I've never had any complaints. In fact the girls all say I'm the perfect size. I believe them because I can usually just feel the cervix when I'm all the way in.
Except when you shoot a pellet gun it’s pretty obvious it’s not a casing going off so trying to defend your self from and armed gun assailant with a CO2 pistol is just going to get you shot and with no chances of you neutralizing the threat so in that case its better to comply then it is to have a co2 pistol
@@boingussjust cause your confident with a 22 does not make it as effective as a 9, don’t forget all the other possibilities that can make it even less affective too
@@boinguss no it's not, it's a fallacy that is said to make yourself feel better about what you bought and carry, there is no reason not to carry a caliber of at least 9mm nowadays, you have guns the size as .380s with a more dependable round. You cannot tell me the average person cannot handle 9mm to say "carry the firearm you're most comfortable with"
@Robert Sauceda I would rather see someone carry a .22 they are comfortable with than a 9mm that they don't handle effectively. No one in the history of ever, after having just been shot, said, "That was only a 22." Not everyone is comfortable with any level of recoil. Not everyone can effectively handle a 9mm. I personally carry a .45, but that doesn't mean that my 73 year old mother should. So yes, the most effective personal defense firearm is the one you are most comfortable with.
I disagree with this arguement. No, of course no one wants to get shot with a .380 or .22 or whatever, but that doesn’t mean they’re effective enough. No one wants to get hit with a BB gun or paintball gun either, but those ain’t gonna stop a serious attacker, especially someone who’s intoxicated or unreasonably aggravated. Yes, a .380 is much better than nothing, but if you really want to put down the target then you need something more potent. Or a specialized spicy .380 load.
@@aucklandsadventures it takes 1 minute to lose consciousness from a femoral bleed. Even if theyre on the ground after being shot they will still be able to shoot at you. If it hits a vital organ they will drop dead and if the bullet is supersonic it will cause so much pain that they cant shoot back. Notice how when cops shoot someone they still reach for their gun and the cops have to keep shooting like in the nashville school shooting
Of course no one wants to get shot with anything, but adrenaline is so strong in gunfights you will continue to fight until your body physically cannot, look up any gunfight video and you’ll see it, humans are tough
I carry a .380 because I will carry it. Its very comfortable to carry everyday and you will forget that it is there. Have a 9mm and found myself leaving it at home because of the size and weight.
Simple as that! If you carry 9 mm, they will say “45 cal is much better!”… When you carry 45 cal, they will say “revolvers don’t jam”… Never ending circle of SALES! .380 is a lethal caliber, PERIOD!
In Canada we dont have guns for self defense a .380 isnt ideal but it's a heck of a lot more than nothing. I think in most situations it would be enough it's just if you are unlucky and run into a really scary bad guy and fail to incapacitate them. It's still enough to sting quite a bit
I remember an article. The writer stated that his wife had significant difficulty accurately shooting a semiautomatic pistol chambered for 9mm x 19mm cartridges, So he had her switch to a pistol chambered for the .380 cartridge. Her consistency and accuracy increased significantly. He stated that it was better that she was now accurately and consistently hitting targets from various shooting positions than it was for her to be carrying a pistol chambered for the more powerful 9mm X 19 mm cartridge.
Exactly. I don't believe in magdumping. 1 or 2 good hits will lay anyone down... But to get 1 or 2 good hits you gotta be aiming AT the guy, not just spraying bullets wildly in his general direction hoping 1 or 2 might hit him (and not innocent bystanders). If you're mag-dumping you're not aiming.
I'll take my .380 any day of the week or my .22 My goal is to defend myself in within a ten to twenty yard distance. Not going to be aiming the length of football field with a .380 anyway. With that said I have tremendous amount of respect for this man.
I would argue that a 22 isn’t adequate for self defense, at least in a semi auto pistol. Too many jams or failures to fire A double action 22 revolver would be better because if a round doesn’t go off you can keep pulling the trigger
@@bloopy6166 I’ve never had a misfire on a rimfire .22LR, never. Never fired one out of a pistol though just bolt action singles, mag fed, or mag fed semi auto rifles. How come there’s issues with semi auto pistols?
FBI takes into account the shooting through multiple barriers of different material when it suggests 13 inches of penetration being the minimum for pistol caliber ballistics (for their standards and operations). In a one on one self defense scenario between attacker and defender, .380 ACP is more than enough caliber to get the job done. In fact, .380 ACP is known to overpenetrate in flesh targets. I personally would recommend hollow point defense ammo with reliable expansion such as Hornady Critical Defense in this case to avoid such a scenario and potential harm of a bystander.
I wouldnt doubt it overpens, because the low velocity it gets from the short barrels its usually fired from probably isnt enough for reliable expansion.
Statistics show that .380 is around 20% more deadly than 9mm in gunfights, and no one knows exactly why, but I believe it is with less recoil, you get better follow up shot placement.
@@brandonsballing826anecdotal probably. 9mm doesn’t have any recoil you can shoot it as fast as you can and hit all shots unless they’re mid-long-range but vast majority of shootouts are in close range
@@BETA00009 It's not anecdotal at all. It was an analysis of recorded instances of shootings and their outcomes. The .380 had more one shot stops than 9mm by a significant margin.
Just recently killed a hog with my Glock 42 chambered in 380 I was using sierra outdoors 95 grain jacked hollow point and broad side double lunged a 150 pound sal and flipped her on her back I always questioned how lethal 380 would be in a self defense or survival situation and I already liked caring that gun In particular but now I trust that that 380 with good shot placement is more then capable of protecting me
My hesitancy comes from the “with good shot placement” part. You don’t know how good your shot placement is in a life or death situation until you’ve been there and done it already. Training is great but it’s impossible to know how effectively you can apply it when it counts until you’ve had to. For that reason I’d much prefer a better cartridge, and if that means 6 more ounces and it’s in my waistband instead of my pocket, that trade is absolutely worth better odds of preserving my life.
I carry sig-v-crown 90 grain jhp elite defense. I only carry my .380rugerlcp as a "date night gun" or doctors visit or something under extreme concealment circumstances
@@Ryan-cx5zr gun free zones are fine as long as you have a gun permit. Talk to a gun lawyer he will explain. (But some places legally are just off-limits)
@@Horror_Film_Aficionado I’m sure there are some laws I don’t know but I know most of what pertains to me in my state. I’m in a constitutional carry state and still keep a valid permit. There are a few places I won’t carry but generally, if I’m not getting searched or going through a metal detector I’m gonna keep a gun on me regardless. It may get me imprisoned one day but keeping me and mine safe is priority
@@MrMikecoats22 Antique then. Any firearm made before 1898, not intended or redesigned for using rim fire or conventional center fire ignition with fixed ammunition. So, matchlock, percussion cap, muzzleloaders are not firearms. Buy em', reload em, shoot em. Become a gun nut. Also, it is important to note that any firearm using fixed ammunition manufactured in or before 1898, for which ammunition is no longer manufactured in the United States and is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade. So .50-90 sharps,.32 Long Colt, .32 S&W, .32 S&W Long, .32-20 Winchester, .38 S&W, .38 Short Colt, .38 Long Colt, .38-40 Winchester, .44-40 Winchester, and .45 Colt but I could be wrong.
I studied martial arts for many years & learned a basic lesson which applies to gun use as well: The best defense is knowing when to cross the street! If you can avoid conflict, there is little chance of losing a conflict - OR (very important) getting hurt in a conflict even if you are the victor. Stay away from places where conflict is likely! Learn to study your fellow humans so that you can spot a person looking for a fight before they spot you. Don't go looking for trouble & learn to spot it & avoid it when it does come near. If it is your job to look for trouble, learn to end it quickly before things go wrong because trouble always goes hand in hand with unpredictable chaos - another reason why it should be avoided.
