Owners Review: 2021 Tiffin Wayfarer 25RW
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- čas přidán 26. 07. 2021
- Hello everyone! We just got back from another short trip to 7 Feathers - this time Eric got to go. We had a great time and thought it was high time we shared a little more about how we feel about our decision to make such a large purchase in buying a new 2021 Tiffin Wayfarer 25RW.
It's really a great-driving, super comfortable little motorhome that has some great capabilities. We show you around ours and talk about things we like and a few things that need to be fixed. As always, when choosing an RV, there are a lot of compromises, but we feel this Tiffin Wayfarer model gave us the most with the least compromises to what we wanted and we're so happy we purchased it. We're having a ton of fun with it.
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Thank you for all the links. Love the magnet idea!
Great job! We too are planning in fall for warranty issues at RV Corral, maybe see you folks 😃
We just traded our class B for a 23 TW. It's not as open, but offers more privacy and storage. Cute dogs. We have an iggy, too.
The TW has more carry capacity I think. Nice!
I really appreciate you providing this review by owner! Do you miss having a ladder to the roof? Also, are you happy with the theater seating vs a eating booth? Have you towed a vehicle? Thanks!
Have not towed a vehicle yet not sure if we’re going to at this point so far we’re going close to home so we’re just driving our mini separately. We don’t miss having a ladder to the roof I have a retracting ladder that I used to get up on the roof when needed so far I’m not carrying that with me I just use it when I’m at home. As far as the theater seats I absolutely love them they are the most comfortable things you could probably sleep a couple people in them if you need to they’re super great for sitting there while you’re eating and of course relaxing snoozing and just enjoying time with my wife. From what I’ve heard of other owners the dinette is very compact and it’s too short of a distance to sleep any sort of adults unless it’s a very short person or a child so it’s usefulness is somewhat limited it’s also a very small table top and so using it for playing games or the like is not really ideal for us either so that’s why we definitely chose the theater seats.
We purchased a 2021 Wayfarer RW back in August 2020. Have taken it cross country and all around southwest. We too got the older style door as we like the TV mounted over the door. The only difference I see is that our generator is where your propane is and vice versa. Did you all get the lithium ion battery option? We did and love it. I added a second solar panel for even more charging.
hi Joseph - no we have the regular batteries - we can always swap out for the Lithium later and more solar. I think they moved the generator when the re-did the shower. Do you have a storage location at the very rear on the passenger side? Is the shower a bit of a step to get into? Our shower is at the same level as the floor and there is no storage at the very rear on the passenger side since that's where the shower plumbing is now.
Thanks for starting your channel we are getting a new 2022 Wayfarer tomorrow cannot wait where did y’all get your cover for your front windshield thanks Larry and Deborah
Oh absolutely. Thanks for joining us. Are you on the Facebook Wayfarer Owner's group it's tremendously helpful. facebook.com/groups/182126562363457/ As far as the cover for the front windshield, this is the one we have: says its for 2016-current and it does fit really well: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07WTN7SH1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Thank you for all the information you provide. Is the bed comfortable and are there plugs on each side of the bed?
The bed is pretty great. We added a 2" cooling memory foam topper and mattress pad which really elevated the sleeping experience. You can leave this on along with all sheets and blankets when you fold up the bed. There are plugs on one side but not both sides of the bed. The plugs are on the side closest to the dinette/theater seats. On the bathroom side, you could wrap your plugs around through the bathroom with a short extension cord as an option or run a length across the top of the bed. We really never had a problem. I'd just charge my phone/watch etc on the kitchen counter since there are more plugs and USB there.
@@FishTalesusa Thanks for the good information.
I have a 20RW. I'm anxious to someday learn how to turn on the awning speakers! I'm really thinking a little JBL blutooth would be a ton easier.
Do you have the little Boss radio device on the wall to the right of the side entry door? It's next to the Spyder control for us and just under the awning control. You turn that on and connect with Bluetooth. Works great for us.
@@FishTalesusa no, on my 20 it has the larger Jensen unit, which is unnecessarily complicated. I may swap the whole thing out for just a couple really nice speakers and be done with it.
