flagship of Intel's glorious 4 core days before AMD bullied them into adding more cores.
This has my vote
I still use the 8700k and can almost get 5Ghz and I want to see how much performance gain I get if I upgrade
Love the Blender power efficiency chart!
Keep doing it :)
Another great video, by looking back you show such a nice comparison for looking ahead. 🙏
I miss this CPU so much! The MSI board I used with it a few months ago died because one of the PCI-E slots had a trace catch fire. Excited to feel that performance uplift whenever I'm able to get grab current gen hardware. Bless up, Steve and co!
i like this style of video, not everyone can afford the latest/greatest.
These ones are fun to make. Good to get a retrospective.
Nice re-visit as always, performance upgrade possibility for first am4 chipset is incredible.
That time was anniversary discount for Asus Crosshair VI and price was around 140euro (hero) and 180e (extreme) for new ones.
Pair it with ryzen 5xxx, rofl. And posibility of holes for AM3 cooler :-D ...
(i am running on vi extreme, 3950x (before fx8370) with V8 GTS cooler :-D).
Anyway, Also could by interesting compare temperature. That time was stock settings of cpu so much cooler than now.
Would love to see more power consumption charts like idle, low load (e.g. video playback) or gaming numbers along with the full load blender numbers.
Absolutely loving the new website, keep up the incredible work!
Really wanted a video from you guys covering these cpu's, amazing!
Helpful video! Upgraded from a launch 3700x to the 5800x3d a while back and love it. I went a little overkill with my mobo when I got the 3700x (Crosshair VIII HERO) so it was great to get more value out of that original purchase.
Love the energy efficiency charts, would be amazing to have these with more than blender benches! ❤
note that is when using all cores full load. when gaming there is very little difference like maybe 80 watts and that's only with a select few games. I used to be hung up on power efficiency but have since learned that when gaming none of them use as much as the GPU.
When they eventually come out (because they always seem to get released later), I REALLY wish you would consider adding the 3700x, 5700x and 7700x, etc., in to the charts. With the added cores, but same TDP, I've always wanted to see where they fit in compared to the other CPUs. Have the 3600x, 5600x, and 7600x, etc., (and later the 8600x?) in the initial release charts, but swap out the _600x later (if needed) for the _700x versions. Great content, as always, appreciate it. Thanks!
Literally the vid i needed at the time i needed it. Awesome.
Awesome to hear! Hope it helps on the upgrade plans!
My huge thanks to you for including Stellaris simulation in your tests. Best wishes and good health to you.
Love these videos. So much good info.
It's really cool to see you guys revisiting these older CPUs! Like you said, it's absolutely insane the performance jump that's possible on this socket. Love to see it!
This is probably too niche, but I'd be interested to get a look at how X99 CPUs stack up today. I still have an older system with a 5930k that's chugging along like a champ, but it's showing it's age. I'd like to see if any drop-in upgrades like the 6900k or 6950x would be worth it.
I think basically any cpu like that is about equal to a 8700K if it has 6 cores. or a higher core count 8700K if they have more. all 14++++++++++++++++++++++ cpus arent that diffrent with speeds, just core count at the end. sometimes they even got slower with the 5775C vs the 7700k for example ( not true in all cases but a good amount). 8700K should have a bit better single core speed but X99 has much better memory speeds.
I'm still on the 2700x, so glad you guys mad this video!
Started with a 1500 in my AM4 board years ago at this point. The same board has now seen a 1700x, and a 5900X that it runs to this day...
AM4 really was somethin' special. Both of those old CPUs have continued lives in server machines now. If only GPU's could have ended up in a similar situation.
This was so useful, Thank you!
Hey Steve, it's cool you put the note on the thermal paste used!