Good advice, and from what I’ve seen in dozens of ballistics tests, the most common .380 ACP barrel length is about 2.75”. I believe the .380 ACP is an effective round at up close and personal distances…the kind of distances that invoke the 21’ rule. Finding a JHP standard pressure round that can actually expand out of 2.75” barrel is a challenge…so the extreme defender loads make a lot of sense.
An ex-FBI analyst combined data from over 4 million citizen involved shootings in the U.S. with the goal of finding the most effective pistol round. Not based on ballistics gel, or fps or anything else, but based solely on real life statistics from real life situations. What he found was that most of these shootings followed a pattern of three 3's. That is that the confrontation happened within 3 yards of the target/perpetrator, there were 3 shots or less fired and the entire confrontation was ended or deescalate within 3 seconds. Based on this data he did not find one round to rule them all. He found a certain range of pistol calibers that had an exceptionally high success rate in their ability to stop a threat with 3 shots or less. Stop a threat could mean that threat was killed, wounded to the point that he/she was out of the fight or scared off. Of all the pistol rounds analyzed, which literally everything from .22short to .500 S&W magnum, he found that anything smaller than .380 (.32, .25 etc) had a significant drop in success with 3 shots or less. But everything bigger than .44 magnum had a high success rate with just one shot. And literally everything in between (.380, 9mm, 45, .357 etc) had the exact same success rate based on over 4 million examples with 3 shots or less. Scientific proof that... .380 is literally just as good as 9mm or .40 or even .44 special. In real life .380 will very likely stop the threat with 3 shots or less just as good as anything bigger.
Ayoob is back to his mythical “one shot stop.” If it takes 3 shots from a .380 ACP and you have one that has that many shots you’re infinitely better off than someone who didn’t carry because it was inconvenient.
@@ExiledBulldawg the data went back to the 80's I believe. There are something like 400,000 citizen involved shootings each year. Not all of which result in a fatality. Remember "Stop" means threat dead/ threat wounded too badly to fight back/ threat scared off. 4 million examples of literally just people firing a gun in a defense situation
I wouldn't go so far as to say its as good as a 44 special. Depending on ammo the .380 doesn't expand reliably. Plus, .44 special is used far more rarely than .380. So the .44 special has a much much much smaller sample size than .380. So I wouldn't consider that to be a scientific answer. The number of shootings with both cartridges, shot placement, etc would have to be equal. Good luck finding that in real life. I'd add that barrel length also has a lot to do with it. So I'd say its more suggestive than conclusive. There are a lot of other factors involved such as the amount of illegal drugs in the perp, their mental state and how lucky the defender got. And there is one round to rule them all. Its called the 12 gauge LOL So close to always one shot stop and 100 percent lethal it doesn't matter. LOL
@@Wastelandman7000 yeah you're right. The statistics just prove that in real life situations .380 will stop the threat just as many times as .44spec will. Obvious the 9mm is the most common handgun round in the u.s. so there are much more statistics involving 9mm than anything else, but according to the data out of the millions of times 9mm was used it stopped the threat something like 89% of the time. Out of all the thousands of times .44spec was used it stopped the threat 89.6% of the time. Of the tens of thousands of times .380 was used it stopped the threat 88% of the time. I'm roughly guestimating it, but that was the conclusion of the statistics was that everything from .380 to 44spec was within 1% of each other for success rates in stopping the threat with 3 shots or less. And of course .380 is the weakest and smallest on that list but it was the smallest round to maintain the same success rate as everything else in that range. Human bodies are soft and susceptible to death when there is a hole in them. Dead is dead. You're not more dead with a .45 caliber hole than you are with a .380 caliber hole. You're just dead. And I'm not saying that everyone should have a .380 I'm just saying that if you do carry a .380 you don't need to feel under-prepared or doubtful about it. The best preparation is practice and if you can use your .380 comfortably and competently then you're off to the races. Pick a gun, pick a cartridge, practice regularly and stay vigilant.
The ballistic technology these days is incredible!!! There design on what they consider “External Hollow Points” gives you the same if not better temp/perm wound cavity as a traditional hollow point plus the same penetration as an FMJ
It's not just a shorter case though. With a shorter case comes less powder, meaning lower velocity. You can defiantly make some spicy 380 with hotter loads that may. E on par with regular 9mm, but that is dangerous to shoot out of anything not rated for +P.
I imagine this falls under size, but the recoil in a micro 9 just sucks. 380 allows you to shoot a micro gun the same as a compact which I think is underrated. Perfect example is the p365. Spend a day shooting the 9mm vs the 380 and it’s crazy how much more accurate the average shooter is with the 380
All these comments are great. Unless you're willing to get shot by one to prove your point, I'll keep my 380 in my pocket. Hot summer days, shorts and a T-shirt. Nobody knows its there.
Ever heard of adrenaline that 380 isn’t going to do shit with someone with adrenaline you need some thing that’s going to drop them like 9 mm 40 and bigger
@@owen6033 Drop them? I'm guessing you're a "Stopping Power" believer. It's bunk. It really is. The only thing that matters is either a hit to the central nervous system, or the heart. Those "drop them." The only time "Stopping Power" matters, is if you're using something with greater than 8,000 joules of muzzle energy. That's shotgun slugs, larger Big Game rounds, and .50BMG. That's what's required to actually knock a person down. This is simple physics. Anything else is poking holes, making leaks, and discouraging further assault. The size of the holes being related directly to the assailant's ability to remain conscious - but this isn't an immediate or fast process. Even a shot to the heart can give the wounded person a full sixty seconds of operable consciousness. Optimum self defense ammunition should create the largest wound channel possible, to make the leak as voluminous as possible, to encourage rapid onset of shock and loss of consciousness. The .380ACP round is the same diameter as 9x19mm - .355 inch. With the correct bullet loadings, it can create similar wound channels. The larger the bullet by total surface area, the greater the potential for larger wound channels. Hence why a 55-gr .223 REM round, yawing as it enters, makes for deadly wounds. If it splits and makes further wound channels, all the better - this increases the chance of a CNS hit or a hit to a very vital organ that leaks more than muscle or fat tissue. This also gets into things like cavitation, temporary wound channels, and the like. But, to sum it up - .380ACP is sufficient to terminate humans, so is .32ACP, .22LR, and .25ACP, provided you hit correctly. While I personally would prefer (and do carry) a full-size handgun with 15+ capacity in 9mm, and 10+ in any larger caliber, I would not feel defenseless with a Walther PPK, provided I had a couple extra mags. Will they do the job as fast as larger calibers? That depends on a lot of factors, but if you're loading standard .45ACP ball and advanced .380ACP loads designed to create larger wound channels, the results might surprise you, especially at self defense distances (less than 7 meters).
@joesmith3661 Ballistic Gel is all "soft tissue". The Human body has soft tissue as well as bones, bullets tend to stop faster when you shoot something solid, like a bone. It's common sense.
DAMN a 380 at 1100fps from a 3.8in barrell is gonna be some serious report and recoil.😮. But I like the idea of creating a fluid displacement bullet that provides better penetration and the displacement will do the lethal damage.
This is where my journey started into the online gun community 11 years ago watching 380 ballistics gel comparisons between ammo loads and their consistency with 4 layers of denim canvas 380 with a small flash supressor and a good consistent load and right grain of projectile should be the most consistent "lady-gun" because the fear of the muscleflash and Bang makes the gun more contrsllosble for an onexperinced shooter like me (i dont live in a country where we can carry or even practice) So the concept has to be a bit less about power, and more about finding a low entrance barrier for decent on target shooting with leat amount of practice
As a former marine and emt that’s seen many gunshot wounds g42 with federal Hst is one’s of the if not the best setups for 380 I have seen for self defense
I have the Xtreme Defender ammo in .380 ACP from Underwood Ammo and the box says the muzzle velocity is 1,300 fps. I’ve also bought them directly from Lehigh Defense in the past (I switched to underwood for the nickel plated cases), and it was also around 1,300 fps (might have been 1,350). I think very highly of Massad, but I have no idea where he got the 1,100 fps from.
