12V 200Ah... www.timeusbpower.com/products/timeusb-12v-200ah-plus-lifepo4-battery-built-in-200a-bms/?ref=lithiumsolar 12V 200Ah... amzn.to/3ZnsXZ0 DC Power Box... www.timeusbpower.com/products/battery-socket-outlet/?ref=lithiumsolar DC Power Box... amzn.to/3Iv6e6j (affiliate links)
It'd be interesting to watch you do more with the batteries after testing / teardown. Putting them back together if they're good, upgrading those with weak points, using parts to make a whole new setup, etc.
Yeah there's more coming here in the spring hopefully as I rebuild some things. I just don't have a lot of time to make videos anymore, as evidenced by it being 2 months since my last...
@@LithiumSolarhow about a EG4 3000W EV 48v with an EG4 Life power 100ah battery AND 4 12v in series for another 100ah. I have 4 Weize 12v 100ah. Show how it works off of a buss bar and describe if communications can be done with battery and inverter if batteries above are paralleled. Always curious about that. 💯👍
Another exceptional video, per your usual standards. Your videos are among the very few that I will watch from beginning to end. Something I do wish you had gone into on this video, and could maybe cover in a "short", is the rated (and actual) output of the DC box connections. It's odd to me that they have a 40-amp cable connecting to it when every one of those potential loads, if running simultaneously, wouldn't even draw half that many amps! :) I'm mostly interested in whether or not those USB-C outputs are 100w, as that is what is need to power some modern devices. ETA - Found a video showing the user manual where they list the USB-C output at 45W...not horrible, but also not enough to run a laptop, unfortunately. Also, the 11AWG cable it comes with is rated to 20 amps, at that length. To route a full 40 amps through the box you would need to build a cable using 8AWG wires, which is no big deal, but worth noting. I'm not sure I'd want to push 40 amps through that box anyway, not without inspecting the internal bus bar to determine if it would really stand up to that kind of current. Do you think they could have put 4 of the 280AH battery cells into that box? Thanks for another excellent review video!
@@simplyfocus9937 - Why is it cheaper for a manufacturer to use two 100AH cells when it is certainly much less expensive, for consumers, to buy one 200AH (or larger) cell?
Hi,bro No matter what others say about your videos, I'm with you as always because thanks so much for your presentation on the ADCBATT 12v 100ah lifepo4 battery, I bought them from Amazon and they're working great so far. I have seen people say they miss your videos on making batteries, in fact I think either video is a good video as long as it can be helpful to others, stick to yourself.
Lol, I got worried by your title, Made me think GFB cells are bad... In my review video, I was excited to see GFB. Happy to hear your approval of them. 🍻
I recently purchased their 24V 200ah 200a battery for how inexpensive it was compared to other Lipo batteries of the same configuration I’m impressed with just how well it works
not a bad price and I was thinking would make a good battery for a Camper but then the blow freezing turned me off. Some times it can get cold here. and I don't want to destroy the battery. but I guess I wouldn't really use it in the winter and would be connect to power. Be nice for 12volt devices in the camper.
No Bluetooth on the BMS? I wonder at what price point Bluetooth starts being available. I'm glad that good LFP batteries have come down so much in price.
Please review power needs for vehicle based, mostly 12v/120 appliances vs household appliances. Also, how to build install a portable system for vehicle use and be able to disconnect from or vehicle grounding, to then hook-up to home based panels and grounding. Thanks
Thank You for these excellent reviews. Do you know why there are series/parallel connection limitations on these batteries? I currently use battery pack made of 10 x 12v gel batteries connected in series with total voltage of 120v and would like to replace the gel units with LiFPo4 units. Unfortunately manufacturers state the max limits for series connection usually up to 4. Do you know why? Is the battery pack built of 10 LiFPo4 units connected in series not going to work? I intend to charge each unit in the pack individually with its own 12v charger. Thank you for your input / opinion on this.
I have this Timeusb battery and I also have the Powerqueen 190ah With the 150a BMS ..and wondering if I can parallel the 2 iv seen many videos on doing so with very different AH 12v lifepo4 batteries so I'm hoping it be ok .. just want to bounce that off your thoughts
Is there an advantage to using eight 100AH cells versus four 200AH? I like that distributor box. First time I saw one was by Kickass (Australian company). Might try a homebrew version. Looks like a fun project.