Just wondering if you see any difference between MX-4 and MX-5 if you've bothered using both. I get great results with MX-4 but I bought a tube of MX-5, just haven't gotten around to using/needing to use it yet.
upgraded from a 2700X to a 5950X a year ago and the performance improvements were insane, compile jobs are 2-3x faster. Kept the same X470 board. Truly an amazing platform
Thank you! I've been hanging on with my 2700x and it starts to show. Been looking for a 5800x3d, since simple upgrade. Rog maximus here vii wifi still works nicely and really don't want to switch memory yet, because I went on the 3600 cl14 back then.
Thanks for this video!
Man I really love when you guys do these type of videos. Its nice to see an older platform get some love even if its not really that old. Ive been running a 5950x for well over a year and it is one of my best purchases. Got it paired with a 7900xtx as well
Same setup. The 5950x is my favorite PC part of all time. Can't believe how much I can do with it and at only ~110w. The gaming might be falling behind, but 100% not a problem when I'm using it.
^ getting the 5950x upgrade from my custom prebuild has allowed me to realize my current home business and has been a sturdy granite stepping tool i can rely on 24-7, as well as game/test everything in my dreamachine with 4090 FE. No bottle necks yet, when set up properly..
Glad to see these kinds of reviews, still running a 2700X with a 2060 NZXT-G12 on a B450 and its great to see a breakdown of the possible upgrade paths. Got my eye on the 56-800X with an RX 6700 in the near future.
Same here im also still using a 2700x its been a great CPU I have mine paired with a rx6750 xt iv been waiting for black Friday to upgrade think im going to go to microcenter and snag that r5 5600x3d and pass the 2700x to my wife she has a r3 2300x in her pc so it would make a good upgrade for her
I'm glad this CPU is being covered as I have a R7 2700 myself. Through many videos I've come across bench marking the R5, I've rarely seen any videos show the performance of what my CPU can do which I perceive as good news. Since these new games are now making use of the R7 chips now, I think I'll bump myself up to a R9 series w/out the need to get an AM5 MOBO in the future. It's good to see the R7 2700 still keeping up with new and current games though, makes me grateful I went sort of big when I did!
Nice video :D .Steve, I would like to see i7 socket 2011 and its Quad Channel benchmarks , I don't find much contents about the i7 on this socket , and it works very well today on latest games .
These are the types of videos that need to happen every few generations. Having a reputable source compare older hardware to newer hardware to determine if an upgrade is worth the money is so nice.
absolutely, now that we're out of the chip shortage and scalping isn't really a problem I'm back to keeping an eye on the market and what's being released even though I'm not in need of an upgrade quite yet
I have a 1700 in one machine, and a 3600 in another. No real rush to upgrade either. I'll probably either buy used 5800x3ds or 5950xs in the next couple years, or just upgrade to AM5. let's be real, probably both if the AM4 cpus are cheap enough.
If you're not feeling a strong reason to upgrade yet, nothing wrong with saving the money (and parts) and waiting until it feels necessary. The used upgrade path works well with AM4.
Still rocking my 1700 in my main rig, I dont exactly play super demanding games so after I fixed the memory issues its been great.
Plot twist: OP is actually Elon Musk.
I got a 1700X and X370 back in the launch. Didn't keep it very long though because I switched to the 8700K/Coffee Lake but man I wish I would've kept going with it and just now drop in a 5800X3D in it. I really like these "old parts" comparisons you do, they're very interesting.
I started on AM4 with an R3 1600. Then upgraded to an R7 3700X. And just last week I upgraded to a 5800X3D. All with the same hardware I bought back in 2019. I easily see another 2-3 years of life in my machine and I couldn't be happier with the performance gain in gaming I've gotten. The AM4 platform was truly a blessing for PC users and I really hope AMD treats the AM5 platform just as well.
I’d love to see a comparison on the 10700k. That seems to be the point where people who usually wouldn’t entertain switching to AMD started looking at it
I’m relatively new to the PC scene with my first CPU having been the i5-9600K. That could be interesting to look at. I flip computers now and focus on the used value oriented part of the market. The R5 3600 remains a favorite choice and would be a great candidate for a revisit.