I suffered a extremely bad injury at work two years ago. Unfortunately it was in my dominant right shoulder. This has been a life changing event. All my rigs are naturally right handed. Before my first of three surgical procedures in the past two years. I went out and bought a ruger max 380. Its something i can carry in my left front pocket. I've only shot once in two years. The pain that goes into that shoulder. Even when shooting with my left hand. Is just to painful to go shooting. Its not what i want for protection. But right now its really my only option. 13 rounds of 380 is better than nothing. I also tried out a 38 special, and i do sometimes carry that. But the compression of the 38 just about brings me to my knees with pain in my shoulder. Hoping that adrenalin will get me through if i would ever have to use my gun in a defensive situation. Life is always changing for us all. This has been one of the hardest things I've ever had to go through. If not for my wonderful wife, i wouldn't have made it this far. More surgical procedures coming soon. Sometimes its not about what you want. Sometimes its about what your best option is.
Congrats. So what will you do when your .22 doesn't stop the guy full of adrenaline or drugs wielding knife? While the general idea of "stopping power" is a myth, energy transfer is very much real. A .22 isn't that fast and is incredibly light, meaning it imparts a small amount of energy on target. The more energy you dump into anything moving towards you, the more likely you are to stop it. There are guys out there that have been shot a dozen times center mass and will still keep going, being fueled by adrenaline and/or drugs. Yes a .22 can kill a mannthe same as a 9mm, but itnwont impart anywhere near as much energy. You really want to take that chance thst your shots don't drop him and now your being stabbed to death? Sure he may die anyways, but your sorry excuse of a self defense gun got you killed anyhow.
@@PilotTed I don’t expose myself to situations where I will be confronted by a doped up psycho… pretty open and shut. Plenty of testing and data to show it penetrates just fine. Stopping power is a myth, shot placement isn’t. You sound like a guy behind the gun counter at academy.
I like this guy a lot but I'm here to tell you, as a combat vet, dumping a clip of .380 into a fella at close range...that has bad intent...is plenty. Bath salts and PCP excluded.
I don't believe in mag-dumping. 1 or 2 good hits will lay anyone down... But to get 1 or 2 good hits you gotta be aiming AT the guy, not just spraying bullets wildly in his general direction hoping 1 or 2 might hit him (and not innocent bystanders). If you're mag-dumping you're not aiming.
@@ClosedCaskette There's always one douchenozzle.... My apologies, I've been out almost 30 years and yeah, my language has got a bit civilian. Now I'm going to finish my coffee and maybe empty some "clips" from my AR this morning.
@@ElvenJustice That's fine on a square range, but once a life threatening situation happens in the real world and adrenaline kicks in, that all goes flying right out the window.
Was a juror on a court case where a young man was shot and killed with a .380 Federal brand hollow-point. Round went through him and hit his spine, never expanded. Me and another juror, who also knew a good bit about firearms, were perplexed - it's good to finally have an answer.
If involved in a CIS, chances are you're not going to shoot once and be done with it. You're going to fire until the person goes down or turns around. Five rappid shots on target from any common caliber will probably end the situation.
This is why I have a 1911 45 acp. But I got selfish and installed the .460 rowland kit. Now I can load 460 R. 45 super and any variations of 45 acp. I can't wait for them to perfect the 460 rowland to the 2011 double stack.
My rig is the G29 w/ 4" Lone Wolf barrel, using Underwood ammo 9x25 Dillon loaded with the 90 gr Lehigh Xtreme Defender. In a 125 gr load the 9x25 Dillion exactly duplicates the full power .375 Magnum load of 1,700 fps and 800 ft.lbs of muzzle energy.
Remember people, the ammo you’re carrying in your weapon can get you in trouble with the law. A prosecutor can look at the bullet type and point to you as the aggressor, even if you were on the defensive.
I wonder if these people who feel that 12" penetration is optimum have ever gotten shot. I've been shot before, and IT HURTS!!!! Plus, most people I know aren't that much thicker that 12", so if they're skinny, that 12" penetration means that the bullet is going to go completely through the target, and might hit someone behind them who doesn't deserve it.
I believe that the 12" penetration spec is specifically a measure of depth in the gel. Its just a way to uniformly compare different rounds. It doesn't mean it will put a 12 inch deep cavity in a person, that will be dependent on many different factors, starting with clothing. Leather is more resistant than cotton.
I don't disagree with Massad here, he's not saying it isn't lethal but I do know that people have been killed with the .380 and it's really a short 9mm. Just like birdshot, you shouldn't underestimate it.
Massad is the king of self defence. This little talk is so very important. Absolutely right on. I have always thought something like this was important, but now I hear it by a pro. Yes. Thank you, Mas.
.22 is my home defenceman. I have killed 1500# steers with it. Super X soild tip Cooper. Chhances if it going through a wall and killing my family are slim. Nit like 12 gage or .556.
More than enough. Check out Paul Harrel, he does "realistic" testing on all sorts of rounds, including shooting through dry wall and such. He's an absolute treasure.
Depends on which one. Most .22lr has very inconsistent wound channels. It may work or it may not. And there is no way of for sure making it work other than an oblique hit on the head. .22 magnum has a much more consistent wound channel. Its not as good as a .38 special. But, its surprisingly better than some other small calibers.
@@MA-lq6eb try shot placement when you’re being shot at and have you ever seen adrenaline police shoot people with nine mill all the fucking time and they shoot back unfazed you need something that’s going to rip muscle so that they can’t move not something that’s gonna do jack shit
Statistics show that .380 is around 20% more deadly than 9mm in gunfights, and no one knows exactly why, but I believe it is with less recoil, you get better follow up shot placement.
Yeah well everyone is hot on drugs when they’re in a gun fight do you know what adrenaline does you need something that’s going to rip muscle apart so they can’t move not a 22 that’s for rabbits
@@owen6033 You miss the fact that the vast majority of incidents resolve themselves without a shot being fired. Just producing a gun is enough to de-escalate the situation, meaning that even a .22 is sufficient for selfdefence before even considering wounding capacity.
@@Serahpin ya but a 9 does that and more so why gamble with your life by using a calibre that might kill them or just use a gun that will kill them or at least incapacitate them no matter where you shoot them
@@owen6033 As Paul Harrel (excellent youtuber and gun expert) has put it multiple times, it depends on what you can get. If you only have access to .38 then use it. Telling someone who can't use anything better than a .22 that he _shouldn't_ use it to defend himself because it's *not as good as* a 9mm is counterproductive. It's better than not having any gun at all. If I gave you the choice of going down a dark alley with either a .22 pistol or nothing at all, are you really going to forsake the gun because of it's small caliber?
It might not go twelve inches but it’s not like he’s gonna get up. If you fire seven rounds of .380 into something and it isn’t dead, it’s probably a dragon.
I once put a 380 point blank into the head of a deer that had been hit by a car and was laying on the ground kicking, that shot made the deer pick up speed and did nothing to stop it's agony 👍
A car hit 4 killing 1. I shot the other 3 in the head several times with either a 40 or 9. All 3 took a few shots to kill even after being hit and laying there. 1 I shot started going in circles after the first shot.
My wife is tiny af so her little lcp is comfortable and we'll concealed and will slow down a attacker while I pull out my 40 and finish the job lol. Ps she keeps these exact rounds It...
my philosophy for conceals has always been "if you can hide more ammo, it doesn't matter what kind." so I cc a suppressed .22, and carry about 100rnds.