Matt's RV reviews said that the cargo capacity was a little over 600+. My husband and I really want this motorhome due to the size of the shower (30x36). The Winnebago Navion/Veiw shower is around 24x30/32 but has more cargo capacity due to lighter weight cabinets etc. BTW: is you toilet porcelain? From what I've read the
Yes the toilet is porcelain and yes the cargo capacity on ours is close to 1000 they made some adjustments to the frames on the earlier ones and starting in year 21 and newer they should have around 1000 capacity even with the great quality cabinets and other features of the Tiffin.
So U just posted a short video for you. Our RW has an OCCC of 900#. Keep in mind that ours is fully loaded with just about every possible option. Outside TV, vacuum, 2000 watt inverter, 15k heat pump, and solar.
@@FishTalesusa Thank you. I think my question got cut off . This was the rest of it: (OCCC) -This is the total weight of all cargo which includes all of your gear, you, and the freshwater tanks full.
@@FishTalesusa Thank you !!!
@@artfuldodger870 the cargo capacity indicated on the yellow sticker on the driver door does not include the freshwater full tank. So depending of the model you must substract minimum 250 lbs to the value on the sticker if you want the full tank of freshwater. I don’t think that any couples with dog would fit in these values without being illegal and going over the GVWR which is 11030 lbs. my wife and i and our dog are average weight and it is already 450 lbs. the propane 49.2 lbs. solar panel 190w go power is 27 lbs, clothes minimum 60 lbs, kitchen appliances, phone tablet computer, external ladder, table, surge protector, food, bed cushion, a notebook, cleaning stuff, i doubt that everybody with two person and a dog fit legally in 840 lbs ( i requested the dealership yellow sticker) even with little 10 gallons of water and strictly minimum clothes and shoes. For the RW it is max 840 lbs and 740 lbs for the JW with the washer dryer. It was indicated NEW 2023 model but the VIN indicated 2021 25 JW. 740 lbs. strange i didn’t know the JW was existing in 2021. So maybe a 2022 or 2023 VIN model would have different values but i doubt. People should check the yellow sticker before to buy. I would not order one model without knowing if the cargo capacity is enough for my needs.
. What is the material that you use in the bottom shelf in the bathroom to secure trays and where did you get it? You really have some good ideals.
this is the stuff I put under the trays in the bathroom. www.amazon.com/DAZZ-8714638-Graphite-Classic-Shelf/dp/B01LWAFD6M/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=1X1GLHKXN2QP0&keywords=sticky+drawer+liner&qid=1647727106&sprefix=sticky+drawer+liner%2Caps%2C160&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzUE44M09BT1Q1S0RNJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNzMyNjU2SVhZQVFVQk8zUUNEJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA3NDc1OTUzQVZJMEFBRU1VT0NHJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==
@@FishTalesusa Thanks Again.
Coach looks great is it quiet when you drive?
Sorry just saw this. Yes pretty quiet. The only thing that was making a lot of noise is the silverware rattling in the drawer. When we first got the unit, the main exterior door wasn't installed correctly so there was a gap at the bottom. This gap allowed some wind noise to disturb our otherwise quiet ride. After the door issue was resolved we were back to the silverware : )
Hi and thank you for your video. I just purchased a 22’ 25RW and noted that the drawers have no latches. Could you help me with the link to
The magnets you installed? 👍🏼
These are what we bought: www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07PHSBWGV?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title
@@FishTalesusa thank you!
I see a lot of conversation about the OCCC here which can be a dealbreaker if you have to remove preferable items like the generator from the coach. No one talked about adding capacity to the suspension. I suspect it's because this gets into the legal GVWR category and no one wants to incriminate themselves but I know folks still do this to compensate for the paltry OCCCs. Anyone venture to comment?
Makes sense to remove the heavy generator and replace with a more robust solar system or tow vehicle with small generator onboard.
Is the limited weight load a problem? We are considering getting one and some have commented that the weight of the living space is almost a full capacity for the vehicle.
It is a genuine concern. The 900# of weight is mostly important in transit where it could impact whether an insurance claim might pay or not. If you and your spouse, your clothing items, dishes and small appliances, food, bedding, pet, weight of tow bar if hauling a toad, etc are going to go over weight than it could be an issue. Carrying water was our biggest concern. We never carried more that 33% in fresh tank because we couldn’t and still be under weight.
Love your channel. Looking forward to more vids. Im about to push the button on a 2022 RW. Any tips
for me in dealing with the dealership and how to approach the purchase of it? How did it go
in coming to a final price for your purchase?