I'm still so thankful that when I built my budget system a few years back I watched your content on the R5 3600 release. Bought the 5800X3D on black friday last year and sold my 3600 on ebay... such a crazy budget friendly solution over the years for gaming. I see zero need to upgrade for the next few years now just as the 5800X3D still performs so well.
I have never been so personally targeted by a video and I am loving it. Thank you for all your hard work and efforts. This was amazing!
Upgrading from a 3600 to a used 5800X3D I got for a song was such an excellent performance uplift. 1% lows are noticeably improved running a 3080. I only wish this motherboard had some additional pcie lanes for storage as SSDs are dirt cheap right now.
Oh my god, I was looking for a video like this ❤❤❤❤❤
15:12 do keep in mind dawntrail is around the corner and there's going to be a graphical uplift on it's release. may want to revisit this once the dawntrail benchmark comes out.
I think 6700k or 7700k would be good picks. I was able to find a system my school was getting rid of with one, and they were quite popular. That way the content has some relation to used parts , rather than other cpus that weren’t as popular.
Important thing to note for owners of 2700 and 2700x is that this testing was done with a 4090. So if you are on some gpu like the RX6600xt or RTX2060 you are not missing out on much performance in games anyways, due to gpu constraints.
It really depends on your settings. By lowering graphics you allow the CPU to do more work as the GPU is not slowing down the CPU as much.
What you said is true to an extent but varies game to game and highly dependent on settings
I went from a 2700x with a 1660 6GB to a 5800X, then 5800X3D, and later on a 3090. Even with the 1660 there was a noticeable difference because CPU heavy games weren’t as CPU limited anymore. Graphic settings exist btw. It’s borderline misinformation to say they wouldn’t be missing out on much.
@@andrewskaterrron higher resolutions the difference is really not that noticeable
Back when I had an 8700k and 2700x system there was a 25 - 30 fps difference across them when I moved my 1080ti between the systems.
Consider that 5800x3D and a 2060 6GB will not be better at any game than a 5600x and a 2080ti. You can feel great that you are pulling the 100% from that 2060 and look down on the poor sob that is getting just 90% from his 2080ti..
Ive just upgraded from the 3600 to a 7700x, I love that youve included yhr 3600 in this testing! I definitely feel good about my upgrade!
Great stuff. Would be great with some ultrawide benchmark also.
Upgraded from 1800x to 5800x3D with my x370 motherboard! I'm glad motherboard vendors finally got around after awhile to support them. Great value from 1st gen Ryzen launching!
After a long run with Intel, I've just decided to switch back to AMD and upgraded from a i7 8700k to a 7800X3D and the FPS improvement has been nuts on some games. On baldur's gate 3 I'd get very significant FPS drops (down to like 40fps) in denser areas especially in Act 3, while now I'm running at 100+ FPS all the time on 3440x1440 resolution with maxed out graphics and DLAA. And I don't know but there's something that really appeals to me when you look at how elegantly efficient this thing is compared to the other CPUs.
I'm sitting on a 2700X and looking to upgrade this Black Friday. Thanks for the excellent timing on this video!
Loving the content and "nostalgia": my 1st Ryzen cpu around 2018 was a 2700x, bought from a local Micro Center...and later to a 3700x, 5700x and now a 5800X3D. (around the same time I got the 2700x, is when I started watching Gamers Neuxs!). I am very much satisfied with AM4 for what I do with my build, and not so much in a hurry to upgrade to AM5, but it does offer a compelling proposition in performace as an upgrade path, especially with the 7800X3D cpu. Again thanks for the content. Well done!
just picked up a 5600x3d at microcenter last week for 156.12, it was a one day sale and i dunno if it was a mistake or not but the next day it went to 199.99 and now its 229.99 again. with that being said, i honestly cant believe how much better at gaming it is, some games where my gpu was already maxed it didnt matter but other games that didnt utilize all the gpu or older games run just amazing and much better than the 3600 i had.