When I got my first gun, I kept a magazine full of Lehigh Defense just for everyday carry. (I fired all the rest. 50ct) Kept 18. 17+1. Went to the range and accidently fired all of them. Lol. Haven't bought any since, but it's damn fine ammunition.
I have them exact rounds in my Kimber Compact Micro 1911 .380, it's my everyday carry as well as the full size Colt 1911 .45 ACP. Thanks for spreading the knowledge as usual and keep it coming
It might not always work. But I recall a pt i had working as a paramedic in the Detroit area. Work place violence yadda yadaa. But the victim was dead right there with a .380 to the chest. PD recovered the case and no exit wound noted. Yet he was dead before he hit the ground
The exact same round I'm carrying in my LCP Max. I hope I never have to try it out in a real life or death situation, but if I do it's good to know that it will get the job done.
Not if he's still talking about that FBI nonsense. .380 hollow points penetrate just as well as 9mm in living creatures. I've never been attacked by a block of ballistic gel.
I watch you every once in a while and it's very interesting. You do make a lot of good points. The technicalities of bullets is very interesting. But most of us are not wanting to get in a firefight. Because we do not shoot in that manner and do not practice enough in that manner. We would be at a great disadvantage in a firefight. I would like to hear you say something about a weapon used simply as a break of contact. In other words what is your view on pulling a weapon and using it as a break of contact.
When you are using a smaller size cartridge, bullet placement becomes paramount. I love my Ruger LCP Max for concealed carry and I feel confident carrying it.
12 inches the minimum penetration according to the FBI?
Damn man, now I feel inadequate
I've never had any complaints. In fact the girls all say I'm the perfect size.
I believe them because I can usually just feel the cervix when I'm all the way in.
Mine is as long as a tomcat’s tail. Of course, you have to start measuring from my asshole.
@@ElvenJustice Dude. This is a video about the .380 handgun round, and you're talking about your sexual function?
Wtf is wrong with you?
@ElvenJustice at the end of the day, technique wins out. Few women will actually finish with just PIV sex.
@@ElvenJustice
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Literally a pellet gun is better than carrying nothing.
Except when you shoot a pellet gun it’s pretty obvious it’s not a casing going off so trying to defend your self from and armed gun assailant with a CO2 pistol is just going to get you shot and with no chances of you neutralizing the threat so in that case its better to comply then it is to have a co2 pistol
Or flashlight
Mf out here thinking John Wick is after them 😂😂😂😂 “Babayaga”
@@jamesjones9207 damn the point of my comment really went over your head like a midget playing tetherball, didn't it?
@@jamesjones9207 yeah and they lose power very fast, I have a Glock 17 CO2 pistol and it loses power towards the end of the mag
@@jamesjones9207 but I think they're referring to a more powerful pellet gun
The most effective defensive firearm is the one you're most comfortable with.
No it's not
@@robertsauceda4757 yes it is
@@boingussjust cause your confident with a 22 does not make it as effective as a 9, don’t forget all the other possibilities that can make it even less affective too
@@boinguss no it's not, it's a fallacy that is said to make yourself feel better about what you bought and carry, there is no reason not to carry a caliber of at least 9mm nowadays, you have guns the size as .380s with a more dependable round. You cannot tell me the average person cannot handle 9mm to say "carry the firearm you're most comfortable with"
@Robert Sauceda I would rather see someone carry a .22 they are comfortable with than a 9mm that they don't handle effectively. No one in the history of ever, after having just been shot, said, "That was only a 22." Not everyone is comfortable with any level of recoil. Not everyone can effectively handle a 9mm. I personally carry a .45, but that doesn't mean that my 73 year old mother should.
So yes, the most effective personal defense firearm is the one you are most comfortable with.
Everyone wants to say a bullet is too small but those same people never want to get shot with it.
If the bullet is not supersonic and it doesnt hit a vital organ the enemy will continue to fight
@@deltashot5608 You willing to take the Pepsi challenge? See how much fight you have in you while leaking all over the place?
Didn’t think so.
I disagree with this arguement. No, of course no one wants to get shot with a .380 or .22 or whatever, but that doesn’t mean they’re effective enough. No one wants to get hit with a BB gun or paintball gun either, but those ain’t gonna stop a serious attacker, especially someone who’s intoxicated or unreasonably aggravated. Yes, a .380 is much better than nothing, but if you really want to put down the target then you need something more potent. Or a specialized spicy .380 load.
@@aucklandsadventures it takes 1 minute to lose consciousness from a femoral bleed. Even if theyre on the ground after being shot they will still be able to shoot at you. If it hits a vital organ they will drop dead and if the bullet is supersonic it will cause so much pain that they cant shoot back. Notice how when cops shoot someone they still reach for their gun and the cops have to keep shooting like in the nashville school shooting
Of course no one wants to get shot with anything, but adrenaline is so strong in gunfights you will continue to fight until your body physically cannot, look up any gunfight video and you’ll see it, humans are tough
I carry a .380 because I will carry it. Its very comfortable to carry everyday and you will forget that it is there. Have a 9mm and found myself leaving it at home because of the size and weight.
Simple as that! If you carry 9 mm, they will say “45 cal is much better!”… When you carry 45 cal, they will say “revolvers don’t jam”… Never ending circle of SALES! .380 is a lethal caliber, PERIOD!
You found what works for you, and that's the essence of it.
Everything in CC is a trade-off
@@ruslangelaev the largest bear ever killed was shot with a .22LR. All calibers can kill.
i carry a G21 .45 ACP
i’m also 6’5 315lbs just fits
In Canada we dont have guns for self defense a .380 isnt ideal but it's a heck of a lot more than nothing. I think in most situations it would be enough it's just if you are unlucky and run into a really scary bad guy and fail to incapacitate them. It's still enough to sting quite a bit
I remember an article. The writer stated that his wife had significant difficulty accurately shooting a semiautomatic pistol chambered for 9mm x 19mm cartridges, So he had her switch to a pistol chambered for the .380 cartridge. Her consistency and accuracy increased significantly. He stated that it was better that she was now accurately and consistently hitting targets from various shooting positions than it was for her to be carrying a pistol chambered for the more powerful 9mm X 19 mm cartridge.
She is probably afraid of the recoil, but training and practice can overcome these!
@@MarilynStangl
Nah.
Most important is how accurate you are even the best caliber won't do anything if you don't hit the target
The advice he gives is based on all other factors being equal.
If it’s big enough it’s don’t matter, I mean really big
Exactly. I don't believe in magdumping. 1 or 2 good hits will lay anyone down... But to get 1 or 2 good hits you gotta be aiming AT the guy, not just spraying bullets wildly in his general direction hoping 1 or 2 might hit him (and not innocent bystanders).
If you're mag-dumping you're not aiming.
@@ElvenJustice Tell that to modern law enforcement.
@@owensleigh4218 it does though, you don't want a really powerful round like a .50AE that will blow through the attacker and keep going
I could listen to this guy all day
Aw thanks man.
You’d learn nothing good
Yup
@@PH-fz9cj you are an idiot. Don’t comment on gun videos.
This guy is full of it and is very uninteresting
I wouldn’t normally question Massad but I’ve seen enough episodes of the first 48 to know the 380 works.
Yes, me too.
Same here!
Boomerz gotta boom. Dudes just wrong lately.
Hes been on a streak of fuddery lately
A solid hit with a .22 LR is much better than a loud miss with a .44 Magnum.
But that 44 will probably make them shit themselves and rethink their current occupation of being a loser lol
Or a 22 magnum 😅
@@silverload3622meanwhile you just shot little Tabitha in the house next door while she was playing with her dolls
I'll take my .380 any day of the week or my .22 My goal is to defend myself in within a ten to twenty yard distance. Not going to be aiming the length of football field with a .380 anyway. With that said I have tremendous amount of respect for this man.