They probably buy a lot of 100ah cells, so using them is likely cheaper. The size / form factor of 100ah cells probably makes packaging easier. For most applications that's likely the most significant factor but chemistry of the electrolyte distribution within the cells is usually better with smaller cells, but the number of interconnections can be a disadvantage. Licitti has what looks to be the same distribution box much cheaper.
Oh I fully agree and do appreciate the feedback. I enjoy building much more, but I feel I've reached a point with the LiFePO4 that either it's all been done already or I've already covered it in some way. I guess I just have to come up with new ideas on how to assemble differently.
What you gotta remember though, is your not just paying for the cells. It's the cables, BMS, etc. I agree that the price seems "not cheap" ... I mean for $1200 I can pick up cells in the USA that have about 7.5 kWh capacity ... so double the price for 3 times the capacity ... However, once you spend $100+ on a BMS, then consider cables, lugs, etc ... the cost comparison becomes less advantageous. It's still cheaper but by a lot less than you first think (and that's not really considering the time you need to put in versus a plug and play batter like this).
I've been using the cheap generic one off Amazon for years now. I use it for EVERYTHING and I do mean everything,from charging lawnmower battery's to powering rc cars for testing to charging 48v battery's on my solar system and even wheelchair battery's. I've even left it in the rain once and I blew all the water out and it's been perfectly fine still
I hate cases that are larger than needed for the contents. Using foam blocks etc to pack out the case is BS. Space is generally at a premium when lithium batteries are used in leisure vehicles etc.
i saw a 1star review from a dude measuring the battery energy capacity with a kill a watt meter and it supposed to be 1280w/hr but it made only 1060w/hr . i wish amazon had a way for us to reply to these stupid 1 star reviews with people who don't know what they doing and expecting 100% efficiency from their china inverters.
There's not THAT much free space in there, only a few pieces of foam. And yes, I mostly look at batteries. Is there something specific with panels you're wanting to see? I'm always looking for ideas...
@@LithiumSolarStill would like to see charging of 4 12v 100ah in series via bus bars that is already set up with an EG4 server rack battery and EG4 3000w 48v EHV. Curious if the communications can still be used and accurate for the EG4 set up while the other four 12v batteries charge and help with load. Any server rack/inverter combo can suffice. Thanks!
I think it's time to stop gushing over batteries without low temp sensor tech built in. For god's sake... it's 2023. And what is up with the physical size of these things? Can they not figure out a way to put the cells inside smaller cases?
I agree with the low temp cut off. There should be a simple aftermarket solution that someone can use maybe a temp controlled relay that doesn't allow charging below a certain temp.
@@randybobandy9828 All they have to do is add another sensor and use a BMS with low-temp sensing built in. The issue is all these cheap and old BMS's that have flooded the market. Won't See a change until all of these are used up.
This video is an example of why its important to actually talk to the manufacturer about their product. If you had you would have found info that they don't have in their battery documentation. According to TimeUsb these are all used cells out of EV buses, not new cells. They have already been used for 1000- 1500 cycles out of the 4000 cycle life span. czcams.com/video/chm5RHfiugQ/video.html
No. He has a different battery. His battery contains as 230Ah CATL cells which are being sold as 200Ah. The cells I have here are 100Ah GFB cells that still test at new capacity. They are not used cells.
If you want to keep viewer coming to your channel, you might consider making some tutorial/learning/teaching videos because these review/teardown videos are pretty much all the same and so not interesting at all. I skip to the end nearly right away for the conclusion. Just FYI.
Fought with this battery for a year with back-and-forth testing. When tried to return, they offered 60% of the 600.i paid as wouldn't hold charge. Just bought a new one and they refused to ship my new, paid for order as they didnt llike my review of the defective one. This company is fraudulent and discriminatory. Will not last and warranty a joke.
12V 200Ah... www.timeusbpower.com/products/timeusb-12v-200ah-plus-lifepo4-battery-built-in-200a-bms/?ref=lithiumsolar
12V 200Ah... amzn.to/3ZnsXZ0
DC Power Box... www.timeusbpower.com/products/battery-socket-outlet/?ref=lithiumsolar
DC Power Box... amzn.to/3Iv6e6j
(affiliate links)
on amazon it is currently unavailable.....
