Why is EVERY project like this?!
Vložit
- čas přidán 25. 08. 2024
- Is it just me or are people less and less committed to a design than they have ever been? Clients hardly ever know what they want anymore and the project managers all seem to have a hard time locking them down to a layout by 60%. Some changes are so drastic like swapping out a warehouse for a production line, or GETTING an equipment layout at the 90% submission day. It's driving me nuts! Anyways, I'll get back to work...
If you want to join our community over on Patreon, check it out here:
patreon.com/Th...
We can chat over on the Discord Channel: / discord
🏁 For a 4 part Beginners Revit Series, check out this playlist: • Revit Beginners Series
📚 Brush up on some specific Revit Features with this playlist: • Electrical Revit Tutor...
🛠 For Designing and Engineering Topics, see this playlist: • Overviews
💻🎤 Equipment I use (Amazon affiliate links which I may get a tiny portion of sales, at no additional cost to you):
Main Camera - Sony A7C Full Frame Mirrorless Camera: amzn.to/3D1uCLJ
Camera Lens - Sony FE 20mm f1.8 G Full Fram Lens: amzn.to/3RVZzp1
Keyboard - Reddragon K556 RGB Mechanical Keyboard (brown switch): amzn.to/3qcz02G
Mouse - Logitech MX Ergo Wireless Trackball: amzn.to/3RAfV6Z
Desk Speaker - Creative Pebble 2.0: amzn.to/3BfymaZ
Desk Lamp - CeSunlight Clamp-on Desk Lamp: amzn.to/3qfmhMK
Meeting Mic - FiFINE Studio Condenser USB Microphone: amzn.to/3cKpiBP
Recording Mic - Zoom H6 amzn.to/3SGYbHe
Desk Clock/Wireless Charger: amzn.to/3QlGmvz
Mug Warmer for Coffee and Tea: amzn.to/3RD6WkP
Under Desk Rocking Footrest: amzn.to/3eqt0ku
TAGS
building information modeling course,building information modeling for dummies,building information modeling revit,revit mep 2021,revit mep basics,revit mep electrical,revit mep hvac,revit mep plumbing,revit mep tutorials,revit mep tutorials for beginners,revit mep tutorials for beginners 2020,revit text boxes,revit tutorials 2021,reviteer,revit 2022 tutorial,revit 2022,autodesk revit,revit mep 2022
Hey we have some exciting news! We are partnering up with MEP Guy to launch the most effective REVIT courses for MEP designers and engineers! Check out the Electrical course preview and sign up here: www.mepguy.com/electrical
As a special bonus, we're offering a free download of an Electrical Clearance family that anyone can use to designate a "no fly" zone or clearance zone that must be maintained in front of electrical equipment. Drop it anywhere you need folks to keep clear of zappy things!
Yeah, I totally feel your pain, my friend! Also a veteran in the electrical design field, I must say that it seems to be getting worse over time. My opinion about this is that over the years, our drafting tools have allowed changes to drawings/designs to be much easier to accomplish, so designers tend to "draw first" and "design second" - back in the hand-drafting days (dating myself, I know!) we use to do it the other way around - design/size before drawing, since modifying a drawing was much tougher to do. All I can recommend is, keep preaching to clients that we electrical designers are the last link in the chain (connecting everyone else's stuff) and need additional time after everyone else is done adding/changing. Maybe someday they will listen! Thanks for posting this video - needed to be said!
Just recently we had a client demand home runs and circuiting at the 30% review. When they couldn’t even tell me if the current layout will be final. 🤦🏻♂️ I play this game where I constantly provide only the absolute bare minimum until much later in design. It’s the only way to stay within budget these days.
I'm a 25 year electrical designer, I feel your pain and know the look on your face. It's always been that way, but you're probably right, the expectation from outside the MEP disciplines is probably higher. Good luck with this one, and great channel. Awesome to see some revit content that isn't architecture.
🎯🎯🎯 Electrical is always last to finish with design and producing documents. It can get annoying when a PM is asking, "So, you print your sheets yet or plan on soon?" ...like, I JUST got another updated schedule from HVAC and the Arch revised their RCP (again) yesterday that I need to react to, lol.
20 years as an electrical engineer....I tell all my new young engineers...welcome to the caboose!
I have been saying this ever since 2020..... things definitely changed and feel more stressful. I have been dealing with a lot of "Early Release Packages" ordering HVAC equipment at 60% CD or even electrical distribution at a DD stage!!!! Its just crazy! I'm glad I am not the only one feeling that way.