I would argue that a 22 isn’t adequate for self defense, at least in a semi auto pistol. Too many jams or failures to fire
A double action 22 revolver would be better because if a round doesn’t go off you can keep pulling the trigger
True
@@bloopy6166 I’m a fan of the .22 TCM
@@bloopy6166 I’ve never had a misfire on a rimfire .22LR, never. Never fired one out of a pistol though just bolt action singles, mag fed, or mag fed semi auto rifles. How come there’s issues with semi auto pistols?
.22 mag is capable of self defence easily
The .380 caliber ( 9 mm short), particularly the Beretta pistol, is a adequate self defense weapon!!
You talking about the new Cheetah? First time I've ever big time wanted something in .380
@Aaron Dixon I owned a model 84 many years ago, it was absolutely 💯 👌 outstanding!! The fit and finish was awesome!! Smooth as silk, accuracy perfect.
And contrary to what Ayoob said in the video, the xtp loading in 380 will absolutely expand and penetrate past 12 in
in my opinion if you start poking holes into someone with anything they’re probably not gonna want to keep doing what they were doing
Exactly unless they are extremely determined to get you or all hyped up on some drug getting hit with a couple .22s or .38 is gonna scare someone off
You should write jokes professionally that had me laughing 💯 😂😊
FBI takes into account the shooting through multiple barriers of different material when it suggests 13 inches of penetration being the minimum for pistol caliber ballistics (for their standards and operations). In a one on one self defense scenario between attacker and defender, .380 ACP is more than enough caliber to get the job done. In fact, .380 ACP is known to overpenetrate in flesh targets. I personally would recommend hollow point defense ammo with reliable expansion such as Hornady Critical Defense in this case to avoid such a scenario and potential harm of a bystander.
I wouldnt doubt it overpens, because the low velocity it gets from the short barrels its usually fired from probably isnt enough for reliable expansion.
You lost your credibility when you stated hornady critical defense has reliable expansion
The single most important aspect is shot placement.
Statistics show that .380 is around 20% more deadly than 9mm in gunfights, and no one knows exactly why, but I believe it is with less recoil, you get better follow up shot placement.
@@brandonsballing826
I'd agree with that entirely. I've seen those stats myself.
Don't need a 12" depth for head or neck. .380 is fine up close. Luv my Colt Mustang.
@@brandonsballing826anecdotal probably. 9mm doesn’t have any recoil you can shoot it as fast as you can and hit all shots unless they’re mid-long-range but vast majority of shootouts are in close range
@@BETA00009
It's not anecdotal at all. It was an analysis of recorded instances of shootings and their outcomes. The .380 had more one shot stops than 9mm by a significant margin.
Just recently killed a hog with my Glock 42 chambered in 380 I was using sierra outdoors 95 grain jacked hollow point and broad side double lunged a 150 pound sal and flipped her on her back I always questioned how lethal 380 would be in a self defense or survival situation and I already liked caring that gun In particular but now I trust that that 380 with good shot placement is more then capable of protecting me
Thanks for sharing. That gives me a lot of confidence too. Yeah I definitely think .380 ACP will get the job done with good shot placement.
That’s interesting. I’m no expert, but I never had much faith in it. I’ll just stick with 9MM because of ammo availability👍🏻
My hesitancy comes from the “with good shot placement” part. You don’t know how good your shot placement is in a life or death situation until you’ve been there and done it already. Training is great but it’s impossible to know how effectively you can apply it when it counts until you’ve had to.
For that reason I’d much prefer a better cartridge, and if that means 6 more ounces and it’s in my waistband instead of my pocket, that trade is absolutely worth better odds of preserving my life.
@@CRD-hi6vkdon't get a .380 or if you have one already. Sell it.
What size was the hog and how close were you?
"FBI says..." From what we've seen for the past several years, the FBI doesn't have much credibility 😂.
You ain't lyin'.
A rare situation where both things can be true. Or a broken clock, some such.
I carry sig-v-crown 90 grain jhp elite defense. I only carry my .380rugerlcp as a "date night gun" or doctors visit or something under extreme concealment circumstances
fuck yeah. v-crown is all i carry. excellent
fuck yeah. v-crown is all i carry. excellent
Love my lcp. Great for those pesky gun free zones
@@Ryan-cx5zr gun free zones are fine as long as you have a gun permit. Talk to a gun lawyer he will explain. (But some places legally are just off-limits)
@@Horror_Film_Aficionado I’m sure there are some laws I don’t know but I know most of what pertains to me in my state. I’m in a constitutional carry state and still keep a valid permit. There are a few places I won’t carry but generally, if I’m not getting searched or going through a metal detector I’m gonna keep a gun on me regardless. It may get me imprisoned one day but keeping me and mine safe is priority
Guys… it’s not the size of the rounds, it’s how you place them!
You got it.
It's the SIZE TOO 🙄
That's what SHE said.
SORRY! SORRY! I HAD TO! I JUST HAD TO!
@@calanon534 lol good one.
@@blackticalmayhem8461 nah ur not killing whales
I’m not a big firearm guy. Don’t own any. Don’t get me wrong, I support the right to own and carry. But listening to this to guy is very addicting.
Get a firearm. They're important.
@@SansBinky
I’m a felon. Or I would.
@@MrMikecoats22 Antique then.
Any firearm made before 1898, not intended or redesigned for using rim fire or conventional center fire ignition with fixed ammunition. So, matchlock, percussion cap, muzzleloaders are not firearms.
Buy em', reload em, shoot em.
Become a gun nut.
Also, it is important to note that any firearm using fixed ammunition manufactured in or before 1898, for which ammunition is no longer manufactured in the United States and is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade. So .50-90 sharps,.32 Long Colt, .32 S&W, .32 S&W Long, .32-20 Winchester, .38 S&W, .38 Short Colt, .38 Long Colt, .38-40 Winchester, .44-40 Winchester, and .45 Colt but I could be wrong.
@@blaspemy5398
Wow. Thank you for this tip. I think I’ll actually take your advice and look into getting some of those.
How nice of you, thanks again.
I studied martial arts for many years & learned a basic lesson which applies to gun use as well:
The best defense is knowing when to cross the street!
If you can avoid conflict, there is little chance of losing a conflict - OR (very important) getting hurt in a conflict even if you are the victor. Stay away from places where conflict is likely! Learn to study your fellow humans so that you can spot a person looking for a fight before they spot you.
Don't go looking for trouble & learn to spot it & avoid it when it does come near.
If it is your job to look for trouble, learn to end it quickly before things go wrong because trouble always goes hand in hand with unpredictable chaos - another reason why it should be avoided.
TRUST NO ONE
Pearls of wisdom.
Not such an easy task when there are children involved! They usually have no situational awareness!
Exactly what is taught in concealed carry class.
An old saying I've always liked goes "If you wouldn't go there without a gun, don't go there with one either."
Good advice, and from what I’ve seen in dozens of ballistics tests, the most common .380 ACP barrel length is about 2.75”. I believe the .380 ACP is an effective round at up close and personal distances…the kind of distances that invoke the 21’ rule. Finding a JHP standard pressure round that can actually expand out of 2.75” barrel is a challenge…so the extreme defender loads make a lot of sense.
I do not want to be that close and personal.
An ex-FBI analyst combined data from over 4 million citizen involved shootings in the U.S. with the goal of finding the most effective pistol round. Not based on ballistics gel, or fps or anything else, but based solely on real life statistics from real life situations.