@@goodluck2404 It's still in stock. Perhaps the seller doesn't ship to your location.
@@LithiumSolar ah ok thanks
I think Timeusb is my new favorite budget king. I tore town the 12v 100ah pro, built very well. Great vid!
It'd be interesting to watch you do more with the batteries after testing / teardown. Putting them back together if they're good, upgrading those with weak points, using parts to make a whole new setup, etc.
Yeah there's more coming here in the spring hopefully as I rebuild some things. I just don't have a lot of time to make videos anymore, as evidenced by it being 2 months since my last...
@@LithiumSolarhow about a EG4 3000W EV 48v with an EG4 Life power 100ah battery AND 4 12v in series for another 100ah. I have 4 Weize 12v 100ah. Show how it works off of a buss bar and describe if communications can be done with battery and inverter if batteries above are paralleled. Always curious about that. 💯👍
Just bought 2 50 ah batteries , this company rocks , great owners manual for us dummies , a five star from me .
Definitely sound like a bot... Or someone with the company these batteries are trash.
@@coletrain3333 lol, they didn't mention the price $800 for a 12V battery. DIY no more??? Hello!!!!
Another exceptional video, per your usual standards. Your videos are among the very few that I will watch from beginning to end. Something I do wish you had gone into on this video, and could maybe cover in a "short", is the rated (and actual) output of the DC box connections. It's odd to me that they have a 40-amp cable connecting to it when every one of those potential loads, if running simultaneously, wouldn't even draw half that many amps! :) I'm mostly interested in whether or not those USB-C outputs are 100w, as that is what is need to power some modern devices. ETA - Found a video showing the user manual where they list the USB-C output at 45W...not horrible, but also not enough to run a laptop, unfortunately. Also, the 11AWG cable it comes with is rated to 20 amps, at that length. To route a full 40 amps through the box you would need to build a cable using 8AWG wires, which is no big deal, but worth noting. I'm not sure I'd want to push 40 amps through that box anyway, not without inspecting the internal bus bar to determine if it would really stand up to that kind of current.
Do you think they could have put 4 of the 280AH battery cells into that box? Thanks for another excellent review video!
Jason one cell is always better than 2 cells in parallel, but it is cheaper for manufacturer to pack 2 100ah cells instead of 1 200ah cell
@@simplyfocus9937 - Why is it cheaper for a manufacturer to use two 100AH cells when it is certainly much less expensive, for consumers, to buy one 200AH (or larger) cell?
Hi,bro No matter what others say about your videos, I'm with you as always because thanks so much for your presentation on the ADCBATT 12v 100ah lifepo4 battery, I bought them from Amazon and they're working great so far. I have seen people say they miss your videos on making batteries, in fact I think either video is a good video as long as it can be helpful to others, stick to yourself.
Thank you for the tear down :)
P.S. We have been watching your channel ever since you put the all-in-one battery on the dolly !!!!!
P.P.S. :)
Lol, I got worried by your title, Made me think GFB cells are bad... In my review video, I was excited to see GFB. Happy to hear your approval of them. 🍻
YES great cells! They're used in a lot of batteries (most notably SOK) and haven't heard of anyone having trouble with them anywhere.
I recently purchased their 24V 200ah 200a battery for how inexpensive it was compared to other Lipo batteries of the same configuration I’m impressed with just how well it works
It's great to see you back! Keep up the good work man :)
Cheers, and owww another channel, subb'ed! - keep up the good work, all the best from England.
Thumbs up on both channels. Nice junction box and a great idea 💡
thanks for your presentation about ADCBATT 12v 100ah lifepo4 battery. very good video
Awesome video. Hoping you can review Timeusb 220ah metal case battery next.
not a bad price and I was thinking would make a good battery for a Camper but then the blow freezing turned me off. Some times it can get cold here. and I don't want to destroy the battery. but I guess I wouldn't really use it in the winter and would be connect to power. Be nice for 12volt devices in the camper.
No Bluetooth on the BMS? I wonder at what price point Bluetooth starts being available. I'm glad that good LFP batteries have come down so much in price.
Nope, no bluetooth on this model. I personally don't find it to be a useful feature on batteries so I'm fine with that.