Our proposal for Concept phase now calls for electrical generator and distribution specifications as a deliverable. At CONCEPT phase!! I was outraged when the owner couldn’t tell me if this would be a manufacturing facility or research facility but they told me to size and order generators and switchboards. What is the square footage? TBD. What is the equipment going into the building? TBD. What is your clean room classification? TBD. Oh but you want a utility and gen size? Sure let me pull that out of my #%£€. 😅 it’s getting ridiculous
@@theelectricaldepartment That is just crazy!!! Where is this going to lead too???? Clients ordering generators before hiring engineers and telling engineers to make it work?!?! lol This does remind me of an old supervisor that loved to use "Gut Feeling" to size services..... he was before his time lol
Your spot on bro,keep going 🙌🏿
This is the way bro!! Part of our job! And we still love it. You are not alone! It's just the nature! My compliments for you and your team's great work!
An Electrical project Engineer on the other side of the world
The struggles and joys of the job 😅 glad to know we’re not alone in this insanity!
God i relate to you so much hahahaahahaha. I just started my new job as a CAD drawer and i hate how when i finish calculating my entire load. They either need to revise it for budgetary reasons or need to add more equipment when we are 20-40% done. Like i fully get your frustration
And it has to be done by this afternoon. I swear we throw out 80% of our work by the time they finish building the darn things.
@@theelectricaldepartment not to mention adapting these changes to the material specifications if it is affected at all...
Im sorry but I actually laughed out loud. This has been a heated topic in our office for as long as I remember (i’ve worked in the same place for 24 years doing, first elec. drafting, then design) and it never ever gets any better!
We’re always at the mercy of a) last minute architectural changes and b) mechanical/plumbing dragging their feet. Its not fair. But you learn to deal with it. How many of you have had to work 24hrs or more straight thru to get a job out on time? I’m sure i’m not the only one. And when electrical is still plugging away at 4am, are there any mech. ppl there too? No. 🤦🏼♀️ I feel your pain.
I once made a joke at 6pm as the mechanical engineer started packing up for the day. I’m like hey look we can finally get started! He gave me a guilty look as he walks by and drops off his equipment schedule and some chicken scratch of a floor plan showing where some things were moved to. Other times I had put enough notes to get us through permit and finish the actual design in the first addendum. This year I had a 7 building campus all go out at the same time. I don’t think I saw my kids for 4 days straight. Was terrible.
As an ME turned PM (turned freelance ;) ) yall get shafted constantly. Within MEP it's M > P > I&C > E. Maybe some things rearrange but electrical is always last, naturally. But to be frank, clients rarely care about elec in design reviews til like 90% - they wanna see where their big equipment is so they can space plan. It's almost assumed that electrical is right, for better or worse.
None of this is acceptable for the record, it just is what it is.
❤
I agree! The plumbing department is the worst! I'm as guilty as charged for doing things last minute and needing power. I guess the only tip I'd give you is get on the mechanical and plumbing department early in design. Make sure you give them a hard deadline to have all their equipment scheduled and located. As far as the progress schedule, I would just plan for the inevitable. Try to plan for changes and be ready for them. Architects and owners have FORCED us to design at the last minute. I've found the only way NOT to waste time is to work last minute. It's just a part of the changing tides in the AEC industry. Be prepared for the worst, because the worst is always coming lol. One last thing, as a MEP firm, you may be able to keep a strict "no background update policy without giving 2 weeks" for your firm to pick up changes. This isn't something you alone can enforce, but as a company it can be a valuable rule.
I always at least provide a place holder estimate of circuits for equipment and change in the future. Never get all you need when you need it.
Absolutely, in the beginning around 30% mark I aim for about 40% spare if I don’t have placeholders. Sometimes I get blindsided by multiple redundant compressor skids and each one can take two feeders at like 100A 480V. Or the one project dropped in another 800 ton chiller at the 90% mark 😩 had to add another ATS, upsize substation and what not between 90 and construction doc. It was a nightmare.
I feel your pain.
But I have a question of a completely different matter.
Have you ever considered tutoring Revit? Or maybe you know somebody who you can recommend? The area of the interest is the same as you specialty, electrical/MEP coordination/Electrical shops
I have thought about doing 1 on 1 tutoring but could not find a predicable schedule that I could promise anyone. Making these videos with real life topics that people ask me seemed to be the best approach for me to contribute what I can to the community. Honestly the best free tutor is yourself, an offline project and CZcams. Granted you have to know what questions to search for 😅 sometimes you just don’t know what you don’t know.
Tell me about it 🤦🏻♀️