What he found was that most of these shootings followed a pattern of three 3's. That is that the confrontation happened within 3 yards of the target/perpetrator, there were 3 shots or less fired and the entire confrontation was ended or deescalate within 3 seconds. Based on this data he did not find one round to rule them all. He found a certain range of pistol calibers that had an exceptionally high success rate in their ability to stop a threat with 3 shots or less. Stop a threat could mean that threat was killed, wounded to the point that he/she was out of the fight or scared off. Of all the pistol rounds analyzed, which literally everything from .22short to .500 S&W magnum, he found that anything smaller than .380 (.32, .25 etc) had a significant drop in success with 3 shots or less. But everything bigger than .44 magnum had a high success rate with just one shot. And literally everything in between (.380, 9mm, 45, .357 etc) had the exact same success rate based on over 4 million examples with 3 shots or less.
Scientific proof that... .380 is literally just as good as 9mm or .40 or even .44 special. In real life .380 will very likely stop the threat with 3 shots or less just as good as anything bigger.
Ayoob is back to his mythical “one shot stop.” If it takes 3 shots from a .380 ACP and you have one that has that many shots you’re infinitely better off than someone who didn’t carry because it was inconvenient.
Question: 4 million examples. Where? There hasn’t been 1 million US war dead.
@@ExiledBulldawg the data went back to the 80's I believe. There are something like 400,000 citizen involved shootings each year. Not all of which result in a fatality. Remember "Stop" means threat dead/ threat wounded too badly to fight back/ threat scared off. 4 million examples of literally just people firing a gun in a defense situation
I wouldn't go so far as to say its as good as a 44 special. Depending on ammo the .380 doesn't expand reliably.
Plus, .44 special is used far more rarely than .380. So the .44 special has a much much much smaller sample size than .380. So I wouldn't consider that to be a scientific answer. The number of shootings with both cartridges, shot placement, etc would have to be equal. Good luck finding that in real life.
I'd add that barrel length also has a lot to do with it.
So I'd say its more suggestive than conclusive. There are a lot of other factors involved such as the amount of illegal drugs in the perp, their mental state and how lucky the defender got.
And there is one round to rule them all. Its called the 12 gauge LOL So close to always one shot stop and 100 percent lethal it doesn't matter. LOL
@@Wastelandman7000 yeah you're right. The statistics just prove that in real life situations .380 will stop the threat just as many times as .44spec will.
Obvious the 9mm is the most common handgun round in the u.s. so there are much more statistics involving 9mm than anything else, but according to the data out of the millions of times 9mm was used it stopped the threat something like 89% of the time. Out of all the thousands of times .44spec was used it stopped the threat 89.6% of the time. Of the tens of thousands of times .380 was used it stopped the threat 88% of the time. I'm roughly guestimating it, but that was the conclusion of the statistics was that everything from .380 to 44spec was within 1% of each other for success rates in stopping the threat with 3 shots or less.
And of course .380 is the weakest and smallest on that list but it was the smallest round to maintain the same success rate as everything else in that range.
Human bodies are soft and susceptible to death when there is a hole in them. Dead is dead. You're not more dead with a .45 caliber hole than you are with a .380 caliber hole. You're just dead. And I'm not saying that everyone should have a .380 I'm just saying that if you do carry a .380 you don't need to feel under-prepared or doubtful about it. The best preparation is practice and if you can use your .380 comfortably and competently then you're off to the races. Pick a gun, pick a cartridge, practice regularly and stay vigilant.
The ballistic technology these days is incredible!!! There design on what they consider “External Hollow Points” gives you the same if not better temp/perm wound cavity as a traditional hollow point plus the same penetration as an FMJ
.380 is highly underrated IMO......
Massad Ayoob is a national treasure!
380 TCX from Defiant Munitions may just change some minds about being inadequate.
Defiant makes some good ammo. I have a few magazines loaded with .223 TCX 62 grain for my truck gun, as well as a few mags of 62 grain green tips.
Yes it does 😉
@@HarborSite-7 appreciate your business mate
@@FraserDM thanks I’m gonna check out a box for my bodyguard
@@HarborSite-7 I have bought quite an assortment of calibers based upon its wicked expansion, am curious how far it will penetrate.
The only reason to carry .380 instead of 9mm is size, otherwise it’s just a shorter case
In Europe they call a .380 "9mm short".
It's not just a shorter case though. With a shorter case comes less powder, meaning lower velocity. You can defiantly make some spicy 380 with hotter loads that may. E on par with regular 9mm, but that is dangerous to shoot out of anything not rated for +P.
I imagine this falls under size, but the recoil in a micro 9 just sucks. 380 allows you to shoot a micro gun the same as a compact which I think is underrated. Perfect example is the p365. Spend a day shooting the 9mm vs the 380 and it’s crazy how much more accurate the average shooter is with the 380
Weight is really the number 1 reason. 380's are just much lighter than even small 9mms.
@@nomorerainbows nice pic, I approve.
Never have I ever heard in my whole life somebody say that their gun wasn't strong enough To take down the bad guy.
That’s called Survivorship bias. Of course you won’t hear from the man who’s bullet wasn’t powerful enough. He lost the fight!
All these comments are great. Unless you're willing to get shot by one to prove your point, I'll keep my 380 in my pocket. Hot summer days, shorts and a T-shirt. Nobody knows its there.
Meanwhile, I open carry anything from a 9, to a .45, to a .357, simply because I can and I love that I have the freedom to do so.
Ever heard of adrenaline that 380 isn’t going to do shit with someone with adrenaline you need some thing that’s going to drop them like 9 mm 40 and bigger
@@owen6033 Drop them? I'm guessing you're a "Stopping Power" believer.
It's bunk. It really is. The only thing that matters is either a hit to the central nervous system, or the heart. Those "drop them."
The only time "Stopping Power" matters, is if you're using something with greater than 8,000 joules of muzzle energy. That's shotgun slugs, larger Big Game rounds, and .50BMG. That's what's required to actually knock a person down. This is simple physics.
Anything else is poking holes, making leaks, and discouraging further assault. The size of the holes being related directly to the assailant's ability to remain conscious - but this isn't an immediate or fast process. Even a shot to the heart can give the wounded person a full sixty seconds of operable consciousness.
Optimum self defense ammunition should create the largest wound channel possible, to make the leak as voluminous as possible, to encourage rapid onset of shock and loss of consciousness. The .380ACP round is the same diameter as 9x19mm - .355 inch. With the correct bullet loadings, it can create similar wound channels.
The larger the bullet by total surface area, the greater the potential for larger wound channels. Hence why a 55-gr .223 REM round, yawing as it enters, makes for deadly wounds. If it splits and makes further wound channels, all the better - this increases the chance of a CNS hit or a hit to a very vital organ that leaks more than muscle or fat tissue. This also gets into things like cavitation, temporary wound channels, and the like.
But, to sum it up - .380ACP is sufficient to terminate humans, so is .32ACP, .22LR, and .25ACP, provided you hit correctly. While I personally would prefer (and do carry) a full-size handgun with 15+ capacity in 9mm, and 10+ in any larger caliber, I would not feel defenseless with a Walther PPK, provided I had a couple extra mags.
Will they do the job as fast as larger calibers? That depends on a lot of factors, but if you're loading standard .45ACP ball and advanced .380ACP loads designed to create larger wound channels, the results might surprise you, especially at self defense distances (less than 7 meters).
@@calanon534you are a target if you open carry, its just plain silly to do so.
@@owen6033seen plenty of people drop like a sack of stones after catching a few .380 rounds, you dont know what you are talking about.
If you aim center mass, most people arent 12in thick.
People aren't all soft tissue!
Its based on penetration into ballistic gel, not human bodies. Your torso slows bullets faster than ballistic gel.
@@redhoward11 no it doesnt
I think you need to look up American obesity statistics lol.
@joesmith3661 Ballistic Gel is all "soft tissue". The Human body has soft tissue as well as bones, bullets tend to stop faster when you shoot something solid, like a bone. It's common sense.