How about you dive in and share your findings on the Lisuateli 12v 100ah lifepo4? I'm eager to see what you would discover!
I have a 36 volt golf cart and been watching your videos and you seemed to know your stuff what batteries would you think would be the best thank you
Please review power needs for vehicle based, mostly 12v/120 appliances vs household appliances. Also, how to build install a portable system for vehicle use and be able to disconnect from or vehicle grounding, to then hook-up to home based panels and grounding. Thanks
I like the little box, for the price I wish it acted like a charger, mppt or from AC
They have a plus and a pro.... What is the difference both have the 200ah 200A BMS
Thank You for these excellent reviews. Do you know why there are series/parallel connection limitations on these batteries? I currently use battery pack made of 10 x 12v gel batteries connected in series with total voltage of 120v and would like to replace the gel units with LiFPo4 units. Unfortunately manufacturers state the max limits for series connection usually up to 4. Do you know why? Is the battery pack built of 10 LiFPo4 units connected in series not going to work? I intend to charge each unit in the pack individually with its own 12v charger. Thank you for your input / opinion on this.
Same quality testing you have quite a list of batteries tested, good job.
Can anyone recommend a book on basics of building a solar system? Looking to set up a system for a 5th wheel. Thanks in advance
Will prowse has a book I believe on Amazon. I think it's called diy mobile solar power
I have this Timeusb battery and I also have the Powerqueen 190ah With the 150a BMS ..and wondering if I can parallel the 2 iv seen many videos on doing so with very different AH 12v lifepo4 batteries so I'm hoping it be ok .. just want to bounce that off your thoughts
Very interesting. Lots of great information. Thanks for sharing. Going over to your other channel. 😎😎⛏⛏🔥🔥
Prices across the board have increased over the past few months.
Yes more free battery reviews
I can't tell if that's a good thing? Or sarcasm? Lol?
Is this one save???
Is there an advantage to using eight 100AH cells versus four 200AH?
I like that distributor box. First time I saw one was by Kickass (Australian company). Might try a homebrew version. Looks like a fun project.
They probably buy a lot of 100ah cells, so using them is likely cheaper. The size / form factor of 100ah cells probably makes packaging easier. For most applications that's likely the most significant factor but chemistry of the electrolyte distribution within the cells is usually better with smaller cells, but the number of interconnections can be a disadvantage.
Licitti has what looks to be the same distribution box much cheaper.
Four 200Ah wouldn't be as heavy as eight 100Ah cells. That's the only difference I can think of.
@@Sylvan_dB That makes sense. I checked out the Licitti products. Yeah, way cheaper. Probably cheaper than what I could build one for.
@Roll2Videos the weight difference is negligible. Only real difference is form factor and also less connections
@@randybobandy9828 It is aluminum case cells; You are correct not much of a difference.
Bro, how can I safely remove those busbars from those cells?
Can we add 40 batteries in series to make 480 VDC battery bank for industrial UPS.
No. These batteries do not support series connections beyond 48V (4 batteries).
Kinda miss the days when you built batteries instead of reviewing them.
Oh I fully agree and do appreciate the feedback. I enjoy building much more, but I feel I've reached a point with the LiFePO4 that either it's all been done already or I've already covered it in some way. I guess I just have to come up with new ideas on how to assemble differently.
@@LithiumSolar I just started watching Mike G on CZcams he does high voltage DC. 72 cells in series. 🤯🤯
Does not seem "CHEAP"! Looks like a good inexpensive pack.
Not cheap quality but cheap price!
@@LithiumSolar 630 bucks? That's freakn expensive.
@@KptnBlowFly It's expensive compared to what? Most LiFePO4 batteries of this capacity are more expensive...
@@LithiumSolar an EVE EEL 105 Ah is here in Thailand something about 150 bucks.
What you gotta remember though, is your not just paying for the cells. It's the cables, BMS, etc. I agree that the price seems "not cheap" ... I mean for $1200 I can pick up cells in the USA that have about 7.5 kWh capacity ... so double the price for 3 times the capacity ... However, once you spend $100+ on a BMS, then consider cables, lugs, etc ... the cost comparison becomes less advantageous. It's still cheaper but by a lot less than you first think (and that's not really considering the time you need to put in versus a plug and play batter like this).