I went from the 2700X to a 5600X 3 years ago and I had quite a massive boost of performance. Some games like the Assassins Creed went from lots of lags and stutters to silky smooth frametimes and average fps. The IPC on the 2700X cores is simply not enough. Less than 2 years into having it, I was regretting my choice. I had a RX 480 8 Gb when I did the upgrade and I'll tell you, that card still had a lot of performance left on the table. It was a huge improvement. The 2700X was a poor overclocker for me even when I used only the boost clock on all cores. I found that the 5600X wasn't keeping its boost clock and it was hardly reaching 4.4 Ghz on only 2 cores and the rest at like 3.8/4.0 so I OC'd the cpu to make it run all cores at 4.5 Ghz without touching the voltage and it's rock solid. I like my 5600X very much and it still kick asses 3 years later. I've had a lot of CPUs in the 25 years I've been building my PCs and it seems I'll get the longer utilisation off that great 5600X. What a great generation of CPUs! The transition on the same MB went smoothly but I still got a x570 (had a x470 before) used MB some time later for the newest gen of PCI.
This is cool, my first bottom up PC build I went AMD 2700, then 2700x. Am pretty happy to see a new video on this cpu that was part of my first jump into the PC scene. Before that all I did was stuff like a gpu swap from a pc buoght from walmart or someplace llike that.
Really interresting. Got a 9700k, still pretty decent but it's my bottleneck paired with a 3080 ti, planning to upgrade to a 7800X3D, was surprised by the content dropping right on time and it looks like I wasn't expecting that much of an upgrade, thanks Steve!
The 5800X3D really is a phenomenal value especially if you play VRChat. Unity, which is what it runs on, REALLY favors 3D V-cache.
Would love to see a review about how the 9700k held up over the years
they will land somewhere between Zen2 and Zen3 SKU at performance but will fall behind at power efficiency.
Regarding the "re-install OS" point towards the end of the video, I would like to see a *dedicated video* for this topic and whether re-installing Windows can have a *noticeable* impact on gaming frame rates.
Wow what a crazy coincidence! I was debating for weeks now whether to upgrade my 2700X to either one of these X3D options. Some great Black Friday sales are on for them. This review couldn’t have been more timely. Ty
I'm still using the 1 1700X lol
@@OneZERROone virgin "need to upgrade every year" vs chad "it still works"
Went from a 2700X to 5800X3D last year because I noticed it started to show its age. Those 50-100% boosts to FPS, usually including lows, are no joke.
As a side note, those FFXIV numbers from the benchmark tool still don't compare to playing online with actual players. Same applies to any online multiplayer game obviously. And I understand it's impossible to get consistent meaningful data like that, besides something crazy like running through the newest alliance raids and Limsa Lominsa during busy hours with 40 different botted systems at the same time.
Thanks for this informational piece. It's nice to see how effective an upgrade from a 2700X to an 5800X3D. Heck considering most of my day to day games are CPU bound, this'll help a lot as a slot in upgrade
Gamer Nexus you are the GOAT -- I have a 2700 base and wanted to upgrade thanks!
I'm still on a 1600AF, have been wondering if I should splurge for a 5800X3D, but I suppose I'll wait it out a few years longer and see where the used prices end up. On a related note, I'm also trying to determine which would be more beneficial to me right now, a cpu upgrade or a gpu upgrade. Trouble is I don't want to spend too much on a gpu. It feels like I can get way more for my money with a cpu upgrade worth $300 than trying to get a $300-$350 gpu (my current one is a 5600XT).
cpu easily
I'm on a RX 5700XT GPU, and went from Ryzen 2600 to a used 5600 for 100€ because Elden Ring refused to play nice and give consistent 60fps in fights no matter how low I put the settings, always stuttering down to 40fps. The upgrade fixed that issue entirely.
If budget is your concern, then I think a used Ryzen 5000 CPU will help you way more. Used CPUs are on the safer side in terms of components, the only way you won't be satisfied is if you get blatantly scammed or the previous owner was positively disastrous with handling.