That's that hydrostatic shock coming in to play
As my father, a former para, would say: "I would rather face an idiot with a machine gun than a marksman with 23 bolt".
Your father was wise. Or worse, a .22magnum.
I meant 22 rimfire
@@Wastelandman7000 thank you kindly
DAMN a 380 at 1100fps from a 3.8in barrell is gonna be some serious report and recoil.😮. But I like the idea of creating a fluid displacement bullet that provides better penetration and the displacement will do the lethal damage.
This is where my journey started into the online gun community 11 years ago watching 380 ballistics gel comparisons between ammo loads and their consistency with 4 layers of denim canvas
380 with a small flash supressor and a good consistent load and right grain of projectile should be the most consistent "lady-gun" because the fear of the muscleflash and Bang makes the gun more contrsllosble for an onexperinced shooter like me (i dont live in a country where we can carry or even practice)
So the concept has to be a bit less about power, and more about finding a low entrance barrier for decent on target shooting with leat amount of practice
Shot placement is important too
I use Hornady critical defense, it shoots 1000 fps from my s&w bodyguard
With that voice this guy should do movie previews. "In a world..."
As a former marine and emt that’s seen many gunshot wounds g42 with federal Hst is one’s of the if not the best setups for 380 I have seen for self defense
Agreed. But I wouldn't want to be shot by anything. 22, 38, 380, or anything.
Ya and i don’t want to be stabbed by a 2 inch knife but it’s not really going to kill u
No one is carrying a 380 with a 3.8 inch barrel. It negates the reason why the 380 ACP cartridge was created, for compact concealed carry weapons.
Good catch! Yeah, that is the problem with this. Same as stats on 4" barrels for .38's when most carry guns are 2-3".
i carry a sw 380 ez with a 3.6 barrel. what you smokin? its a GREAT ccw
@@the_chomper Might as well step up to a man’s gun and get 9mm, 40 or 357 sig.
I carry a beretta 84BB with a 3.82” barrel so…
I have the Xtreme Defender ammo in .380 ACP from Underwood Ammo and the box says the muzzle velocity is 1,300 fps. I’ve also bought them directly from Lehigh Defense in the past (I switched to underwood for the nickel plated cases), and it was also around 1,300 fps (might have been 1,350). I think very highly of Massad, but I have no idea where he got the 1,100 fps from.
Massad speaks the truth. I carry .40 Underwood Extreme Defender. Because 9mm is simply not enough.
I suffered a extremely bad injury at work two years ago. Unfortunately it was in my dominant right shoulder. This has been a life changing event. All my rigs are naturally right handed. Before my first of three surgical procedures in the past two years. I went out and bought a ruger max 380. Its something i can carry in my left front pocket. I've only shot once in two years. The pain that goes into that shoulder. Even when shooting with my left hand. Is just to painful to go shooting. Its not what i want for protection. But right now its really my only option. 13 rounds of 380 is better than nothing. I also tried out a 38 special, and i do sometimes carry that. But the compression of the 38 just about brings me to my knees with pain in my shoulder. Hoping that adrenalin will get me through if i would ever have to use my gun in a defensive situation. Life is always changing for us all. This has been one of the hardest things I've ever had to go through. If not for my wonderful wife, i wouldn't have made it this far. More surgical procedures coming soon. Sometimes its not about what you want. Sometimes its about what your best option is.
I carry a .22, it’ll kill just fine. Thanks doc
Congrats. So what will you do when your .22 doesn't stop the guy full of adrenaline or drugs wielding knife? While the general idea of "stopping power" is a myth, energy transfer is very much real. A .22 isn't that fast and is incredibly light, meaning it imparts a small amount of energy on target. The more energy you dump into anything moving towards you, the more likely you are to stop it. There are guys out there that have been shot a dozen times center mass and will still keep going, being fueled by adrenaline and/or drugs. Yes a .22 can kill a mannthe same as a 9mm, but itnwont impart anywhere near as much energy. You really want to take that chance thst your shots don't drop him and now your being stabbed to death? Sure he may die anyways, but your sorry excuse of a self defense gun got you killed anyhow.
@@PilotTed I don’t expose myself to situations where I will be confronted by a doped up psycho… pretty open and shut. Plenty of testing and data to show it penetrates just fine. Stopping power is a myth, shot placement isn’t. You sound like a guy behind the gun counter at academy.
I like this guy a lot but I'm here to tell you, as a combat vet, dumping a clip of .380 into a fella at close range...that has bad intent...is plenty. Bath salts and PCP excluded.
I don't believe in mag-dumping. 1 or 2 good hits will lay anyone down... But to get 1 or 2 good hits you gotta be aiming AT the guy, not just spraying bullets wildly in his general direction hoping 1 or 2 might hit him (and not innocent bystanders).
If you're mag-dumping you're not aiming.
@@ElvenJustice just like a fist fight. Don't stop hitting until I'm sure they won't get up.
As a combat vet you had access to a .380 that accepted a “clip”? That is just magical. Clips are for watching and magazines are for reading
@@ClosedCaskette There's always one douchenozzle.... My apologies, I've been out almost 30 years and yeah, my language has got a bit civilian. Now I'm going to finish my coffee and maybe empty some "clips" from my AR this morning.
@@ElvenJustice That's fine on a square range, but once a life threatening situation happens in the real world and adrenaline kicks in, that all goes flying right out the window.
Such a diplomatic answer
Was a juror on a court case where a young man was shot and killed with a .380 Federal brand hollow-point. Round went through him and hit his spine, never expanded. Me and another juror, who also knew a good bit about firearms, were perplexed - it's good to finally have an answer.
Love listening to this guy. He not only knows his shit, his voice is awesome!
His lecture on " judicious use of deadly force" is a classic
If involved in a CIS, chances are you're not going to shoot once and be done with it. You're going to fire until the person goes down or turns around. Five rappid shots on target from any common caliber will probably end the situation.
This is why I have a 1911 45 acp. But I got selfish and installed the .460 rowland kit. Now I can load 460 R. 45 super and any variations of 45 acp. I can't wait for them to perfect the 460 rowland to the 2011 double stack.
Keyboard warrior.
My rig is the G29 w/ 4" Lone Wolf barrel, using Underwood ammo 9x25 Dillon loaded with the 90 gr Lehigh Xtreme Defender.
In a 125 gr load the 9x25 Dillion exactly duplicates the full power .375 Magnum load of 1,700 fps and 800 ft.lbs of muzzle energy.
Remember people, the ammo you’re carrying in your weapon can get you in trouble with the law. A prosecutor can look at the bullet type and point to you as the aggressor, even if you were on the defensive.
Ive seen 30/30 bounce off a boars skull its all relative.
Sure you did Rambo besides not everyone is expecting to run into wild boars when they go down to the Kwik-E-Mart
@@c.h.u.d Do you always refer to real life situation’s referring it to fake Hollywood productions?
I wonder if these people who feel that 12" penetration is optimum have ever gotten shot. I've been shot before, and IT HURTS!!!! Plus, most people I know aren't that much thicker that 12", so if they're skinny, that 12" penetration means that the bullet is going to go completely through the target, and might hit someone behind them who doesn't deserve it.
I believe that the 12" penetration spec is specifically a measure of depth in the gel.
Its just a way to uniformly compare different rounds.
It doesn't mean it will put a 12 inch deep cavity in a person, that will be dependent on many different factors, starting with clothing. Leather is more resistant than cotton.
Love this guy i wanna go to his Thanksgiving and just hear knowledge
His hair looks so healthy and vibrant.
Don't be a putz
To rid yourself of annoyance, just use a 308.
I don't disagree with Massad here, he's not saying it isn't lethal but I do know that people have been killed with the .380 and it's really a short 9mm.
Just like birdshot, you shouldn't underestimate it.