Do you still have to run a charge controller with these batteries?
Absolutely. The BMS is there for safety purposes, it is not designed to replace a properly-configured charge controller.
Good video.
Unfortunately already unavailable on Amazon.
It's still in stock. That usually happens if you're in a region (or have a shipping address in a region) that the seller won't ship to.
Off topic for this video but do you habe a recommendation for a budget friendly 60 volt 5 amp bench power supply?
I got one of the cheap generic ones off Amazon years ago and it has been fine. I don't think you can really go wrong. They're all rebranded stuff.
I've been using the cheap generic one off Amazon for years now. I use it for EVERYTHING and I do mean everything,from charging lawnmower battery's to powering rc cars for testing to charging 48v battery's on my solar system and even wheelchair battery's. I've even left it in the rain once and I blew all the water out and it's been perfectly fine still
Have you tested pionergy lifepo4 batteries from ebay??
Nope, should I?
@@LithiumSolar yes. That's the cheapest battery I could find.
The cheapest price I'm seeing on ebay is $290 for a 12V 100Ah. Are you seeing it cheaper somewhere?
@@LithiumSolar I meant the 12v 200ah one for $549
I hate cases that are larger than needed for the contents. Using foam blocks etc to pack out the case is BS. Space is generally at a premium when lithium batteries are used in leisure vehicles etc.
I wish they had 48V version of that box
i saw a 1star review from a dude measuring the battery energy capacity with a kill a watt meter and it supposed to be 1280w/hr but it made only 1060w/hr . i wish amazon had a way for us to reply to these stupid 1 star reviews with people who don't know what they doing and expecting 100% efficiency from their china inverters.
I want to power box dammit..... :)
Do they really have to make the case that big lol
why this channel only review batteries, and inverter, where are the solar panel review? its called lithium solar, but he only care review lithium
There's not THAT much free space in there, only a few pieces of foam. And yes, I mostly look at batteries. Is there something specific with panels you're wanting to see? I'm always looking for ideas...
@@LithiumSolar hey thanks, i really like you compare the most efficient panel in the market
@@LithiumSolarStill would like to see charging of 4 12v 100ah in series via bus bars that is already set up with an EG4 server rack battery and EG4 3000w 48v EHV. Curious if the communications can still be used and accurate for the EG4 set up while the other four 12v batteries charge and help with load.
Any server rack/inverter combo can suffice.
Thanks!
I think it's time to stop gushing over batteries without low temp sensor tech built in. For god's sake... it's 2023. And what is up with the physical size of these things? Can they not figure out a way to put the cells inside smaller cases?
No
@@dave3005 Dave the "Dushe" has entered the chat.
I agree with the low temp cut off. There should be a simple aftermarket solution that someone can use maybe a temp controlled relay that doesn't allow charging below a certain temp.
@@randybobandy9828 All they have to do is add another sensor and use a BMS with low-temp sensing built in. The issue is all these cheap and old BMS's that have flooded the market. Won't See a change until all of these are used up.
@vancey6072 I know it's literally a $2 fix for these companies but ppl keep buying them so they don't feel the need.
This video is an example of why its important to actually talk to the manufacturer about their product. If you had you would have found info that they don't have in their battery documentation. According to TimeUsb these are all used cells out of EV buses, not new cells. They have already been used for 1000- 1500 cycles out of the 4000 cycle life span. czcams.com/video/chm5RHfiugQ/video.html
No. He has a different battery. His battery contains as 230Ah CATL cells which are being sold as 200Ah. The cells I have here are 100Ah GFB cells that still test at new capacity. They are not used cells.
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Yawn.
If you want to keep viewer coming to your channel, you might consider making some tutorial/learning/teaching videos because these review/teardown videos are pretty much all the same and so not interesting at all. I skip to the end nearly right away for the conclusion. Just FYI.
I know. I just don't have much time anymore to be honest.
@@LithiumSolar Fair enough. Thank you.
Fought with this battery for a year with back-and-forth testing. When tried to return, they offered 60% of the 600.i paid as wouldn't hold charge. Just bought a new one and they refused to ship my new, paid for order as they didnt llike my review of the defective one. This company is fraudulent and discriminatory. Will not last and warranty a joke.