You should retest the 10900k. The weird 10 core intel chip that outperformed the 11th Gen 8 core equivalent. And was considered a hotbox at the time but now considered not awful by modern intel standards.
Not by much you mind and actually merely rival it. Rocket Lake got a lot flak for no good reason at the time. People fell for 10-core Comet Lake and ignoring that it throttled like crazy and also drink power at maxmium load. Comet Lake's only shinning grace is that lesser SKUs were basically cheap 8700Ks (10600K) and 9900Ks (10700K).
@@Krogoth512 11th Gen also throttled hard. And no successor should ever be slower than the predecessor in any way. Any all core load favored the 10900k.
As with all modern intel chips, you need to undervolt or use water cooling if you plan on hitting any of their chips with a full CPU load these days, but the 10900k is actually easier to cool than modern intel chips.
@@legostarwarsrulez everything since Coffee Lake throttles hard if you throw a taxing load at it unless you got exotic cooling. 10900K was very infamous for this. I just find it very bizarre that Rocket Lake chips got hit by the throttling at heavy load notion while its predecessors got a pass for doing the exact same thing. Rocket Lake family are faster then their predecessors at most workloads. The problem was that Zen3 came months prior and it couldn't catch up with it and consume less power at load.
@@Krogoth512 10th Gen was criticized pretty hard for being hotboxes that throttled. The reason rocket lake was vilified is because it (specifically the 11900k) managed to be even harder to cool, and draw even more power (almost 300 watts compared to 250), while still losing to the 10900k in multicore workloads. Partially since it was a backported design meant for a smaller node, that intel scrambled to fit onto 14nm since the smaller nodes weren’t ready yet.
I do like that it supported AVX 512, but for normal consumers, it just never made sense to buy an 11th Gen part when 10th Gen was every bit as good, and more efficient.
Did you make this video just for me? All good info, hopefully there’s a 5800x3d on sake somewhere for black friday
Just ordered one, should be home in a week. Can't wait!
The 2700X will always have a soft spot in my heart. I saved up for it after landing my first job at a computer shop. It was my first taste of a true 8 Core CPU. Something especially cool since i upgraded from an FX 8350.
I also got a 1070ti from Best Buy, right before the first shortage happened.
Now I have a 5700X and a 3060ti, and the generational improvements have been wonderful.
Haha, I'm still on my 2700X and have a 1070 FE. It is part of the first custom PC I built myself.
@@BeyondLumination You've abused that 1070 long enough.
@@kramnull8962 Nonsense my 1070 Ti has got more years in it! 💪
Went from an intel 4004 to a 5800x3d and im seriously impressed with the uplift!
Thank you very much @GamersNexus I needed this I am still using the Ryzen 7 2700X, my GPU is the RTX4070Ti and I was thinking of going to Z790 with a 13th or 14th gen Core i7 CPU.
I upgraded to this during the massive newegg sale price on these. The 2700x is still a very nice cpu but it is holding my 3080 (10gb) back. But that is why im patient on upgrading, and im happy with my current build and case. Thank you for putting this out there. I was curious on your benchmarks and revisiting it take on the cpu.
Me with my r5 2600💀
Because of how good the 5800X3D is for gaming, when it's floating around $300 it's hard to pass on it because it's worth the extra cost over something like a 2700 which I wouldn't want to use in a system for a few years for gaming. For general purpose PC use cases it's fine, but even the 5800X3D doesn't keep up with the best GPUs Nvidia put out. I got a couple when Micro Center put them down to $280 USD.
And really, before I bought a 2700 or 2700X, I'd drop down 2 cores and get a 5600 which are very low cost.
I actually have a 2600x right now and I've been looking into my upgrade options, I would LOVE to build a new system from the ground up around a 7800X3D but money is an issue there so being able to look at my other AM4 options and how they stack up has been really beneficial
great video, thanks :)
Great video, looks like I need to go for an upgrade been looking at 7800x3D, 7800XT, and Gigabyte B650 Aorus Elite AX, but a lot of things are gonna happen next year.