Massad is the king of self defence. This little talk is so very important. Absolutely right on. I have always thought something like this was important, but now I hear it by a pro. Yes. Thank you, Mas.
I could listen to this man talk about firearms quite literally all day long.
Can yo share your opinion on 22 calibers please
.22 is my home defenceman. I have killed 1500# steers with it. Super X soild tip Cooper. Chhances if it going through a wall and killing my family are slim. Nit like 12 gage or .556.
.22 are for plinking rats.
More than enough. Check out Paul Harrel, he does "realistic" testing on all sorts of rounds, including shooting through dry wall and such. He's an absolute treasure.
Get a 5.7 from palmetto state armory.
Depends on which one. Most .22lr has very inconsistent wound channels. It may work or it may not. And there is no way of for sure making it work other than an oblique hit on the head.
.22 magnum has a much more consistent wound channel. Its not as good as a .38 special. But, its surprisingly better than some other small calibers.
.380 4 lug penetrators are legitimate defense rounds. Thanks again for the wisdom Mr. Ayoob
Full-auto M-11 in .380, is a man stopper.
"Fuck! He shot me!"
....
"Naw, nevermind. He hit me with a 380. I'm all good"
I know...lol😂...Ridiculous! It's about shot placement...Period!
@@MA-lq6eb try shot placement when you’re being shot at and have you ever seen adrenaline police shoot people with nine mill all the fucking time and they shoot back unfazed you need something that’s going to rip muscle so that they can’t move not something that’s gonna do jack shit
With adrenaline, they probably will be all good and then shoot you
@@owen6033
Doubt it. .380 has ended many men.
I carry a small S&W .380
Idc who you are, you dont want to get shot by that thing
With adrenaline they wouldn’t even feel it and they they will just kill you
Statistics show that .380 is around 20% more deadly than 9mm in gunfights, and no one knows exactly why, but I believe it is with less recoil, you get better follow up shot placement.
I love how there's always an optimal performance result depending on how you arrange the parameters.
.22 is enough for self defense. Unless they're hopped on drugs, any firearm capable of putting holes into a person is sufficient.
.22 really shouldn't be underestimated
Yeah well everyone is hot on drugs when they’re in a gun fight do you know what adrenaline does you need something that’s going to rip muscle apart so they can’t move not a 22 that’s for rabbits
@@owen6033 You miss the fact that the vast majority of incidents resolve themselves without a shot being fired. Just producing a gun is enough to de-escalate the situation, meaning that even a .22 is sufficient for selfdefence before even considering wounding capacity.
@@Serahpin ya but a 9 does that and more so why gamble with your life by using a calibre that might kill them or just use a gun that will kill them or at least incapacitate them no matter where you shoot them
@@owen6033 As Paul Harrel (excellent youtuber and gun expert) has put it multiple times, it depends on what you can get. If you only have access to .38 then use it.
Telling someone who can't use anything better than a .22 that he _shouldn't_ use it to defend himself because it's *not as good as* a 9mm is counterproductive. It's better than not having any gun at all.
If I gave you the choice of going down a dark alley with either a .22 pistol or nothing at all, are you really going to forsake the gun because of it's small caliber?
It might not go twelve inches but it’s not like he’s gonna get up.
If you fire seven rounds of .380 into something and it isn’t dead, it’s probably a dragon.
They said the same thing about the 38 special but if you use wad cutters it really doesn't matter they will make a nice hole in most things.
I use Hornady critical defense FTX
But didn't James Bond 007 carry one?? It always blew the bad guys away!
Yah and a 32.acp. Too. Lol. Both will FUCK something up
His was a Walther PPK 9mm
I know right it worked in the movies by the way Mario kicks ass
James Bond is dead......
Started on .25ACP and moved up to .380ACP PPK👍🏻
I once put a 380 point blank into the head of a deer that had been hit by a car and was laying on the ground kicking, that shot made the deer pick up speed and did nothing to stop it's agony 👍
Meth deers are getting more common
@@357SWAGNUM_MAGA_X It's very possible as it was that kind of neighborhood!!!!
A car hit 4 killing 1. I shot the other 3 in the head several times with either a 40 or 9. All 3 took a few shots to kill even after being hit and laying there. 1 I shot started going in circles after the first shot.
A buddy of mine shot a target on a large oak tree. The .380 bullet bounced off and hit him in the forehead. True story..
@@brianhoxworth3881 I guess you could say your Buddy is "HARD HEADED", LOL 👍
Mr. Stool knows his stuff . Love listening to this man talk about guns.
wilson bought lehigh. That's why we have this commercial.
95 grain ball is as good as it gets out of a .380
You better look into that comment. Not hardly
In my .380 I have flat nose rounds.
You literally never want ball for handgun defensive purposes
I love this guy. He's a psychotic.
He's stone cold sober
How?
Hahahahaha Mr. Ayoob is a legend
Yes, he's a cop.
Currently running Fort Scott TUI I’m not worried about over penetration with a .380.
I have this ammo for 9mm but haven’t fired it yet. Looks like it could create a feeding issue. I won’t trust it until I can run some.
It diesnt. You'll be fine.
Just make sure it's ribbed for his and her pleasure.
This guy was a voice-over professional in a previous life
My wife is tiny af so her little lcp is comfortable and we'll concealed and will slow down a attacker while I pull out my 40 and finish the job lol. Ps she keeps these exact rounds It...
my philosophy for conceals has always been "if you can hide more ammo, it doesn't matter what kind." so I cc a suppressed .22, and carry about 100rnds.
Solid advice. Pocket .380 for the win baby
When I got my first gun, I kept a magazine full of Lehigh Defense just for everyday carry. (I fired all the rest. 50ct)
Kept 18. 17+1. Went to the range and accidently fired all of them. Lol. Haven't bought any since, but it's damn fine ammunition.
Instead of sticking to opinions, he sticks with facts and options.
I have them exact rounds in my Kimber Compact Micro 1911 .380, it's my everyday carry as well as the full size Colt 1911 .45 ACP. Thanks for spreading the knowledge as usual and keep it coming
A five shot 22 short double action revolver with an internal hammer is deadly in a point blank hand to hand struggle.
I do not own a gun, but his knowledge is impressive!!!!!!👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽. Congratulations, Sir, for giving educated advice!!!!👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
It might not always work. But I recall a pt i had working as a paramedic in the Detroit area. Work place violence yadda yadaa. But the victim was dead right there with a .380 to the chest. PD recovered the case and no exit wound noted. Yet he was dead before he hit the ground
The exact same round I'm carrying in my LCP Max. I hope I never have to try it out in a real life or death situation, but if I do it's good to know that it will get the job done.
This guy is a widely respected expert on firearms and has been for decades. He knows what he’s talking about.
Not if he's still talking about that FBI nonsense. .380 hollow points penetrate just as well as 9mm in living creatures. I've never been attacked by a block of ballistic gel.
The barrel has to be at least 3.8 inches. Now that’s a compact size. May as well carry a 9mm.
My little browning 1911 is paired with some sig v-crowns. I love that little pistol.
Agreed - pick the best ammunition that you can use.
Shot placement is also critical. For good shot placement you need lots of practice.
I watch you every once in a while and it's very interesting. You do make a lot of good points. The technicalities of bullets is very interesting. But most of us are not wanting to get in a firefight. Because we do not shoot in that manner and do not practice enough in that manner. We would be at a great disadvantage in a firefight. I would like to hear you say something about a weapon used simply as a break of contact. In other words what is your view on pulling a weapon and using it as a break of contact.
This man is in my opinion, the last word period.
When you are using a smaller size cartridge, bullet placement becomes paramount. I love my Ruger LCP Max for concealed carry and I feel confident carrying it.
Wise words, as always, from Mass!!!
I've been reading his articles in American Handgunner since the late 1980s ... and now I get to hear his voice
Lol