Thanks so much,
Scott.
As far as pricing goes things are little bit nuts right now. Inventory is extremely low, prices went up about 12% for 2022, and demand is really high. That being said the old ideas of pricing are not going to fit today. When we purchased, typical Sprinter-based motorhomes like the Thor, Forest river, Coachman and the like were getting a 25-30% discount off retail price. The ones we were comparing was the Tiffin Wayfarer, Dynamax (but quickly ruled out because of floor plan), and the Renegade Villagio and Vienna models which in my mind quality-wise were very close to the Tiffin. These brands were seeing no more than about a 22% discount and that includes the very much pricier Winnebago. We liked the Navion, but the price was simply too high.
That being said, once we nailed down the model and brand - I joined private groups on Facebook and watched owner issues and how they were resolved by the company, and contacted the companies to ask questions. I actually got a call back the next morning from Bob Tiffin when I called and left a message on Tiffin's voicemail. Very impressed.
Once I figured out what I should be spending with options - ours out the door retailed for $169K - deducted 22% and offered that to the local dealer and a dealer in Portland. We dickered a bit and landed on a slightly higher price, but I was happy and when we drove it off the lot like 6 months later, we probably had $20K in equity because of the price increases and the general crazy that's going on in the RV industry right now. Hope that helps.
@@FishTalesusa Great info! Thank you so much...... So you reduced the OTD the dealer gave you by 22%,
and offered to pay that? $132K?, or $169K was the final price?
@@spacedust6491 I offered $130k and we settled at $133
@@FishTalesusa Sorry for so many questions, but I really appreciate it. My OTD today was $173.8K for the 2022. I told them I would decide by Monday. So there is still a lot of negotiation room here? What do you think I should come down too? Thanks Eric.
@@spacedust6491 I asked the Wayfarer owners group but have seen no responses yet. My two cents would be to offer $137500 and see what they do. If you’re flexible on delivery date that may help.
Can you please link the soap dispensers you use?
Hi these are both of the dispensers we used: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FGCW0K/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1 and www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0047A5FU4/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s02?ie=UTF8&th=1
What does the yellow OCCC sticker say is your cargo capacity?
Our Wayfarer had an OCCC of 900#
Where did you get the wind screen.
This is the one we bought: www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07WTN7SH1?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title
Just a question is the generator very loud when running it
Not too bad. The AC right above your head while trying to watch TV is loud. We didn’t use it too much. Inside the Generator is just a low hum. Sitting at the patio side it’s a bit annoying.
I have heard that the Mercedes engine is under powered and many Mercedes dealers will not service class c RV. What is your experience?
The engine driving just the motorhome was awesome. We're not trying to go anywhere exceptionally fast but it drove really great. I have heard from other owners towing vehicles that it was a little lackluster pulling up hills. As far as service, there is a Sprinter service center near us in Eugene, OR where we bought the vehicle. I would imagine you'd need a service center capable of servicing work vans and the like in order to get service. Typical shops don't likely have facilities ideally suited to servicing the engine.
Do you feel the cost is relative to what you received?
Keep in mind we bought in late 2020 for a 2021 model delivered in April. We only paid $133k. I felt it was a tremendous vehicle for that amount. Today’s prices are a bit out of sight. Keep in mind a decent car is $60k… it’s a Mercedes van that starts at like $80k
How much cargo weight can this hold?
Ours had 900# OCCC not sure what the new ones have. Would think going all electric would make a big difference not carrying the tank and fuel for propane
Could you tell me the total cargo weight this can hold? We are looking to purchase one and the owner says 1100 pounds
Our 2021 Tiffin RW had a 900# OCCC which includes occupants and cargo - including fresh water. So it's a very light carrying capacity. 2022 and later models the company used some lighter components to lighten up the overall rig so 1000 or 1100 might be possible. Have them photograph the yellow sticker on the B-Pillar of the driver's door to conform 100%.
@@FishTalesusa thank you for the info. I think you helped us make our decision, we would have at least 850lbs without anything else in it. 3 adults plus 2 dogs
@@loisappuhn9483 yeah it's a bit of a killer with these particular vehicles. The Mercedes diesel is tremendously efficient but not really designed for a full motorhome's appearance and carrying. As a Class B Van they work pretty well but don't include full wall slides etc. A good alternative is the Thor Gemini 24JG or something similar that's built on a Ford Truck Chassis. It's a lighter-weight vehicle that should still get decent gas mileage and has a more reasonable OCCC. That being said, it's definitely not the quality of the Tiffin.
I asked a dealership today and he told me the yellow sticker cargo capacity for the JW (with washer dryer combo and propane option) 740 lbs much much lower than what Matt’s Rv said in his video for nearly the same model (propane + washer dryer) minus the external 32 inch tv (14 lbs only) Matt’s advise 1150 lbs on the sticker. How is it possible. The one which is 740 lbs has a ViN indicating 2021 sprinter Tiffin 3500xd chassis 25 JW. Cargo 740 lbs. 401 lbs difference with Matt. There are no options that could explain the differences. The only option are the lithium instead of the derp cycle batteries where you save 25 lbs. the external tv probably 25 lbs total. Side view camera. Both have same propane, same washer dryer, same color inside, same fridge 12 v compressor which is standard on the JW. Nearly all the same but 401 lbs difference. The solar panel is a Go power it is only 27 lbs and a pwm controller is 1 lbs so this is not that. I would like an explanation by Tiffin about the difference on the sticker for the same model.
My dealership also gave me the RW cargo 840 lbs and the LW cargo 1050 lbs. so a bit better than the JW. I understand the washer dryer Splendid is maybe 130 lbs like all residential appliance this is what cause the weight to be higher despite having only one sofa Murphy bed
To me that sounds nuts what I would do is call up Tiffin and see if you can talk to Trent he will explain everything. I actually called Trent kind of angry when I was looking for ours and was getting all kinds of various comments from dealers and such about the same thing and cargo capacity is a big deal for these things and I left a kind of a nasty message and he responded by the next morning and I was thrilled with the customer service.
Our OCCC was 900# with just about all upgrades except Lithium batteries.
@@FishTalesusa now i understand better the wayfarer and the cargo capacity. The JW has only 740lbs cargo because it has nearly all the options propane, booster, external tv, including the washer dryer (148 lbs). All wayfarer have low cargo also because they have the diesel generator QD 3200 which weights 203 lbs. so to increase the cargo we have to remove the generator that can be replaced by a second alternator 5500w and replacing the 2 x household battery (100 lbs) is a must, and even the single battery (26 lbs) which is not enough powerful (100 ah) anyway.
I would replace all of that with a Lithionics 320ah (68 lbs) the Lithionics has a port to connect the second alternator, it has bluetooth and builtin heater to charge even in winter. Then i would add a second solar panel Go Power (27 lbs) and i would upgrade the xantrex 2000w (14,7 lbs) to the xantrex 3000w (16.5 lbs) to run the a/c everywhere. i would also replace the Dometic 15k btu with heat pump by a Truma Aventa (72 lbs) which is much much more efficient and use 4,5 amp at eco mode and heat at 3.5 amp as well. A/c at normal use only 9 amps.
This would save 130 lbs of additional cargo and give 3 times the power of the initial wayfarer. Also it would allow to recharge the battery in 1,5 h at idle with the coach engine and even faster during driving, quietly without the horrible sound of the generator. By adding a jackery 1000 to charge phone tablet and computer in parallel and the two portable 100w panel it would give fourth way to get power.
-alternator at idle or driving
-solar panel
-shore power
-external solar powerstation with panels for outdoor
4096wh instead of 1200wh
380w + 200w portable solar panels.
And all this with 130 lbs more cargo than the original coach.
Tiffin should propose that one day in the future.
I want to mention also that cargo capacity with Tiffin already include full diesel tank and full LP tank. So the cargo occc is for occupants and their stuff and the water.
@@FishTalesusa if you have household batteries you would save a lot of weight by going lithium. One agm is 50 lbs so two is 100 lbs when the single battery is around 26 lbs for the same capacity as two agm. But better is the lithionics 320a for a more powerful and complex systems.
@@CC-gt3ro Sounds like you have it dialed! You should get with Trent at Tiffin about rolling out some of your ideas on the Next 2024 or 2025 Wayfarer. If they could get them to more like 1K all around they could really sock it to their competition - especially if they still had all of the luxury they do now.